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Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 4:29am On Aug 11
Happy new month
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 4:23am On Aug 12
Good morning

Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 8:16am On Aug 16
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Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 5:26pm On Aug 20
Pop cement .

Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 5:28pm On Aug 20
We have started working on our ceiling.

Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 11:31am On Aug 27
Izehieddie

This is one of our ongoing projects
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 1:28pm On Oct 11
What is going on with this project?


raymondFirstborn:
Izehieddie

This is one of our ongoing projects
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 1:47pm On Oct 11
haaa:
What is going on with this project?


Project is at finishing level now and Tilling is ongoing. One of the clients relatives is handling procurement of materials and like most clients he doesn't see the need for an engineer at the finishing stage(which is wrong), because an engineer who has an eye for interior design would do justice to a buildings interior.

I have been busy on other projects outside LAGOS, so I have not been able to monitor the project.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 3:16pm On Oct 11
Oh, and why cant you explain to your client reason why it is important to monitor finishing levels. Monitor means be there every time to oversight it.

But what is wrong in getting materials themselves? Or is it a contract that you will give the client quotations from Foundation till Finishing Levels and all the client will do is just to give you all the money at once?




raymondFirstborn:

Project is at finishing level now and Tilling is ongoing. One of the clients relatives is handling procurement of materials and like most clients he doesn't see the need for an engineer at the finishing stage(which is wrong), because an engineer who has an eye for interior design would do justice to a buildings interior.

I have been busy on other projects outside LAGOS, so I have not been able to monitor the project.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 4:07pm On Oct 11
haaa:
Oh, and why cant you explain to your client reason why it is important to monitor finishing levels. Monitor means be there every time to oversight it.

But what is wrong in getting materials themselves? Or is it a contract that you will give the client quotations from Foundation till Finishing Levels and all the client will do is just to give you all the money at once?







There's actually nothing wrong with clients getting materials themselves. Where problem starts is when the client is not onground to handle procurement themselves and they have to assign procurement to relatives.

When relatives handle procurement, in most cases they want to assume control, they want to head the project and this is when the engineer and client relatives clash.

In most cases the relative takes control and
sidelines the engineer, then the relative starts looking for avenues to make money for himself.

The only time client relatives and engineers work together without problems , is when the relative handling procurement has no moneytary gain in the project. Then both parties would work together.

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Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 4:43pm On Oct 11
I get it. Everyone seems to wanting something (money) when such things like a project is on-going.

My question is, why any engineers would not want to work with relatives? especially when they know at least one of the clients relatives will be in the picture.

I believe if any engineers doesnt like working with relatives, they should not take the contract to begin with.

Even with building construction companies, I believe a client or his/her relatives will be going to the site once a while to check how the building process is going.

As for engineers, their main objectives is to ensure the project is properly executed. How materials gets to the site shouldn't be none of their businesses. As the engineer, you have your own workers (team) that will deliver the work, your SUPERVISION FEES and all. Once all that is paid, whoever is handling the materials shouldn't be a problem. Unless if the so called engineer has his or her own monetary embezzlement agenda.

As I have mentioned in one of my previous comments, I know few people in that Estate which I believe they will have one or two relationships with the owners. I will talk to them to see what actually happened in this case.

I see no reason a client will say engineer ideas wouldnt be helpful again at the stage of that project. It does not make sense, unless if money to continue the project is the problem.

I will get back to the forum with what actually happened.

raymondFirstborn:



There's actually nothing wrong with clients getting materials themselves. Where problem starts is when the client is not onground to handle procurement themselves and they have to assign procurement to relatives.

When relatives handle procurement, in most cases they want to assume control, they want to head the project and this is when the engineer and client relatives clash.

In most cases the relative takes control and
sidelines the engineer, then the relative starts looking for avenues to make money for himself.

The only time client relatives and engineers work together without problems , is when the relative handling procurement has no moneytary gain in the project. Then both parties would work together.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 5:20pm On Oct 11
haaa:
I get it. Everyone seems to wanting something (money) when such things like a project is on-going.

