| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Nobody: 9:48am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Life after death remains a mystery to man. |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Howitzer: 9:51am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:
How does believing in a person's death, burial and resurrection give you righteousness? that's the question you are not answering.
I didn't want to join in this conversation, and I still won't join,
I'll just keep observing and learning too..
But i thought to add this.
How does looking at a brozen serpent hung on a stick get you healed of a snake bite?
Foolishness, right?
Absurd, right?
But True.
The Preaching of the cross is foolishness to this world, but to us who have received the life of Christ, it is the wisdom of God..
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| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by gaventa: 10:09am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Bros you get sense I swear. Only you get sense. Thanks for this Hismasterpiece:
Jesus was God's sacrificial lamb which took away the sins of the world.
During the days of the old covenant, if someone sinned they were to sacrifice an animal, usually a lamb, goat or bull, and this sacrifice would cover their sin and secure God's forgiveness for a while, but when they sinned again, they would have to appease God's wrath by carrying out another sacrifice. Read Hebrews 9-11.
So, when Jesus hung on the cross as God's own sacrificial lamb for the sins of the entire world, He took upon God's judgment for sin and made salvation available to the whole world. His sacrifice doesn't just cover sins like the former covenant, but it takes sins away... All records of it for all who receive it.
Salvation entails righteousness, justification, forgiveness, health, peace with God, etc.
Jesus said, and all over the new testament it is reiterated that the only way to receive anything from God is by believing. He said that if anyone believes in Him, he is not condemned. John 3.
So, to answer your question, the death of Jesus doesn't make you righteous, but believing in the Gospel of Jesus (that He is the son of God, was crucified for your sins, and was resurrected to newline) is what makes you righteous in God's eyes. Romans 3. Romans 10.
The only righteousness that counts to God is His own Righteousness, the Righteousness of faith, that is, His Righteousness which is imputed to all who believe in Him. Romans 10.
Righteousness is simply being made right with God or being at peace with Him.
Satisfied? |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by fekolastic(m): 10:17am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Any soul that dies in sin will go to hell, the bible says the wages of SIN is death.
And also no man that sin can claim he knows Gods.It is only when we ask for forgiveness and forsake
our sins that he will forgive us and make us whole.
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? the answer is no.
Our salvation come with renewing our minds daily. 1 Like |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Nobody: 10:43am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Seetto:
But why will God sacrificed his only son for the sins of mofos the like of bobrisky and many more, by now Jesus will be highly disappointed for God putting him on that filthy cross to be disgracefully stripped unclad with unending floggings and castigation from people whom end up in the act of gay, prostitution, corruption, unending drug addict, rituals, fornication, adultery, homicide, murder, kidnapping, fraud, envy....etc. In essence you and I are not any better than any of those people. Therefore, the sacrifice was for all of mankind, because we're all infected with sin, no matter the degree to which everyone of us sins. |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Daejoyoung: 10:43am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Howitzer:
I didn't want to join in this conversation, and I still won't join,
I'll just keep observing and learning too..
But i thought to add this.
How does looking at a brozen serpent hung on a stick get you healed of a snake bite?
Foolishness, right?
Absurd, right?
But True.
The Preaching of the cross is foolishness to this world, but to us who have received the life of Christ, it is the wisdom of God..
