What do you think happens after we die?
Do we rest, and wait for [b]that [/b]day?
Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?
Is there really an hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?


Please back up post with religious facts.

I am not religious, so I dont think anything happens.
I think what happens is that your bode decomposes and that is the end

The whole idea of a day of reckoning, like the existence of God, is nothing more than delusion.

I have never felt the presence of a dead person; and, no one does.

Hell and heaven? I am not sure. I doubt their existence though!

Ileke-IdI:


What do you think happens after we die?
Do we rest, and wait for that [/b]day?
Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?
Is there really an hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

Please back up post with religious facts.

[b]@Ileke-IdI

Happy New Year in advance my one of a kind sista . . .

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Ileke-IdI:


What do you think happens after we die?

#1) What do you think happens after we die?

First, die in this context, is similar to passing through the departure gates at an airport (i.e. it’s one-way or in one direction)

Next, sleep is what happens after one dies. 

Sleep in the sense that, at this entry (i.e. after passing through the die-departure gate) one is oblivious or unconscious to the world (i.e. what is left behind)

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Ileke-IdI:


Do we rest, and wait for that [/b]day?

[b]#2) Do we rest, and wait for that day?

In relation to “Do we rest, and wait for that day?” 

Of course, we rest and wait for that day

Sleeping is rest or resting, isn’t it?

Pushing the boat further, everyone (i.e. man) is booked to fly once die and afterwards to be judged

Flying Death is like an appointment (i.e. say a prior arrangement or scheduled meeting)

"Wait" after checking in with or without excess luggages is similar to an airport lounge area (i.e. after passing through the die-departure gate)

where you wait in comfort (e.g. like Father Abraham) or in distress (e.g. like Lazarus) with with your ticket, boarding pass, baggage etc

until you're called to board the plane for judgment (i.e. wait was for that day)

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Ileke-IdI:


Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?

#3) Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?

It is a myth and untrue that our spirits roam free until the day of reckoning

The spirit does not roam about because after death the spirit is in a holding area (e.g. in a lounge area waiting . . . as in #2 above)

Spirits basically are without material form, body or substance [/b]and no man dead or alive has power over the spirit

It is worth mentioning that Adam was lifeless (i.e. not alive meaning literally dead) until God breathed into his nostrils

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Ileke-IdI:


Is there really an hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

[b]#4) Is there really a hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

Yes indeed, there really is a hell or heaven.

There are not made-ups

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Ileke-IdI:


Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

#5) Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

No, I haven’t ever felt and will never ever feel the presence of a dead person

Dead people have departed from the world. So why should I feel the presence of the non-living in the land of the living?

Dead people are like comic book cartoons or characters. They are inanimate

Dead people’s bodies disintegrates after death

Prior to the disintegration, dead bodies become spiritless (i.e. the spirits are transferred from this world to a lounge area waiting as in #2 above)

Spirits need a body to legally and lawfully operate on Earth

Spirits operating on earth without a body (e.g. animal or human bodies) are illegal immigrant and operating unlawfully

Do you recall the spirit that asked for permission to be cast out from a man specifically into a herd of swine?

The Holy Spirit is not exempted. It too needs a body (e.g. the church) (i.e. the body of Christ) to operate lawfully on earth

Dead people appearing to others are actually evil & dishonest spirits (e.g. demons) familiar with the departed (i.e. deceased) and the family

For ulterior and sinister moves, these dishonest spirits appear as ghosts or apparitions to deceive the unsuspecting and gullible family or relations of the deceased.

True to nature such spirits are the embodiment of unimaginable evil, shamelessness and filth

which is why they prefer rather to be cast out into a herd of swine as opposed to be disembodied and be in limbo

_{References: Genesis 2:7; Genesis 3:19; 1 Sam 28:7; 1 Sam 28:14; Job 34:15; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Ecclesiastes 8:8; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Mark 5:12; Luke 16:24; John 11:11; 2 Corinthians 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Hebrews 9:27;}

@Poster and others: « on: Today at 09:47:29 AM »
[Quote]What do you think happens after we die?
Do we rest, and wait for that day?[/Quote]Everyone will die, without any exception. All prophets of Almighty God will die on earth and shall be buried. And there is no rest for the disbelievers in Oneness of God. The denial of God in this respect is the greatest of all form of sins of disbelief.


[Quote]Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?[/Quote]The punishment for disbelievers begins from the point of death, when the soul is being extracted/separated from the body to make it lifeless.


[Quote]Is there really an hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?[/Quote]If there is no hell and paradise, then why the process of tests and laws to test on? Everything has its reward, the reason Paradise as Mercy while Hell as Justice are created. It is similar to appearance in court. Everyone wants to be found not guilty or not necessary to be punished for the offense because mercy is being shown by the court/judge.


[Quote]Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?[/Quote]If you ever saw a person die, the Quran will be alive to you. If you ever saw the eyes of dead person, you will wonder if they were trailing something disappearing. They are following the soul that is being carried away from the body.


[Quote]Please back up post with religious facts.[/Quote]I invite you to read the Quran. Check out from the index matters of death, the soul of human, Hell, Paradise, Reward for belief or disbelief, etc. You can google these things from Islamic perspective. May God Almighty open the Door of His Mercy to us so that we can accept His Guidance. Amin.

