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|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 9:55pm On Apr 29, 2020|
Onye na eto ona amalu ife.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 10:01pm On Apr 29, 2020|
ChinenyeN:Lol! Igbo Ukwu artifacts surely belongs to Igbo. Everything about the artifacts breaths and lives ancient Igbos. Either one of Awka who were blacksmith or Isu. Both of whom were ancient Igbo stock and live side by side.
How can Nri claim Igbo Ukwu? A group whose origin is still shrouded in secrecy - Isreal or Igala - wants to claim an artifact that is older than it?
Igbo Ukwu artifacts are evidence of migration from Nok which had a large conglomerate of tribes and thereafter Egypt, where these groups migrated from.
The Awka/Orlu heartland owns that artifact simple.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by ChinenyeN(m): 10:04pm On Apr 29, 2020|
Ah. Then that is on me for definitely missing that. I guess my mind was not even looking in that direction to connect that dot to python worship since it’s not something I actively think of. I must have glossed over that and forgotten that detail altogether.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 10:10pm On Apr 29, 2020|
RedboneSmith:Exactly, the python motif which made reference to Eke is a pointer to that fact. From Eke Idemili, Eke Njaba to that worshipped in Ukwuani. Take a look at that belt from Idemili area down to Isunjaba. Those are areas that rever the python till this day.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by ChinenyeN(m): 10:11pm On Apr 29, 2020|
We establish here on NL that the Awka-Orlu axis was probably home to different types of Igbo-speaking people. Isu may have dominated the cultural complex, but they were not the only ones residing there. The artifacts could belong to a non-Isu group. We don't know, but what we are certain of is that they are not a part of the Eri/Nri legacy.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 10:15pm On Apr 29, 2020|
ChinenyeN:True! Anyone in that belt, presently in the Awka, Idemmili, Nnewi, Orumba, Orlu, Okigwe, Orsu etc.
I can’t tell what name they went by in the past by it was evident the Isu/Awka where dominant then.
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|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by ChinenyeN(m): 10:16pm On Apr 29, 2020|
I went back to my notes now and I see the python motifs. Nawa for me. I must have really been on a one-track minded course and just failed to store that detail in memory while focusing my curiosity on other aspects of the artifacts.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 10:31pm On Apr 29, 2020|
ChinenyeN:The Python reference in the Awka/Orlu heartland is as old as civilization itself. It held sway even in the face of cultural purification by the Aro/Eri stock who came later.
Python reference is a strong Isu cultural practice covering areas such as Idemili, Nnewi, Orumba, Aguata, Ideato, Orsu, Isuikwato, Okigwe, Orlu, Ihitte/Uboma, Isu, Njaba, Nkwerre, Mbano, Ikeduru, Mbaitoli, Nwangele, Oru, Oguta, Egbema, Ndokwa, Ukwuani, Ndoni etc.
It is one cultural practice that is wide spread and ageless. Till this day killing of python is taboo by my people. We see a python as a kin/brother and when killed the offender will bury it as a human. Although the practice isn’t usually enforced as before due to the coming of Christianity, but people still rever it.
The name of the Python changes by geography. It’s habitat is in the major rivers in the vicinity where it finds itself, and natives call it by the name of the major river in their area. We believe the python is a child of the river and in time past sacrifices were made to the river goddess from time to time.
In Idemili the Eke is called Eke Idemili, in Orlu it is known as Eke Njaba and in Ukwuani it is called by the name of the river in that locality. Chinua Achebe’s ‘Things fall apart’ captured this priceless Igbo culture succinctly.
This practice hasn’t fully been researched by historians and if dug deep may unearth a lot about ancient Igbos.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 1:19am On Apr 30, 2020|
I guess we have to find ways to give Imo people reasons to feel proud , hence the Orlu suggestions...lol. If you dont know who made it just shut up. The only place Pythons are worshipped is in Idenmili and Idenmili has at least 3 Nri towns....Abatete , Umuoji , Nnokwa , Ojoto , Obosi (Ojoto and Obosi are same people), Nkpor etc. Thats why I said Nri and related groups but you want to lump Anambra and Imo together out of your own insecurities....these people are different.