Looking at a brozen serpent to heal you from a snake bite is not the problem here, the problem here is in what way does looking at it gives you healing. Mainstream christianity says you must believe the sacrifice happened, that God placed jesus there because he needs a kind of sacrifice and blood to take away our sins, so jesus was that sacrifice. The way many people understand this is false if you don't explain it properly to them. When the bible says look at the cross for your healing or paul says the preaching of the cross is foolishness they are not saying that jesus was a substitute for your sin so that if you believe this you become righteous.They are saying the cross is a stumbling block to jews because the jews cannot imagine that a powerful messaiah ( son of God) would be on a cross, and so they cannot believe that God also wants to be seen as a king in this way, as one who shares in the suffering of his people. The cross was foolishness to Greeks and Roman's because the Christians were saying jesus is the true ruler of the world recognized by God and seating at his right hand after death and not Augustus Ceaser who was a great conqueror who was worshipped as the son of God and as one who brought peace, this is foolishness to the gentiles because jesus did not attain status of power, instead he died as a slave and not just as a slave but a common criminal. In Exodus, the children of lsrael were told to look at a snake for their healing so they could understand that salvation of God comes from the most unlikely place even from one hung on a cursed tree.The message here is that there would come a time when the jews and the world would need the help of God and only in looking at jesus would they find it, but they wouldn't want to do that because he died on a tree( and cursed is anyone on a tree). But then they must observe and Learn the ways of God from this symbolic suffering if they want God's salvation and healing. 2 Likes |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Daejoyoung: 11:02am On Dec 22, 2019 |
The cross is challenging our worldview of what it means to be powerful and introducing us to how God sees power and status in this world, it is a challenge to our thought process in order to create a paradigm shift. This is why paul said the foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of man.
The preaching of the cross was foolishness in Paul's day because the cross was not a pleasant symbol, it was a means of Roman oppression and power which jesus turned upside down on it's head. People rejected christianity then because they couldn't understand how a true king in God's eyes would then suffer and die like the common people, even the worst criminals.
This is what the bible then means when it says that he bore our sins and shame, meaning that he was counted amongst the transgressors and was in every way made like all of his brethren even the least of them, as well as the greatest sinners amongst them, and there he was telling God to forgive them, loving them even unto death.
That is why till this day his blood speaks better things than that of Abel. His blood is not crying unto God for vengeance but for reconciliation of the world, for forgiveness of all even his wicked murderers. 1 Like |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Hismasterpiece(m): 11:24am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Seetto:
I am not judging bobrisky, he has already judged himself, I am afraid he became a bad influence to many young people, this your irrational thinking is the reason why things are getting out of hand. How does my thinking affect bobrisky?  |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Hismasterpiece(m): 11:25am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Seetto:
The fact that you see someone committing sins, you shouldn't speak against it so that you will not be termed hypocrite, I think you need serious flogging,
If you died and found yourself in hell fire, Jesus sacrifice on the cross is useless. Your point? |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Mummymahdi(f): 11:33am On Dec 22, 2019 |
jiggaz:
Christ Jesus destroyed Sin and redeemed us from the curse of the law. He disgraced the devil and made a mockery of him and his principalities thereby rendering them powerless. Then why do we still sin? Am confused ooi |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Mummymahdi(f): 11:35am On Dec 22, 2019 |
fekolastic:
Any soul that dies in sin will go to hell, the bible says the wages of SIN is death.
And also no man that sin can claim he knows Gods.It is only when we ask for forgiveness and forsake
our sins that he will forgive us and make us whole.
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? the answer is no.
Our salvation come with renewing our minds daily. Thats it |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by tunde4top(m): 12:02pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece:
You: Why did God allow His only son to dies for the world's sins?
Me: Because, Love! 
Hallelujah! Because our God is a just God. There is what we call "the law of procreation" in Genesis 1 and 2 which states that everything God creates will automatically recreate itself in its own likeness. But when Adam and Eve fell and earned the title of a sinner, they automatically subjected all humanity to that likeness based on the law of procreation. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinnedJohn 3:18 whoever believes not is condemned already. So before we were born, we already earned the title of a sinner and condenmed/judged to perish. Is that fair to?. Of course no. So because our God is a fair and just God. He applied the same principle through Jesus. Romans 5:17 (Good news Translation) For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:19 (Good news translation) And just as all people were made sinners as the result of the disobedience of one man, in the same way they will all be put right with God as the result of the obedience of the one man. (New King James version) For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His one begotten only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life" |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Successdude(m): 12:19pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
jiggaz:
What Happens When A Believer “Dies In Sin”. A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Really Is And What Jesus Did To It
A Bible Study by Prince Gabriel Okocha
One of the most common question I get asked after teaching on the wonderful gift of Salvation given to us in Christ is, “What if the believer dies in sin?”