@poster, nothing happens when a man dies he dies, now let me back it up religiously as you have requested,

=ISLAMICALLY=
islamic is not a true religion her holy book were written by men several years after christianity, infact it was a slight photocopy of christianity. So deriving anything from it is totally useless. Now

=CHRISTIANITY=
This is also a false religion, am not a christian, neither am i a muslim, just kinda of theist, now the christendom or false christians say when one dies he goes to heaven or hell, this is false, as their bible says when one dies he seizes to exist, let me back my claim biblically, book of ecclessiatics 9 vs 4-9. This verse 5 says when one dies he dies all thinking are past, he knows nothing that goes on, now to further corrobrate with this, Thats same book around chapter 2 or 3, i mean the whole chapter tag man as a thing with the same hope of Animals, it says as animals dies without anything like spirit or soul being immortal so also man dies, now some christians will deny this, but it is clear that the bible never ever, i repeat never ever said when one dies he goes to Hell as a place of torment, the hell is the common Mankind Grave not a place of torment as depicted by most christians, some will tell you that the soul is immortal but its force the soul is not immortal, even the christian bible states in Ezekiel 18 vs 4. That the souls that sin shall die, now Y should the christian bible say the soul shall die yet christians deny this, also sis they (christians) will try deceiving you using the parable of the rich man and lazarus, well sister that was just a parable, and a parable is not a true story its just a fiction told by their so called christ, to make them understand their so called imaginary heaven, to bak this up read the book of luke 4 from verse 1 to 20. You will understand how jesus defined a parable this will tell you that parable is not real, also to further back my claims, does it sounds reasonable that a man dies and he can still see people or talked to God from the so called Darkness? After all christians say there is no relationship within them and darkness or will christians agree that they are confusing themselves?
2. Sister the book of revelation 22 verse 4 says that Hell and hades shall be throw into the lake fire, now does it sounds reasonable for fire who cant commit sin to be throw into another fire? No its not reasonable it means that the use of hell is symbolical not literal, it means it represent destruction,


Final Reasoning,
sister how will it sound if i offended you for some minutes and you told me to knee down outside raise my hands and eyes close? For the first time its normal, but as people pass by and ask me what happen if i tell them the will blame me, if the next day pass and am outside they will ask am i suffering for what happened yesterday, if i say yes people will have wrong feeling about you, if this continue for like only 3days people will say you are evil, yes because your act of punishment is evil, but now going in line with the wrong theory of Hell fire this is what the christian God does because he punish people for eternity on offence they committed in few days, this means Their GOD is EXTREMELY WICKED, but the christians will say no, is not after all their bible book of 1 John 4vs8 says their God is love. But is this the quality of love? No its not sister Ilkedi.

Also sister the christian bible says the WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, it never SAYS HELL FIRE, so Y ARE THIS STUPID BAST-ARD christians saying its hell fire. Sister In all what am trying to say is, when a man dies he dies, he goes to Hell and this Hell is the Grave not a place of torment like those liers do say. Now when one goes to the Grave he dies and thats all nothing like say he dey go Hell fire or Heaven, because they are total lies by christians, just please enjoy your life o.

so that when i see you with hummer i will HALLAT your boy

We know what happens when we 'die' based on the numerous accounts of near-death experiencers. These are individuals whose vital signs have completely ceased, and declared clinically dead - but are later revived.



Mellen-Thomas Benedict's  Near-Death Experience



Mellen-Thomas Benedict is an artist who survived a near-death experience in 1982. He was dead for over an hour and a half after dying of cancer. At the time of his death, he rose up out of his body and went into the light. Curious about the universe, he was taken far into the remote depths of existence, and even beyond, into the energetic void of nothingness behind the Big Bang. During his experience, he was able to learn a great deal of information concerning reincarnation. Because of his near-death experience, he was able to bring back scientific discoveries. Mr. Benedict has been closely involved in the mechanics of cellular communication and research dealing with the relationship of light to life called Quantum Biology. This research is providing dramatic new perspectives on how biological systems work. Mr. Benedict has found that living cells can respond very quickly to light stimulation resulting in, among other things, high speed healing. He is a researcher, inventor and lecturer who holds six U.S. patents.


Mr. Benedict's NDE is reprinted here by the permission of his friends Dr. Lee Worth Bailey and Jenny Yates.  Dr. Ken Ring remarked, "His story is one of the most remarkable I have encountered in my extensive research on near-death experiences."



The Road to Death

In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. The condition I had was inoperable, and any kind of chemotherapy they could give me would just have made me more of a vegetable. I was given six to eight months to live. I had been an information freak in the 1970's, and I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the planet. I saw no way that we could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived all humans as cancer, and that is what I got. That is what killed me. Be careful what your world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative healing methods, but nothing helped.

So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was not into any kind of spirituality at the time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alternative healing. I set out to do all the reading I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies. They were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side. 



The Light of God

I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 am, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up, but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me.  Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house.

There was this light shining. I turned toward the light. The light was very similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms.

As I began to move toward the light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the light, I would be dead.

So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go."

To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride.  So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs.

I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."

I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy.  The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.

As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.

So the light was showing me the Higher Self matrix. And it became very clear to me that all the Higher Selves are connected as one being, all humans are connected as one being, we are actually the same being, different aspects of the same being. It was not committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me. And I saw this mandala of human souls. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I just went into it and, it was just overwhelming. It was like all the love you've every wanted, and it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates.

As I asked the light to keep explaining, I understood what the Higher Self matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the Higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might say.

Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time.

I said, "I am ready, take me."

Then the light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet.

Now I came to this with my negative view of what has happened on the planet. So as I asked the light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant.

I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are."

At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are.

I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul.

I said, "How can this be?"

The answer was that no soul was inherently evil. The terrible things that happened to people might make them do evil things, but their souls were not evil. What all people seek, what sustains them, is love, the light told me. What distorts people is a lack of love.

The revelations coming from the light seemed to go on and on, then I asked the light, "Does this mean that humankind will be saved?"

Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying, "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself.  You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world."

In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about.

I thanked the light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was these simple words of totally appreciation:

"Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my life."

The light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the light was completely absorbing me. The love light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of light, vast and full, deep in the heart of life. I asked what this was.

The light responded, "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content."

So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of life Itself! I was in ecstasy.

