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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:34pm On Feb 04
Peacefullove:


1. Yes according to the Bible

2. It is not physical , it's sown a physical body [ human ] and raised a Spiritual body . Says Paul at 1Cor 15:42 . So where did you get the notion of ressurection means giving some mythical Spirit of the dead an human/physical body ?

1. How many resurrection exist?

Rev 20:4: "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

For it looks like the remaining dead (unregenerated people) did not live until 1000 years

Rev 20:5:
"But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection."

2. Are these also resurrected with spiritual bodies?

3. And if they are raised a spiritual body, does that not prove finally that a person can exist without a physical body?

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 6:36pm On Feb 04
shadeyinka:


1. Do snails, fish, bacteria and protozoa have spirits knowing that they do not breath like mammals, reptiles and amphibians?

My submission again:
Every living thing has a soul.
Humans in addition to their Soul have their Spirit.


Psalm 104:29 is still there for you. Infact Ecc 3:19 says man and animals have the same spirit.

To burst your lies , Some translation uses breath but went ahead to indicate in their footnotes that it means *Spirit



Another question!
2. We know that angels and demons are not flesh and blood. Do these spirit beings have souls?

God himself have soul

Isaiah 42:1 Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;

I guess another entity lives inside God ?

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 6:42pm On Feb 04
shadeyinka:


1. How many resurrection exist?

Rev 20:4: "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

For it looks like the remaining dead (unregenerated people) did not live until 1000 years

Rev 20:5:
"But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection."

The rest of the dead include theifs, idol worshippers and all others . They definitely were not ressurected to heaven. . if you accept that , My point still stand that those who have the first ressurection didn't raise to collect a physical body . Ressurection there means from non living to living.

Not from living as spirit to living as flesh.

[ Please get that last line proper ]


2. Are these also resurrected with spiritual bodies?

But they are not in heaven. This further prove they never lived on as dead spirit after their death.

Spiritual body is for righteous ones.


3. And if they are raised a spiritual body, does that not prove finally that a person can exist without a physical body?

The underlined should have make you realize they never existed as spirit being before their ressurection.

U can't raise a living spirit as a spirit again.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:43pm On Feb 04
Peacefullove:


1. Yes according to the Bible

2. It is not physical , it's sown a physical body [ human ] and raised a Spiritual body . Says Paul at 1Cor 15:42 . So where did you get the notion of ressurection means giving some mythical Spirit of the dead an human/physical body ?


Do you think a spirit body can eat physical food?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 6:53pm On Feb 04
shadeyinka:


Why do you think only humans are LIVING SOULS?


Only humans ? I will prove it again that animals have spirits

Revelation 16:3 KJ

And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Are animals called Living souls or not ?

Thread carefully with lies

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 7:02pm On Feb 04
shadeyinka:

Do you think a spirit body can eat physical food?
Nope.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 7:15pm On Feb 04
Peacefullove:

Nope.


Suppose I give you examples: would that be sufficient to see that you have misconstrued the meaning of "spiritual body"?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 7:18pm On Feb 04
Peacefullove:



Only humans ? I will prove it again that animals have spirits

Revelation 16:3 KJ

And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Are animals called Living souls or not ?

Thread carefully with lies
Your problem is that you don't seem to know that a word can have more than one meaning:
Soul: could mean
1. Soul
2. Person
3. Being

In this contex, it is easy to see that "soul" means "being"

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 7:41pm On Feb 04
shadeyinka:

Interestingly, both the good and the evil, the righteous and the unrighteous will be ressurected.

The reason is because God had designed man to be a trinity of Body, Soul and Spirit and live as one eternally. Otherwise, if consciousness exists after death, there wouldn't be a need for another resurrection.

True

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 8:11pm On Feb 04
Peacefullove:


Psalm 104:29 is still there for you. Infact Ecc 3:19 says man and animals have the same spirit.

To burst your lies , Some translation uses breath but went ahead to indicate in their footnotes that it means *Spirit
Eccl 3:19:
"For that which happens [to] the sons of men also happens to beasts even one thing [happens] to them. As this [one] dies, so that [one] dies; yea, they all [have] one breath; so that a man has no advantage over a beast; for all [is] vanity."

Ps 104:29:
"You hide Your face, they [are] troubled; You take away their breath , they die and return to their dust."


You see what happens when a translation forces the scripture to say what their doctrinal position is?

So, how can man and animals have the same spirit? The scriptures say what made man unique: God breath His breath of life into man and he became a living soul.

