A former Senate President, Chief Ken Nnamani, on Wednesday said the North would determine the winner of the presidential nomination of the Peoples Democratic Party.



He said the majority of the delegates that would choose the presidential candidate would be coming from the north and that the region should not be treated with levity.



Nnamani spoke at the National Stakeholders Conference, which was held in Abuja by those in support of zoning.



He said about 61 per cent of the delegates that would vote for the party’s presidential ticket would be coming from the north.



With this figure, he said the southern part of the country would be left with a mere 39 per cent of the delegates.



According to him, “Our brothers from the north are going to produce 61 per cent of the delegates. They (the people from the north) have the strength to keep power to themselves.



“Those who are against zoning are products of history and opportunists. I was a product of zoning myself.”



The former senate president said that in Switzerland, rotational presidency was being practised, adding that it had helped in stabilising the country.



Also speaking at the occasion, former Vice President Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, who is the consensus candidate of the north, called on the leadership of the Peoples Democratic Party to reform the party before it becomes irrelevant.



He said, “If the PDP does not reform, it stands the risk of making itself irrelevant.”



A former senate president, Dr. Iyorcha Ayu, also debunked the claim that the north was always in the habit of dominating the rest of the country politically.



He said, “The north released my former boss, Obasanjo from prison, pardoned him, raised money for his campaign even when he was rejected by his people, we still made him president.”



In his remarks, a former military dictator, Gen. Ibrahim Babangida (retd.) warned that abandoning zoning would be injurious not only to the PDP but the entire nation.


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My problem with people who condemn zoning as planned by PDP is that those people are not sincere in thier arguments. No one has ever said that anyone from the south, east, north, west or central should not contest for the office of presidency. At issue is what PDP agreed to in their constitution. If Jonathan as a qualified Nigerian desires to contest, he can always do that through another party. There are other presidential candidates from the South, no one is stopping them. It is a simple issue

“[b]Our brothers from the north are going to produce 61 per cent of the delegate[/b]s. They (the people from the north) have the strength to keep power to themselves.

“Those who are against zoning are products of history and opportunists. I was a product of zoning myself.”

I always wonder why the uneducated grows so much in number.

Before nko

That is why zoning is the only way out

Without zoning, the north could, theoretically, rule for 40 yrs straight!


Where is DapoBear?

Nnamani is just another Uncle Tom. This Toad-looking Atiku threathen your people and you have the nerve side with such a man?! Basically he's saying you northerners are our daddys(61%) and we southerners(39%) aint shyt, so we have no choice but to get on our knees and open our mouths. I have totally lost the little respect that i had for that guy.

^^^^

Why are you so irrational

He is just being truthful

What else do you want from him

in the end, people vote along tribal line, just as how people for the most part vote along racial line in the US.

strangerf:

^^^^

Why are you so irrational

He is just being truthful

What else do you want from him

in the end, people vote along tribal line, just as how people for the most part vote along racial line in the US.

Do you know that this problem with zoning would not be had previous agreements been abided by by these same people? was obasanjo suppose to have 4 years or 8?

chyz:

Do you know that this problem with zoning would not be had previous agreements been abided by by these same people? was obasanjo suppose to have 4 years or 8?

So far there is no problem

OBJ, and by extension the Yoruba, was supposed to spend 8 yrs, which he did successfully.

Yaradau was also supposed to spend another 8 yrs, but he died, and to prevent a heated polity, an Ijaw man was alllowed to become the president. However, to our surprise, it seems the Ijaw man is unwilling to handover as expected, hence the hullaballoo about ZONING.

The problem here is GEJ, hopefully he would come back to his senses.
Untill we know the PDP nominee for 2011, so far so good!


So an Hausaman is supposed to spend 8 yrs as well, after which power would be transferred to the Igbos. So far we are still on course, as long as GEJ handovers to ATiku. Then the Igbos can spend their own 8 yrs however they want.

strangerf:

So far there is no problem

OBJ, and by extension the Yoruba, was supposed to spend 8 yrs, which he did successfully.

Yaradau was also supposed to spend another 8 yrs, but he died, and to prevent a heated polity, an Ijaw man was alllowed to become the president. However, to our surprise, it seems the Ijaw man is unwilling to handover as expected, hence the hullaballoo about ZONING.

The problem here is GEJ, hopefully he would come back to his senses.
Untill we know the PDP nominee for 2011, so far so good!


So an Hausaman is supposed to spend 8 yrs as well, after which power would be transferred to the Igbos. So far we are still on course, as long as GEJ handovers to ATiku. Then the Igbos can spend their own 8 yrs however they want.

Wrong, they said OBJ was suppose to only spend 4 years in presidency but he outsmarted them and rigged himself in for an additional 4 years so in actuality their(term) is up by 2011.Nnamani is dumb if he thinks those northerners all wont decamp befor 2015 lol.