We are NOT the same people. Igbo is diverse and its ok...the other day Orange drug took a title of Ijele....what da Bleep ?? You dont even have the Ijele culture!
Hope Uzodimma honorary title is Onwanetilora....since when? It's ok to borrow but it doesnt mean we are same people. Anambra people are Nri cultured people and we have characteristics and mannerisms of an average Anambra person.
I hate to hear Awka/Orlu nonsense...you lot created that. It has always been Nri/Awka axis
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 3:48am On Apr 30, 2020|
IDENNAA:It’s obvious you’re a layman in history. Open your ears and learn Mr Nri! Idemili is not the only place the Python totem is revered. A lot of places in Igboland revere the Python. Chief among these communities are:
Isu LGA - Called Eke Njaba
Njaba LGA - Called Eke Njaba
Awo-Idemili - Called Eke Njaba
Ihiala - In Anambra
Nembe - In Bayelsa
Ndokwa - In Delta etc
And all of these places have had that history since a long time.
Now I see why you always want to lump Nri into the mix. 14 Century Nri! Show me the towns Nri founded and I’ll show you the towns groups such as Isu, Awka and Aro founded. Lol! If I’m correct, the only town Nri settled in great number was your Umuoji, others may even be older than Agwu Ukwu Nri. Settling into a town shouldn't mean you founded it?
We are NOT the same people. Igbo is diverse and its ok...the other day Orange drug took a title of Ijele....what da Bleep ?? You dont even have the Ijele culture!Igbos are one people. We may be diverse but we are one. Only that Agwu Ukwu Nri should be kept in their place and stop making stupid noise. Why are they the inky group in Umueri disturbing us with their fictitious story? Their origin is Igala and despite the revisionist nonsense of the Umueri clan of falling from the sky, their immigration to Igboland is still collaborated in Aguleri to this day. Nri invented nothing! The only thing they invested was the monopolisation of the chief priest business in pre-colonial time among their neigbours just as the Aros of Ubini Ukpabi fame.
And who told you that Akokwa don't have Ijele masquerades, lol! How can Nri invent a tradition older than it's existence?
Hope Uzodimma honorary title is Onwanetilora....since when? It's ok to borrow but it doesnt mean we are same people. Anambra people are Nri cultured people and we have characteristics and mannerisms of an average Anambra person.No problem, as long as it is Igbo. However let me burst your head, his title is Onwa ne tiri oha. I'll post his Wikipedia page here.
I hate to hear Awka/Orlu nonsense...you lot created that. It has always been Nri/Awka axisAs a matter of fact it's even Awka, Orlu, Owerri and Okigwe heartland, but because the Isu dominated the southern block, the reason I deliberately made use of Awka/Isu. I'll post a link to that. But don't get it twisted. However let me pity you here, history made use of Nri-Awka axis to explain villages from Aguleri - Umuoji - Awka. However, it's quite an insult to compare Awka who existed and even provided for Eri when he crossed the Omanbala river to Aguleri.
Agwu-Ukwu Nri should chill, maybe when Enugu Ukwu your Umueri head hand over the headship of your clan, then we will talk. So who again is the head of the Umueri clan? I heard it's between Aguleri and Enugu Ukwu and that Nri (Agwu Ukwu) is the youngest.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:08am On Apr 30, 2020|
I'll post the evidence.
First is the history of Igbo Origin
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:09am On Apr 30, 2020|
I'll post the evidence.
First is the history of Igbo Origin. Carefully read the snapshots.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:16am On Apr 30, 2020|
Second is the fact that Nri had nothing on the Python totem and the Idemili share same practice with those from Orlu.
First A screen shot from:
Umuaka - Called Eke Njaba
Awo-Omama - Eke Njaba
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by RedboneSmith(m): 4:17am On Apr 30, 2020|
There's python worship in Ndokwa? Can we have confirmation for this?
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:18am On Apr 30, 2020|
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:19am On Apr 30, 2020|
RedboneSmith:I’ll post it in a short while.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by RedboneSmith(m): 4:22am On Apr 30, 2020|
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:23am On Apr 30, 2020|
Proof of the Awka-Orlu-Owerri-Okigwe heartland or belt of Igbo homeland. It was collaborate by distinguished Igbo scholars. From Encyclopedia.com.