The other formats the question usually comes in includes, “what will happen to a Christian who died in sin?”, “where will a Christian who died in sin go to?” Oftentimes, they usually expect me to say “Hell”.
While I am aware some people ask these questions with the intent of trapping you into saying something they will cherry-pick and use against you, I am also aware some do so out of the sincerity of heart, to learn the truth of God’s word. However, the question wouldn’t have even been an issue in the first place if we had taken some time to study what the Bible has to say concerning sin.
What does the Bible call sin?
There are two of them. Unfortunately, the first is where most people stop at. I implore you to not learn about the first alone but also pay enough attention to the second.
The first thing the Bible refers to as sin is wrongdoing or wrong acts. That is not rocket science. Nearly everyone knows this. The wrong acts here includes lying, cheating, stealing, idol worship, fornication etc. But that is not all there is to sin. As a matter of fact, these wrongdoings are better referred to as sins.
The second thing the Bible calls sin which is actually the main thing the sacrifice of Jesus dealt with on the cross, is the evil “nature” passed onto every man from Adam. This nature is the main thing that separated us from God, or you can say “killed us spiritually” since spiritual death is simply a separation from God. It qualified every man a sinner even without doing anything evil.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
The sin nature is what produces the sins (the wrong acts) we see present in the world. As long as a man has not received or accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for himself personally, this nature is still very much active in him. It can drive him to do anything, all manner of evil, without remorse. It is just his nature.
Apostle Paul explains it better like this;
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Did you notice in that verse 3 how he referred to us before encountering Christ as the Children of wrath by nature? He took time to explain that the reason we committed all manner of sins as in wrong acts, was because we had the nature of sin within us. As long as that nature was within us, we could do anything, anytime, anywhere.
Without minding what anyone would say or do.
In his prophetic explanation of the reason for Christ’s coming, John the Baptists tells us clearly “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1 :29)
What sin was he talking about? Lying, stealing or fornication? Not exactly.
He was referring to the root of sins which is sin itself, i.e the nature.
So how will Jesus take away that sin seeing that He was not born into it like every other man? How will take it away if he never had it in the first place?
On the cross Jesus willingly had His nature of righteousness stripped from Him and took upon Himself that sin nature and became “sin” or a “sinner” like every other man. Not by evil actions but by nature.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
In His death, he died bearing that sin nature in Himself for all who would believe and come to God through Him. He died and was buried with it. But in His resurrection, He resurrected a new man, with a new nature- the nature of righteousness.
This new nature of righteousness is automatically reproduced in all who receives it by Faith in His death, burial and resurrection for them. By receiving it through faith, they become qualified to be called Righteous men, even without doing any good thing at the moment. They become the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
So, the major thing the Bible refers to as sin in the Bible is the nature of sin. That is what makes a man a sinner before God. As long as you don’t have this nature any more through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus, you are not a sinner anymore. You may still do some bad stuffs occasionally, but that doesn’t make you a sinner again in God’s eyes.
In the same way, you can do all the good things in the world, help the poor, pray etc as many times as you lie. As long as you have not accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for yourself, you are not a righteous man. You are a sinner in God’s eyes. If you die that way, you will perish in Hell.
So what will happen to a Christian who dies in sin (nature)?
First the Christian can never die in that state seeing that His sin nature has been taken away by Jesus according John 1:29. He has a new nature in him which is the nature of righteousness. Also if he dies committing a sin (wrongdoing), apostle John tells us his fate.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
That scripture is not only valid when the Christian is alive, it is valid as long as the word of God is valid. That is forever, and ever , and ever! When the Christian is present on this earth or gone.
That is what the Bible teaches. Not that he will end up in Hell even after being born again in the image of God. There is no single scripture in the Bible that supports that notion that if a sinful believer dies, he will end up in hell. If that were to be the case then everyone will end up there since there are over 613 sins that we can consciously or unconsciously commit before dying. Saying we didn’t do any of it intentionally is not a valid excuse before God. Claiming ignorance does not also work with Him.
