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I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 5:02pm On Apr 26, 2020
The answer was the same in both.


We were chatting (the first one with the Christian) and our topic of chatting led from one thing to the other till we came to the issue of the meaning of the words "Create" "Produce"

We both tried to know the difference, semantics per se. As expected, it led to Dictionary and Google searches, and everything was settled as to the acceptable meaning.

So, when we finished, i asked him:
Me - "Having our discussion in mind now, who do you think created you?"
He went mute for at least two minutes thinking it through, then replied me:
A- " God created me."

Me - " How?" I asked.
A-- " It's in the Bible he replied."

Me - " Wait, you mean it's in the bible as to how God created you?"
A- " Yes!"

Me - " So, in otherwords your parents didn't create you?"
A- " I know you were going to ask that."

Me - " Well, I have asked."
A- " Even though my parents provided the sperm and egg, God still created me!"

Me- " But your answer goes against what you just agreed is the meaning of 'create' ?"
A- " I don't know what else you want me to say, it's in the bible!"
Then he walked out, looking lost and dejected.

Why do religious adherents always do this, why do they always agree to what is real but immediately you apply the same exact position to them about their belief, they become hypocrites immediately?

He later told me that even though what we talked about the meaning of the word "create" is real, his religion doesn't allow him to believe that his parents created him.
Though different, this was also the same position of the Muslim when we were in similar circumstances. It was also the Muslim that told me the reason why you see dark spots on the forehead of some Muslims and not in some others.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by Nobody: 5:22pm On Apr 26, 2020
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Dark spots on forehead wey be say na friction cause am, repeated contact of the forehead and the mat.

Come see plenty rich dudes wey no get am, why - because na padded rugs dem dey use pray, chop better food.

Unlike the less privilege ones wey dey slam forehead against mat or the ground directly. Na friction dey cause that one. No let anybody jonz u say na God dey put am there.

Op u funny sef with this ur create and produce theory

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by NuclearReactor(m): 5:57pm On Apr 26, 2020
IamMichael:
The answer was the same in both.


We were chatting (the first one with the Christian) and our topic of chatting led from one thing to the other till we came to the issue of the meaning of the words "Create" "Produce"

We both tried to know the difference, semantics per se. As expected, it led to Dictionary and Google searches, and everything was settled as to the acceptable meaning.

So, when we finished, i asked him:
Me - "Having our discussion in mind now, who do you think created you?"
He went mute for at least two minutes thinking it through, then replied me:
A- " God created me."

Me - " How?" I asked.
A-- " It's in the Bible he replied."

Me - " Wait, you mean it's in the bible as to how God created you?"
A- " Yes!"

Me - " So, in otherwords your parents didn't create you?"
A- " I know you were going to ask that."

Me - " Well, I have asked."
A- " Even though my parents provided the sperm and egg, God still created me!"

Me- " But your answer goes against what you just agreed is the meaning of 'create' ?"
A- " I don't know what else you want me to say, it's in the bible!"
Then he walked out, looking lost and dejected.

Why do religious adherents always do this, why do they always agree to what is real but immediately you apply the same exact position to them about their belief, they become hypocrites immediately?

He later told me that even though what we talked about the meaning of the word "create" is real, his religion doesn't allow him to believe that his parents created him.
Though different, this was also the same position of the Muslim when we were in similar circumstances. It was also the Muslim that told me the reason why you see dark spots on the forehead of some Muslims and not in some others.
Its a simple something(from a Christian perspective)
God Created the first humans... He would have decided to continue creating every other person just like the first humans, but he didn't...
Instead he enacted a process/system from which other humans would come into the world...
By sexual union of people of opposite sexes...
Anytime 2 people of opposite sexes engage the laws of that process, they are bound to get the results(children)...
So your parents didn't create you... No, they only engaged the natural laws of creation(instituted by God)
If they created you then they would have been the one to soverignly determine your physical appearance, physique, etc...
God is the Creator, your parents is the vehicle through which you are created!!!
Its that Simple!!

