TAO11:
Lieutenant John King, R.N. who visited the Benin area sometimes between 1815 and 1820 has the following to say about the actual crown (i.e. the primary/initial crown) of the Itsekiri nation:

“At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”.

~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1.

This description of the primary Itsekiri crown (from J. King’s eyewitness observation) matches nothing else but the signature Yoruba crowns popularly known as: Adé-Ńlá which is said by the Yoruba kingdoms holding them to be the actual crown (design) with which the Ife princes originally left Ife to establish their own respective kingdom.

These Ade-Nla crowns are usually adorned only once during sacred installation rites by the kingdoms who hold such jewels. An example of what Ade-Nla crowns look like is as attached below.


The logical implication of the foregoing information is that this primary (or “actual”) crown of the Itsekiris is the actual crown (among his royal share) with which Ginuwa left the Benin palace in the mid/late-1400.

It then follows logically that the Benin palace itself is a Yoruba place (in a foreign land) as have been noted by the early received Benin traditions as well as the Yoruba traditions which notes that Ade-Nla was given to the princes from IFE as a part of their royal gifts.

This explains, more clearly, why his (Ginuwa’s) group was accepted by the autochthonous group of the land without any resistance — i.e. an Ade-Nla crown which established his legitimacy as a “son” of Oodua.

History proves itself again for the umpteenth time.

Cc: lx3as

samuk:
[s]You are so full of sxxxxt. You gave a reference that described Warri crown and went ahead to claim it as Yoruba even when your reference never said so.

This is how you deceive your brain dead gullible followers.

The new Olu of Warri told your Ooni and the world that his lineage is from Benin during his coronation speech. Mind you, Oba of Benin was not in attendance but the representative of the Benin monarch performed their role. What role did the Ooni and Yoruba performed, the new Olu almost didn't get the crown simply because his mother is Yoruba.

You also produce a reference to Oba Ovonramwen calling on his father Oba Adolor and without any reference to Yoruba or Ife but like always, you dubiously inserted that the Benin monarch was of Yoruba origin.

The Benin/Ife Oduduwa myth started after the reigns of Oba Ovonramwen. Your reference in which Oba Ovonramwen called on his father, the late Oba Adolor and not Oduduwa should have been enough reason for you to know that any reference to Ife/Oduduwa in Benin history only began after Oba Ovonramwen.

ODUDUWA, IFE, OONI AND ORANMIYAN are not mentioned in Benin history until after the reign of Oba Ovonramwen.

Benin/Ife connection was created in late 1890s, same period the history of Oduduwa was written by Samuel Johnson drawing inspiration from Sultan Bello of Sokoto narrative of the origin of Yoruba written around 1824[/s].

TAO11:

This one is here still fighting his inner demons.

I thought you had something new to say. I was very disappointed to find that it’s your usual self-consoling crap over which I have repeatedly humiliated you.

Facts beat Rants any day my dear.

macof:
You can feel his pains in the realisation that the warri kingdom once used a Yoruba crown

AreaFada2:

I have seen many mumu Yoruba people arguing here over the years but yours takes the biscuit.

macof:


You can feel his pains in the realisation that the warri kingdom once used a Yoruba crown

samuk:


This is despite the fact that the new Olu told your Ooni and the entire world the history of the Warri crown in his widely televised coronation speech. According to the new Olu, the Warri monarchy have used three crowns since inception.

1. The first was brought from Benin by Ginuwa, a Benin prince who is the ancestors of Warri monarchs

2. Silver crown imported from Portugal around the 1700s, this was the one that was stolen recently.

3. The current golden crown used in this year's coronation after the silver crown was stolen.

There is no reference to Yoruba crown in the history of Warri crowns as narrated by the new Olu.

If you guys can lie about what was recently narrated by the new Olu in just few weeks back, I only pity anyone that believe your stories.

The coronation speech is all over the internet, go and watch and listen to it on YouTube and stop making fool of yourselves on Nairaland.

Rather it's me that feels your pains, you guys tried claiming Benin, the Oba deny being Yoruba, you tried claiming Itsekiri, the Olu denied being Yoruba, insisting his ancestors are Benin, Oba of Lagos claims Benin ancestry.