Our only hope is His words, His sacrifice and forgiveness. At all times.
Should we then take that as a license to go on sin rampage? God forbid! Apostle Paul tells us:
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him
He says “put off” all forms of wrongdoings. That is, stop them.
Why? Because you no longer have the “old man” which is the nature of sin in you. You now have the “new man” which is created in the image of God. In righteousness and true holiness.
So, for the man in Christ, the nature of sin has been dealt with once and for all, and his entire wrongdoings has been completely forgiven. This is the Gospel. This is what the Bible teaches.
I hope this blesses you! Glory to God
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That's How You People LEAD PEOPLE TO HELL ..... You don't read Revelations ? How can the bible tell us we shouldnt commit sin and same time telling us that commiting it doesn't change anything too ... Satan is using you people's funny preaching. There is no truth in this .... |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by BRASH: 12:24pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
So any body that does wrong is not a christian and there is no man that does no wrong. Therefore,according to u, everybody is a sinner including u, and there no christians since all christians do wrong ochibuogwu5:
Please can you explain these Scriptures in line with what you wrote here:
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, *Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever*: but the Son abideth ever. 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Look at verse-34 and verse-35 clearly.
John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: *he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness*, but shall have the light of life.
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, *Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.*
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in GOD ought himself also so to walk, even as Jesus walked.
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 3:9 *Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God*. 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Look closely more on verse-9
1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
"For the grace of God (His unmerited favor and blessing) has come forward (appeared) for the deliverance from sin and the eternal salvation for all mankind. It has trained us to reject and renounce all ungodliness (irreligion) and worldly (passionate) desires, to live discreet (temperate, self-controlled), upright, devout (spiritually whole) lives in this present world, Awaiting and looking for the [fulfillment, the realization of our] blessed hope, even the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One), Who gave Himself on our behalf that He might redeem us (purchase our freedom) from all iniquity and purify for Himself a people [to be peculiarly His own, people who are] eager and enthusiastic about [living a life that is good and filled with] beneficial deeds." (Titus 2: 11-14)
1 Corinthians 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that *He may abide with you for ever*
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Anybody who claims to be a Christian and dies in sin was never a Christian in the first place, You cannot have the seed of tomatoes(Christ Jesus Crucified) and be producing guava-fruit (sin whether as sin-nature or wrong-doing) just like Jesus declared in John 3:6 also check out
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is not a sinner.
If you are a Christian and you are still sinning, ask Jesus Christ Crucified now living in you, how can He be producing or allowing sin in your mortal-body since your old-man/flesh has died with Him on the Cross of Calvary and His new flesh(the new living way; Hebrews 10:19) is living inside your spirit, soul and body?
He will reveal to you whether He is actually the Lord in your life or you are just assuming!!!
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving *a kingdom(Christ Jesus Crucified)* which cannot be *moved(unshakable)*, let *us have grace*, whereby we may *serve God acceptably* with reverence and Godly fear: 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
"But the firm foundation of (laid by) God stands, sure and unshaken, bearing this seal (inscription): The Lord knows those who are His, and, Let everyone who names [himself by] the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ Crucified) give up all iniquity and stand aloof from it." (2 Timothy 2:19)
"And this is why I am suffering as I do. Still I am not ashamed, for I know (perceive, have knowledge of, and am acquainted with) Him Whom I have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on), and *I am [positively] persuaded that He is able to guard and keep* that which has been entrusted to me and which I have committed [to Him] *until that day*." (2 Timothy 1:12)
Great Grace Brethren!!! 1 Like |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Hismasterpiece(m): 12:32pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
tunde4top:
Because our God is a just God.
There is what we call "the law of procreation" in Genesis 1 and 2 which states that everything God creates will automatically recreate itself in its likeness. But when Adam and Eve fell and earned the title of a sinner, they automatically subjected all humanity to that likeness based on the law of procreation.
