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Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by omonnakoda: 7:14pm On May 06, 2020
superlightning:


Almost every nation on Earth traded slaves in the past, so deal with it.

The history of the osu caste system predates Aro Confederacy and to start with, its beginnings had good and noble intentions. Other cultures had some form of fugitives and outcasts.

For your info, the Aro are a proud, war-like, resilient, well traveled and industrious people. They were the Spartans of the Igbo race. They helped develop places in and beyond ignoland interns of trade and commerce. So deal with it.
The Aros weret a colonizing force just like the Fulani were to the Hausa ,they established a dynasty.
Whatever happened to "Igbo enwe Eze"?

They brought in their institutions and essentially used Aro as a foothold to raid core Igbos as slaves sold via Calabar.
It was not a benign relationship rather a predatory one.

It may be inconvenient to remember reality but modern day fraternity is a post colonial/ construct brought about by the Collective existential threat posed by the Nigerian state.
If colonization did not happen what would .....?
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by superlightning: 7:33pm On May 06, 2020
omonnakoda:

The Aros weret a colonizing force just like the Fulani were to the Hausa ,they established a dynasty.
Whatever happened to "Igbo enwe Eze"?

They brought in their institutions and essentially used Aro as a foothold to raid core Igbos as slaves sold via Calabar.
It was not a benign relationship rather a predatory one.

It may be inconvenient to remember reality but modern day fraternity is a post colonial/ construct brought about by the Collective existential threat posed by the Nigerian state.

Wrong. The aro colonized the ibibios. infact in ancient times, Much of modern day Arochukwu land was formerly owned by the ibibios.

Secondly, Aro was not all about slave raiding, that was a colonial excuse for British forces to invade igboland. Aro traded in Palm Oil, Spices and other agricultural goods.

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Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by omonnakoda: 7:39pm On May 06, 2020
superlightning:


Wrong. The aro colonized the ibibios. infact in ancient times, Much of modern day Arochukwu land was formerly owned by the ibibios.

Secondly, Aro was not all about slave raiding, that was a colonial excuse for British forces to invade igboland. Aro traded in Palm Oil, Spices and other agricultural goods.




Rubbish Aros colonized which Ibibio ?
You guys and revisionism.

The dynasty of Akuma of Akamkpa reign to this day in Arochukwu
What has Ekpe society got to do with Igbo people historically?
They were a civilising influence
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 3:43am On May 07, 2020
letu:
Continue

Which Aro Idenmili ,nwokem ? Aro didnt pass the southern fringe of Anambra and there is a good explanation to that.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 3:48am On May 07, 2020
Which Aro founded Onicha ? You guys are grin grin grin
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by superlightning: 4:47am On May 07, 2020
omonnakoda:

Rubbish Aros colonized which Ibibio ?
You guys and revisionism.

The dynasty of Akuma of Akamkpa reign to this day in Arochukwu
What has Ekpe society got to do with Igbo people historically?
They were a civilising influence

Perhaps "Colonize" sounds unfairly condescending to you. I will put it this way:

Aro defeated the ibibio and took over their juju shrine (ibini ukpabi) while also, controlling the agricultural and slave market there.

Enough of your revisionism. Slave trade is bad, but it doesn't change the greatness of aro confederacy.

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Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by superlightning: 4:48am On May 07, 2020
IDENNAA:


Which Aro Idenmili ,nwokem ? Aro didnt pass the southern fringe of Anambra and there is a good explanation to that.

Oga, it did. It even went to igbo-speaking Delta.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by superlightning: 4:49am On May 07, 2020
IDENNAA:


Which Aro Idenmili ,nwokem ? Aro didnt pass the southern fringe of Anambra and there is a good explanation to that.