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 6:21pm On Apr 26, 2020
NuclearReactor:

Its a simple something(from a Christian perspective)
God Created the first humans... He would have decided to continue creating every other person just like the first humans, but he didn't...
Instead he enacted a process/system from which other humans would come into the world...
By sexual union of people of opposite sexes...
Anytime 2 people of opposite sexes engage the laws of that process, they are bound to get the results(children)...
So your parents didn't create you... No, they only engaged the natural laws of creation(instituted by God)
If they created you then they would have been the one to soverignly determine your physical appearance, physique, etc...
God is the Creator, your parents is the vehicle through which you are created!!!
Its that Simple!!
Your definition is shallow and restricted to only sèxual intercourses!
First of all, try and look at the meaning of the word "create" then come back and read the post again.
Will you say because Bill Gates owns Microsoft which created MS-Word, therefore every document created by MS-Word is owned by Bill Gates?
Will you say because Mr Z created Piano, therefore every tune created on the Piano is owned by Mr Z?

This is exactly what/how your argument sounds!

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 6:26pm On Apr 26, 2020
cruxgemmata:
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Dark spots on forehead wey be say na friction cause am, repeated contact of the forehead and the mat.

Come see plenty rich dudes wey no get am, why - because na padded rugs dem dey use pray, chop better food.

Unlike the less privilege ones wey dey slam forehead against mat or the ground directly. Na friction dey cause that one. No let anybody jonz u say na God dey put am there.

Op u funny sef with this ur create and produce theory
Lol... Na so na!!!
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by NuclearReactor(m): 6:37pm On Apr 26, 2020
IamMichael:

Your definition is shallow and restricted to only sèxual intercourses!
First of all, try and look at the meaning of the word "create" then come back and read the post again.
Will you say because Bill Gates owns Microsoft which created MS-Word, therefore every document created by MS-Word is owned by Bill Gates?
Will you say because Mr Z created Piano, therefore every tune created on the Piano is owned by Mr Z?

This is exactly what/how your argument sounds!
Lol, I looked at the meaning of create...
No, every ms doc isn't owned by bill gates but he is credited as the creator of such software.
Consider KFC for example, they have their special formula for fried chicken, originally created by the founder, he created the formula and when anyone eats KFC he is credited for its unique taste, doesn't mean he makes every single piece of KFC chicken, others follow his formula and get the results, but he is credited for its unique taste.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 6:54pm On Apr 26, 2020
NuclearReactor:

Lol, I looked at the meaning of create...
No, every ms doc isn't owned by bill gates but he is credited as the creator of such software.
Great that you get the picture.
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by peggywebbs(f): 9:10pm On Apr 26, 2020
@IamMichael... There is no point trying to disprove the origin of creation. Yes it is God that made each and everyone of us.


The only way you can prove otherwise is if you can show me

Any evidence of a human made womb, human made lungs, heart, kidney, eyes, tongue, breasts, skin with hair pores and follicles, ear drum, blood,etc.


If you can't show all these..then you will agree that everything we make is made of charger, battery, panels, screws and bolts.

I'm yet to find where my electricity cord is. I'm yet to see a robot with taste buds that can eat vegetables and meat. I'm wondering when scientists will be able to make a tissue brain that works. I'm waiting for the first scientist creation that uses oxygen.


If you have no other proof other than a big bang theory, then I'll ask you to reconsider your opinion on creation.

Please don't even go to the issue of aliens because as far as I'm concerned, they haven't been seen either. And if you tell me those weird creatures with big eyes and antenna ears created beautiful men and women, then I pray for you. Seriously.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 11:34pm On Apr 26, 2020
peggywebbs:
@IamMichael... There is no point trying to disprove the origin of creation. Yes it is God that made each and everyone of us.


The only way you can prove otherwise is if you can show me

Any evidence of a human made womb, human made lungs, heart, kidney, eyes, tongue, breasts, skin with hair pores and follicles, ear drum, blood,etc.


If you can't show all these..then you will agree that everything we make is made of charger, battery, panels, screws and bolts.

I'm yet to find where my electricity cord is. I'm yet to see a robot with taste buds that can eat vegetables and meat. I'm wondering when scientists will be able to make a tissue brain that works. I'm waiting for the first scientist creation that uses oxygen.