What is left for you guys?

Maybe it's time, you start telling us about Ijebu, Oyo, Ekiti and other Yoruba clans history instead of trying to steal what are not yours, stop claiming other people's greatness and tell us about your own history devoid of old Benin empire.

Don't Yoruba have history devoid of Benin? Don't be ashamed, there are those here that enjoy fairytales which Yoruba history are mostly about.

TAO11:
Lieutenant John King, R.N. who visited the Benin area sometimes between 1815 and 1820 has the following to say about the actual crown (i.e. the primary/initial crown) of the Itsekiri nation:

“At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”.

~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1.

This description of the primary Itsekiri crown (from J. King’s eyewitness observation) matches nothing else but the signature Yoruba crowns popularly known as: Adé-Ńlá which is said by the Yoruba kingdoms holding them to be the actual crown (design) with which the Ife princes originally left Ife to establish their own respective kingdom.

These Ade-Nla crowns are usually adorned only once during sacred installation rites by the kingdoms who hold such jewels. An example of what Ade-Nla crowns look like is as attached below.


The logical implication of the foregoing information is that this primary (or “actual”) crown of the Itsekiris is the actual crown (among his royal share) with which Ginuwa left the Benin palace in the mid/late-1400.

It then follows logically that the Benin palace itself is a Yoruba place (in a foreign land) as have been noted by the early received Benin traditions as well as the Yoruba traditions which notes that Ade-Nla was given to the princes from IFE as a part of their royal gifts.

This explains, more clearly, why his (Ginuwa’s) group was accepted by the autochthonous group of the land without any resistance — i.e. an Ade-Nla crown which established his legitimacy as a “son” of Oodua.

History proves itself again for the umpteenth time.

Cc: lx3as

macof:


Below is an eye witness account as shared by your Lord and Master Tao
Shey you are always asking for EuRoPeaN EyewiTnEss aCcoUnt



Send your grievances to the proper chanel

samuk:


The eyewitness account didn't say the crown was of Yoruba origin. If you are not slow, you would have noticed that TAO11 is the one that concluded that the crown was of Yoruba origin. Guy you are not very smart, I must admit.

An Itsekiri prince was taken through hell that he eventually shed tears during his coronation just because he was unfortunate to have been born by a Yoruba woman, yet you guys are shamelessly claiming Itsekiri monarchy. Do you guys even know the meaning of shame.

The Itsekiri royalty was so protective of their heritage that they enacted a law banning any prince whose mother is not Itsekiri or of Edo origin from becoming an Olu, the current Olu almost lost the throne because his mother is Yoruba, yet you guys are still claiming Itsekiri monarchy as Yoruba.

macof:



Does this match the description or not?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/14263895_3a9b4cf8dca942e5a0762f5c302a0601_jpeg_jpegdb4fa1f0bb8140b17bd29663de4838c6

samuk:


The same way you guys said East match the description of West

You guys are more than comedians, you are trying your hands on magic by trying to convert East to West. Anybody that can claim a location East is now West are capable of any lies and shouldn't be taken seriously.

macof:
Case closed then
We all know what the answer to my question is

TAO11:


My heart goes out to the poor Benin boy.




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More PTSD For Him:
“At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”.

~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1.


An example of an Ade-Nla is attached below. In other words, the first crown of the Itsekiri nation is a Yoruba Ade-Nla crown.

In sum, the Benin palace (from where Ginuwa left for Ode-Itsekiri) derived the aforementioned crown from Yorubaland — Ile-Ife to be precise.

✌

Cc: lx3as

TAO11:
A Summary of Samuk’s Humiliation:

Me:
The attached is an example of a Yoruba crown — Ade-Nla.

Samuk:
Yes! But

Me:
But what?

Samuk:
I think what happened was that the crown attached is an example of an Edo crown.

So therefore, you Yorubas actually borrowed and stole that crown style from us Edos.

Me:
For real? Please tell me more tales.

To make life easy for you, please pick any Edoid area of your choice and show me an example of the use of such attached Ade-Nla crown there. LMAO.

Samuk:
[Scratches Head].

Me:
In that case, I will have to wait patiently for your next gymnastics.

