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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 8:06am On Mar 11
FOLYKAZE, please paste here that your proof of MuttleyLaff's "You told us you don't know". Has it now come to this, how low the mighty descend to Pinocchio tactics, lol. The shadow of your nose is bigger than your body's, lol.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Emusan(m): 9:00am On Mar 11
LordReed:


The type of evidence required here has been repeatedly defined, confirmation of the historicity of biblical figures and events. This includes archeological evidence, geological evidence, biological evidence, contemporary historic accounts, etc.

So you want to tell me that you haven't heard about Archaeological evidence of any Biblical figures?

This is pure dishonesty...

Geological evidence in what sense?

Biological evidence....they said Jesus resurrected and you're looking for His biological evidence....

There are contemporary accounts of Him

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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:52am On Mar 11
MuttleyLaff:
FOLYKAZE, please paste here that your proof of MuttleyLaff's "You told us you don't know". Has it now come to this, how low the mighty descend to Pinocchio tactics, lol. The shadow of your nose is bigger than your body's, lol.

Folykaze: But if I may ask, what is your thought on afterlife. Would there not be rapture and sojourn to heaven in the literal sense? Is everything in the bible allegory

Budaatum: I have no evidence for an afterlife or a heaven nor do I concern myself about such things, for Christ wisely advised that "Sufficient for the day is its own trouble", and I can't add "one cubit to my stature" by worrying.

Now check the OP, it is about historicity of the Bible figure and events and justification of christian faith with regard to hope on afterlife.

When did I ascribe the statement to you?
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by LordReed(m): 9:55am On Mar 11
Emusan:


So you want to tell me that you haven't heard about Archaeological evidence of any Biblical figures?

This is pure dishonesty...

Geological evidence in what sense?

Biological evidence....they said Jesus resurrected and you're looking for His biological evidence....

There are contemporary accounts of Him

Oh I have heard alright but I have not seen it presented. I guess you will present them, go right ahead we are waiting.

Geologic evidence for things like a worldwide cataclysmic flood.

Is Jesus the only person we are talking about? Besides biological evidence is usually for mass of people not of single individuals. DNA evidence of populations tells more intricate stories than word of mouth tales.

What are the contemporary accounts of Jesus?
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:57am On Mar 11
Emusan:


So you want to tell me that you haven't heard about Archaeological evidence of any Biblical figures?

This is pure dishonesty...

Simply present the records. Long story short.



Emusan:
Geological evidence in what sense?

Geological evidence of global flooding.

Emusan:
Biological evidence....they said Jesus resurrected and you're looking for His biological evidence....

Biological evidence of virgin birth not resurrection.

Emusan:
There are contemporary accounts of Him

Save our time and show us your so called contemporary accounts
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 10:06am On Mar 11
FOLYKAZE:
Folykaze: But if I may ask, what is your thought on afterlife. Would there not be rapture and sojourn to heaven in the literal sense? Is everything in the bible allegory

Budaatum: I have no evidence for an afterlife or a heaven nor do I concern myself about such things, for Christ wisely advised that "Sufficient for the day is its own trouble", and I can't add "one cubit to my stature" by worrying.

Now check the OP, it is about historicity of the Bible figure and events and justification of christian faith with regard to hope on afterlife.

When did I ascribe the statement to you?

I was just making sure you didnt by some strange fluke ascribe the statement to me ni ojaare, lol. Look at you, bringing record book out like as Abami Ẹda Fẹla RIP wey go courtroom, for me, lol. Chai!
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:10am On Mar 11
Maximus69:

How many of you out there are waiting for the evidence? cheesy

1. Thomas
2. Whoever doubted the death and resurrection of Jesus according to 1cor 15
3. Whoever Paul significantly told to always seek the truth and always enquire for hold unto truth only 1 thes 5:21
4. Whoever David called the prudent mind that verify facts before accepting them
5. I and every one who had their thinking cap on.
6. Every other conscious minds exception of feeble minds.

Now give me the total number of people waiting for evidence.