Secondly, you'll see where the Eri migration to Igboland occurred.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:32am On Apr 30, 2020|
This is Hope Uzodimma Wikipedia page. Check the name if his title. And like I said I don't care the dialect, but your Omanbala culture stuff is a joke.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:59am On Apr 30, 2020|
RedboneSmith:I searched online but couldn't find a verifiable source. But here are a list of Igbo towns where the Pythons is revered.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by TAO11(f): 11:03am On Apr 30, 2020|
I am glad this boy finally agreed that it wasn't until the coming of the Europeans (in the late 1400s/1500s) that the Binis used beads.
Having admitted that, why didn't you tell everyone here that Ile-Ife already had a huge flourishing bead manufacturing industry since as early as the 1100s (or perhaps centuries earlier) ?? --- Why didn't you??
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|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by TAO11(f): 11:10am On Apr 30, 2020|
Don't allow yourself to be deceived by that Benin propagandist named gregyboy.
If you're truly Igbo, then know that your people have indeed been casting bronzes and using beads at least 6 centuries before the Binis would first learn about those.
The dating of the Igbo-Ukwu artefacts by Thurstan Shaw et al. confirms this without a shred of doubt.
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|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 12:51pm On Apr 30, 2020|
Again , only in Idenmili the python is WORSHIPPED, the rest just revered it. I never used the word "revered", you imported it to prove your flawed argument.
Again , Igbo are NOT one people. Chinenye knows that much and is happy with his Ngwa but you want to lump Nri /Awka to your state just to associate with Nri traditions. Igbo has different origin , practice different culture and speak different dialects. We are not one...this has always been the social structure of the Igbo. What made Anambra unique was Nri cultural spread in the area. Some Imo communities were impacted but very little. For instance , Arondizuogu is an Nri cultured town but they dont have Nri migrants. Stop lumpimg everyone together. Find something that make you stand out....if you do you wouldn't be feeling insecure.
The title Onwanetilora was an Anambra title but like an uncreative bunch you borrowed it and tried to change it to your Imo dialect. Just like you took the Ijele title and turned it to ijere. You people have continued to leech on Anambra cultural brilliance yet you refused to lower your head before us! Its disgusting! You are very uncultured. We made you humans but some of you have refused to pay homage but you will , eventually. Okwulu anaro aka onye kulia.
As for what happens in Anambra, its none of your gaddem business. When Ajaana Oka shows up we can discuss that. Omanbala is one family.....Idemmili ,Omanbala region, Umunri ,Onicha , the Adazi towns ,Dunukofia ,Oyi towns, Nnewi, Ihiala , the Ichi towns etc. are all closely related by blood and culture. Worry about your origin and state. I will never discuss my fatherland with a foreigner! You are NOT onye Anambra!! Get that in your skull.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 1:04pm On Apr 30, 2020|
Of course, you can never find anything because they do not exist, just in your imagination. Many towns in Anambra dont kill the eke because of the Idenmili traditions. In Idenmili its not only revered but worshipped like a God with a shrine at Nnobi.
I dont like discussing Imo because soon you will start claiming we are same people...we are not.
We dont dance like you
We dont eat what you eat like ofe ukazi , ofe Owerri , achi etc
We have a different social structure
We bear diffent names
We look different...Anambra men are taller
We dance to Ijele , Abiulor, Akwunechenyi royal drum
We dance Ufie of Ndi Nze
We have different masquerades
We dont speak like you
We are ffucking different. And , please leave Anambra alone! Jeez!
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by letu(m): 1:04pm On Apr 30, 2020|
IDENNAA:guy why you de fear fear like this now remember say you be man.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 1:09pm On Apr 30, 2020|
Fear of who ?
But why are Imo people always feel littla and,scared before Anambra person ?
We dont really remember you lot exist. You are the ones obsessed with Anambra...did I lie?
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by letu(m): 1:15pm On Apr 30, 2020|
ChinenyeN:He's always afraid as usual.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 2:02pm On Apr 30, 2020|
TAO11:Hmm, you made a point there. I can recollect a roped vase from Igbo Ukwu as well as a bronze figure of a titled man with a rope on his neck. But we cannot really tell if they were roped beads.