Oya explain. I am waiting.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by letu(m): 6:42am On May 07, 2020
IDENNAA:


Which Aro Idenmili ,nwokem ? Aro didnt pass the southern fringe of Anambra and there is a good explanation to that.
I understand your point but the article I posted was written by a hardcore Aro centric person, Anambara was the main/Central fucus in the article inwhich I use it to illustrate the Idennmili factor, according to the gospel of Aro centrism the entire Anambara was under the domination/ influence of Aro Confederacy inwhich they control the entire Anambara market, before you go all out I'm not the one that wrote the article I'm only using it to show that just as Eri centric school of thought exist also there goes another that exist which is Aro centric school of thought. The Anambara here means all which your Idennmili is part of or belongs.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by omonnakoda: 6:42am On May 07, 2020
superlightning:


Perhaps "Colonize" sounds unfairly condescending to you. I will put it this way:

Aro defeated the ibibio and took over their juju shrine (ibini ukpabi) while also, controlling the agricultural and slave market there.

Enough of your revisionism. Slave trade is bad, but it doesn't change the greatness of aro confederacy.

Aro defeated Ibibio?


When did this happen
Where was the theatre
Why are you folk such shameless liars.

You better don't start what will only end in ignominy

Ibos never defeated anyone. Never.

Your highest evolved level of political administration ever was the Umunna.
Who ask you whether slave trade is bad.

The Aros sold Ibos as slaves. They installed a dynasty that reigns to this day.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by letu(m): 6:57am On May 07, 2020
omonnakoda:


Aro defeated Ibibio?


When did this happen
Where was the theatre
Why are you folk such shameless liars.

You better don't start what will only end in ignominy

Ibos never defeated anyone. Never.

Your highest evolved level of political administration ever was the Umunna.

Well how come the entire Arochukwu is in South East (Abia State) instead of Cross River State/Akwaibom State since the Igbo's never defeated anyone.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by omonnakoda: 7:01am On May 07, 2020
letu:
Well how come the entire Arochukwu is in South East (Abia State) instead of Cross River State/Akwaibom State since the Igbo's never defeated anyone.
How come Sokoto is in Nigeria and not Futa Jallon where Fulani originated from


See logic
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by superlightning: 7:13am On May 07, 2020
omonnakoda:


Aro defeated Ibibio?


When did this happen
Where was the theatre
Why are you folk such shameless liars.

You better don't start what will only end in ignominy

Ibos never defeated anyone. Never.

Your highest evolved level of political administration ever was the Umunna.
Who ask you whether slave trade is bad.

The Aros sold Ibos as slaves. They installed a dynasty that reigns to this day.

I don't have the luxury of sending you the literature for the Aro-Ibibio war and its aftermath. Help yourself with Google Biko.

Eze Aro, Obi of Onitsha, Asagba of Asaba, are some of the monarchies we had in igboland. However, they were guided by a constitution.

Secondly, asides some mornachial communities, most Igbo communities were were democratic in nature whereby a representative assembly moderated by elders ran the affairs in those communities.

Please don't be in a hurry to reply. Follow up what I have stated and get your findings first before responding.

God bless you.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Juliusmalema: 7:48am On May 07, 2020
superlightning:

Oga, it did. It even went to igbo-speaking Delta.
Lol

Funny
Aro didn't see light even in Omambala
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Juliusmalema: 7:49am On May 07, 2020
letu:
I understand your point but the article I posted was written by a hardcore Aro centric person, Anambara was the main/Central fucus in the article inwhich I use it to illustrate the Idennmili factor, according to the gospel of Aro centrism the entire Anambara was under the domination/ influence of Aro Confederacy inwhich they control the entire Anambara market, before you go all out I'm not the one that wrote the article I'm only using it to show that just as Eri centric school of thought exist also there goes another that exist which Aro centric school of thought. The Anambara here means all which your Idennmili is part of or belongs.


Wonderful.

This is the height of revisionist theory, I am just reading today.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by omonnakoda: 8:20am On May 07, 2020
superlightning:


I don't have the luxury of sending you the literature for the Aro-Ibibio war and its aftermath. Help yourself with Google Biko.

Eze Aro, Obi of Onitsha, Asagba of Asaba, are some of the monarchies we had in igboland. However, they were guided by a constitution.

Secondly, asides some mornachial communities, most Igbo communities were were democratic in nature whereby a representative assembly moderated by elders ran the affairs in those communities.

Please don't be in a hurry to reply. Follow up what I have stated and get your findings first before responding.

God bless you.