Then the light said, "You have a desire."

The light knew all about me, everything past, present and future.

"Yes!" I whispered.

I asked to see the rest of the universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was carried through the light at the end of the tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush!

Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of life. I saw the Earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this universe! 

As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the universe! All creation passed by me. It was an unimaginable wonder! I truly was a wonder child; a babe in Wonderland!

It seemed as if all the creations in the universe soared by me and vanished in a speck of light. Almost immediately, a second light appeared. It came from all sides, and was so different; a light made up of more than every frequency in the universe.

I felt and heard several velvety sonic booms again. My consciousness, or being, was expanding to interface with the entire holographic universe and more.

As I passed into the second light, the awareness came to me that I had just transcended the truth. Those are the best words I have for it, but I will try to explain. As I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond infinity. I was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute life and consciousness.

When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a mind-expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the universe. I saw that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said Godhead periodically created new universes by breathing out, and de-creating other universes by breathing in. These epochs were called yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or yugas creating and de-creating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the void experience. I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence.

Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right now even while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You don't have to go anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it zero-point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the universe than anything else!

What mystics call the void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first word, which is the first vibration.

The Biblical "I am" really has a question mark after it.

"I am? What am I?"

So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. Through every piece of hair on your head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom, God is exploring God's Self, the great "I am". I began to see that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the void.

As I was exploring the void and all the yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about absolute pure consciousness, or God, coming into the experience of life as we know it. The void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre-life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than life and death. Therefore there is even more than life and death to experience in the universe!

I was in the void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God's eyes. I had become God. Suddenly I wasn't me anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking out of God's eyes. And suddenly I knew why every atom was, and I could see everything.

The interesting point was that I went into the void, I came back with this understanding that God is not there. God is here. That's what it is all about. So this constant search of the human race to go out and find God ,  God gave everything to us, everything is here - this is where it's at. And what we are into now is God's exploration of God through us. People are so busy trying to become God that they ought to realize that we are already God and God is becoming us. That's what it is really about.

When I realized this, I was finished with the void, and wanted to return to this creation, or yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do.

Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The superclusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a black hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another universe.

In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff.  Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent.


The Light of Love

As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge light coming. I knew it was the first light; the Higher Self light matrix of our solar system. Then the entire solar system appeared in the light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms.

I saw that the solar system we live in is our larger, local body. This is our local body and we are much bigger than we imagine. I saw that the solar system is our body. I am a part of this, and the Earth is this great created being that we are, and we are the part of it that knows that it is. But we are only that part of it. We are not everything, but we are that part of it that knows that it is.

I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an incredible light show! I could hear the music of the spheres. Our solar system, as do all celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced civilizations from other star systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The Earth's wonder child (human beings) make an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard of the universe.

I rode the stream directly into the center of the light. I felt embraced by the light as it took me in with its breath again, followed by another soft sonic boom.

I was in this great light of love with the stream of life flowing through me. I have to say again, it is the most loving, non-judgmental light. It is the ideal parent for this wonder child.

"What now?" I wondered.

The light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen.

I don't know how long I was with the light, in human time. But there came a moment when I realized that all my questions had been answered and my return was near. When I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my questions have been answered. Every human has a different life and set of questions to explore. Some of our questions are universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on every tree.

And that is very important to the rest of us in this universe. Because it all contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of life. We are literally God exploring God's Self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of life.


His Return to Earth

As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told, that I would return to the same body. It just did not matter. I had complete trust in the light and the life process. As the stream merged with the great light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side.

There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul.

Then I was taken back through the light into the vibratory realm again. The whole process reversed, with even more information being given to me. I came back home, and I was given lessons on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those little questions I had:

"How does this work?  How does that work?" I knew that I would be reincarnated.

The Earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves out of that into each one of us. I thought of myself as a human for the first time, and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God ,  this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, is a blessing to the planet, right where we are.

So I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere. But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and consciousness evolve. So I reincarnated back into this body.

I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this body, back in my room with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given up an hour and a half after finding me dead. She was sure I was dead; all the signs of death were there - I was getting stiff. We do not know how long I was dead, but we do know that it was an hour and a half since I was found. She honored my wish to have my newly dead body left alone for a few hours as much as she could. We had an amplified stethoscope and many ways of checking out the vital functions of the body to see what was happening. She can verify that I really was dead.

It was not a near-death experience. I experienced death itself for at least an hour and a half. She found me dead and checked the stethoscope, blood pressure and heart rate monitor for an hour and a half. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk", ran in and found me on the floor.

When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened to me. At first all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a dream than that one.

Within three days, I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had ever felt in my life. My memory of the journey came back later. I could see nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot of people were really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me. But I got clear on all that.

About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was afraid of getting bad news.

I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans, saying, "Well, there is nothing here now."

I said, "Really, it must be a miracle?"

He said, "No, these things happen, they are called spontaneous remission."

He acted very unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if no one else was.


The Lessons He Learned

The mystery of life has very little to do with intelligence. The universe is not an intellectual process at all. The intellect is helpful; it is brilliant, but right now that is all we process with, instead of our hearts and the wiser part of ourselves.

The center of the Earth is this great transmuter of energy, just as you see in pictures of our Earth's magnetic field. That's our cycle, pulling reincarnated souls back in and through it again. A sign that you are reaching human level is that you are beginning to evolve an individual consciousness. The animals have a group soul, and they reincarnate in group souls. A deer is pretty much going to be a deer forever. But just being born a human, whether deformed or genius, shows that you are on the path to developing an individual consciousness. That is in itself part of the group consciousness called humanity.