Till then, my name remains TAO11, Your Lord & Your Master.

✌

samuk:
[s]It's very satisfying to know that you and your fellow Yoruba revisionists are now caged and trapped within the period of the 1800s when your lies started.

Make any claim going forward and you will be requested for an eyewitness historical accounts to back up your claims. You know Yoruba eyewitness historical evidence doesn't go earlier than 1824.

1824 is when your eyewitness historical evidence began.

Benin will continue to be 400 years your senior in written history. No matter what you claim, you can't prove it earlier than 1824. 1824 is as far back Oyo/Ife eyewitness historical accounts goes. Benin goes back to the 1400s.

You can run along now and look for your mate to debate.[/s]

Mraphel:
These above questions comes to my mind about Edo state.



The Yorubas people are also native to Edo state like Esan, Afamai, Etc but why are edo people not giving Yoruba their deserved recognition in Edo state as a tribe in Edo state.

1. Many towns closed to Ore speaks the Yoruba language

2. Many towns in Akoko edo are yoruba migrants that settled in Edo state.

3. Many Yoruba kingship titles and chief titles in Edo state.

4. Many yoruba religions in Edo eg Ogun , Sango Oronmila, Ifa, Olokun , aiyelala etc

5. First oba of Bini (Yoruba) grandson of Oduduwa.

6. First onibilo of ibilo is Yoruba among others in Edo state

7. Many Edos bears Yoruba surnames



Then why are Edo people trying to put Yoruba at disadvantage in their Edo-state at all cost? These Edo yorubas are now afraid to bear Yoruba names because they will face discrimination of Jobs, tribe that will come with it...while the Edo people in Yoruba lands are not discriminated upon at all.

dangotesmummy:
They give Yorubas their due recognition, you just don't notice it.many families and households in Edo bear Yoruba surnames

Think4Myself:

No 1) True but that doesn't make them Yoruba, Yoruba is a majority ethnic group hence the influence

No 2). False, they are actually originally Binis(by ancestors) but they speak the Yoruba language due to its population.

No 3) the Oba of Bini kingship title is actually originally a Bini kingship title that some Yoruba kings appropriated cos of Bini empire dominance in the past, in fact the oba of Lagos was a Bini man in the past, he then lost his identity and became Yoruba then the other Yoruba kings started claiming an "oba" title.

No 4) False The Ogun religion is a Bini religion. No bini traditionalist person worships any other god like the ones you listed apart from Ogun. None of those god's are worshipped in any part of Edo state including the 2 Yoruba speaking towns in the state

No 5). False

No 6). I don't know about that(no opinion or fact)

No 7). Falllllllssssssseee!!!!! No Edo or Bini person bears Yoruba surnames
Where are you getting this rubbish from?
You just make up things in your head


Tao11
Tao12

Ayorichodua:
oba of Benin is a Yoruba man

AreaFada2:

Lol. Do you know people have spent decades of research doing research into these things?
The languages are not even similar.
Whereas nobody needs to tell you that Igbira and Yoruba are similar or that Benin and Urhobo or Degema are very close.

Again educate yourself properly. It's not my argument. It's convergence of local history, poetry and modern scientific research. Lmao oduduwa as a name sound like Benin name? �� Benin remains Yoruba colony because the king there is from Ile ife and you all use oba not your former ogiso or is oba not Yoruba language? Oba ba Lori ohun gbogbo if you understand Yoruba you will know

As we already know our SW people think they have monopoly of cleverness. Anyone not doing their bidding is stupid. Only tribal supremacy is important. Truth has no meaning. Even SW people bold enough to be objective are called "omale".

Oduduwa was an exiled Benin Prince. He didn't didn't descend from any bloody mountain, from any chain from heaven or magically wander across any God-forsaken Sahara desert from Israel or Arabia. The versions are so many that you should be ashamed telling your kids such humbug.

Quite pathetic for people who revel in and boast about being educated.

Ayorichodua:
oba of Benin is a Yoruba man

Ayorichodua:
oba of Benin is a Yoruba man

Think4Myself:

Wrong, oba of Lagos is a Bini man

Ayorichodua:
oba of Benin is a Yoruba man

Ayorichodua:
oba of Benin is a Yoruba man