^^^

Go back and read the TELL magazine that was published after the 2003 PDP primaries on how the presidential primary was won and lost

They offered the post to the Yoruba for 8 years, reason why ANPP also fielded a Yoruba man, Falae, as well in 2003

Now I do agree that Ekwueme contested in 2003, he only did that because of his stubborness. Okadigbo and other Igbos never supported Ekwueme's candidature for obvious reasons, not because he wasnt competent, as a matter of fact he was the best candidate in 2003. Too bad he belongs to the PDP.

GEJ is just being stupit. His actions would make it harder for future Ssoutherner politicians. And Ohaneze coming out to support GEJ is just foolish and risky. If the SE is not careful, they might lose out in 2015, and may lose to a Yoruba in 2019 as well.

strangerf:

^^^

Go back and read the TELL magazine that was published after the 2003 PDP primaries on how the presidential primary was won and lost

They offered the post to the Yoruba for 8 years, reason why ANPP also fielded a Yoruba man, Falae, as well in 2003

Now I do agree that Ekwueme contested in 2003, he only did that because of his stubborness. Okadigbo and other Igbos never supported Ekwueme's candidature for obvious reasons, not because he wasnt competent, as a matter of fact he was the best candidate in 2003. Too bad he belongs to the PDP.

GEJ is just being stupit. His actions would make it harder for future Ssoutherner politicians. And Ohaneze coming out to support GEJ is just foolish and risky. If the SE is not careful, they might lose out in 2015, and may lose to a Yoruba in 2019 as well.

This is a PDP affair.just because gej stays past 2011 doesnt mean an igbo or yoruba cant become president.however, in order for gej to keep shyt in the south i suggest he gets the population and ethnic numbers(census) corrected to prevent the north from lying with fake figures of votes.

^^unfortunately he's so dumb to think of that. Thinks he can beat the north in a free and fair election. Democracy a game of numbers.

revolt:

^^unfortunately he's so dumb to think of that. Thinks he can beat the north in a free and fair election. Democracy a game of numbers.

Democracy is not only a game of numbers but trust. With trust, the participants can build consensus among themselves. Block-headed GEJ has broken whatever element of political trust knitted by PDP.

Dede1:


Democracy is not only a game of numbers but trust. With trust, the participants can build consensus among themselves. Block-headed GEJ has broken whatever element of political trust knitted by PDP.

okay, Northern leaders or crooks

Nnamani is right, given the number of PDP delegates from North versus South
But shouldn't the question we should be asking be how come the North have far more delegates than the South.
North=19 states
South =17 states

Even if we have equal delegates from each state, the difference should not be much from just the two states difference
But Kano alone has more delegates that several southern states combined
Why is this so?
Only a political charlatan will blame Nnamani for stating an obvious truth.

Akin-Egba:

Nnamani is right, given the number of PDP delegates from North versus South
But shouldn't the question we should be asking be how come the North have far more delegates than the South.
North=19 states
South =17 states

Even if we have equal delegates from each state, the difference should not be much from just the two states difference
But Kano alone has more delegates that several southern states combined
Why is this so?
Only a political charlatan will blame Nnamani for stating an obvious truth.

Nonsensical reasoning, how could you said that when we all know that the North count goats as men in census

HERE IS THE PDP ZONING FORMULAR AS DRAWN IN 1998 AS :

ASSUMING 2 TERMS EACH:



PRESIDENT V. P. SEN. PRES H. OF REP

1999 SW NE SE NW

2007 NW SS NC SW

2015 SE NC SS NE

2023 NE SW NW SE

2031 SS NW SW NC

2039 NC SE NE SS

Democracy and Politics are games only grown ups can play.

One day Chyz is encouraging GEJ to single-handedly correct all the ills in the South-East for him, another day he wants GEJ to correct census figures, sounds to me like he is asking GEJ to make up the numbers.

Why he does not also consider the fact that one day GEJ will leave office and the next President's priority if he happens to come from the North will be to re-correct GEJ's correction. What do we have, a case of every Government playing politics with serious issues like Census figures.

What we need is a long term solution of Nigeria's problems not the kind of justice that can only survive the life of one President.

So if you have zoning, there is no need to lie about census figures in order to rig elections because power will definitely come to your region anyway.
If we have true Fedralism where every zone is self sufficient, there is no need to lie about census figures anyway because since your zone no longer depends on allocation from the centre then no need to forge census figures because anybody doing so will be decieving themselves.

If we have devolution of power and State policing, then policing policies will be based on local needs not demons who get posted to other parts of the country to molest Nigerians.

