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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Correcto: 5:53pm On Dec 29, 2019
He does mannar water service, where is it in the bible? Pastor are beginning to think like they are god.
ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:cool. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 5:57pm On Dec 29, 2019
CSTR2:

If it doesn't work, I don't think it would spread.

It's not about what works. It's about doing what is right. Humans generally love revenge. So, if we lead them in that direction, they love it and will respond positively. The average Christian don't study.

When Moses struck the rock twice, water came out but he acted contrary to God's instruction. It worked but he couldn't enter the promise land. In the same way most of these fire for fire and enemy conscious believers never truly enter into the rest of God. They keep fighting one perceived enemy to another. This is not the life we have been called to live.

The Bible says that when our ways pleases God, our enemies will be at peace with us. King Solomon didn't have much battles to fight because his ways were pleasing to God.

Quit the fight and start celebrating your victory. Just bind the devil operating through these evil men and women and your life will be full of testimonies.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by helixmanager: 6:00pm On Dec 29, 2019
Mcuzy:
Make ona go sidon where contain ona . Who follow ona drag say dem nor born Jesus for December ? Over sabi tell us when dem born am na... December 25th is just a day we celebrate CHristmas to remind the world of the birth of a king

Your lord and personal savior was born by a woman? Human?
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nauttyprof(m): 6:02pm On Dec 29, 2019
Correcto:
He does mannar water service, where is it in the bible? Pastor are beginning to think like they are god.

He is referring to the water form of the Biblical manna the Israelites ate while on journey to promise land from slavery. What religion will cause in this country, only God Himself will help.

Not only the manna water, how about power must change hands? If he reads from the Bible, he should have realized that no power changes hands. Colossians 1:13 and Psalm 62:11 confirm this.

If power changes hands, is it from the Devil to God or God to Devil? He needs to also clarify this from the Bible.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 6:02pm On Dec 29, 2019
Correcto:
In other words, are you saying celebrating Jesus birth is a pegan custom? Where in the bible is 25th December marked as a day pegans do their celebration?

If you don't know the meaning of SINNER, know today that it simply means "those who have derailed from doing God's will"
That's why God sent Jesus to set a PERFECT path that will lead repentant SINNERS back to him to gain salvation!

Satan is constantly watching anyone who wants to live a godly life {Luke 4:13} he is ever ready to set an obstacle before us to mislead us {Revelation 12:9} and Jesus said he will not do anything out of his own initiative except as God instructed him. Are you wiser than Jesus (God's only begotten son) whom God sent to lead us to salvation?

So if Jesus or any other servant of God NEVER celebrated birthday as recorded for you and i to learn from their EXAMPLES, are you willing to REPENT(CHANGE)? undecided
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 6:03pm On Dec 29, 2019
Maximus69:


That's what you'll continue to experience when you refuse to ask the most important question "which ONE out of all these so called Churches is following the footsteps of the first century Christians?"

My own answer ~ JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

If you fail to present the one and only Christian group, then forget about whatever or however any religion operates.
As long as they claim to be Christians, my guy you must accept them as Christians no matter what they preach or teach! wink

Jehovah Witness. From frying pan to fire. That's the worst place to be. You don't believe in Jesus. Do you? If you do, why did you say he didn't resurrect bodily? What happened to his body? You just create confusion through false teachings and then try to cover it up with lies.

How did Jesus appear to his disciples if he didn't resurrect bodily? Thomas touched him. Oh you said he just materialized for that purpose. That means Jesus is a fraudster. He made Thomas to believe he is alive when truly he had no body. I don't get your doctrine. It's so full of shits and lies. Please no one should join this evil organization known as the Jehovah Witness.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Lush100(m): 6:03pm On Dec 29, 2019
that people use Christmas to perpetuate immorality does not mean that Christian do such on Christmas day.
Most Christians go to motherless baby homes or enjoy the day with their family members.
non-christians go to clubs, some do immoral parties and the likes, some peopel also decide to kill on such days.
therefore Christians will still make heaven if such happens.


englishmart:
If Jesus should come in the evening on Christmas day, only 17,000 Christians will make heaven. (that's if there's heaven o) The kind of immorality accompanied with the Christmas celebration is mind boggling.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 6:06pm On Dec 29, 2019
Ken4Christ:


Our Lord Jesus didn't differentiate one kind of enemy from the other. If you do that, you are adding to the scripture and you will be judged.