But bacteria, fish, nematodes etc do not breath air? Yet they have souls?


Peacefullove:

God himself have soul

Isaiah 42:1 Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;

I guess another entity lives inside God ?
Of course God is a Spirit just like Angels, Demons and other spirits yet each one of them has a soul.

Therefore, what then is the difference between a Soul and a Spirit?

Your misunderstanding of this is the problem. If you can rightly answer the above, you'll be closer to a proper understanding
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 8:47pm On Feb 04
Peacefullove:


The rest of the dead include theifs, idol worshippers and all others . They definitely were not ressurected to heaven. . if you accept that , My point still stand that those who have the first ressurection didn't raise to collect a physical body . Ressurection there means from non living to living.

Not from living as spirit to living as flesh.

[ Please get that last line proper ]

I am particular about the resurrection of the ungodly. Do you agree that they had a physical resurrection?

So, how were they thrown into the lake of fire bodily or spiritually?
Rev 20:15:
"And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire."


Peacefullove:

But they are not in heaven. This further prove they never lived on as dead spirit after their death.

Spiritual body is for righteous ones.
The 1000 year reign of Christ: is it physical or Spiritual?

If it is spiritual, how come this scripture?
Rev 20:9:
"And they went up over the breadth of the earth and circled around the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of Heaven and devoured them."

Peacefullove:

The underlined should have make you realize they never existed as spirit being before their ressurection.

U can't raise a living spirit as a spirit again.

But don't you see that it makes perfect sense to raise a disembodied entity with physical body: such is raised from invisible to visible state of existence.


Now, when will this scripture be fulfilled. Before or after resurrection? Are we dealing with spiritual snakes here?
Isa 11:8:
"And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den."
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Maximus69: 10:32pm On Feb 04
blueAgent:


Where did I write that Heaven is the home of the righteous?

Have you ever been specific for once? cheesy

Since your Church has adopted the TRINITY, you've become a fugitive with no specific FAITH!

So can you give a better explanation about the destination of the righteous?

Because God created humans and said earth is their home {Psalms 115:16} and Jesus promised to take his friends to heaven {John 14:1-4} So Mr fugitive, present a better correlation between the two ideas if you're saying Jehovah's Witnesses aren't 100% correct. cheesy
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by budaatum: 12:28am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


Man has a physical being is a Flesh and Blood creature. In a statement of Yeshua he said To Peter Flesh and Blood did not reveal it to you which means no human reveal it to you .

So the same Bible says Flesh and Blood cannot inherit Kingdom of God, is the new heaven a Kingdom of God or not ? How will ressurection now mean giving dead people fresh body of flesh and blood to live in heaven?
Kill me die! grin grin Lol!

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by budaatum: 12:35am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

Otherwise, if consciousness exists after death, there wouldn't be a need for another resurrection.
Are you saying, 'if they did not die they would not resurrect'?

As in, "they would not resurrect if they did not die"?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 1:32am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:


I am particular about the resurrection of the ungodly. Do you agree that they had a physical resurrection?


I think you need to define what you mean by ressurection .



So, how were they thrown into the lake of fire bodily or spiritually?
Rev 20:15:
"And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire."


Lol, are you saying the lake of fire is on Earth ? The ungodly were actually ressurected to the earth !


The 1000 year reign of Christ: is it physical or Spiritual?

If it is spiritual, how come this scripture?
Rev 20:9:
"And they went up over the breadth of the earth and circled around the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of Heaven and devoured them."


On Earth ?


But don't you see that it makes perfect sense to raise a disembodied entity with physical body: such is raised from invisible to visible state of existence.


Now, when will this scripture be fulfilled. Before or after resurrection? Are we dealing with spiritual snakes here?
Isa 11:8:
"And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den."

You definitely need to define what you meant by ressurection! ...

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 1:37am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

Your problem is that you don't seem to know that a word can have more than one meaning:
Soul: could mean
1. Soul
2. Person
3. Being

In this contex, it is easy to see that "soul" means "being"

grin grin grin read the underlined and educate yourself on why animals have spirit too . Spirit in Man and animals is their breath. So spirit doesn't prove afterlife, same way animals having spirit doesn't mean they live on after death .


The 1. Is uncalled for , Soul can't mean Soul that's dubious and wrong . Just stop at 2 and 3. Apply it to everything else.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 1:43am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

Eccl 3:19:
"For that which happens [to] the sons of men also happens to beasts even one thing [happens] to them. As this [one] dies, so that [one] dies; yea, they all [have] one breath; so that a man has no advantage over a beast; for all [is] vanity."