Maximus69:
My guy, you've got all the time to choose what you will believe (trust) nobody gives a bleep about whatever you choose to believe.
So it's you that's having problems with the beliefs of others which makes you the one suffering silently! cheesy
Live your life the way you want and leave others to whatever they choose to (trust) believe! cheesy

This is jusy rambling like that of a child that lost his toy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:24am On Mar 11
Maximus69:


The problem you guys have is obvious when you find it so difficult to ignore! cheesy

The secret behind the concept of God is to determine right and wrong for intelligent creatures, you people are saying there is nothing as such yet when someone choose to be unquestionably stupid (from your point of view) you failed woefully to maintain your stance! cheesy

If truthfully there is no God, why can't you just live your life without having to correct adults like you who have chosen what they will like to do with their lives? cheesy

Come on, these people aren't snatching your bread, butter or cup of tea, so why are you people agitating? cheesy

Mr Max sir, stop jumping at the gun. The thread is about historicity of the bible figures and events, not about God.

We have passed the first phase, and should any moment from now move to the next phase which is, justification of your faith while vividly understanding that much of the account and events recorded in the bible legend, tale and fable.

The next turn question for you, MuttleyLaff, emilo2stay and other Christians on the forum, knowing now that Jesus didn't exist historically, and that the major events written about him are fabricated, is your faith justified? Do you guys trust that a man who didn't exist in the past would come in the future and take you to paradise? Do you still trust in the hope of everlasting life?

Remembering that Paul said 'if Jesus had not died then the faith, evangelical works, hope of resurrection in the end is total vanity'. Knowing now that Jesus didn't die or resurrect, what convinced you that you will resurrect in the end? And how do you handle the shame that all you longed for, hope for and yearn for is vanity?

Thanks
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 10:41am On Mar 11
FOLYKAZE:


1. Thomas
2. Whoever doubted the death and resurrection of Jesus according to 1cor 15
3. Whoever Paul significantly told to always seek the truth and always enquire for hold unto truth only 1 thes 5:21
4. Whoever David called the prudent mind that verify facts before accepting them
5. I and every one who had their thinking cap on.
6. Every other conscious minds exception of feeble minds.

Now give me the total number of people waiting for evidence.



This is jusy rambling like that of a child that lost his toy

If you doubt the historicity of the events what then have you got to do with the characters mentioned in the story? cheesy

My friend, there are just to groups of people on planet earth:-

Believers~ These are people who strongly believe in the concept of the same line of thought regarding right and wrong, so when we find them we discuss with them to agree on principles and standards, that's what Christianity is all about!

Atheists~ These are advocates of freethinking, they don't subscribe to a common line of thought, they feel each person should decide what's right or wrong from his/her own perspectives, so when we find such persons we wave goodbye and move to the next door!

The problem most of you guys claiming atheists have is lack of intellect.
You shouldn't agree someone is a Christian simply because he claims to be so, the first thing any intellectual will do is find out what exactly does Christianity mean, the story of Jesus is in the Bible whether true or false is not the issue but who are those adhering to the ideas of the so called Jesus, then you'll be able to separate those who are claiming Christians from those following the teachings of the man Jesus, then you can now concentrate on his real followers to discard Jesus as a fictitious Character.
But when you keep arguing with every Dick and Harry simply because they claim to be Christians, it makes you look like Jack who is responding to all the dogs backing at him on his way to work, of course he can't go any further! cheesy

For your information there are billions of atheists claiming Christians, any religionist who does not subscribe to the same line of thought is an ATHEIST (misinformed) and any atheist who can't afford to say goodbye after hearing the resolve of his fellow man is a believer (misinformed).

That's why Jesus asked us to go and search for suchlike ones, they are the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! Matthew 10:6,15:24

So don't think you're winning when a so called religionists turn to ATHEISM, he is already an atheist but MISINFORMED! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 11:51am On Mar 11
FOLYKAZE:


Mr Max sir, stop jumping at the gun. The thread is about historicity of the bible figures and events, not about God.
We have passed the first phase, and should any moment from now move to the next phase which is, justification of your faith while vividly understanding that much of the account and events recorded in the bible legend, tale and fable.
The next turn question for you, MuttleyLaff, emilo2stay and other Christians on the forum, knowing now that Jesus didn't exist historically, and that the major events written about him are fabricated, is your faith justified? Do you guys trust that a man who didn't exist in the past would come in the future and take you to paradise? Do you still trust in the hope of everlasting life?
Remembering that Paul said 'if Jesus had not died then the faith, evangelical works, hope of resurrection in the end is total vanity'. Knowing now that Jesus didn't die or resurrect, what convinced you that you will resurrect in the end? And how do you handle the shame that all you longed for, hope for and yearn for is vanity?
Thanks

Mr FOLY, i never wanted to discuss with you from the start! cheesy

Remember you called me out while i was busy chatting with my friend honourable Prof LordReed, and after getting to know your resolve on the matter of faith, i told you my humble resolve as well expecting you to wave goodbye! wink

So whether Jesus existed or not is not a topic i have time to discuss with you Sir.