Your life is secured in Christ. If you try to kill them because you are afraid they will kill you first, then you don't trust in God's protection. But God is faithful and he is able to keep us from every evil works of darkness.

They can only kill you if you make yourself venerable by walking outside the will of God and also by living in fear.

They can't kill you. Your life is hid with God in Christ.
The enemy Jesus was talking about was definitely not your Mortal enemies.
He didn't need to differentiate before you know.
He was talking about your neighbours and people around you.
And how you must treat them right even if they wrong you.

Jesus was not talking about principalities and powers.
Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.

Yes, as a true Christian your life is secured in Christ, but you need to be able to fight.
The Bible says for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers.

That means there is a fighting going on in the realm of the spirit against principalities and powers by Christians.
It is not a child's play.
You need to be able to pronounce the curse of God on every power that is contrary to your destiny, just like apostle Paul did to bar Jesus.

and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.” And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand.
Acts 13:10-11

It was the same apostle Paul that wrote
Though I speak with the tongue of men and angels and have no charity, I am nothing.
Hebrew 11

Apostle Paul knows the difference, you don't.
Read your Bible well.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 6:07pm On Dec 29, 2019
goodlife4every1:

The same Bible says, suffereth not the witch to live... When the witch has refused to repent but keeps persecuting you and almost killing you, so what will you do ehhh?

That instruction was not addressed to you. The law was given to the Jews. The Jews couldn't keep it. Now Christ has abolished the Law and ushered in grace. The Church is not bound to the Law of Moses.

What we are commended to do now is to cast out devils. Jesus died for everybody including the witches. You don't have the moral right to kill anyone that Jesus died for. Otherwise God will require the blood at your hand.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Correcto: 6:11pm On Dec 29, 2019
Lol you didn't answer any of my questions. Please give a straight answer. Jesus never celebrate his death too.
Maximus69:


If you don't know the meaning of SINNER, know today that it simply means "those who have derailed from doing God's will"
That's why God sent Jesus to set a PERFECT path that will lead repentant SINNERS back to him to gain salvation!

Satan is constantly watching anyone who wants to live a godly life {Luke 4:13} he is ever ready to set an obstacle before us to mislead us {Revelation 12:9} and Jesus said he will not do anything out of his own initiative except as God instructed him. Are you wiser than Jesus (God's only begotten son) whom God sent to lead us to salvation?

So if Jesus or any other servant of God NEVER celebrated birthday as recorded for you and i to learn from their EXAMPLES, are you willing to REPENT(CHANGE)? undecided
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 6:13pm On Dec 29, 2019
The problem is that many Christians believe that God has changed.

They believe he is no longer the same God that answered by fire when Elijah asked asked him to rain fire on those soldiers that wanted him to come down.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Tchalz(m): 6:13pm On Dec 29, 2019
aimuan:
Jesus himself didn't celebrate his birthday,why do you chose to celebrate it?worse still on a wrong date.
Why did the Angel encourage the Shepherds to rejoice an d be exceedingly glad?

The wise men did not celebrate him by bringing gifts too?

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Mcuzy(m): 6:15pm On Dec 29, 2019
tuyi19:
so you don't see any other day to celebrate the birth of jesus except the day that was set aside for worshipping idol. if ths man said his ministry does not believe in it how does it affect those that are doing it?
no we didn't see any other day that is the best date ever because no one hears of the Roman sun god anymore he is forgotten . Why? Because Christmas overcame .
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 6:15pm On Dec 29, 2019
CSTR2:

The enemy Jesus was talking about was definitely not your Mortal enemies.
He didn't need to differentiate before you know.
He was talking about your neighbours and people around you.
And how you must treat them right even if they wrong you.