Ps 104:29:
"You hide Your face, they [are] troubled; You take away their breath , they die and return to their dust."


You see what happens when a translation forces the scripture to say what their doctrinal position is?

So, how can man and animals have the same spirit? The scriptures say what made man unique: God breath His breath of life into man and he became a living soul.



But bacteria, fish, nematodes etc do not breath air? Yet they have souls?
Your point is dead on arrival, Many of those translation that uses " Breath " at Ecc 3:19 indicate " Spirit " in there footnotes. Such as NLT .


Ecclesiastes 3:19-21
New Living Translation (NLT)
19 For people and animals share the same fate—both breathe[a] and both must die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! 20 Both go to the same place—they came from dust and they return to dust. 21 For who can prove that the human spirit goes up and the spirit of animals goes down into the earth?

Footnotes:
3:19 Or both have the same spirit.



Concerning Psalm 104:29 , verse 30 speak of God's power in creation as breath too, do you now accept holy spirit is God's breath ?


You don't know shit!

Animals have breath of life too !!! Genesis 7 vs 22


u are back to your old ways of lying and dubiously making false assertion such as only man is living soul.



Of course God is a Spirit just like Angels, Demons and other spirits yet each one of them has a soul.

Therefore, what then is the difference between a Soul and a Spirit?

Your misunderstanding of this is the problem. If you can rightly answer the above, you'll be closer to a proper understanding

A Soul means a person not some mythical ghost within a person. If your imagination are correct, that means there is another entity living inside God and his angels.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 1:46am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:

Suppose I give you examples: would that be sufficient to see that you have misconstrued the meaning of "spiritual body"?

Are you not the same one wrestling scriptures when it clearly said animals have spirit. The same one who dubiously claim only man has breath of life and only man is a living soul.

Give examples first.

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Peacefullove: 1:51am On Feb 05
Shadeyinka . Psalm 104:30 says

" If you send out your breath, they are created,and you renew the face of the earth." .Complete Jewish Bible


The same word translated " breath " here is the same word at Psalm. 104:29 too, which you want to be breath

Do you accept holy spirit is God's breath used in creation ?

This will settle the point

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 5:22am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:
Shadeyinka . Psalm 104:30 says

" If you send out your breath, they are created,and you renew the face of the earth." .Complete Jewish Bible


The same word translated " breath " here is the same word at Psalm. 104:29 too, which you want to be breath

Do you accept holy spirit is God's breath used in creation ?

This will settle the point
By now, you should know that the approach of cherry picking scriptures which agree with your whims do not work.

God Himself is His Spirit!
Does God breathe in and out AIR?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 5:49am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:
Another question!
2. We know that angels and demons are not flesh and blood. Do these spirit beings have souls?
No, spirit beings do not have souls, lol.
Why do you think the devil and the fallen other celestial beings are irredeemable, hmm? They not able to be saved and/or get corrected because they lack a very important mechanism, lol.

Peacefullove:
Psalm 104:29 is still there for you. Infact Ecc 3:19 says man and animals have the same spirit.

To burst your lies, Some translation uses breath but went ahead to indicate in their footnotes that it means *Spirit

MuttleyLaff:
What point? Which point? You made no point, you have no point.

''"The spirit of God made or fashioned me; and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."
- Job 33:4

''This is what God the LORD says—He who created the heavens and stretched them out,
who spread out the earth and its offspring,
who gives breath to the people on it and life to those who walk in it:
"
- Isaiah 42:5

If it is true that God is uninterested, then it means that currently now you should and/or ought to be dead, and thats from God asking for His breath back from you. God is interested in you, which is why you're alive on earth, breathing in the land of the living. If not, then means, you by now should be six feet under, but you aren't yet six feet under, so indicates God's interest in you.

You know you're lying making that comment or merely just trying hard being ignorant. You know you wish and/or you expect, at the very least, to be alive, as in meaning, be alive and kicking here on obodo earth among and/or along with others on this land of the living

Doubt, is an unfortunate and uncomfortable condition to have ThothHermes. Peele. Ndo.
"Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward
and the spirit of the animal descends into the earth?
"
- Ecclesiastes 3:21

The difference is, man is made in the Godhead's image and likeness but animals are not. Ecclesiastes 3:21, debates if man's spirit goes up after death, and animals' go down into earth. The point is made that both have spirits, as in meaning, the breath of God respectively in them.

Peacefullove:
God Himself have soul
God doesnt have a soul, period.