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
John 3:18 whoever believes not is condemned already.
So before we were born, we already earned the title of a sinner and condenmed/judged to perish. Is that fair to you?.
So because our God is a fair and just God. He applied the same principle through Jesus.
Romans 5:19
(Good news translation)
And just as all people were made sinners as the result of the disobedience of one man, in the same way they will all be put right with God as the result of the obedience of the one man.
(New King James version)
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Clear?
Roger! Thanks. Enjoy your Sunday. |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by KingGBsky(m): 12:45pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:
l'm a seeker of truth and righteousness. Either you an atheist or you are confused. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal savior and see your life change for good. Your questions will be answered when you receive The Holy Spirit into your life. Have a good day. Another thing instead of asking questions that will lead to more questions all you need to do is ask the Holy Spirit who will direct and teach you all things. |
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| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Gallantrugged: 1:03pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
I pity Christians with their occultic beliefs... What a waste in life |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Gallantrugged: 1:04pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
I pity Christians with their occultic beliefs... What a waste in life and in the hereafter!!! |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Clinghton: 1:07pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
nice write up,
self- righteousness is being ignorant of our shortcoming. |
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| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by kareemkamil(m): 1:31pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
Keeping deceiving your self, Christianity isn't a religion |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Nobody: 1:56pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
There is a sin not unto death and there's is a sin unto death (1John5). The first one is the temptation we face like Peter. The second is iniquity (falsehood) and witchcraft. The brother will go to hell if its the second one. |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by pressplay411(m): 2:11pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
jiggaz:
Christ Jesus destroyed Sin and redeemed us from the curse of the law. He disgraced the devil and made a mockery of him and his principalities thereby rendering them powerless. True. Eternal salvation is genuine when we bear the fruits (evidences). -John the Baptist calls it the fruits of repentance. Luke 3:8 -Jesus calls it Fruit of the Vine. John 15:1-2 -Paul calls it Fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-23 |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by JADEK01(m): 2:27pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
jiggaz:
What Happens When A Believer “Dies In Sin”. A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Really Is And What Jesus Did To It
A Bible Study by Prince Gabriel Okocha
One of the most common question I get asked after teaching on the wonderful gift of Salvation given to us in Christ is, “What if the believer dies in sin?”
The other formats the question usually comes in includes, “what will happen to a Christian who died in sin?”, “where will a Christian who died in sin go to?” Oftentimes, they usually expect me to say “Hell”.
While I am aware some people ask these questions with the intent of trapping you into saying something they will cherry-pick and use against you, I am also aware some do so out of the sincerity of heart, to learn the truth of God’s word. However, the question wouldn’t have even been an issue in the first place if we had taken some time to study what the Bible has to say concerning sin.
What does the Bible call sin?
There are two of them. Unfortunately, the first is where most people stop at. I implore you to not learn about the first alone but also pay enough attention to the second.
The first thing the Bible refers to as sin is wrongdoing or wrong acts. That is not rocket science. Nearly everyone knows this. The wrong acts here includes lying, cheating, stealing, idol worship, fornication etc. But that is not all there is to sin. As a matter of fact, these wrongdoings are better referred to as sins.
The second thing the Bible calls sin which is actually the main thing the sacrifice of Jesus dealt with on the cross, is the evil “nature” passed onto every man from Adam. This nature is the main thing that separated us from God, or you can say “killed us spiritually” since spiritual death is simply a separation from God. It qualified every man a sinner even without doing anything evil.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
The sin nature is what produces the sins (the wrong acts) we see present in the world. As long as a man has not received or accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for himself personally, this nature is still very much active in him. It can drive him to do anything, all manner of evil, without remorse. It is just his nature.
Apostle Paul explains it better like this;
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Did you notice in that verse 3 how he referred to us before encountering Christ as the Children of wrath by nature? He took time to explain that the reason we committed all manner of sins as in wrong acts, was because we had the nature of sin within us. As long as that nature was within us, we could do anything, anytime, anywhere.