Jesus was not talking about principalities and powers.
Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.

Yes, as a true Christian your life is secured in Christ, but you need to be able to fight.
The Bible says for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers.

That means there is a fighting going on in the realm of the spirit against principalities and powers by Christians.
It is not a child's play.
You need to be able to pronounce the curse of God on every power that is contrary to your destiny, just like apostle Paul did to bar Jesus.

and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.” And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand.
Acts 13:10-11

It was the same apostle Paul that wrote
Though I speak with the tongue of men and angels and have no charity, I am nothing.
Hebrew 11

Apostle Paul knows the difference, you don't.
Read your Bible well.





Yes, we have evil powers to contend with. But you can't kill spirits. Spirits don't die otherwise Satan would have been long dead. But this excuse is a cover up. Most of these prayers are targeted on human enemies. They even mention if it's my mother, father, sister, uncle etc let them die.

There are biblical ways to deal with spiritual enemies. You can resist them in prayers. You can rebuke them with God's Word. You can cast them out if they are within your jurisdiction. And you can destroy their works. But you certainly can't kill them. Otherwise they would have ceased to exist. But it appears their numbers are increasing daily. So it's ignorance on rampage to attempt to kill them. And it is a murderous act if it is targeted on humans. And no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Mcuzy(m): 6:17pm On Dec 29, 2019
helixmanager:


Your lord and personal savior was born by a woman? Human?
Are u an atheist? Don't be offended by my Question I just want to know how to place my answer .
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by FemiEddy(m): 6:19pm On Dec 29, 2019
Maximus69:


Jesus FERVENTLY prayed o his father for TRUE Christians to become one big happy family of peace loving worshippers, shining before all the false religions initiated by Satan and his demons. John 17:20-23

Are you saying that Jesus' heartfelt prayer wasn't answered?

Jehovah's Witnesses have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they are God's people! smiley

I already told you the truth, except if you want me to lie now, but I wouldn't. Only God knows His People and it is not by earthly organization called church(The real Church is the body of christ). Don't forget, Our names would be written in the book of life, not book of churches, religions or anything. Who or what is Life? You know who the way, the truth and life is. More blessings.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 6:19pm On Dec 29, 2019
Ken4Christ:


It's not about what works. It's about doing what is right. Humans generally love revenge. So, if we lead them in that direction, they love it and will respond positively. The average Christian don't study.

When Moses struck the rock twice, water came out but he acted contrary to God's instruction. It worked but he couldn't enter the promise land. In the same way most of these fire for fire and enemy conscious believers never truly enter into the rest of God. They keep fighting one perceived enemy to another. This is not the life we have been called to live.

The Bible says that when our ways pleases God, our enemies will be at peace with us. King Solomon didn't have much battles to fight because his ways were pleasing to God.

Quit the fight and start celebrating your victory. Just bind the devil operating through these evil men and women and your life will be full of testimonies.
Peter ways pleased God, yet God had to kill Herod on his behalf otherwise he would have killed Peter.

Elijah's ways pleased God, yet God had to rain down fire on his enemies.

God answers prayers, not man.
You cannot be at peace with any power that wants you dead.


How can you be at peace with somebody that has determined that you will only make in life over his/her dead body and has gone fetish about it?
They don't want peace. They want you dead.

What would be the right thing to do?
Would you not ask the sword of God to cut off such power from the land of the living so that you can prosper?

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 6:26pm On Dec 29, 2019
Ken4Christ:


Yes, we have evil powers to contend with. But you can't kill spirits. Spirits don't die otherwise Satan would have been long dead. But this excuse is a cover up. Most of these prayers are targeted on human enemies. They even mention if it's my mother, father, sister, uncle etc let them die.