My search is for those who believe in the same line of thought to make PEACE, and Jesus is the key to that, but since you don't believe he ever existed, it means what matters to me is of no interest to you.

So there is no reason for further discussion, there is a purpose for whatever we believers do. Our mission is to unite people with the use of a common line of thought Jesus laid down. But since you feel Jesus never existed, it's OK you can continue in your quest.

We are not of the same sort meaning our mission totally differ! wink
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:19pm On Mar 11
MuttleyLaff:

I was just making sure you didnt by some strange fluke ascribe the statement to me ni ojaare, lol. Look at you, bringing record book out like as Abami Ẹda Fẹla RIP wey go courtroom, for me, lol. Chai!

This is the trait of 'superstitio' Suetonius, the roman historian noticed in the early Christian's behaviour during the reign of Emperor Claudius in 44AD.

In his work titled "Lives of the Twelve Caesars", he described Christians, ' a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition.' He is the earliest historian's who wrote about the expulsion of the jew from Rome by Claudius, following instigation of anti-government movement by 'a certain Crestus'. Roman government do not have a detailed information about whom Jesus is. Only superstitious fellas can believe such a figure exist.

That trait of attack and persecution is what you are exhibiting here.

We have passed the first phase, and should any moment from now move to the next phase which is, justification of your faith while vividly understanding that much of the account and events recorded in the bible legend, tale and fable.

The next turn question for you and other Christians on the forum, knowing now that Jesus didn't exist historically, and that the major events written about him are fabricated, is your faith justified? Do you guys trust that a man who didn't exist in the past would come in the future and take you to paradise? Do you still trust in the hope of everlasting life?

Remembering that Paul said 'if Jesus had not died then the faith, evangelical works, hope of resurrection in the end is total vanity'. Knowing now that Jesus didn't die or resurrect, what convinced you that you will resurrect in the end? And how do you handle the shame that all you longed for, hope for and yearn for is vanity?

Thanks
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:35pm On Mar 11
Maximus69:


Mr FOLY, i never wanted to discuss with you from the start! cheesy

Remember you called me out while i was busy chatting with my friend honourable Prof LordReed, and after getting to know your resolve on the matter of faith, i told you my humble resolve as well expecting you to wave goodbye! wink

So whether Jesus existed or not is not a topic i have time to discuss with you Sir.

My search is for those who believe in the same line of thought to make PEACE, and Jesus is the key to that, but since you don't believe he ever existed, it means what matters to me is of no interest to you.

So there is no reason for further discussion, there is a purpose for whatever we believers do. Our mission is to unite people with the use of a common line of thought Jesus laid down. But since you feel Jesus never existed, it's OK you can continue in your quest.

We are not of the same sort meaning our mission totally differ! wink


The show of timidity is only an evidence cluelessness and frustration. Not once did I mention that I do not believe Jesus existed. I only said base on historical sources and scholar view, historicity of Jesus life and bible events do not conform with reality. I gave you all the opportunities in the world to prove Jesus, whom you believe, actually existed, but couldn't do it. I asked for resources which could help your case but you only asked me to two books that only recount bible stories without emphasis on historical realities which the thread is all about. And now you are trying to play the sissy game. If you have any shred of evidence, present it and stop whining.

And in absence of evidence, simply tell us about your hope in the second coming of a man who never existed. Don't you see your faith as vanity?
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:46pm On Mar 11
Maximus69:


If you doubt the historicity of the events what then have you got to do with the characters mentioned in the story? cheesy

Ever heard of the statement 'using your words against you'?

The account is everywhere and I have to reasonable doubt, it is only you who is neglecting your responsibility of clearing my doubt with enormous evidences and facts. Negligence of duty, what is the penalty in the military?

Maximus69:
My friend, there are just to groups of people on planet earth:-

Believers~ These are people who strongly believe in the concept of the same line of thought regarding right and wrong, so when we find them we discuss with them to agree on principles and standards, that's what Christianity is all about!

Atheists~ These are advocates of freethinking, they don't subscribe to a common line of thought, they feel each person should decide what's right or wrong from his/her own perspectives, so when we find such persons we wave goodbye and move to the next door!