I saw that races are personality clusters. Nations like France, Germany and China each have their own personality. Cities have personalities, their local group souls that attract certain people. Families have group souls. Individual identity is evolving like branches of a fractal; the group soul explores in our individuality. The different questions that each of us has are very, very important. This is how Godhead is exploring God's Self - through you. So ask your questions, do your searching. You will find your Self and you will find God in that Self, because it is only the Self.

More than that, I began to see that each one of us humans are soul mates. We are part of the same soul fractaling out in many creative directions, but still the same. Now I look at every human being that I ever see, and I see a soul mate, my soul mate, the one I have always been looking for. Beyond that, the greatest soul mate that you will ever have is yourself. We are each both male and female. We experience this in the womb and we experience this in reincarnation states. If you are looking for that ultimate soul mate outside of yourself, you may never find it; it is not there. Just as God is not "there." God is here. Don't look "out there" for God. Look here for God. Look through your Self. Start having the greatest love affair you ever had ,  with your Self. You will love everything out of that.

I had a descent into what you might call hell, and it was very surprising. I did not see Satan or evil. My descent into hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that light, like a child calling to a parent for help. Then the light opened up and formed a tunnel that came right to me an insulated me from all that fear and pain. That is what hell really is.

So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together.

The light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you the angel of death?"

It expressed to me that it was my oversoul, my Higher Self matrix, a super-ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the light.

Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We are coming up with devices now that are sensitive to subtle energy or spirit energy. Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have got it down to quarks and charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that ,  God. With atomic colliders they are not only seeing what is in here, but they are creating particles. Thank God most of them are short-lived milliseconds and nanoseconds. We are just beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along.

As I saw forever, I came to a realm in which there is a point where we pass all knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create as we explore. And that is God expanding itself through us.

Since my return I have experienced the light spontaneously, and I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. Each one of you can do this. You do not have to die to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it already.

The body is the most magnificent light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body. That is not what is happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here.

The mind is like a child running around the universe, demanding this and thinking it created the world. But I ask the mind:

"What did your mother have to do with this?"

That is the next level of spiritual awareness. Oh! My mother!  All of a sudden you give up the ego, because you are not the only soul in the universe.

One of my questions to the light was, "What is heaven?"

I was given a tour of all the heavens that have been created: the Nirvanas, the Happy Hunting Grounds, all of them. I went through them. These are thought form creations that we have created. We don't really go to heaven; we are reprocessed.  But whatever we created, we leave a part of ourselves there. It is real, but it is not all of the soul.

I saw the Christian heaven. We expect it to be a beautiful place, and you stand in front of the throne, worshipping forever. I tried it. It is boring!  This is all we are going to do? It is childlike. I do not mean to offend anyone. Some heavens are very interesting, and some are very boring. I found the ancient ones to be more interesting, like the Native American ones, the Happy Hunting Grounds. The Egyptians have fantastic ones. It goes on and on. There are so many of them. In each of them there is a fractal that is your particular interpretation, unless you are part of the group soul that believes in only the God of a particular religion. Then you are very close, in the same ball park together. But even then, each is a little bit different. That is a part of yourself that you leave there. Death is about life, not about heaven.

I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet?  Which one is right?"

And Godhead said, with great love, "I don't care."

That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings here.

The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us, "It does not matter what religion you are."

They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on Earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "We do not need this any more."

Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers?  YES!

The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing.

Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

What happens when we dream? We are multi-dimensional beings. We can access that through lucid dreaming. In fact, this universe is God's dream. One of the things that I saw is that we humans are a speck on a planet that is a speck in a galaxy that is a speck. Those are giant systems out there, and we are in sort of an average system. But human beings are already legendary throughout the cosmos of consciousness. The little bitty human being of Earth/Gaia is legendary. One of the things that we are legendary for is dreaming. We are legendary dreamers. In fact, the whole cosmos has been looking for the meaning of life, the meaning of it all. And it was the little dreamer who came up with the best answer ever. We dreamed it up. So dreams are important.

After dying and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.

As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has been alive forever already.


To learn more about NDEs, visit:

www.near-death.com

Thank you guys for your reply. I previously asked for Bible/Quran verses to back up the posts. I didnt ask because I didnt trust you guys, but because I needed somewhere to look when I'm lost again. Thanks in advance.


e36991,
Can you please post the bible verses directly next to your points. Sorry, it was kinda ard going back and forth between the ref. and the post.  

e36991:

@Ileke-IdI

Happy New Year in advance my one of a kind sista . . .

Thank you, same to you  

e36991:


#1) What do you think happens after we die?

First, die in this context, is similar to passing through the departure gates at an airport (i.e. it’s one-way or in one direction)

Next, sleep is what happens after one dies. 

Sleep in the sense that, at this entry (i.e. after passing through the die-departure gate) one is oblivious or unconscious to the world (i.e. what is left behind)

When we pass thru that gate, is it then that we're judged?
Are we taken to a specific place to sleep?

GENESIS
19 By the sweat of your brow
  you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
  since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
  and to dust you will return.”

The body is made of sand, and when we die, we become sand.Is it our spirit the one that sleeps?
Why do some people believe that the spirit of their ancestry still watches over them? Is there a specific place in the bible that says that the spirit becomes oblivious to what it left behind?

#2) Do we rest, and wait for that day?

In relation to “Do we rest, and wait for that day?”

Of course, we rest and wait for that day

Sleeping is rest or resting, isn’t it?

Pushing the boat further, everyone (i.e. man) is booked to fly once die and afterwards to be judged

Flying Death is like an appointment (i.e. say a prior arrangement or scheduled meeting)

"Wait" after checking in with or without excess luggages is similar to an airport lounge area (i.e. after passing through the die-departure gate)

where you wait in comfort (e.g. like Father Abraham) or in distress (e.g. like Lazarus) with with your ticket, boarding pass, baggage etc

until you're called to board the plane for judgment (i.e. wait was for that day)

I like your analogy, explained things in a simplier manner.