There are biblical ways to deal with spiritual enemies. You can resist them in prayers. You can rebuke them with God's Word. You can cast them out if they are within your jurisdiction. And you can destroy their works. But you certainly can't kill them. Otherwise they would have ceased to exist. But it appears their numbers are increasing daily. So it's ignorance on rampage to attempt to kill them. And it is a murderous act if it is targeted on humans. And no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
I just gave you a direct quote from the Bible and you are giving me what your pastor told you.

Apostle Paul pronounced the curse of God upon that sorcerer.
He said he would go blind and it happened.
That is how to resist. Paul was not apologetic to the sorcerer.
He didn't preach the gospel to him or pray.
He Pronouncef the raw curse of God.

Paul could have asked him to fall down dead and it would happen immediately.

And most of the prayers are not targeted at human enemies.

But If a human enemy decided to become an unrepentant Pharaoh to God's children, he could die by the judgement of God.

God can remove obstacles in any way. He can kill it, demote it, cripple it, immobilize it just like Paul did to bar Jesus, or render it irrelevant.

As far as you are concerned, that obstacle is dead.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 6:29pm On Dec 29, 2019
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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by DavidEsq(m): 6:32pm On Dec 29, 2019
MiddleDimension:


so tell us, please!
U have a phone. Do u hate knowledge so much that u use Google selectively?
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 6:33pm On Dec 29, 2019
Ken4Christ:


Jehovah Witness. From frying pan to fire. That's the worst place to be. You don't believe in Jesus. Do you? If you do, why did you say he didn't resurrect bodily? What happened to his body? You just create confusion through false teachings and then try to cover it up with lies.

How did Jesus appear to his disciples if he didn't resurrect bodily? Thomas touched him. Oh you said he just materialized for that purpose. That means Jesus is a fraudster. He made Thomas to believe he is alive when truly he had no body. I don't get your doctrine. It's so full of shits and lies. Please no one should join this evil organization known as the Jehovah Witness.

All teachings that has failed to produced good fruits are FALSE, and all forms that has produced fine fruits are from no other place but God says Jesus! Matthew 7:16-18

God's holy spirit has no other identity than the appearance of fine works! Galatians 5:22-23

So if you're contemplating condemning the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus said "first of all thoroughly meditate on the what has been achieved through their teachings"

You might actually be the one fighting against God {Act 5:39} as you can't point to any religious group performing better than Jehovah's Witnesses, yet you're giving yourself headache because of their interpretation that's yielding fine fruits throughout the earth, whereas all the religions teaching what you think is right failed to meet up with expectations!

Jesus prayed FERVENTLY to his father that his followers should be united in faith {John 17:20-23} so that the world can see the glory of Jesus as true Christians are unitedly producing the fruit of God's holy spirit! Matthew 5:14-16
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF~CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Satan quickly killed all the pioneers of true Christianity in the first century and falsehood set in, for almost 2,000 years it's the falsehood that Satan initiated that's been taught as Christianity.
So don't be surprise that for centuries past what all the religions claiming Christians taught failed to yield profitable fruits until Jehovah's Witnesses began making research to find the TRUTH and Jesus revealed himself to them, that's why they've been up and doing globally! smiley
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by lookingfly: 6:35pm On Dec 29, 2019
Godswillnwaoma:
Jehovah's witnesses have been saying this same thing since decade.....



Christmas did not originate from Christ, It has absolutely nothing to do with Christ Jesus. It is pegan feast.
is there anything in this world that doesn't have it's root from paganism? The days of the week are named after pagan gods lot's of other things. Christmas may have it's root from paganism but we celebrating now have replaced that with the birth of Jesus and we're celebrating our Lord and savior, so if you want to celebrate that's fine and if you don't, don't discourage others with your personal theology forcing them to obey for God has given everyone a free will.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by DavidEsq(m): 6:42pm On Dec 29, 2019
imam07:
we did not read where Jesus eat rice, drink coke, browse on internet. So tell me why you are eating rice, drinking, eating semo and browsing on your android phone.
People reason like fools. One of the reasons of celebrating d birth of Jesus is to show love to each others. Dec 25th is not a day to worship idols. Is is d day to remember d birth of Jesus christ. Anyone that is against d celebration of d birth of Jesus christ is an anti christ if u dont know.
So showing love is exclusively reserved for Christmas? If showing love to each other is done in this manner, then it is unscriptural:
Matthew 6:1-2:
Take care not to practice your righteousness in front of men to be noticed by them; otherwise you will have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens. 2 So when you make gifts of mercy, do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be glorified by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by DavidEsq(m): 6:46pm On Dec 29, 2019
edoairways:

Including observance of Sunday
U see, Jesus said that until we learn to have the (learning) mind of a child, we cannot see God's kingdom. Simple. No stress, no dragging, no matter how u beat about, there's no way around that. The scriptures further says that our "reasonableness should be seen by all men". Which means, if we are always right in our one eyes, rather than in a sincere sense, what are we? U know what.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 6:54pm On Dec 29, 2019
FemiEddy:

I already told you the truth, except if you want me to lie now, but I wouldn't. Only God knows His People and it is not by earthly organization called church(The real Church is the body of christ). Don't forget, Our names would be written in the book of life, not book of churches, religions or anything. Who or what is Life? You know who the way, the truth and life is. More blessings.

Don't be deceived my friend!

God's word quantify what you're saying as the tradition (teachings) of men!
Note that people from all races will say the same thing by telling you "God will not destroy good people simply because they don't know anything about Jesus of Nazareth"

According to Jesus himself,

His true followers will take his message to all the corners of the earth with zeal! Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20

All other religionists will continue to antagonize them! Matthew 10:22-25, John 17:14-16

They will become recognizable by the LOVE in their midst! John 13:34-35

They will be glued together as one big happy family of peace loving worshippers! John 17:20-23

Jehovah's Witnesses are known throughout the world as the number one religion having amazing form of LOVE binding them together as one!

And don't forget what Apostle John said "God is LOVE" 1John 4:8

So with all these put together, i'm confidently telling you that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only Christian group in the world having LOVE(God) permeating their midst! smiley

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Iseoluwanii: 7:07pm On Dec 29, 2019
it's only an idol worshiper that will be concious of idol worshipping but as far as I am concerned me am celebrating Jesus Christ my Lord nd my King every time, everyday nd Dec 25th is one of d days. if u claim to celebrate Him everyday but not on Dec 25th then I think u need 'sense'...what the whole world knows about Christmas is celebration of Christ. indirectly u people are magnifying d u sun idol because until now it is not in our conciousness but now u're planting d evil seed in people's mind about Christmas nd u think u're preaching d gospel abi..wht me I knw be say Christmas is for my Lord nd my saviour JESUS CHRIST nd no heretical nd demonic pastor can change my mind on that
To hell wt u nd ur 'senseless' pastor. Awon confused set of people
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by archipelago: 7:11pm On Dec 29, 2019
some people are ignorantly believing that December 25 is set aside for pagan to worship their God's. who gave the pagan the date? was the date not chosen by pagans? Does that means worshiping and remembering the birth of Christ on that date means worshiping Satan? Worldly can people have chosen the date, so I can not worship or celebrate my own God that date. This is nonsense. Also, because the Jehova Witness gave been saying it for decades, thus that make their asertions of the date to be right? Jesus was born one day/date so I have decided to celebrate Him on December 25 does not make me a sinner. I am honoring Him period.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by tomju(m): 7:12pm On Dec 29, 2019
shuttox:
Jehovah witness have been emphasizing on this for years
Finally, the world is having sense!! For Decades, Jehovah's Witnesses have been hammering on this but no one listened.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-christmas/
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by HARYOMIDE1994: 7:20pm On Dec 29, 2019
ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:cool. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.

What a nice explanation! Nevertheless, is Sunday the right day for sabbath? I wonder how some set of people will claim to be Christians and find all means to select what suits them and neglect other rules. What a sentiment! We, Christians, opted for Sundays because of the massive turnout of people that worshipped the Sun. How will the bread (akara) get to the turn of the toothless and turns to a bone?