If you have no other proof other than a big bang theory, then I'll ask you to reconsider your opinion on creation.

Please don't even go to the issue of aliens because as far as I'm concerned, they haven't been seen either. And if you tell me those weird creatures with big eyes and antenna ears created beautiful men and women, then I pray for you. Seriously.

If you ask a scientist about human cloning, they will tell you that it is only "ethical concerns" that is hindering that.
Like it not, our future children are going to discover ways to live longer, and travel across the skies, building colonies accross the galaxy.
In 200yrs, a lot of things that are a big deal today will be very common. Politics of today will not be politics of tomorrow.
I want you to take your time and browse about the wonder's of science and technology.
There are technologies and scientific discoveries running almost everything you use.
When i see people post this questions you posted, I know they are definitely not properly informed.
Please, always do proper researches. Most of the things you think you know are wrong, and it will only happen if you take your time to research...
Don't just believe, confirm it yourself.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by kingxsamz(m): 11:47pm On Apr 26, 2020
It's the same way Christians would tell you that this universe didn't come out of nowhere, that there has to be a being behind its creation, and that being is God.
Now, when you ask them who/what created God, (since nothing can exist without something prompting its existence), they'll tell you that God has always existed and was never created.
I'm like, "doesn't this contradict your point about creation in the first place" ? undecided

Religious people always like to shift, twist or change facts in a way that it suits their ego, because they always want to feel right.
Smh.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by kingxsamz(m): 11:50pm On Apr 26, 2020
cruxgemmata:
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Dark spots on forehead wey be say na friction cause am, repeated contact of the forehead and the mat.

Come see plenty rich dudes wey no get am, why - because na padded rugs dem dey use pray, chop better food.

Unlike the less privilege ones wey dey slam forehead against mat or the ground directly. Na friction dey cause that one. No let anybody jonz u say na God dey put am there.

Op u funny sef with this ur create and produce theory

Lol... Those days, I heard the black spot is a sign that one is prayerful and devoted.
That once one is committed, the sign would appear on his forehead.
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by kingxsamz(m): 11:55pm On Apr 26, 2020
peggywebbs:


Please don't even go to the issue of aliens because as far as I'm concerned, they haven't been seen either. And if you tell me those weird creatures with big eyes and antenna ears created beautiful men and women, then I pray for you. Seriously.


Yeah, the same way your God has been seen multiple times. undecided undecided undecided
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 5:44am On Apr 27, 2020
kingxsamz:
It's the same way Christians would tell you that this universe didn't come out of nowhere, that there has to be a being behind its creation, and that being is God.
Now, when you ask them who/what created God, (since nothing can exist without something prompting its existence), they'll tell you that God has always existed and was never created.
I'm like, "doesn't this contradict your point about creation in the first place" ? undecided

Religious people always like to shift, twist or change facts in a way that it suits their ego, because they always want to feel right.
Smh.
@bolded, the word is "Liars".
They lie a lot to defend what doesn't make sense. Most of them will manufacture côck and bull stories (which are obviously lies) to buttress their claims.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by peggywebbs(f): 5:31pm On Apr 27, 2020
You said 200 years time? So we will still be running on battery. My dear we won't be around in 200 years time.. that's another generation but we will definitely know the truth about the existence of God.


There is nothing to lose in believing the existence of God. Unless you don't believe you have a spirit, I hope you are not waiting for scientist to create a spirit too.

P.s you didn't give me evidence of your science making any useful organs. If you mean developing tissue based on an existing tissue, that is not creating, thats basically discovering.

We have a spirit and that's why when people die, they give their last breath. Science is meant to explain how this are or react, it does not create, it only improves upon already existing matter.





IamMichael:

If you ask a scientist about human cloning, they will tell you that it is only "ethical concerns" that is hindering that.
Like it not, our future children are going to discover ways to live longer, and travel across the skies, building colonies accross the galaxy.
In 200yrs, a lot of things that are a big deal today will be very common. Politics of today will not be politics of tomorrow.
I want you to take your time and browse about the wonder's of science and technology.
There are technologies and scientific discoveries running almost everything you use.
When i see people post this questions you posted, I know they are definitely not properly informed.
Please, always do proper researches. Most of the things you think you know are wrong, and it will only happen if you take your time to research...
Don't just believe, confirm it yourself.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 6:40pm On Apr 27, 2020
peggywebbs:
You said 200 years time? So we will still be running on battery. My dear we won't be around in 200 years time.. that's another generation but we will definitely know the truth about the existence of God.