All those so called monarchies were at the geographical periphery for a good reason evident to those with any sense. They were either of a different stock or under different influence from those in the geographical core.
Isn't the contradiction obvious to you you parrot Igbo enwe eze upandan without explaining why you have kings in Oguta,Aro,Nri and Onitsha
I do not need to Google rather I will instruct you. Just last week some of you engaged in an amateurish attempt to rewrite Aro history on Wikipedia. It is funny.
You are claiming Asaba people as Igbo?

The simple truth is that Arochukwu was taken over by the Akamkpa and Ibibio dynasty and they used that as a foothold to plunder and sell core Igbos as slaves. They never considered themselves Igbos prior to colonisation
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by superlightning: 8:23am On May 07, 2020
omonnakoda:


All those so called monarchies were at the geographical periphery for a good reason evident to those with any sense. They were either of a different stock or under different influence from those in the geographical core.
Isn't the contradiction obvious to you you parrot Igbo enwe eze upandan without explaining why you have kings in Oguta,Aro,Nri anc Onitsha
I do not need to Googlenrather I will instruct you. Just last week some of you engaged in an amateurish attempt to rewrite Aro history on Wikipedia. It is funny.
You are claiming Asaba people as Igbo?

The simple truth is that Arochukwu was taken over by the Akamkpa and Ibibio dynasty and they used that as a foothold to plunder and sell core Igbos as slaves. They never considered themselves Igbos prior to colonisation

It's obvious you want to be irredeemably ignorant. Suit yourself. I can't afford to cast my pearls before swine. When you are to be enlightened, Google (and not necessarily Wikipedia) will help you. All the best.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:19pm On May 07, 2020
IDENNAA:


Aro didnt effect Awka dieties because Awka doesnt have Aro migrants. Awka and surrounding towns fought Aro and pushed them southward , this is why the only place Aro are found in Anambra is mostly in the southern fringe of Anambra.

Also , Aro didn't didn't bring Osu into Anambra areas ,maybe Imo , but certainly not Omanbala. However, we heard stories of how you guys were being decimated by Aro but that's about it with us and Aro.
You don’t know your history. Aro that has a village in the heart of Onitsha. The former administrator of eastern Nigeria Ukpabi Asika an Onitsha man is of Aro blood. There are many of them.

Aro that raided Aguleri to as far as Anam with the help of her Abam, Edda mercenaries.
Aro that even used her military might to police Awka and Nri with her Ajali and Ndikelonwu satellite towns. You think Aros are mates with Nri in terms of influence? Lol!

I can post links here if you want to be educated.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 4:23pm On May 07, 2020
omonnakoda:

Rubbish Aros colonized which Ibibio ?
You guys and revisionism.

The dynasty of Akuma of Akamkpa reign to this day in Arochukwu
What has Ekpe society got to do with Igbo people historically?
They were a civilising influence
Lol! Akuma dynasty. Na only you waka come.

Aro defeated the Ibibios and captured their territory. The present Arochukwu is situated in Ibibio land. Ibom the ancestral home of the Efik/Ibibio is now an Aro village.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by omonnakoda: 5:01pm On May 07, 2020
UdechiHD:
Lol! Akuma dynasty. Na only you waka come.

Aro defeated the Ibibios and captured their territory. The present Arochukwu is situated in Ibibio land. Ibom the ancestral home of the Efik/Ibibio is now an Aro village.
The king of Arochukwu is a descendant of Akuma Nnubi from Akamkpa heir to a dynasty that was established after beheading the native leader Nnachi
Akuma was THE FIRST EZEARO

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Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by IDENNAA(m): 5:15pm On May 07, 2020
letu:
I understand your point but the article I posted was written by a hardcore Aro centric person, Anambara was the main/Central fucus in the article inwhich I use it to illustrate the Idennmili factor, according to the gospel of Aro centrism the entire Anambara was under the domination/ influence of Aro Confederacy inwhich they control the entire Anambara market, before you go all out I'm not the one that wrote the article I'm only using it to show that just as Eri centric school of thought exist also there goes another that exist which is Aro centric school of thought. The Anambara here means all which your Idennmili is part of or belongs.


Before you posted that trash you knew it was not true , yet you posted it to spite Anambra people.

Apart from Ndi Owu , Ndikelionwu and Ajali who also had aborigines before Aro migration can you point elsewhere Aro migrated to in Anambra ?