My question is, why any engineers would not want to work with relatives? especially when they know at least one of the clients relatives will be in the picture.

I believe if any engineers doesnt like working with relatives, they should not take the contract to begin with.

Even with building construction companies, I believe a client or his/her relatives will be going to the site once a while to check how the building process is going.

As for engineers, their main objectives is to ensure the project is properly executed. How materials gets to the site shouldn't be none of their businesses. As the engineer, you have your own workers (team) that will deliver the work, your SUPERVISION FEES and all. Once all that is paid, whoever is handling the materials shouldn't be a problem. Unless if the so called engineer has his or her own monetary embezzlement agenda.

As I have mentioned in one of my previous comments, I know few people in that Estate which I believe they will have one or two relationships with the owners. I will talk to them to see what actually happened in this case.

I see no reason a client will say engineer ideas wouldnt be helpful again at the stage of that project. It does not make sense, unless if money to continue the project is the problem.

I will get back to forum with what actually happened.


I have worked with clients relatives both the good and bad.

This particular project

https://www.nairaland.com/5582817/construction-four-bedroom-bungalow-pent

The client is a nairalander , I worked with his dad throughout the project and we had a smooth relationship. Now his dad, as a business man understood that "when you involve an engineer you let him do his job without interference".

Engineers working with relatives isn't the issue, but the relatives need to understand that even though it's their Brother or sisters project, the engineer is "in charge".
Once the relative starts telling the engineer what to do , problem starts.

In some cases the relatives want to bring workers to site to make some money for themselves.(I don't have issues with this , so far as I have consented to it.)
Where I have issues is when the relative believes he doesn't need the engineers consent to bring workers to the site.
Truth is at the end of the day, if anything happens everyone would hold the engineer responsible, forgetting the client relative was involved.

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Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by sudenyou: 7:33am On Oct 12
Interesting----

raymondFirstborn:


I have worked with clients relatives both the good and bad.

This particular project

https://www.nairaland.com/5582817/construction-four-bedroom-bungalow-pent

The client is a nairalander , I worked with his dad throughout the project and we had a smooth relationship. Now his dad, as a business man understood that "when you involve an engineer you let him do his job without interference".

Engineers working with relatives isn't the issue, but the relatives need to understand that even though it's their Brother or sisters project, the engineer is "in charge".
Once the relative starts telling the engineer what to do , problem starts.

In some cases the relatives want to bring workers to site to make some money for themselves.(I don't have issues with this , so far as I have consented to it.)
Where I have issues is when the relative believes he doesn't need the engineers consent to bring workers to the site.
Truth is at the end of the day, if anything happens everyone would hold the engineer responsible, forgetting the client relative was involved.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by sudenyou: 7:39am On Oct 12
It is interesting, but who is telling the truth here?

sudenyou:
Interesting----

Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by bmarketing: 1:25am On Oct 13
What is the total cost of this project?
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 5:34am On Oct 13
bmarketing:
What is the total cost of this project?
Approximately N24m

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Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by bmarketing: 1:11am On Oct 14
raymondFirstborn:

Approximately N24m

Interesting
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 10:33am On Oct 14
Why is this engineer @Raymondfirstborn deleting my messages on his post and also reporting/blocking me? I think Nairalanders will be happy to know what happened on this topic.


bmarketing:


Interesting
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 11:05am On Oct 14
haaa:
Why is this engineer @Raymondfirstborn deleting my messages on his post and also reporting/blocking me? I think Nairalanders will be happy to know what happened on this topic.



I didn't any of your post boss.
It's the NL mods
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 11:06am On Oct 14
haaa:
Why is this engineer @Raymondfirstborn deleting my messages on his post and also reporting/blocking me? I think Nairalanders will be happy to know what happened on this topic.



I didn't report you.
It's the NL mods. I also had difficulty posting on the thread. If You report some one On a thread, except if you have broken any of the NL rules, then the post would be deleted.