There's the body, the spirit, and the soul.

The body becomes dust, I asked you previously what happens to the spirit. Now I'm going to ask about the soul.

Is our soul the burden we carry with us to this "airport"? Is our soul what determines where we go on the judgment day?

What happens if we do not believe in a higher being, but yet our soul is pure? [even tho man cannot determine what is pure]

Does our soul still rise to that heavenly place? or do we perish because we do not believe in a higher God?

And what is the difference between the soul and the spirit? What is their will/purpose?

#3) Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?

It is a myth and untrue that our spirits roam free until the day of reckoning

The spirit does not roam about because after death the spirit is in a holding area (e.g. in a lounge area waiting . . . as in #2 above)

Spirits basically are without material form, body or substance and no man dead or alive has power over the spirit

It is worth mentioning that Adam was lifeless (i.e. not alive meaning literally dead) until God breathed into his nostrils

Ok.

So what happens in that "lounge"?

Does the Bible tell us anything about a waiting room and it's purpose?

Does our earthly prayer have any effect on the lives of those we lost?

#4) Is there really a hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

Yes indeed, there really is a hell or heaven.

There are not made-ups

ROTFL! ahaha

#5) Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

No, I haven’t ever felt and will never ever feel the presence of a dead person

Dead people have departed from the world. So why should I feel the presence of the non-living in the land of the living?

Dead people are like comic book cartoons or characters. They are inanimate

Dead people’s bodies disintegrates after death

Prior to the disintegration, dead bodies become spiritless (i.e. the spirits are transferred from this world to a lounge area waiting as in #2 above)

Spirits need a body to legally and lawfully operate on Earth

Spirits operating on earth without a body (e.g. animal or human bodies) are illegal immigrant and operating unlawfully

Do you recall the spirit that asked for permission to be cast out from a man specifically into a herd of swine?

The Holy Spirit is not exempted. It too needs a body (e.g. the church) (i.e. the body of Christ) to operate lawfully on earth

Dead people appearing to others are actually evil & dishonest spirits (e.g. demons) familiar with the departed (i.e. deceased) and the family

For ulterior and sinister moves, these dishonest spirits appear as ghosts or apparitions to deceive the unsuspecting and gullible family or relations of the deceased.

True to nature such spirits are the embodiment of unimaginable evil, shamelessness and filth

which is why they prefer rather to be cast out into a herd of swine as opposed to be disembodied and be in limbo

Ok, so the spirit is what keeps us alive. The spirit is what allows our body/mind to operate.

And the soul. . . .?

We had a discussion about that particular herds of pigs/ spirit VERSE in my bible study class.  My belief is that the spirit were already unlawfully operating and were not sent by God. Does that mean unlawful  spirit could easily escape into our midst? Such as spirit in the waiting place?

Dead people appearing to others are actually evil & dishonest spirits (e.g. demons) familiar with the departed (i.e. deceased) and the family

Can you please quote the bible?

Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
  and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

What happens to the soul?

THE BOOK OF LUKE
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

  22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

  25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

@e36

In your posts, you explained to me that all the spirits await the time of judgment.
However, in this verse, when the rich man and Laz died. . . .they were immediately punished. The rich man in hell, and Laz comforted.

Sweetnecta:

@Poster and others: « on: Today at 09:47:29 AM »Everyone will die, without any exception. All prophets of Almighty God will die on earth and shall be buried. And there is no rest for the disbelievers in Oneness of God. The denial of God in this respect is the greatest of all form of sins of disbelief.

The punishment for disbelievers begins from the point of death, when the soul is being extracted/separated from the body to make it lifeless.

If there is no hell and paradise, then why the process of tests and laws to test on? Everything has its reward, the reason Paradise as Mercy while Hell as Justice are created. It is similar to appearance in court. Everyone wants to be found not guilty or not necessary to be punished for the offense because mercy is being shown by the court/judge.

If you ever saw a person die, the Quran will be alive to you. If you ever saw the eyes of dead person, you will wonder if they were trailing something disappearing. They are following the soul that is being carried away from the body.

I invite you to read the Quran. Check out from the index matters of death, the soul of human, Hell, Paradise, Reward for belief or disbelief, etc. You can google these things from Islamic perspective. May God Almighty open the Door of His Mercy to us so that we can accept His Guidance. Amin.

Why would the soul be separated from the spirit? Why is the spirit following the soul, whose soul?
So the full purpose of our soul is to lead us to [b]that [/b]place?


What does God really see?
1. Believers
2. Pure Soul

What if one dies without having heard of God? But is still pure?
What if one dies hearing the words of God, a believer, but yet unpure?

And how much weight does our last prayer and our last repentant worth on our judgment?

lagbaja20:









I am not religious, so I dont think anything happens.
I think what happens is that your bode decomposes and that is the end

The whole idea of a day of reckoning, like the existence of God, is nothing more than delusion.

I have never felt the presence of a dead person; and, no one does.

Hell and heaven? I am not sure. I doubt their existence though!

Thanks.

@ROSS/ Ymodulus

Thanks, will read thru

What do you think happens after we die?
Do we rest, and wait for that day?

I think there is an interim.  When you say "we", I assume you are making reference of the "soul entity"; because at the moment of death the life force (breath) departs and the body ceases animation.  

The planetary dimensions loses meaning to the dead so there is no reference or significance for time, distance and space.  People who died 5000 yrs ago and the person who died this morning are all on the same time plane. . . infinity!  

So we are held in wait - in interim - for the day of jusgement.  It might be another 5million years in the future, but to the dead souls it will seem like a minute. . .  there is no reference for time period!  Its a FLASH point after death!

Now, on the day of judgement. . . people like me of course can then rejoice in the 700 hundred virgins that are reserved in wait for me - they are trophy for my pious work here.