These are Policies IBB stood for, these are policies Soludo has called for, these are policies Atiku will stand for. Has Jonathan had the courage to tell us where he stands on any of these issues? NO. He is afraid, all he wants is to win elections. On a week when the CBN Governor talked about waste in Government due to NASS overhead. where is Jonathan's leadership on that issue? None!!! Rather what we got is a record hike in Budget to over 4 trillion.

Jonathan's solution to everything is to even spend more without accounting for his previous expenditures. Trust me only illiterates will support Jonathan, only minority fools will follow Jonathan and dump zoning. He is not the President Nigeria needs at this time.

He clearly can not be the legitimate candidate of PDP. He is not good enough for the nation to extend his time in office by 1 minute.

Nnamani, may seem like Uncle Tom in your eyes but he knows what he is doing, so do the likes of Ekwueme, Soludo, Kalu Idika Kalu, prof AB Nwosu.

Jonathan will only lead his illiterate followers into a pit.

According to him, “Our brothers from the north are going to produce 61 per cent of the delegates. They (the people from the north) have the strength to keep power to themselves.



[size=16pt]“Those who are against zoning are products of history and opportunists. I was a product of zoning myself.” [/size]

Thank you uncle Ken Nnamani.

The reason I want you to be Atiku's VP. . .

Please educate Nigerian imbec-les!

Dede1:


Democracy is not only a game of numbers but trust. With trust, the participants can build consensus among themselves. Block-headed GEJ has broken whatever element of political trust knitted by PDP.

Dede1 do you actually think ohanaeze and majority of other igbo be supporting GEJ if trust wasn't broken before(by the northerners)? Lets build trust after records are corrected.The northerners got themselves into this situation by rigging in yaradua, so that's their problem.

unfortunately FOR GJ (not nigeria), the north would determine the presidential ticket.

well, thats why i vote vote for ACN and i would encourage all good nigerians that are tired of PDP to do the same. how can a cabal determine the future of this country and yet you want to vote for them? ITS TIME FOR CHANGE!!!

chyz:

Dede1 do you actually think ohanaeze and majority of other igbo be supporting GEJ if trust wasn't broken before(by the northerners)? Lets build trust after records are corrected.The northerners got themselves into this situation by rigging in yaradua, so that's their problem.

I do not care what Ohanaeze does because I am not a member of the political party. As of what you referred as “majority of other Igbo supporting of GEJ” is quantitatively irrelevance as regards the polity in Nigeria. Whatever northern region of Nigeria did with Yar Adua based on the PDP’s constitutional stipulation about zoning formula remains northern region’s political trophy. I am still at lost what political intuition that spurred GEJ to pick Sambo as VP instead a fellow from either south or so-called south-south. Politics is a game fraught with intrigues and unwelcome pattern of unparallel inconsistency. Even when the political pendulum swings to the south by obeying the PDP 7-2C, there should be politics to be hashed out. But the issue of GEJ and the ill-educated support of GEJ by the so-called Ohanaeze are not setting a landmark of political precedence to encourage any political trust.

marcdunu:

Democracy and Politics are games only grown ups can play.

One day Chyz is encouraging GEJ to single-handedly correct all the ills in the South-East for him, another day he wants GEJ to correct census figures, sounds to me like he is asking GEJ to make up the numbers.

Why he does not also consider the fact that one day GEJ will leave office and the next President's priority if he happens to come from the North will be to re-correct GEJ's correction. What do we have, a case of every Government playing politics with serious issues like Census figures.

What we need is a long term solution of Nigeria's problems not the kind of justice that can only survive the life of one President.

So if you have zoning, there is no need to lie about census figures in order to rig elections because power will definitely come to your region anyway.
If we have true Fedralism where every zone is self sufficient, there is no need to lie about census figures anyway because since your zone no longer depends on allocation from the centre then no need to forge census figures because anybody doing so will be decieving themselves.

If we have devolution of power and State policing, then policing policies will be based on local needs not demons who get posted to other parts of the country to molest Nigerians.

These are Policies IBB stood for, these are policies Soludo has called for, these are policies Atiku will stand for. Has Jonathan had the courage to tell us where he stands on any of these issues? NO. He is afraid, all he wants is to win elections. On a week when the CBN Governor talked about waste in Government due to NASS overhead. where is Jonathan's leadership on that issue? None!!! Rather what we got is a record hike in Budget to over 4 trillion.

Jonathan's solution to everything is to even spend more without accounting for his previous expenditures. Trust me only illiterates will support Jonathan, only minority fools will follow Jonathan and dump zoning. He is not the President Nigeria needs at this time.

He clearly can not be the legitimate candidate of PDP. He is not good enough for the nation to extend his time in office by 1 minute.

Nnamani, may seem like Uncle Tom in your eyes but he knows what he is doing, so do the likes of Ekwueme, Soludo, Kalu Idika Kalu, prof AB Nwosu.