Do you have any evidence of an Igbo or Yoruba human figure with a bead on it's neck? Because if I could remember well, the Queen Idia mask is characterized with beads.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by TAO11(f): 2:11pm On Apr 30, 2020|
That Igbo-Ukwu had beads many many centuries earlier than Benin does is common knowledge. A quick search will show you that. There is no point disputing that.
That Ife artefacts of human figures show use of beads is also common knowledge. You can refer to my profile pictue for that.
Like I mentioned before, Ife had been manufacturing beads and glass locally many centuries before the Portuguese will introduce beads to the Binis.
The same thing goes for bronze artefacts.
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|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 3:06pm On Apr 30, 2020|
The same Imo people who are eternally brotherhood beggars gathered together and kicked an Anambra Bishop (Okpalaeke) out just because he was not one of you...you shot yourselves in the leg!
You want Idenmili to fight Nri
You want Awka to fight Nri
You want Dunukofia to fight Nri
Just to dismantle Anambra cohesion , a cohesion that has helped us to grow both politicall and economically.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 3:12pm On Apr 30, 2020|
IDENNAA:Grasping at straws, lol! Where again did Eri said he fell from? I have asked you who is the head of your Umueri or is it Umunri clan and you have no answer. Agulueri says they are the head of Eri children. Enugu Ukwu is claiming firstborn of Umunri and Agwu Ukwu/Akampisi your people are claiming spiritual head. You can keep your headship in Oma Mbala for all we care, but don't lump other areas such as Idemili, Awka and Nnewi into your cultural influence. You invented nothing! You only used your imperial arrival from Omanbala basin to learn the Igbo culture of the Umudiana (aborigines) and made economic profit from that trade - chief priest business.
You and the Aros arrived almost the same time, but the Aro who had far influence than your clan are not even making noise. However both of you rather than move into far lands such as the middlebelt to influence Igbo culture there - similar to what Oyo and Benin did - you remained in the congested land to be claiming cultural renaissance. Nonsense
The only people than can claim bragging right of influence is the Aro people who once dominated Igboland with their slave trade, spiritual and military might. But that dominance was broken after the sack of Ubini Ukpabi by the British.
What did you say Eri of 14 century invented again? I heard you invented the Jewish origin theory as well as falling from the sky theory. Even the fake star of David and the seat of Dan recently built by Eze Eri in his Obugad. Lol!
The Igbo culture is far older than Eri, Umunri and the migrant Igala cultural revisionist who are a Yoruboid group.
The Igbo people have existed since antiquity.
The Igbos existed before Adam! Fact
The Igbo Ukwu artifacts is centuries old and existed even before Moses. So all the Jewish crap nonsense to back Eri Isreali origin is only a figment of Ndi IPOB.
Igbo Ukwu artifacts is related to the Nok artifacts in the Kaduna basin which is the oldest archeological findings in west Africa.
The structure of the Igbo Ukwu artifacts are evidence of an Egyptian migration from the lower Nile!
Igbos are Kwa language speakers and are related to the Yoruba, Edo, Nupe, Gbagyi, Akan etc.
Lastly and importantly Nri are just religious custodians with 14 century history just as the Aros - both of who monopolized the chief priest business for their economic survival.
|Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 3:39pm On Apr 30, 2020|
IDENNAA:Oga nothing like Imo or Anambra here. Don’t divert the topic. We know your intention and that is to lump other groups into your already dead Omanbala consciousness. You can all drown in the Omanbala River for all we care but don’t drag others with you. It’s obvious you’re looking for a cultural body to push your Nri bu isi Igbo mantra but that idea died since 1914 never to be remembered again.
Had you calmed down as the Aro people with a cultural influence in the SE/SS no one would have reminded you of your immigrant origin. Now tell me, have you heard the Eze Aro calling for the revival of the Aro confederacy, No? Because he knows that the Igbo nation existed before the coming of all chiefdom hegemonic trash. But since your Umunri/Umueri groups is bent on that stupidity, we wouldn’t mind putting you in your place.
I’ll post more facts to put you in your place.
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