Negro_Ntns:

I think there is an interim.  When you say "we", I assume you are making reference of the "soul entity"; because at the moment of death the life force (breath) departs and the body ceases animation.  

The planetary dimensions loses meaning to the dead so there is no reference or significance for time, distance and space.  People who died 5000 yrs ago and the person who died this morning are all on the same time plane. . . infinity!  

So we are held in wait - in interim - for the day of jusgement.  It might be another 5million years in the future, but to the dead souls it will seem like a minute. . .  there is no reference for time period!  Its a FLASH point after death!

Now, on the day of judgement. . . people like me of course can then rejoice in the 700 hundred virgins that are reserved in wait for me - they are trophy for my pious work here.  

Are you serious @ the bolded?

I'm going to trail off a bit here; What does virginity signify in Islam? Why is the height of goodness rewarded with Virgin women/men?

700 virgins? how can I convert? Someone pls show me the way!

Are you serious @ the bolded?

I'm going to trail off a bit here; What does virginity signify in Islam? Why is the height of goodness rewarded with Virgin women/men?

Virginity signify purity - in its essence of desirability . . . . it is untouched, undefiled, no flaw, not fouled, uncorrupt, un-used, brand new, fresh, mint condition. The senses are delighted in its taste, smell, touch, sound, sight and the blossom of its beauty to the beholder is powerful and infectious. Its presence is intoxicating!

Is ileke-idi all of these attributes?

Negro_Ntns:


Virginity signify purity - in its essence of desirability . . . . it is untouched, undefiled, no flaw, not fouled, uncorrupt, un-used, brand new, fresh, mint condition. The senses are delighted in its taste, smell, touch, sound, sight and the blossom of its beauty to the beholder is powerful and infectious. Its presence is intoxicating!

Is ileke-idi all of these attributes?

Define virginity. One can be biologically virgin, but very much rotten in the mind/thought.
So is one really "uncorrupt" etc? What about half-way?


Of course nau. . . , me is tarzan

;DIleke has 6 children oooooooooooooooooooooooooo


no kill me wig laughter oooo

i lose my consciousness. . .until d-day judgment day.
the book of revelations elaborates more on this i think.

@Ileke Idi: « #8 on: Yesterday at 12:10:54 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 27, 2010, 04:31 PM
@Poster and others: « on: Today at 09:47:29 AM »Everyone will die, without any exception. All prophets of Almighty God will die on earth and shall be buried. And there is no rest for the disbelievers in Oneness of God. The denial of God in this respect is the greatest of all form of sins of disbelief.

The punishment for disbelievers begins from the point of death, when the soul is being extracted/separated from the body to make it lifeless.

If there is no hell and paradise, then why the process of tests and laws to test on? Everything has its reward, the reason Paradise as Mercy while Hell as Justice are created. It is similar to appearance in court. Everyone wants to be found not guilty or not necessary to be punished for the offense because mercy is being shown by the court/judge.

If you ever saw a person die, the Quran will be alive to you. If you ever saw the eyes of dead person, you will wonder if they were trailing something disappearing. They are following the soul that is being carried away from the body.

I invite you to read the Quran. Check out from the index matters of death, the soul of human, Hell, Paradise, Reward for belief or disbelief, etc. You can google these things from Islamic perspective. May God Almighty open the Door of His Mercy to us so that we can accept His Guidance. Amin.

Why would the soul be separated from the spirit? Why is the spirit following the soul, whose soul?
So the full purpose of our soul is to lead us to that place?[/Quote]I didnt use the word spirit. I said soul is separated from the body. Though spirit is the other word for soul like female is the other word for woman. The eyes of the dying person trails the soul that is exiting the body in the possession of the Angel of death. The pain that the body feels as the soul leaves that body part is similar to the pain felt when you get a cut. So the whole body feels pain of that magnitude, at least. If you have a good soul, obedient to God, you will be those who obey God Almighty as He orders. You will not make up your own rules or device your own way of worship. You will not make a human God. Nor Angel God. You will follow the way of the prophet of your time. You and I are not in the time of Jesus, just in the same way that people of year 200 were not under Moses but Jesus, you and I are under Muhammad's era which started from 610.



[Quote]What does God really see?
1. Believers
2. Pure Soul[/Quote]Believers starts with good soul because the belief correctly. Pure soul is a higher grade of "Believers".



[Quote]What if one dies without having heard of God? But is still pure?[/Quote]This is a good Question that deserves the right answer. Allah says in the Quran that He will not be unjust to His creations. So for a child who dies at birth for example or a person in a remote place even today without ever hearing the word "Creator" in his own tongue, on the Day of Judgment Allah will test him, playing for this person delivering His commandment to him. Allah will say in command to this person "go to hellfire [I am your Lord commanding to it]." Of course Hell fire and Paradise will be presented to this person. If he obeys the Command of Allah, heading for Hell fire as commanded, Allah will make his destination to be Paradise. It actually means that if he was alive, old enough to know about the Commandment of Allah through the prophetic message of his period, he would have obeyed. If he refuses the commandment of Allah because he see the difficulty of hell and the ease of paradise, then he has failed because if he were old enough on earth, he would have chosen the ease of disobedience instead of accepting the hardship of obedience. This test is similar to what was given to Abraham to slaughter his son (AS to both father and son). You must have read that God ransom the son with a great ransom? Allah is never Unjust.



[Quote]What if one dies hearing the words of God, a believer, but yet unpure?[/Quote]Hearing is common. Not acting upon it is the reality, meaning one is a disbeliever. If you are a believer, it is not easy to be pure. Allah gives a way to seek forgiveness, His Mercy. You must seek forgiveness of Allah, hoping for His Mercy all your life. If you perform your duties to Him as He Commands, you shall definitely receive His Mercy, on this earth, in the grave and definitely on the Day when no one can help except Him, Alone in All His Majesty. Allah says to seek Mercy always from Him being the Most Merciful, Most Forgiving. If you are pure, it may actually becomes a means of arrogance resulting to your downfall if you dont seek mercy and forgiveness from Him.