The problem most of you guys claiming atheists have is lack of intellect.
You shouldn't agree someone is a Christian simply because he claims to be so, the first thing any intellectual will do is find out what exactly does Christianity mean, the story of Jesus is in the Bible whether true or false is not the issue but who are those adhering to the ideas of the so called Jesus, then you'll be able to separate those who are claiming Christians from those following the teachings of the man Jesus, then you can now concentrate on his real followers to discard Jesus as a fictitious Character.
But when you keep arguing with every Dick and Harry simply because they claim to be Christians, it makes you look like Jack who is responding to all the dogs backing at him on his way to work, of course he can't go any further! cheesy

Instead of writing epistles, you are a christian, prove christ exist historically. The long epistle makes my head ache

Maximus69:
For your information there are billions of atheists claiming Christians, any religionist who does not subscribe to the same line of thought is an ATHEIST (misinformed) and any atheist who can't afford to say goodbye after hearing the resolve of his fellow man is a believer (misinformed).

That's why Jesus asked us to go and search for suchlike ones, they are the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! Matthew 10:6,15:24

So don't think you're winning when a so called religionists turn to ATHEISM, he is already an atheist but MISINFORMED! cheesy

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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 5:06pm On Mar 11
FOLYKAZE:


The show of timidity is only an evidence cluelessness and frustration. Not once did I mention that I do not believe Jesus existed. I only said base on historical sources and scholar view, historicity of Jesus life and bible events do not conform with reality. I gave you all the opportunities in the world to prove Jesus, whom you believe, actually existed, but couldn't do it. I asked for resources which could help your case but you only asked me to two books that only recount bible stories without emphasis on historical realities which the thread is all about. And now you are trying to play the sissy game. If you have any shred of evidence, present it and stop whining.

And in absence of evidence, simply tell us about your hope in the second coming of a man who never existed. Don't you see your faith as vanity?

Èèsí o, Olódùmarè gbani o! cheesy

I said "i'm not interested in your quest!" cheesy

Perhaps i should type in capital letters for you to see clearly.

I SAID "AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR QUEST"!

EVIDENCE O, CLUELESSNESS O, FRUSTRATION O

I think it's none of your business for goodness sake, so why is it so difficult for you to just wave goodbye and forget about Maximus69? cheesy

My friend, Jesus loves you!

He is the same person who said people can't rest if they've gotten so much to offer, you said he never existed so let's forget about the discussion for you to go on with your quest and for me to continue my preaching and teaching campaign for God's Kingdom.

We know those with whom we can spend our time, not with your type.

So instead of giving yourself unnecessary headache about how to drag Maximus69 into some fruitless, hopeless and endless arguments why not move ahead in search of your kind? cheesy

I said i wish you success in your mission, try to wish me the same so that we wave at each other goodbye in PEACE!

The way you're taking this thing, don't let it enter your head to the extent of killing people who disagree with you o, that's how Boko Haram began! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 5:26pm On Mar 11
FOLYKAZE:


Ever heard of the statement 'using your words against you'?

(1)The account is everywhere and I have to reasonable doubt, it is only you who is neglecting your responsibility of clearing my doubt with enormous evidences and facts. Negligence of duty, what is the penalty in the military?

(2)Instead of writing epistles, you are a christian, prove christ exist historically. The long epistle makes my head ache.....

(1)I love this question walahi talahi! cheesy

Negligence of duty!

As a military officer our duty is to make peace with ARMED enemies by either silencing them in death (killing them) or forcing them to surrender their WEAPONS.
But from an illustrative point of view, you're just a lousy and armless bloody civilian that poses no threat at all, so no professional military personnel will dare waste a minute attending to your noise when there are fully armed adversaries out there! cheesy

You don't believe in the same line of thought so that means you won't force me to adhere to any form of standard since you don't have what you're holding so dear! cheesy

Therefore you're of no relevance in the mission given to me as a Christian soldier!

(2) The only reason for me to do that is not there! cheesy
Since you don't believe in the existence of a supreme being who have given you a form of standard to impose on me, you're of no significance to my mission!

Jesus said "SEARCH FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL"
Meaning individuals who strongly believe in the concept of the same line of thought.

Since you don't subscribe to that, it means you're fully prepared to return to dust hopelessly like Adam so farewell! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:03pm On Mar 15
LordReed, when is Mr Emusan going to find and present the evidences of Jesus existence? He spoke the last time as if he had the evidences, many days have gone past and we haven't seen any evidences yet
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:24pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:


(1)I love this question walahi talahi! cheesy

Negligence of duty!