Peacefullove:
Isaiah 42:1
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;

I guess another entity lives inside God ?
"“Here is My Servant, whom I uphold, My Chosen One, in whom My soul delights.
I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will bring justice to the nations.
"
- Isaiah 42:1

With the utmost respect, notice the distinction in Isaiah 42:1 above, that, soul has small lettercase "s" while Spirit has big lettercase "S". Assigning human qualities and physicalities to God, as in like, having hands, mouth, face, eyes, heart, soul etcetera (e.g. Jeremiah 32:41) doesnt mean God really has any of these same and direct physicalities.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 5:55am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


Are you not the same one wrestling scriptures when it clearly said animals have spirit. The same one who dubiously claim only man has breath of life and only man is a living soul.

Give examples first.
Your definition of "spirit body" with respect to resurrection is completely wrong for a spirit cannot eat physical food. I'll give you some examples

1. Jesus's body wasn't spiritual but physical
Luk 24:40-43:
"And when He had spoken this, He showed them [His] hands and feet. And while they still did not believe for joy, and wondered, He said to them, Have you any food here? And they handed to Him a piece of a broiled fish and of a honeycomb. And He took [it] and ate before them."

2. If Jesus body was spirit, Thomas wouldn't be able to thrust in in the wound on Jesus hands and sides
John 20:27:
"Then He said to Thomas, Reach your finger here and behold My hands; and reach your hand here and thrust [it] into My side ; and do not be unbelieving, but believing."

3. When is the Kingdom fulfilled and will Jesus eat and drink at the Passover then?
Luk 22:14-16:
"And when the hour came, He and the twelve apostles with Him reclined. And He said to them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer. For I say to you, I will not any more eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

Luk 22:18: "For I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God shall come."

4. Is this the the kind of Tree of life in Eden and is it physical or spiritual? Why would the nations eat of it?
Rev 22:2:
"In the midst of its street, and of the river, from here and from there, [was] the Tree of Life, which bore twelve fruits, each yielding its fruit according to one month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

Rev 2:7:
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the Tree of Life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

Rev 2:17:
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give to him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knows except he who receives [it]."

5. Is this after the resurrection? Are these Spiritual snakes, lions and babies?

Isa 11:6-9:
"Also the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the cub lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."

I hope that you have seen that resurrection is not just spiritual but physical. Your definition of spiritual body as referenced by

1Cor 15:42-44,50:
"So also the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory ; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power ; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body , and there is a spiritual body. … And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit [the] kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption."

The kind of body we'll have at resurrection is NOT this mortal body. It is a physical body that is NOT subject to corruption or limitations. It is an enhanced body like that of Christ at resurrection.

After Jesus's Resurrection:
He could be seen and touched
He could hold physical things
He could eat
He could speak audibly
AND YET
He could appear and vanish
He could rise/float up into the sky

As Jesus was at resurrection, so we'll be: with a spiritual body as described in 1Cor 15:42-50. Flesh and Blood imply MORTALITY!
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 5:58am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:

Your point is dead on arrival, Many of those translation that uses " Breath " at Ecc 3:19 indicate " Spirit " in there footnotes. Such as NLT .


Ecclesiastes 3:19-21
New Living Translation (NLT)
19 For people and animals share the same fate—both breathe[a] and both must die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! 20 Both go to the same place—they came from dust and they return to dust. 21 For who can prove that the human spirit goes up and the spirit of animals goes down into the earth?

Footnotes:
3:19 Or both have the same spirit.



Concerning Psalm 104:29 , verse 30 speak of God's power in creation as breath too, do you now accept holy spirit is God's breath ?


You don't know shit!

Animals have breath of life too !!! Genesis 7 vs 22


u are back to your old ways of lying and dubiously making false assertion such as only man is living soul.



A Soul means a person not some mythical ghost within a person. If your imagination are correct, that means there is another entity living inside God and his angels.
You are just repeating assertions that hold no water. A mistranslation cannot be made whole by assertions.

See your confusion @bolded!

Your soul is YOU!

I asked what's the Soul and what's the Spirit?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:19am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


grin grin grin read the underlined and educate yourself on why animals have spirit too . Spirit in Man and animals is their breath. So spirit doesn't prove afterlife, same way animals having spirit doesn't mean they live on after death .
Did God breath His breath of life into Animals too? When?

Peacefullove:

The 1. Is uncalled for , Soul can't mean Soul that's dubious and wrong . Just stop at 2 and 3. Apply it to everything else.
This shows that you don't seem to know the difference between a spirit and soul

Soul cant mean soul!!?
Check these two scriptures and tell me that souls mean corpse or body?