[Quote]And how much weight does our last prayer and our last repentant worth on our judgment?[/Quote]If you are a believer, as a muslim they are worth everything. You do not want to end up in the wrong column, making a disbeliever prayer and or repentance. Imagine a person who was a christian all his life going to the temple of the Hindu for the first time, making prayer to the Hindu idol and repenting to it. It is at this time he dies. Will the christians accept him as a christian, burying him in their mist? Will the God of the Christians accepts this person into the christian heaven? In Islam, if a man leaves to pray to Christian God and or repents to Trinity, the Christian God, that person had became a former Muslim. If a person were to walk in into a muslim community, takes the oath of becoming Muslim, if he dies right there, that oath is enough to make him Muslim without even a salah made. If he merely opened his mouth and say Laa Illaha Ilallah and dies before saying Muhammad Rasulullah, he has already became a muslim.

Aburo, nigba wo lo maa di Muslim? There are muslims in your school. There is a sizable community of Muslims in Florida. I know Islam is not popular, but popularity contest is not what we are talking about here. Alhamdulillah, youth is still on your side. After all we are alive, still. I pray that those who love God, the Almighty Creator will lead them to Him before they die. Amin.

I think when we die consciousness ends. We decompose and feed some soil or plant and just help keep life going. Just my opinion tho.

@Ymodulus: « #4 on: December 27, 2010, 11:21 PM »
[Quote]@poster, nothing happens when a man dies he dies, now let me back it up religiously as you have requested,

=ISLAMICALLY=
islamic is not a true religion her holy book were written by men several years after christianity, infact it was a slight photocopy of christianity. So deriving anything from it is totally useless. Now[/Quote]If being early is the litmus for truth, Judaism is truer than Christianity. Egyptian native religion will be truer. Or Hinduism will be truer. Or Zoroast will be truer, just as well.

And if Quran is photocopy of anything of the Bible, I wonder why the arab christians had a 16 year project to produce a book, thinking that they are rising up to the challenge in the Quran; (Noble Verse 2:23 "And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true."
Noble Verse 17:88 "Say: 'If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.'" whereby the plagiarize the Quran?


You have no argument against Quran. And I think Ileke Idi needs honest answers than your rhetoric, since the Quran itself has answered you: "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" (The Noble Quran, 6:93)" "Those whom God (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth God (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe. (The Noble Quran, 6:125)"


"Thy Lord knoweth best who strayeth from His way: He knoweth best who they are that receive His guidance. (The Noble Quran, 6:117)" "We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."
. . . . If Mohammad borrowed from Judeo-Christian sources, Why does the Holy Quran scold them for the interpolations they inserted in their books and then copy from them. If Mohammed had been copied fromthe Holy Book , he would not have scolded them at least toescape their objections and to win them for his side at least to avoid any confrontation with them. Those who claim that Mohammed copied from the scripture should tell us where was that translated copy that he copied from , according to the historical authority , there was not any translated copy in the time of the prophet Mohammed or even long after his death.


If the Holy Quran copied from the Bible , why does the Holy Quran launch this fierce critique against the Bible concerning the story of Trinity in the Bible but even renounces this fact and most strikingly shows them thesource from which they got the concept of Trinity . The Holy Quran says : ….The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old."Recent studies and exploration into the ancient religions prove that there were sixteen saviors in the human history , all of them were long anterior of Jesus ,many of the sayings that they ascribe to Jesus were found in the ancient heathen religions. . . . . quran-m.com/, /index.php?, copy, quran, book, - Cached





@Ileke Idi: REALITY OF DEATH: Almighty Lord Allah (swt) says in the Qur'aan
"Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion: and He over all things hath Power; He Who created Death and Life the may try which of you is best in deed: and he is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;, (Surah Al-Mulkhat -67:1-2)

Every one of us has to die. In this regard Allah mentioned in the Qur'aan that everyone has to die including the Prophet himself:

Allah says in Holy Quran: "Truly thou wilt die (one day), and truly they (too) will die (one day). Surah Al Zumar (39:30)

Allah also said that every soul shall taste the death: "Every soul shall have taste of death; In the end to us shall ye be brought back. (Surah Al-'Ankabut The Spider 29:57)

No one knows when and where one will die. No one even knows how someone is to die. In this respect Allah says in the Qur'an: "Nor does anyone know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does anyone know in what land he is to die. Verily with God is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things)" (Surah Luqman:-31:34)

It is understood that Allah alone is the One Who gives life, and it is He Who takes off life. In this regard, Allah says in Qur'aan: "It is He Who gives Life and Death; and when He decides upon an affair, He says to it, "Be, " "and it is. " (Surah Al- Mu'min -The Believer(40:68)

While life and death are from Allah, we have to remember that they are to take place with the permission of Allah alone. Each one's life and death are decided by Allah. It is stated in the Qur'aan: "Nor can a soul die except by God as leave, the term being fixed as by writing. Many do desire a reward in this life, we shall give it to him, and if any do desire a reward In the hereafter, we shall give it to him. And swiftly shall we reward those that (serve us with) gratitude. "(Surah Al-'Imran -The family of Imraan 3:145)

Allah (swt) makes us to die daily while sleeping. He makes most of us to wake up from our temporary death so we can praise Him and to worship Him. The Qur'aan states: "It is God that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to t life) but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect. (Surah Al-Zumar - The Crowds 39:42)

Allah has assigned an angel responsible for taking our souls out of our body. The angel's name in the Qur'aan is ( Malakul- Maut) Angel of Death. Allah informs us in Holy Quran: "Say: "The Angel of Death put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: Then shall ye be brought back to your Lord. "( Surah Al-Sajdah- Prostration:32:11)