As a military officer our duty is to make peace with ARMED enemies by either silencing them in death (killing them) or forcing them to surrender their WEAPONS.
But from the illustrative point of view, you're just a lousy and armless civilian that poses no threat at all, so no professional military personnel will dare waste a minute attending to your noise when there are fully armed adversaries out there! cheesy

You don't believe in the same line of thought so that means you won't force me to adhere to any form of standard since you don't have what you're holding so dear! cheesy

Therefore you're of no relevance in the mission given to me as a Christian soldier!

Hey! I asked a simple question and all you could provide is rable rouser, having no addresses to question at hand. Did you not say you are an intelligent officer? How come there is no intelligence in your response?

Simply tell us, providing a direct answer, how army department punish its men for negligence of duty.

Maximus69:
(2) The only reason for me to do that is not there! cheesy
Since you don't believe in the existence of a supreme being who have given you a form of standard to impose on me, you're of no significance to my mission!

Jesus said "SEARCH FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL"
Meaning individuals who strongly believe in the concept of the same line of thought.

Since you don't subscribe to that, it means you're fully prepared to return to dust hopelessly like Adam so farewell! cheesy

Another rable rouser.

The healthy needs not a doctor. A believer does not need your preaching.

For every man have been apportioned to eat the bread, drink wine, enjoy days of their youth with wife, and pour oil on their hair. Eccl.

Man shouldn't bother much about tomorrow.

The dead thinketh not and knows not his fate in the grave.

Men have been apportioned to live and die once.

All the above are from the bible, different entirely from the hellenistic garbage you have up there. Whay exactly what do you teach people when you go out for evangelism?
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:39pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:


Èèsí o, Olódùmarè gbani o! cheesy

I said "i'm not interested in your quest!" cheesy

Perhaps i should type in capital letters for you to see clearly.

I SAID "AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR QUEST"!

EVIDENCE O, CLUELESSNESS O, FRUSTRATION O

I think it's none of your business for goodness sake, so why is it so difficult for you to just wave goodbye and forget about Maximus69? cheesy

My friend, Jesus loves you!

He is the same person who said people can't rest if they've gotten so much to offer, you said he never existed so let's forget about the discussion for you to go on with your quest and for me to continue my preaching and teaching campaign for God's Kingdom.

We know those with whom we can spend our time, not with your type.

So instead of giving yourself unnecessary headache about how to drag Maximus69 into some fruitless, hopeless and endless arguments why not move ahead in search of your kind? cheesy

I said i wish you success in your mission, try to wish me the same so that we wave at each other goodbye in PEACE!

The way you're taking this thing, don't let it enter your head to the extent of killing people who disagree with you o, that's how Boko Haram began! cheesy




Geez! Why are you crying all over the places? I understand it pained, that your long beliefs have substance of truth in it, and that your longed hope is hot air.

Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, who lead Reform Judaism in Israel, had her own share of pain and tears. In her words: 'when I heard for the first time that the Exodus might not have happened, I did want to weep...' Alot of Israelites have admitted the story in the Exodus is fictional and reasonably traditional truth, but not historic facts. But a wannabe Christian with confused identity with the house of Israel wants to keep up the touch of his belief as if it will make the fiction turns to reality.

It is your tears and wailing, and we will accord you the privilege to use the wailing wall in Jerusalem, maybe God would replay the incidents so that it can become reality.

British archaeologist Philip Davies famously concluded that Moses, Joshua, Jesus himself and host of figures in the bible are about as much historic reality as King Arthur. You should wake up to reality Max, MuttleyLaff and emilo2stay, if Jesus had not died and resurrected, then your hope and faith is vanity. 1 cor 15:7
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 1:41pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:


(1)Hey! I asked a simple question and all you could provide is rable rouser, having no addresses to question at hand. Did you not say you are an intelligent officer? How come there is no intelligence in your response?
Simply tell us, providing a direct answer, how army department punish its men for negligence of duty.



Another rable rouser.
(2)The healthy needs not a doctor. A believer does not need your preaching.
For every man have been apportioned to eat the bread, drink wine, enjoy days of their youth with wife, and pour oil on their hair. Eccl.
Man shouldn't bother much about tomorrow.
The dead thinketh not and knows not his fate in the grave.
Men have been apportioned to live and die once.
All the above are from the bible, different entirely from the hellenistic garbage you have up there. Whay exactly what do you teach people when you go out for evangelism?