Without minding what anyone would say or do.
In his prophetic explanation of the reason for Christ’s coming, John the Baptists tells us clearly “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1 :29)
What sin was he talking about? Lying, stealing or fornication? Not exactly.
He was referring to the root of sins which is sin itself, i.e the nature.
So how will Jesus take away that sin seeing that He was not born into it like every other man? How will take it away if he never had it in the first place?
On the cross Jesus willingly had His nature of righteousness stripped from Him and took upon Himself that sin nature and became “sin” or a “sinner” like every other man. Not by evil actions but by nature.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
In His death, he died bearing that sin nature in Himself for all who would believe and come to God through Him. He died and was buried with it. But in His resurrection, He resurrected a new man, with a new nature- the nature of righteousness.
This new nature of righteousness is automatically reproduced in all who receives it by Faith in His death, burial and resurrection for them. By receiving it through faith, they become qualified to be called Righteous men, even without doing any good thing at the moment. They become the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
So, the major thing the Bible refers to as sin in the Bible is the nature of sin. That is what makes a man a sinner before God. As long as you don’t have this nature any more through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus, you are not a sinner anymore. You may still do some bad stuffs occasionally, but that doesn’t make you a sinner again in God’s eyes.
In the same way, you can do all the good things in the world, help the poor, pray etc as many times as you lie. As long as you have not accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for yourself, you are not a righteous man. You are a sinner in God’s eyes. If you die that way, you will perish in Hell.
So what will happen to a Christian who dies in sin (nature)?
First the Christian can never die in that state seeing that His sin nature has been taken away by Jesus according John 1:29. He has a new nature in him which is the nature of righteousness. Also if he dies committing a sin (wrongdoing), apostle John tells us his fate.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
That scripture is not only valid when the Christian is alive, it is valid as long as the word of God is valid. That is forever, and ever , and ever! When the Christian is present on this earth or gone.
That is what the Bible teaches. Not that he will end up in Hell even after being born again in the image of God. There is no single scripture in the Bible that supports that notion that if a sinful believer dies, he will end up in hell. If that were to be the case then everyone will end up there since there are over 613 sins that we can consciously or unconsciously commit before dying. Saying we didn’t do any of it intentionally is not a valid excuse before God. Claiming ignorance does not also work with Him.
Our only hope is His words, His sacrifice and forgiveness. At all times.
Should we then take that as a license to go on sin rampage? God forbid! Apostle Paul tells us:
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him
He says “put off” all forms of wrongdoings. That is, stop them.
Why? Because you no longer have the “old man” which is the nature of sin in you. You now have the “new man” which is created in the image of God. In righteousness and true holiness.
So, for the man in Christ, the nature of sin has been dealt with once and for all, and his entire wrongdoings has been completely forgiven. This is the Gospel. This is what the Bible teaches.
I hope this blesses you! Glory to God
https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/12/what-happens-when-believer-dies-in-sin.html?m=1
I give God all the glory for giving me grace to know Jesus Christ,my salvation is sure 1 Like |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Ostrogoth(m): 2:44pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:
Where did jesus say John 3v16 is his gospel? why do you take that as his gospel and not part of his teachings as well?
What about Mark 1v15.
And jesus said the time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand, repent and believe the gospel.
The gospel of jesus was the gospel about the kingdom of God, not specifically john 3v16.