Now , let me tell you how Nri remain a champion in Igbo land....Arondizuogu are Nri cultured people. Now , who is the boss? They have Nze na Ozo which erased every Aro left in them because Nze na Ozo is very spiritual.

For the rest of your life , don't post that trash again.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by AjaanaOka(m): 7:11pm On May 07, 2020
UdechiHD:
You don’t know your history. Aro that has a village in the heart of Onitsha. The former administrator of eastern Nigeria Ukpabi Asika an Onitsha man is of Aro blood. There are many of them.

Aro that raided Aguleri to as far as Anam with the help of her Abam, Edda mercenaries.
Aro that even used her military might to police Awka and Nri with her Ajali and Ndikelonwu satellite towns. You think Aros are mates with Nri in terms of influence? Lol!

I can post links here if you want to be educated.


There is no Aro village in Onitsha. And I hope you are not basing your claim that Ukpabi Asika was of Aro descent solely on his first name.

And about using their military might to police Awka, I'll just point out that the two times Ndikelionwu tried their hand with Awka they had a terrible time of it.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by superlightning: 8:08pm On May 07, 2020
AjaanaOka:



There is no Aro village in Onitsha. And I hope you are not basing your claim that Ukpabi Asika was of Aro descent solely on his first name.

And about using their military might to police Awka, I'll just point out that the two times Ndikelionwu tried their hand with Awka they had a terrible time of it.

"A terrible time" how? tell us
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 10:39pm On May 07, 2020
IDENNAA:



Before you posted that trash you knew it was not true , yet you posted it to spite Anambra people.

Apart from Ndi Owu , Ndikelionwu and Ajali who also had aborigines before Aro migration can you point elsewhere Aro migrated to in Anambra ?

Now , let me tell you how Nri remain a champion in Igbo land....Arondizuogu are Nri cultured people. Now , who is the boss? They have Nze na Ozo which erased every Aro left in them because Nze na Ozo is very spiritual.

For the rest of your life , don't post that trash again.
First let me agree with you that virtually all Aro satellite communities were founded on existing aboriginal lands such as Aro Ndikelionwu and Aro Ndizuogu.

However I’ll disagree with you about the false information on Nri founding Nze na Ozo.
Nze na Ozo existed before Eri your progenitor. I can tell you are also flouting the misinformation that Igbo 5 market days as Nri invention, lol! What a big insult to Igbo cultural heritage. Nri of 15 century!

Tell me, is it the Nze na Ozo taught you by the Umudiana or another one. Hello.
You can’t give what you don’t have. You were taught the Nze na Ozo system by the Adama Umudiana. fact? The current village Nri sits on is inhabited by aboriginal Igbos you met on ground. Nri has nothing on Ndigbo except the chief priest business.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 10:44pm On May 07, 2020
AjaanaOka:



There is no Aro village in Onitsha. And I hope you are not basing your claim that Ukpabi Asika was of Aro descent solely on his first name.

And about using their military might to police Awka, I'll just point out that the two times Ndikelionwu tried their hand with Awka they had a terrible time of it.
Oga I’ve got evidence about Ukpabi Asika. I don’t twist history.
Second, I still have fact on how Aro ran Awka riot as well as the Omambala areas. You’re not dealing with some layman here.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by letu(m): 10:54pm On May 07, 2020
UdechiHD:
You don’t know your history. Aro that has a village in the heart of Onitsha. The former administrator of eastern Nigeria Ukpabi Asika an Onitsha man is of Aro blood. There are many of them.

Aro that raided Aguleri to as far as Anam with the help of her Abam, Edda mercenaries.
Aro that even used her military might to police Awka and Nri with her Ajali and Ndikelonwu satellite towns. You think Aros are mates with Nri in terms of influence? Lol!