Rev 6:9:
"And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held."

Rev 20:4:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

If the soul was seen by John: in what context is it: Soul, Being, Person??

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 6:21am On Feb 05
shadeyinka:
You are just repeating assertions that hold no water. A mistranslation cannot be made whole by assertions.

See your confusion @bolded!

Your soul is YOU!
10000% bet your bottom dollar correct

shadeyinka:
I asked what's the Soul and what's the Spirit?

MuttleyLaff:
I am 110% sure you'll agree and accept that, it is the Soul that is saved even Ezekiel 18:20 emphatically states that: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die.", it doesnt say its the Body or the Spirit. Now, the heart is used by the Soul but the heart definitely is not the Spirit

Let me slip this bit in, first, as a preamble. Proverbs 4:23 and Luke 6:45 above, informs us that, it's out of the abundance of the heart first, then processed in the brain or mind, before the mouth speaks. All evil intents comes forth out of the heart, as in, the heart housed in the human Body. Mark 7:21-22, paints a picture of the heart with the following: "For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness" and Jeremiah 17:9 doesnt paint the heart in good light either, as it says: "The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?"

Incidentally, the verse, Psalms 51:10, informatively tells us, that the heart is linked with the mind, which is part of the Soul. The same Soul or psyche uses the heart as an outlet, to pass out or pass in things, from the Body and/or Spirit via the heart in the Soul. I'll soon below explain how it does this and/or how this works

What is man?
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
"
- Genesis 2:7

"For the Spirit of God has made me,
and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
"
- Job 33:4

Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul (i.e. a psyche). In fact, Man is made up of Body, Soul and Spirit. As a matter of fact, the Soul or psyche, has the Body and Spirit on each opposite sides of it. In a nutshell, Man essentially, is a spirit being with a Soul, housed, encapsulated, and/or wrapped up, in a human being body suit.

Genesis 2:7 and Job 33:4 above, informs us, its "ruach" the Spirit from God and "neshamah" that keeps the human body animated.

Now shadeyinka, please dont try to mix up "ruach" and "neshamah" with ordinary and/or commonplace spirits, as in meaning, dont try to mix up the Spirit of God and the breath or wind of God, with extraterrestrial beings, which is what evil and good spirits are.

Fyi, "ruach", in Hebrew, with its corresponding Greek word "pneuma" essentially and in an almost oversimplified way means force. It is breath, wind, spirit of God, all rolled in as one thing. It in a sense, is the invisible force or power of God, hence why being perceived as a Spirit, so yes, "ruach" is the Spirit of God. In fact you wont wrong in saying that "ruach" or "Ha Ruach Ha Kodesh" is the Holy Spirit, as in, the Spirit of God.

You can see both "ruach" and "neshamah" being interplayed in the creation of man from Genesis 2:7 reproduced above, and as a witness plus as a supporting verse, Job 33:4 you see reproduced above, confirms, by testifying, that, its "ruach" that made man and it is "neshamah" that gives man life

"Neshamah", incidentally, is actually derived from another Hebrew word called "nasham" that means to pant and/or blow away with air, now, when the spirit, as in, meaning, "neshamah", the breath, returns back to God, the Body slumps and the Soul goes into comatose. This looks and feels, similar to a TV animated cartoon changed and turned into a cartoon strip character, on a comic book or magazine paper. TV animated cartoon characters moves, but cartoon strip character, on a comic book or magazine paper dont move like animated cartoon characters watched on TV screens. For the life of the body is in the blood and the life of the soul is in the spirit. When the spirit leaves the body, it returns back to God, leaving the body inanimate, meaning leaves it motionless and lifeless, as in, without life or no more with life. Ecclesiastes 12:7

"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
"
- Ecclesiastes 12:7

"For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay."
- Psalm 16:10

blueAgent, you're too heavy to want to fall for my hand now, please dont. Biko, jor abeg. The soul of Jesus, not being left in Sheol, aka hell/hades, is King David's Psalm 16:10 prophecy being fulfilled. Everything written about Jesus, in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms were each and every one fulfilled, and so we have it that the soul of Jesus was not abandoned in Sheol nor His body decayed. Praise God. Alleluia.

Now, shadeyinka, when our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected, He resurrected with a glorified body. Need I go on, need I say more, if not, then I rest my case then.