jesus said we must forgive so that God would also forgive us, that was jesus teaching on how to receive forgiveness. John 6:28-29 says, "Then they said unto Him, 'What shall we do that we may work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said unto them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He sent.' " The gospel of the kingdom of God is also summarized into John 3:16 because there is no way you get into the kingdom of God without eternal Life which is a free gift of God according to John 3:16. Jesus taught those who were under the law, today if you are really saved and have the Spirit of Christ within you, you'll find that you forgive people no matter how angry you were. I personally have experienced this many times. I've found myself praying for safety and blessing for those who hate me most. The only commandment Christ gave us when He was going is the commandment of love (John13:34-35, John 15:12-17, 1 Corinthians chapter 13, etc). As the op has rightly pointed out, we live in righteousness by the nature and Spirit of God within us as pointed out in Romans 8. |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Omoslim26: 2:54pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:
How does believing in a person's death, burial and resurrection give you righteousness? that's the question you are not answering. firstly the original plan of God for man is to have total swift nd direct fellowship with God bt sin breached that plan when you believe and accept Christ into your Life the life of Christ that was taking nd resurrected on the Cross comes into you nd kills off the sin nature in you you then receive the power to b called the son of God the greek word for righteousness is dikaios it means justified, right so when you believe and accept the work of Christ of God by faith you become swithed over to the original plan which makes you justified before God |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Ostrogoth(m): 2:57pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
Mummymahdi:
Then why do we still sin? Am confused ooi
We sin because even though we are saved, our minds have been programmed to think and therefore follow the old nature and that is why the Bible says we must renew our minds with the Word of God Romans 12vs2. Also to be carnally minded is death but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace (ROM 8v6). Death in this context means all that was characteristic of the old nature such as sin. The Bible tells us how to overcome sin though, please read and meditate on Romans 8 vs 10 to 11. Renewing the mind with the Word of God and by the Spirit of God is why you see new converts become more and more Spiritual as they grow older in Christ. |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by stave9ja(m): 2:59pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
I was afraid this might be one of those intentionally twisted teachings and it truly is
You started well and highlighted two kinds of sin
Bad deeds
Sinful nature
You explained the death on the cross in relations to sinful nature
Perfect and true
You now twisted the ending to favor your desires that because your have accepted the death in the cross, you are no more a sinner even if your are still committing bad deeds...... What a confusing conclusion
If your accept the cross, you must accept the way of life of him who died on the cross. Your must flee the appearance of evil. You must have a renewing of your mind, you must run the race with fear of God.....
Your conclusion states that a man who is sleeping with his neighbors wife, but who have confessed that he had accepted the cross will go to heaven and that is far lie from the pit of hell
BE NOT DECEIVED, THE WAGES OF SIN IS STILL DEATH, 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by biggy26: 3:06pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
Daejoyoung:
How did jesus take away your sin on the cross? Many Christians say jesus took away sin by dying on the cross meaning taking away the sinful nature, and you are of the belief that accepting this sacrifice in some strange automatic way removes that nature.
But how does it work? how does the cross remove the sinful nature? And why must you accept that this sacrifice took place in order to receive this gift of salvation? If you know how man inherited the sin nature, then you will understand how righteousness could be given or received. 1 Like |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by Myzzyfrazzy(m): 3:07pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
jiggaz:
What Happens When A Believer “Dies In Sin”. A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Really Is And What Jesus Did To It
A Bible Study by Prince Gabriel Okocha
One of the most common question I get asked after teaching on the wonderful gift of Salvation given to us in Christ is, “What if the believer dies in sin?”
The other formats the question usually comes in includes, “what will happen to a Christian who died in sin?”, “where will a Christian who died in sin go to?” Oftentimes, they usually expect me to say “Hell”.
While I am aware some people ask these questions with the intent of trapping you into saying something they will cherry-pick and use against you, I am also aware some do so out of the sincerity of heart, to learn the truth of God’s word. However, the question wouldn’t have even been an issue in the first place if we had taken some time to study what the Bible has to say concerning sin.
What does the Bible call sin?
There are two of them. Unfortunately, the first is where most people stop at. I implore you to not learn about the first alone but also pay enough attention to the second.
The first thing the Bible refers to as sin is wrongdoing or wrong acts. That is not rocket science. Nearly everyone knows this. The wrong acts here includes lying, cheating, stealing, idol worship, fornication etc. But that is not all there is to sin. As a matter of fact, these wrongdoings are better referred to as sins.