(1) You are asking but you're not listening attentively when the answer comes. A soldier is counted to be negligent of his duty when he fails to carry out the last order!
You're asking in connection with your lousy ranting what a soldier will do to you during WAR, and i told you simply that you're like a non-entity since you're a armless, bloody civilian.
So you're NOT OUR TARGET Sir! cheesy

(2) Jesus asked us to go out IN SEARCH OF THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Matthew 10:6

So as you can see for yourself, there are special kind of people we are assigned to look for NOT JUST ANY DICK AND HARRY LIKE YOU Sir, that means once we're able to deduce from your response to our presentation that you're not of that sort we quickly switch to the next door! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 1:45pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:


Geez! Why are you crying all over the places? I understand it pained, that your long beliefs have substance of truth in it, and that your longed hope is hot air.

Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, who lead Reform Judaism in Israel, had her own share of pain and tears. In her words: 'when I heard for the first time that the Exodus might not have happened, I did want to weep...' Alot of Israelites have admitted the story in the Exodus is fictional and reasonably traditional truth, but not historic facts. But a wannabe Christian with confused identity with the house of Israel wants to keep up the touch of his belief as if it will make the fiction turns to reality.

It is your tears and wailing, and we will accord you the privilege to use the wailing wall in Jerusalem, maybe God would replay the incidents so that it can become reality.

British archaeologist Philip Davies famously concluded that Moses, Joshua, Jesus himself and host of figures in the bible are about as much historic reality as King Arthur. You should wake up to reality Max, MuttleyLaff and emilo2stay, if Jesus had not died and resurrected, then your hope and faith is vanity. 1 cor 15:7

That's exactly what i'm trying to tell you, since you're of this opinion then there is no reason for further discussion.
So i wish you success in your quest and i think you too should wish me the same in order to wave farewell to each other with PEACE and LOVE! wink
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:50pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:


(1) You are asking but you're not listening attentively when the answer comes. A soldier is counted to be negligent of his duty when he fails to carry out the last order!

Oga, how do the headquarter treat cases of negligence of duty? I didn't ask you to remix or rephrase my questions.

Maximus69:
You're asking in connection with your lousy ranting what a soldier will do to you during WAR, and i told you simply that you're like a non-entity since you're a armless, bloody civilian.
So you're NOT OUR TARGET Sir! cheesy

Twisting and distortions. I didn't say any of this.

Again, how does the Army punish negligents?

Maximus69:
(2) Jesus asked us to go out IN SEARCH OF THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Matthew 10:6

So as you can see for yourself, there are special kind of people we are assigned to look for NOT JUST ANY DICK AND HARRY LIKE YOU Sir, that means once we're able to deduce from your response to our presentation that you're not of that sort we quickly switch to the next door! cheesy

What again did 1 Pet 3:15 says?

And you are a deluded liar, Jesus commissioned the 12/70 to preach to every creatures in the world, not just the sheep only. Note, ALL CREATURES
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:57pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:


That's exactly what i'm trying to tell you, since you're of this opinion then there is no reason for further discussion.
So i wish you success in your quest and i think you too should wish me the same in order to wave farewell to each other with PEACE and LOVE! wink

Urrmm!, thank me for revealing the truth to you, that you wasted much time chasing vanity and hopelessness, even when your present existence is vanity. Enjoy your toil when you csn now Eccl 2. For when you you die, your knowledge is dead and you cease to exist. Wake up and never live life in dreams
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 2:07pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:


(1)Oga, how do the headquarter treat cases of negligence of duty? I I ask you to remix or rephrase my questions.
Twisting and distortions. I didn't say any of this.
Again, how does the Army punish negligents?



(2)What again did 1 Pet 3:15 says?
Jesus commissioned the 12/70 to preach to every creatures in the world, not just the sheep only. Note, ALL CREATURES

(1) You shouldn't derail the thread Sir. First tell me the correlation between the topic of your thread and the operation of the army, then we can proceed on that! wink

(2) This is where you're making things difficult for yourself, you said Jesus is a fictional character yet you want to quote the so called fictional character as a real person.

Haba is Jesus a real historical figure or not?

If he is real then we can start discussing on what he said, but if he's not what has his command got to do with you? cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by LordReed(m): 2:20pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:
LordReed, when is Mr Emusan going to find and present the evidences of Jesus existence? He spoke the last time as if he had the evidences, many days have gone past and we haven't seen any evidences yet

I have been wondering the same thing. Maybe he flew to Israel to go and bring them.