The life of each and every human being on this earth is a short one, but the deeds and actions of a true believer are eternal if he knows how to channel them in the right directions. As far as the life span of a human being is concerned, our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said: Narrated by Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) saying that the Prophet (pbuh) said: "The life span of my followers are between sixty and seventy. Very few of them do exceeds this age. " Reported by: Tirmizi

Life in this world is a temporary one. The real( Permanent) life is the one of Life Hereafter. In this respect the Qur'aan states: "What is the life of this world but amusement and play? But verily the Home in the Hereafter, that is life indeed, it they but knew." (Surah Al-Ankabut -The Spider: (29:64)

We are here on a trial basis, we are here on a temporary basis, and we are here for a passage to Paradise or Hell . The real life of an eternal rest is that of the hereafter. In this respect Allah says in the Quran: "O my People! This life of the present is nothing but (temporary) convenience. It is the Hereafter that is the Home that will last. "(Surah Al Mu'min -The Believer: (40 39)

Without coming to this world, and without dying we can't go to paradise. We can't dream to go to the final destination without tasting death. So we have to die whether we like it or not. Death is truth (Haqq). . It is a passage to Paradise. Therefore, it is important that we remember the death and prepare for it. Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) reminded us that we have to remember death, as it is the one that defeats all types of pleasures. Narrated by Ibn Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: "Increase your remembrance of the One which defeats pleasures" While we are to remember death, we have to prepare ourselves to meet it - before it meets us. In this regard our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said: ''Do for your life as if you are to live eternally, and do for the hereafter as if you are to die tomorrow. ''

Remember that death is a process to reaching the final destination for both the believers and the non-believer. We hope and pray that each and everyone will go to Paradise. In other to achieve this ultimate success we must find out what Our Creator wants from us. and we must strive to seek the truth. In order that one desires and wishes to reach the ultimate success there are two important things necessary. First one is the desire for the real truth and second one is to strive to seek the truth.

Define virginity. One can be biologically virgin , but very much rotten in the mind/thought.

No! naughty girl. . . . u want me to define sexuality.

So is one really "uncorrupt" etc? What about half-way?

u r worse than corrupt. No virgin male for you in heaven.

Of course nau. . . , me is tarzan

yeah. . . .

fire is on the mountain o ! >>> Ileke >>> why the sudden interest in death and religion

Negro_Ntns:



No! naughty girl. . . . u want me to define sexuality.


u r worse than corrupt. No virgin male for you in heaven.

yeah. . . .

Yes o, oya define sexuality fun mi.

I dont believe anyone is truely a virgin jor.

Thank God, I dont want any male virgins, my own has to know what he is doing o.

Uyi Iredia:

fire is on the mountain o ! >>> Ileke >>> why the sudden interest in death and religion ?

Because there is fire on the mountain. lol

@sweetnecta

thanks for the explanation

I def now have a newer perspective from the one i was carrying before.

Happy new year to you and yours.

welcome to Islam then

Yes o, oya define sexuality fun mi.

Ah, Omo ake!      This is temple - we discuss God here. 

Let's go to the club to discuss that.   

I dont believe anyone is truely a virgin jor.

  Thank God, I dont want any male virgins, my own has to know what he is doing o

I am immaculate. . . .no knowledge of woman's spell on me.   

Its not your will to want one; you are not getting one, PERIOD! 

Negro_Ntns:

Ah, Omo ake!      This is temple - we discuss God here. 

Let's go to the club to discuss that.   

As if the Bible did not discuss sexual intercourse

Negro_Ntns:


I am immaculate. . . .no knowledge of woman's spell on me.   

Its not your will to want one; you are not getting one, PERIOD! 

Oh really? Immaculate ko calculate ni, you wey don spoil finish

hehehe! If "God" rewards me in another life with 14 virgin men, I think I'd just cry lol

As if the Bible did not discuss sexual intercourse

That discussion is children friendly. . . . .
Children should not be within a one mile radius of anywhere this Negro narrates sexuality and intercourse. It's too steamy!

May GOD forgive me my sins, Amen!

Ileke-IdI:

What do you think happens after we die?
Do we rest, and wait for [b]that [/b]day?

I believe you are asking all the right questions and you will soon arrive at the answer you need if only you continue to sincerely seek for the truth.

"Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." -- 2Corinthians 5:6-8

Here you see that when believers die our spirit leaves our bodies and immediately appears in the presence of the Lord.

Ileke-IdI:

Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?
Is there really an hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell: or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." -- 2 Cor. 12:2-4

Paul was here narrating his out of body experience when his spirit/soul went to paradise. He could hear what was being said. You rightly mentioned the true story narrated by Jesus Christ of the rich man and Lazarus where they immediately found themselves in paradise and hell respectively.

You can read 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 to find out what woud happen to our bodies at resurrection or rapture.

Jesus warned of the reality of hell in Matthew 10:28-29

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

Ileke-IdI:

Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?


Please back up post with religious facts.

No. And I believe e36991 answered this question. Read 1 Samuel 28 as a reference.

^^^^^^^If the usage of the statement[s] from an individual is the sign of reverence of that person, Paul beat jesus hands down.

However, who ever takes religious advise from Olaadegbu should take h/her place on the line leading to hell. sorry lake of fire.

@OLADEGBU

Thanks for the explanation. I really appreciate it.

However, I have to point out a point in your post that contradicts what I've been learning so far on this thread:

Here you see that when believers die our spirit leaves our bodies and [b]immediately [/b]appears in the presence of the Lord.

Are you sure about the bolded?

Or are you supporting the view that the waiting time span of each spirit  for the judgment day is just a flash-point [immediate] for each person?

If you recall, we dont all die on the same day.