It is known that Christ wasn't born in December but the Christendom have agreed to mark his birthday every 25th of December. Tell me the day when mothers were born, hence mothers' day. Or better still, tell me the day that Jesus died, hence Easter?

My brother, let's forget all these higgledy-piggledy discussion that will in no way, bring glory to the name of the Lord. Stop castigating other Christians that celebrate Christmas, let them enjoy their chicken, turkey, etc. in peace.

May the name of God Almighty be glorified.

Peace
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by tomju(m): 7:20pm On Dec 29, 2019
aimuan:
Jesus himself didn't celebrate his birthday,why do you chose to celebrate it?worse still on a wrong date.
What I am about to say is fuuny but true. If Jesus Christ were to come right now and say you know what Christians around the world, please d not celebrate Christmas its a pagan feast, I was not born on 25th December and I personally don't sanction such celebration. Some "Christians" will reply na lie o, we must celebrate am. We no gree. Owner of birth said celebrate my death instead but they will not listen. No wonder he called them wicked generation. Cruel world.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 7:21pm On Dec 29, 2019
tomju:

Finally, the world is having sense!! For Decades, Jehovah's Witnesses have been hammering on this but no one listened.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-christmas/

Soon all their religions will fail them, then they'll all unanimously turn against their respective religions to condemn their own religions completely.

That's when majority of them will start looking for Jehovah's Witnesses, but by then it will be too late for this crooked generation who are always demanding signs before listening to the TRUTH! Matthew 12:39, 16:4 smiley

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by SEMBID: 7:22pm On Dec 29, 2019
WHERE IS IT IN THE BIBLE?

Rev Fada Oluoma Replies Olukoya

I wanted to pretend I didn't read about the G. O who said 'Christmas' is not in the Bible and so shouldn't be celebrated. It's the same funny mentality of those who confuse terminology with theology. Easter as a term is not in the Bible but we celebrate easter because it's an event and a mystery recorded in scripture. Same with Christmas, it's not the term or calendar date we celebrate but the event and mystery. One day now someone will wake up tipsy on 'anointing' and tell me to tell him why I call myself a Catholic since that term doesn't exist in the Bible. Same folly can be extended to all churches because no church has a name that's used as a group of church members in the Bible. A Pentecostal church that says it doesn't celebrate Christmas bc the term doesn't exist in the Bible but calls itself a Pentecostal church is just a comic contradiction. Pentecost means 50th day, it was an agricultural feast that had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit until that particular year that the Holy Spirit fell on the apostles in Acts 2. Even after that there is no record in scripture that the Holy Spirit fell on other people on Pentecost day. If I wanted to be 'an anointed idiot' I would have been going round condemning Christians who identify as Pentecostals, quizzing them to show me where it's in the Bible that a group of believers were referred to as Pentecostals or to prove to me where any group of Christians celebrated Pentecost in the Bible. Yet common sense dictates that it's neither terminology nor semantics we identify as Pentecostal but the reality and mystery of the Holy Spirit. Whoever adjectivised SENSE with COMMON hasn't experienced this generation of WHERE IS IT IN THE BIBLE intoxicated Christians, common sense is very rare. The Bible is not a dictionary or history book, it's more of a theology than terminology. When you want to use the Bible to validate or invalidate any religious practice, you look for the biblical theology about it, not the terminology. Mothers day, fathers day, Children's day, etc are not in the Bible, but the Bible doesn't have anything against their celebration. It's only a religious ignoramus that will condemn those celebrations and get pious zombies to follow suit. If you care to know, there are many things we do in life that are not in the Bible and God isn't angry at all. Traditional marriage, village meetings, cross over vigils(these 'show me where it's in the Bible' folks who are addicted to 31st Dec Cross over vigil don't even know it's not in the Bible in their sense), birthday parties, wedding anniversaries etc are not in the Bible.
Finally, someone needs to tell Dr Olukoya that MFM has a football club, I've been searching for it in the Bible and couldn't find, abi no be MFM get that football club? Some nonsense must stop this 2019 o, let me come and be going.

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