But you have not broken any of the NL rules, so the mods won't delete your post.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 3:39pm On Oct 14
Np


raymondFirstborn:


I didn't report you.
It's the NL mods. I also had difficulty posting on the thread. If You report some one On a thread, except if you have broken any of the NL rules, then the post would be deleted.

But you have not broken any of the NL rules, so the mods won't delete your post.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 10:00am On Oct 15
IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY ONE OF THE RELATIVES YOU MENTIONED ABOVE THAT, THE ENGINEER WHO WAS IN-CHARGE UP TILL THE ROOFING LEVEL MIS-MANAGED THE PROJECT. DURING MY FINDINGS, I WAS TOLD THAT MR. RAYMONDFIRSTBORN BARELY GO TO THE SITE EVEN WHEN THE OWNER PAID HIS SUPERVISION MONEY. AGAIN, I WAS TOLD THAT, YOU ALWAYS INSTRUCT THE WORKERS TO WASTE MATERIALS SUCH AS POURING CONCRETE INTO PILLARS BLOCK HOLES, AND ALWAYS TELL THE WORKERS THAT, "THIS MONEY DEY." ABOUT THE WORKERS, I WAS INFORMED BY MY SOURCE THAT, YOU ARE USING THE SAME WORKERS WITHIN THE ESTATE WHICH THE RELATIVES HAS SAME ACCESS TO. THEY MENTIONED ABOUT GIVEN FALSE WINDOW QUOTATIONS TO EXTRACT MORE MONEY THAN USUAL FROM THE CLIENT. I WILL EXPLAIN THIS LATER.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS @RAYMONDFIRSTBORN ?



raymondFirstborn:


I didn't report you.
It's the NL mods. I also had difficulty posting on the thread. If You report some one On a thread, except if you have broken any of the NL rules, then the post would be deleted.

But you have not broken any of the NL rules, so the mods won't delete your post.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 12:20pm On Oct 15
Haaa



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This is a public forum , before making accusations, note that people's reputation are on the line.

I didn't mismanage this particular project, because I was partially in charge of labour and not involved in Procurement(materials).
The client paid worker's during casting of decking.
The client also paid the workers during blocksetting. He also handled roofing himself.


I was on-site most of the time.
Although considering I had other projects ongoing, It would be impossible to always be on the site 8hrs long. The only time I wasn't really present was during pop finishing.

Pouring materials into block holes is not a waste of material.

In situations were the blocks the owner supplied are weak blocks and are not up to standard, I can fill up the hollow in the block(this should be after other options have failed). But in this particular project I didn't fill up the blocks with concrete because there was no need for that.

WINDOW.

Let me address this, the client asked for quotation for the windows . I get a quote from the aluminum installer , I add my engineers fee to it , then send to the client. Anything wrong with that? In this particular case, after the aluminum fabricator got the first installment, he started work.

By the Time the client forwarded the next installment , prices of materials had increased.(anyone into aluminum can testify to this, between July - August - September, prices of aluminum went up.
Then the fabricator requested for more money.
80k extra to make up for increase In price of materials. Anything bad about that?
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 2:54pm On Oct 15
OKEY DOKIE @RAYMONDFIRSTBORN. I AM NOT MAKING ANY ACCUSATIONS AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLES' REPUTATIONS ARE ON THE LINE BUT MANY PEOPLE ALWAYS BLAME CLIENTS AND FAMILIES WHEN A BUILDING PROJECT STOP. I THINK IT IS TIME EVERYONE TAKES ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. I TRIED TO GET SCREEN MUNCH CONVERSATIONS TO SOLIDIFY MY POINT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW BUT THEY COULD NOT GET IT. HOW DID YOU ADD YOUR ENGINEER MONEY TO THE QUOTATION? DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING THIS TO US BECAUSE I GATHERED MY OWN PEICE OF THE INFO REGARDING THAT WINDOW SITUATIONS.


raymondFirstborn:
Haaa





This is a public forum , before making accusations, note that people's reputation are on the line.