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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 2:21pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:


Urrmm!, thank me for revealing the truth to you, that you wasted much time chasing vanity and hopelessness, even when your present existence is vanity. Enjoy your toil when you csn now Eccl 2. For when you you die, your knowledge is dead and you cease to exist. Wake up and never live life in dreams

Exactly what i've been trying to tell you all this while Sir! smiley

My life, aim, objective, mission, ambition, purpose, intention as in everything that has to do with me is none of your business since my life is my life and your life is your life.

I'm not to control you on how you will live your life neither are you to do the same to me, so i wish you success in your quest in life, please wish me the same and let's wave goodbye at each other! cheesy

My friend, the Bible explains that we humans have a purpose why we're here but if you think that's a lie, then why are you so concerned with how an adult who never needed you in any way will live his life? cheesy

Your attitude is speaking in volume against your speech, if you and i will just live and die, and i've not come to snatch your bread, butter or cup of tea, why are you so disturbed about me?

WHY? WHY? WHY? cheesy

Jesus loves you, that's why you must preach and teach your fellow man how to live a life of a brighter future. If there is no Jesus then there is no reason to disturb your brains about how i live my life Sir!

That's what makes you look so stupid with all the effort, resources, time and energy you've been wasting on this issue! Job 5:13 cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:16pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:



(1) You shouldn't derail the thread Sir. First tell me the correlation between the topic of your thread and the operation of the army, then we can proceed on that! wink

Now I doubt you are intelligence officer if you don't see the glaring correlation between the topic and the operation the army. Is it not vivid enough that;

i. Christians like Soldiers are commissioned personnel.

ii. Christians have rhe responsibility of preaching the gospel, much like Soldiers have duty to protect the sovereignty on the state.

iii. Christians are compelled to convert non-Christians, while Soldiers are obligated to subdue their enemy.

iv. Failing in their duty, Christians are likely to be punished like Jonah. Same way Soldierd would be punished by the Army for negligence.

v. Using pascal wager, I can argued that I didn't believe in historicity of the gospel because you neglected your duty of convincing and converting me. 1 Pet 3:15. And you take all the blames.

Maximus69:
(2) This is where you're making things difficult for yourself, you said Jesus is a fictional character yet you want to quote the so called fictional character as a real person.

Haba is Jesus a real historical figure or not?

If he is real then we can start discussing on what he said, but if he's not what has his command got to do with you? cheesy

I read the 48 laws of power written by Robert Greene, one chapter every day. And I see Greene citing King Arthur and figures from ancient folktales.

For heaven sake, I quoted the bible on what Jesus said, it didn't mean Jesus existed. I can go on and on quoting Ifa likewise, didn't mean the folktales in Ifa corpus is real.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:18pm On Mar 15
LordReed:


I have been wondering the same thing. Maybe he flew to Israel to go and bring them.

Hahahaha

If Skeletal remains of Jehohanan, 1st-century CE crucifixion victim from Givat HaMivtar in Jerusalem, with a nail still lodged inside the heel bone can be found, he will most likely find the skeletal remains of Jesus. That is if he didn't ascended to heaven with flesh and bones.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:33pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:


Exactly what i've been trying to tell you all this while Sir! smiley

My life, aim, objective, mission, ambition, purpose, intention as in everything that has to do with me is none of your business since my life is my life and your life is your life.

I'm not to control you on how you will live your life neither are you to do the same to me, so i wish you success in your quest in life, please wish me the same and let's wave goodbye at each other! cheesy

No sir. You are human and your well-being is my concern. Though not for your own sake but for the sake of humanity, I wouldn't deny my omo iya life.

Maximus69:
My friend, the Bible explains that we humans have a purpose why we're here but if you think that's a lie, then why are you so concerned with how an adult who never needed you in any way will live his life? cheesy

Stop making the discourse a form of me against you. That is a syndrome of religiosity. The author of Ecclesiastic said life have no purpose, and every thing is vanity. It is not my saying but the author of eccl.

Meanwhile, I said and will always say that you should establish a purpose in the current hopeless existence, rather than wasting time chasing vanity.

Maximus69:
Your attitude is speaking in volume against your speech, if you and i will just live and die, and i've not come to snatch your bread, butter or cup of tea, why are you so disturbed about me?

I am only asking you to justify your faith in afterlife. Is that too big to ask? Ti ogun eni ba dání loju, a má fín gbari ni. Prove yourself for f sake.