Jonathan will only lead his illiterate followers into a pit.

I fight this hilarious, "These are Policies IBB stood for, these are policies Soludo has called for, these are policies Atiku will stand for." The policies IBB stood  for screwed up our economy. If these are the same policies the two drags believe in then they might as well sit down and stay put. Both IBB and Atiku threatened the lives of people the swore to protect is president and you think we'd just fold our hands and accept people like that? Hilarious. These same Igbo dudes have been wining and dining with the northerners yet yet we are to have a 6th or 7th state. We igbo from delta have been asking for our own state since 1951 yet we aren't allowed. Do you think an Atiku is going to allow us to cede to the SE + add an additional state made out of the southeast to make the amount of states egual? I think not. The Enugu International Airport just started its services today.Phase 2 to finally seal the deal of completion will be in june.Do you thing Atiku will not scuttle that and ultimately try and have the airport dismantled? I think so. I will there be more of a chance of the Niger bridge getting built with an Atiku presidency or GEJ? i think GEJ, and im pretty sure the northerners think that also. Bros, there are far more reason why we igbo would choose GEJ over IBB or Atiku. There are none for IBB or Atiku.What should my reason be for voting them, an Igbo president? Look let me make this clear, I don't care about that.

You say all GEJ wants to do is win elections,is that not what IBB and Atiku want to do lol? After he wins the election then he can be comfortable and make the move that you've accused him of being afraid to make.

Ileke-IdI:

I always wonder why the uneducated grows so much in number.

What? the  most populated regions of the world are inhabited by some of the most illiterate as well. Why would an educated person, who understands that having kids you cannot raise is wrong, have 22 kids and 6 wives he depends on foreign aid to feed? ROFLMAO!

jason12345:

unfortunately FOR GJ (not nigeria), the north would determine the presidential ticket.

well, thats why i vote vote for ACN and i would encourage all good nigerians that are tired of PDP to do the same. how can a cabal determine the future of this country and yet you want to vote for them? ITS TIME FOR CHANGE!!!

And if GEJ doesn't win the primary and decamps, who then will  you vote for?

Ochi_Agha:

This is very true. Especially as it pertains to Africa. People feel comfortable with voting for their ethnic group. President Jonathan needs accurate census figures. Especially when it deals with the South-East, which is the most densely populated region in Africa and the world in general. Accurate population figures from the South will help him much.

However, I do not doubt Hausa-Fulani numbers either. There are quite a large number of them. And you will find Hausas in most West African nations. Remember that Hausa is considered a lingua franca in West Africa. But the Hausa heartland is in Northern Nigeria. Kano is densely populated.

South East is the most densely populated region in AFRICA? Democracy is a game of Numbers, especially true as it pertains to Africa?

Is it that you folks like to LIE to yourselves so you can feel better with these delusions or something?

chyz:

And if GEJ doesn't win the primary and decamps, who then will  you vote for?

If he decamps to a progressive party ( and so far i can only see one ACN) then he has my vote and my family's  even if he is an igbo or hausa man and he is a progressive thinking man in a progressive oriented party then i would vote for him!!!but i really doubt he would decamp!

Dede1:

I do not care what Ohanaeze does because I am not a member of the political party. As of what you referred as “majority of other Igbo supporting of GEJ” is quantitatively irrelevance as regards the polity in Nigeria. Whatever northern region of Nigeria did with Yar Adua based on the PDP’s constitutional stipulation about zoning formula remains northern region’s political trophy. I am still at lost what political intuition that spurred GEJ to pick Sambo as VP instead a fellow from either south or so-called south-south. Politics is a game fraught with intrigues and unwelcome pattern of unparallel inconsistency. Even when the political pendulum swings to the south by obeying the PDP 7-2C, there should be politics to be hashed out. But the issue of GEJ and the ill-educated support of GEJ by the so-called Ohanaeze are not setting a landmark of political precedence to encourage any political trust.

Why the hell would GEJ pict someone from the south, in a critical time like this?Lol. F*ck trust, its only about interest.There is nothing like "friends" in politics. Once Igbo recognize this then the roads will become smoother(literally and figuratively ).

Kobojunkie:

South East is the most densely populated region in AFRICA? Democracy is a game of Numbers, especially true as it pertains to Africa?

Is it that you folks like to LIE to yourselves so you can feel better with these delusions or something?

I wonder o, my sister.

By the time these politicians lets the already deceased, animals, and grains of sand finish voting,  even those alive people 's vote  wont matter.

Kobojunkie:

South East is the most densely populated region in AFRICA? Democracy is a game of Numbers, especially true as it pertains to Africa?

Is it that you folks like to LIE to yourselves so you can feel better with these delusions or something?

Try googling it bytch.