I didn't mismanage this particular project, because I was partially in charge of labour and not involved in Procurement(materials).
The client paid worker's during casting of decking.
The client also paid the workers during blocksetting. He also handled roofing himself.


I was on-site most of the time.
Although considering I had other projects ongoing, It would be impossible to always be on the site 8hrs long. The only time I wasn't really present was during pop finishing.

Pouring materials into block holes is not a waste of material.

In situations were the blocks the owner supplied are weak blocks and are not up to standard, I can fill up the hollow in the block(this should be after other options have failed). But in this particular project I didn't fill up the blocks with concrete because there was no need for that.

WINDOW.

Let me address this, the client asked for quotation for the windows . I get a quote from the aluminum installer , I add my engineers fee to it , then send to the client. Anything wrong with that? In this particular case, after the aluminum fabricator got the first installment, he started work.

By the Time the client forwarded the next installment , prices of materials had increased.(anyone into aluminum can testify to this, between July - August - September, prices of aluminum went up.
Then the fabricator requested for more money.
80k extra to make up for increase In price of materials. Anything bad about that?

Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 3:23pm On Oct 15
Haaa

Contractors/engineers have a way of adding their fees to quotation. It's called markup.
An engineer can add a percentage for his fee to each unit of Windows what would be supplied.
Or can charge a flat rate.
But in this case percentage for markup was added for engineers fees .

Range is between 5% - %25 which is the standard around the world.
In the meantime , I would implore you to pull down the initial post you made about mismanagement, because that's wrong.

A building that I took over, and had to redesign.

Moreover this project has not stopped, I don't know who your source is and I don't know who you are . At the moment internal wall screeding is ongoing.
If I am chanced I would go to site and update this thread.
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 3:53pm On Oct 15
haaa:
OKEY DOKIE @RAYMONDFIRSTBORN. I AM NOT MAKING ANY ACCUSATIONS AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLES' REPUTATIONS ARE ON THE LINE BUT MANY PEOPLE ALWAYS BLAME CLIENTS AND FAMILIES WHEN A BUILDING PROJECT STOP. I THINK IT IS TIME EVERYONE TAKES ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. I TRIED TO GET SCREEN MUNCH CONVERSATIONS TO SOLIDIFY MY POINT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW BUT THEY COULD NOT GET IT. HOW DID YOU ADD YOUR ENGINEER MONEY TO THE QUOTATION? DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING THIS TO US BECAUSE I GATHERED MY OWN PEICE OF THE INFO REGARDING THAT WINDOW SITUATIONS.




A project that's still ongoing you say it has stopped.

I took over from lintel level.

Client bought materials and brought worker's that cast the decking. Client also brought workers that did blocksetting also.

During roofing , the client brought all roofing materials and engaged the services of money 121 for installation of roofing sheet.

So how would i mismanage a project where the clients relative is the project manager.?
Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by haaa: 8:49pm On Oct 15
OKAY, BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. ((((HOW DID YOU ADD YOUR ENGINEER MONEY TO THE QUOTATION? DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING THIS TO US BECAUSE I GATHERED MY OWN PEICE OF THE INFO REGARDING THAT WINDOW SITUATIONS)))))


raymondFirstborn:



A project that's still ongoing you say it has stopped.

I took over from lintel level.

Client bought materials and brought worker's that cast the decking. Client also brought workers that did blocksetting also.

During roofing , the client brought all roofing materials and engaged the services of money 121 for installation of roofing sheet.

So how would i mismanage a project where the clients relative is the project manager.?


Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by raymondFirstborn(m): 8:56pm On Oct 15
haaa:
OKAY, BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. ((((HOW DID YOU ADD YOUR ENGINEER MONEY TO THE QUOTATION? DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING THIS TO US BECAUSE I GATHERED MY OWN PEICE OF THE INFO REGARDING THAT WINDOW SITUATIONS)))))



I added a percentage to the unit cost of the Windows.8% in this case.

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