I can post links here if you want to be educated.
This makes me to remember Okoliijeoma of Aro Confederacy on how Okoliijeoma and Aro soldiers under his commands where Ransacking the Igbo area withing Anambara up to Omanbala area which is the domain of umu Eri, the situation was so ugly that many or some umu Eri have to abandoned their Omanbala settlement and were running back and forth looking for where to hide withing other Igbo area so that they can be able to hide from Aro soldiers that ransacked their way up to Igbo area of Enugwu and to the Aro soldiers nothing was sacred even the Eze of umu Eri had no choice but to go into hiding. grin grin ;

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Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by AjaanaOka(m): 11:05pm On May 07, 2020
UdechiHD:
Oga I’ve got evidence about Ukpabi Asika. I don’t twist history.
Second, I still have fact on how Aro ran Awka riot as well as the Omambala areas. You’re not dealing with some layman here.

Ukpabi was from Ogbeoza village in Onitsha. If you know anything about Ogbeoza, you'll know they trace their ancestry from Eze Aroli, one of the early Onitsha kings. That is why Ogbeoza together with Ogbendida are called Umuezearoli.

Post your evidence, please.

Also, I am from Awka. The Aro never ran Awka riot. We had two violent encounters with their hired warriors. The first time, it was a joint action with other towns in that axis to save Nawfia from Aro oppression. We beat off the mercenaries. The second time, they attacked Awka itself, and were again severely beaten. They never came again. Awka even provided refuge for people fleeing from Aro raids. We provided land for them to settle and planted men on the border to protect them. The town of Amawbia (stranger's settlement) grew out of an Awka-protected refugee camp during that time.

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Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 11:06pm On May 07, 2020
letu:
This makes me to remember Okoliijeoma of Aro Confederacy on how Okoliijeoma and Aro soldiers under his commands where Ransacking the Igbo area withing Anambara up to Omanbala area which is the domain of umu Eri, the situation was so ugly that many or some umu Eri have to abandoned their Omanbala settlement and were running back and forth looking for where to hide withing other Igbo area so that they can be able to hide from Aro soldiers that ransacked their way up to Igbo area of Enugwu and to the Aro soldiers nothing was sacred even the Eze of umu Eri had no choice but to go into hiding. grin grin ;
I have actually read about Aro atrocities in Igbo/Ibibio land. It isn’t something to be proud of. Those guys were one hell of a troublesome tribe with the aid of their Edda/Abam headhunters.
No wonder the fall of Abam/Aro was heralded by other Igbo communities in the past. Chinua Achebe took note of this in his novel.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by letu(m): 11:07pm On May 07, 2020
AjaanaOka:



There is no Aro village in Onitsha. And I hope you are not basing your claim that Ukpabi Asika was of Aro descent solely on his first name.

And about using their military might to police Awka, I'll just point out that the two times Ndikelionwu tried their hand with Awka they had a terrible time of it.
According to the gospel of Aro centrism, they called Onitsha like this Aro Onitsha Colonie I hope you're not getting your information from the gospel of Eri centrism.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by letu(m): 11:11pm On May 07, 2020
UdechiHD:
I have actually read about Aro atrocities in Igbo/Ibibio land. It isn’t something to be proud of. Those guys were one hell of a troublesome tribe with the aid of their Edda/Abam headhunters.
No wonder the fall of Abam/Aro was heralded by other Igbo communities in the past. Chinua Achebe took note of this in his novel.
yes indeed
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by AjaanaOka(m): 11:11pm On May 07, 2020
letu:
According to the gospel of Aro centrism, they called Onitsha like this Aro Onitsha Colonie,I hope you're not getting your information from the gospel of Eri centrism.

You've used this term "centrism" so much on this post, often as a smokescreen, that I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually interested in a serious conversation.
Re: Ise! Does Every Group In The Igboid Language Group Use It. by Nobody: 11:13pm On May 07, 2020
letu:
According to the gospel of Aro centrism, they called Onitsha like this Aro Onitsha Colonie I hope you're not getting your information from the gospel of Eri centrism.
I have seen something like that in one book I read sometime ago. But I don’t believe all of it.
Aro migrated into a lot of Igbo communities for trade and slaves. And while they grabbed some piece of land to settle such as Ajali etc, the communities therein already has aboriginal people that blended with the invaders.
For instance in an Isu village of Umunoha in present Mbaitoli LGA of Imo, the Aro drove out the aborigines, burnt down their Igwekala shrine and settled there. A lot of the villagers migrated to my part of Isu LGA and were accepted in our village,leaving their former home in the hands of the Aros.

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