Maximus69:
WHY? WHY? WHY? cheesy

Jesus loves you, that's why you must preach and teach your fellow man how to live a life of a brighter future. If there is no Jesus then there is no reason to disturb your brains about how i live my life Sir!

You have the responsibility of proving Jesus is real, not telling fantasies

Maximus69:
That's what makes you look so stupid with all the effort, resources, time and energy you've been wasting on this issue! Job 5:13 cheesy

The effort, resources, time and energy streamed from 1thes 5:21. Test all things and hold unto that which is truth.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 4:12pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:

Now I doubt you are intelligence officer if you don't see the glaring correlation between the topic and the operation the army. Is it not vivid enough that;
i. Christians like Soldiers are commissioned personnel.
ii. Christians have rhe responsibility of preaching the gospel, much like Soldiers have duty to protect the sovereignty on the state.
iii. Christians are compelled to convert non-Christians, while Soldiers are obligated to subdue their enemy.
iv. Failing in their duty, Christians are likely to be punished like Jonah. Same way Soldierd would be punished by the Army for negligence.
v. Using pascal wager, I can argued that I didn't believe in historicity of the gospel because you neglected your duty of convincing and converting me. 1 Pet 3:15. And you take all the blames.
I read the 48 laws of power written by Robert Greene, one chapter every day. And I see Greene citing King Arthur and figures from ancient folktales.
For heaven sake, I quoted the bible on what Jesus said, it didn't mean Jesus existed. I can go on and on quoting Ifa likewise, didn't mean the folktales in Ifa corpus is real.

That's where you failed woefully Sir! cheesy

Christians were commissioned to search for "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" NOT people who have nothing to do with the idea of God, a brighter future or destruction of evildoers! cheesy

Our target are those who cares but can't find the true religion on their own!
That's the meaning of the word "SHEEP"

So since you don't believe in the destruction of the wicked or end of badness, there are billions who care and are eagerly anticipating the end of badness. They are our priority Sir NOT nonchalant freethinkers like you! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 4:15pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:


No sir. You are human and your well-being is my concern. Though not for your own sake but for the sake of humanity, I wouldn't deny my omo iya life.



Stop making the discourse a form of me against you. That is a syndrome of religiosity. The author of Ecclesiastic said life have no purpose, and every thing is vanity. It is not my saying but the author of eccl.

Meanwhile, I said and will always say that you should establish a purpose in the current hopeless existence, rather than wasting time chasing vanity.



I am only asking you to justify your faith in afterlife. Is that too big to ask? Ti ogun eni ba dání loju, a má fín gbari ni. Prove yourself for f sake.



You have the responsibility of proving Jesus is real, not telling fantasies



The effort, resources, time and energy streamed from 1thes 5:21. Test all things and hold unto that which is truth.

For the sake of humanity, the best thing to do is check through the ideology of your fellow man and think if there is any danger to your well-being or the society, in the absence of that the best thing is move ahead in search of those whose mindset or opinion is a menace to humanity.

Your (omo ìyá) is everywhere my friend, it depends on those who share your line of thought NOT when you feel unnecessarily disturbed about someone whose religious beliefs has rendered him harmless in the neighborhood whereas there are thousands of individuals around you with evil thoughts but just nursing it in their brains due to fear of the authorities!

You're just crying for nothing my friend, there are billions of people out there who need my attention than wasting my precious time on you for no just course.

If truthfully you want to show love to your fellow man, just appreciate me for who i am (harmless and peace loving citizen) since i'm no threat to your life my friend! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by LordReed(m): 5:02pm On Mar 15
FOLYKAZE:


Hahahaha

If Skeletal remains of Jehohanan, 1st-century CE crucifixion victim from Givat HaMivtar in Jerusalem, with a nail still lodged inside the heel bone can be found, he will most likely find the skeletal remains of Jesus. That is if he didn't ascended to heaven with flesh and bones.

Wow! Can you imagine? Just an ordinary man and they can find evidence but for a whole Jesus, nothing but stories.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 6:39pm On Mar 15
LordReed:


Wow! Can you imagine? Just an ordinary man and they can find evidence but for a whole Jesus, nothing but stories.

Are you also carried away with his persuasive arguments of no benefits?

Well i'm not surprised, you're always interested in verification even when you're seeing the effect of what you heard, it's like "the book" says those who arived the tomb earlier the third day couldn't find Jesus' body in the tomb.

So how do you expect his bones to be found when the body has been removed? smiley

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