The second thing the Bible calls sin which is actually the main thing the sacrifice of Jesus dealt with on the cross, is the evil “nature” passed onto every man from Adam. This nature is the main thing that separated us from God, or you can say “killed us spiritually” since spiritual death is simply a separation from God. It qualified every man a sinner even without doing anything evil.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
The sin nature is what produces the sins (the wrong acts) we see present in the world. As long as a man has not received or accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for himself personally, this nature is still very much active in him. It can drive him to do anything, all manner of evil, without remorse. It is just his nature.
Apostle Paul explains it better like this;
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Did you notice in that verse 3 how he referred to us before encountering Christ as the Children of wrath by nature? He took time to explain that the reason we committed all manner of sins as in wrong acts, was because we had the nature of sin within us. As long as that nature was within us, we could do anything, anytime, anywhere.
Without minding what anyone would say or do.
In his prophetic explanation of the reason for Christ’s coming, John the Baptists tells us clearly “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1 :29)
What sin was he talking about? Lying, stealing or fornication? Not exactly.
He was referring to the root of sins which is sin itself, i.e the nature.
So how will Jesus take away that sin seeing that He was not born into it like every other man? How will take it away if he never had it in the first place?
On the cross Jesus willingly had His nature of righteousness stripped from Him and took upon Himself that sin nature and became “sin” or a “sinner” like every other man. Not by evil actions but by nature.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
In His death, he died bearing that sin nature in Himself for all who would believe and come to God through Him. He died and was buried with it. But in His resurrection, He resurrected a new man, with a new nature- the nature of righteousness.
This new nature of righteousness is automatically reproduced in all who receives it by Faith in His death, burial and resurrection for them. By receiving it through faith, they become qualified to be called Righteous men, even without doing any good thing at the moment. They become the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
So, the major thing the Bible refers to as sin in the Bible is the nature of sin. That is what makes a man a sinner before God. As long as you don’t have this nature any more through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus, you are not a sinner anymore. You may still do some bad stuffs occasionally, but that doesn’t make you a sinner again in God’s eyes.
In the same way, you can do all the good things in the world, help the poor, pray etc as many times as you lie. As long as you have not accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for yourself, you are not a righteous man. You are a sinner in God’s eyes. If you die that way, you will perish in Hell.
So what will happen to a Christian who dies in sin (nature)?
First the Christian can never die in that state seeing that His sin nature has been taken away by Jesus according John 1:29. He has a new nature in him which is the nature of righteousness. Also if he dies committing a sin (wrongdoing), apostle John tells us his fate.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
That scripture is not only valid when the Christian is alive, it is valid as long as the word of God is valid. That is forever, and ever , and ever! When the Christian is present on this earth or gone.
That is what the Bible teaches. Not that he will end up in Hell even after being born again in the image of God. There is no single scripture in the Bible that supports that notion that if a sinful believer dies, he will end up in hell. If that were to be the case then everyone will end up there since there are over 613 sins that we can consciously or unconsciously commit before dying. Saying we didn’t do any of it intentionally is not a valid excuse before God. Claiming ignorance does not also work with Him.
Our only hope is His words, His sacrifice and forgiveness. At all times.
Should we then take that as a license to go on sin rampage? God forbid! Apostle Paul tells us:
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him
He says “put off” all forms of wrongdoings. That is, stop them.
Why? Because you no longer have the “old man” which is the nature of sin in you. You now have the “new man” which is created in the image of God. In righteousness and true holiness.
So, for the man in Christ, the nature of sin has been dealt with once and for all, and his entire wrongdoings has been completely forgiven. This is the Gospel. This is what the Bible teaches.
I hope this blesses you! Glory to God
https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/12/what-happens-when-believer-dies-in-sin.html?m=1
you said nothing about baptism jon 3:3 , mat 28:18_20, mark 16: 16 Act 2 38 act 8 act 16 romans 5: 4.. nice right up. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: What Happens When A Believer "Dies In Sin"? A Biblical Exposition Of What Sin Is by jiggaz(m): 3:21pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
JADEK01:
I give God all the glory for giving me grace to know Jesus Christ,my salvation is sure Amen |