After the death of the Body, the Soul without God, without any affinity with God, cant achieve or have eternal life

I guess shadeyinka that you'll agree that the devil and demons are souless, meaning they have no soul. Now, the reason why the devil and the demons are inredeemable is because of the fact that they have no souls. The devil and the demons, are not able to be saved, be improved, or be corrected because of the mere fact that they lack a soul. The devil and the demons, to start with, unlike human beings, havent got diddly squat souls to make better, to make more desirable, satisfactory and/or effective.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:28am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


I think you need to define what you mean by ressurection .



Lol, are you saying the lake of fire is on Earth ? The ungodly were actually ressurected to the earth !



On Earth ?



You definitely need to define what you meant by ressurection! ...
The scriptures never gave the location of the lake of fire. Moreover, there is even a new heaven and a new earth for the old one passed away..

You're back to my first post but I'll oblige you

Resurrection is the recombination of the physical being (body) with the non physical being (soul and spirit) of a personality.

Eg.
1. Jesus's Resurrection
2. Rev 11:10-12: "And the ones who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, and will make merry, and will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth. And after three days and a half, a spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet. And great fear fell on those seeing them. And they heard a great voice from Heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up to Heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them."
3. Dan 12:2-3: " And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt. And those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the sky; and those who turn many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever and ever."


I believe you can see that the definition of resurrection is consistent with the two scriptures above

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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 6:35am On Feb 05
budaatum:

Are you saying, 'if they did not die they would not resurrect'?

As in, "they would not resurrect if they did not die"?
No!

I am just speaking for the necessity of humans existing as physical beings.

Those who has not died as of that time would be transformed to put on an incorruptible body like those who were resurrected.
TLB 1Cor 15:52:
"It will all happen in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For there will be a trumpet blast from the sky, and all the Christians who have died will suddenly become alive, with new bodies that will never, never die; and then we who are still alive shall suddenly have new bodies too."
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 9:53am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


Man has a physical being is a Flesh and Blood creature. In a statement of Yeshua he said To Peter Flesh and Blood did not reveal it to you which means no human reveal it to you .

So the same Bible says Flesh and Blood cannot inherit Kingdom of God, is the new heaven a Kingdom of God or not ? How will ressurection now mean giving dead people fresh body of flesh and blood to live in heaven ?


The just will be transformed during the resurrection, there human mortal bodies will be changed to immortal bodies and then they will be take to Heaven.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 New International
Version (NIV)
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven,
with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel
and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in
Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive
and are left will be caught up together with them in
the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will
be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one
another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on
incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on
immortality, then shall be brought to pass the
saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in
victory.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 9:56am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:

You only successfully proved spirit means breath. NASB isn't wrong either.

The word spirit in the Bible can be used to refer to 3different things.
1. A living supernatural being like God,Angels,Demons, Devil.
2.The mind,Will,zeal thoughts capacity of A person.
3. the life force or breathe.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 10:08am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


Psalm 104:29 is still there for you. Infact Ecc 3:19 says man and animals have the same spirit.

To burst your lies , Some translation uses breath but went ahead to indicate in their footnotes that it means *Spirit



God himself have soul

Isaiah 42:1 Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;

I guess another entity lives inside God ?


The word Soul there means mind,thoughts,

The word soul in the bible can mean 3different things.
1.A living being
2.The mind, thinking, ones physce
3.. it can also mean life or breathe.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 10:16am On Feb 05
Maximus69:


Have you ever been specific for once? cheesy

Since your Church has adopted the TRINITY, you've become a fugitive with no specific FAITH!

So can you give a better explanation about the destination of the righteous?

Because God created humans and said earth is their home {Psalms 115:16} and Jesus promised to take his friends to heaven {John 14:1-4} So Mr fugitive, present a better correlation between the two ideas if you're saying Jehovah's Witnesses aren't 100% correct. cheesy

You are confused.
Check my blog for articles on trinity.

Earth is the home of the righteous but God promised that he would recreate the Heavens and the Earth.
The righteous would have access to both Earth and Heaven just like Adam and Eve had before the sinned.

It was sin that separated Heaven from Earth.
Jesus is right to promise his followers Heaven as well as Earth because the righteous would have free access to both.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(m): 10:20am On Feb 05
Peacefullove:


grin grin grin read the underlined and educate yourself on why animals have spirit too . Spirit in Man and animals is their breath. So spirit doesn't prove afterlife, same way animals having spirit doesn't mean they live on after death .


The 1. Is uncalled for , Soul can't mean Soul that's dubious and wrong . Just stop at 2 and 3. Apply it to everything else.

You are right by saying there is no life or spirit or soul that lives on after death.

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