There is nothing to lose in believing the existence of God. Unless you don't believe you have a spirit, I hope you are not waiting for scientist to create a spirit too.

P.s you didn't give me evidence of your science making any useful organs. If you mean developing tissue based on an existing tissue, that is not creating, thats basically discovering.

We have a spirit and that's why when people die, they give their last breath. Science is meant to explain how this are or react, it does not create, it only improves upon already existing matter.





Even in 10,000yrs from today, we still won't know @bolded.

There is nothing that points to the fact that spirits exist... Except in the various religious mythologies.
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 6:42pm On Apr 27, 2020
kingxsamz:


Lol... Those days, I heard the black spot is a sign that one is prayerful and devoted.
That once one is committed, the sign would appear on his forehead.
Lol... I'm hearing this one now oh...oh boy, no be small thing o.
grin cheesy grin

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by PervertProphet: 6:57pm On Apr 27, 2020
IamMichael:

Your definition is shallow and restricted to only sèxual intercourses!
First of all, try and look at the meaning of the word "create" then come back and read the post again.
Will you say because Bill Gates owns Microsoft which created MS-Word, therefore every document created by MS-Word is owned by Bill Gates?
Will you say because Mr Z created Piano, therefore every tune created on the Piano is owned by Mr Z?

This is exactly what/how your argument sounds!

I looked at the response of that Christian to you and yours to him.
Your response is the one that's shallow and that's because you looking at His response with your Atheistic bias.


What he explained made sense at least from his Religious point of view.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by PervertProphet: 7:06pm On Apr 27, 2020
peggywebbs:
@IamMichael... There is no point trying to disprove the origin of creation. Yes it is God that made each and everyone of us.


The only way you can prove otherwise is if you can show me

Any evidence of a human made womb, human made lungs, heart, kidney, eyes, tongue, breasts, skin with hair pores and follicles, ear drum, blood,etc.


If you can't show all these..then you will agree that everything we make is made of charger, battery, panels, screws and bolts.

I'm yet to find where my electricity cord is. I'm yet to see a robot with taste buds that can eat vegetables and meat. I'm wondering when scientists will be able to make a tissue brain that works. I'm waiting for the first scientist creation that uses oxygen.


If you have no other proof other than a big bang theory, then I'll ask you to reconsider your opinion on creation.

Please don't even go to the issue of aliens because as far as I'm concerned, they haven't been seen either. And if you tell me those weird creatures with big eyes and antenna ears created beautiful men and women, then I pray for you. Seriously.


The funny thing is that the Big Bang Theory even proves God to be true because the Big Bang Theory was first put forward by a Theist, a Christian and later hijacked by Atheists.

And still Big Bang doesn't still provide the answer as to "For every effect, there must be a cause" when it comes to Creation. There are lots of questions left unanswered.

I am very sure that IamMicheal doesn't even anything really about Big Bang. They just hide behind the Theory first proposed by a Catholic to sound like the are some "logical smart" individual.

Hahahaha! You know that Mgbeke feeling funky type of Phenomenon.

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by Nobody: 8:42pm On Apr 27, 2020
Because you heard contradicting opinions and conflicting theories from them doesn't mean you've met the true worshipers of the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob in our time! smiley
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 4:43am On Apr 28, 2020
Maximus69:
Because you heard contradicting opinions and conflicting theories from them doesn't mean you've met the true worshipers of the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob in our time! smiley
Lol... True worshipper's indeed.

I have met with hundreds of your alleged true worshipper's, and there is nothing to show that there is any correlation between what they claim to worship and what a mentally delusional person experiences.

This is a an ongoing thread in Nairaland:

https://www.nairaland.com/5780709/thread-mental-emancipation-indoctrinated-religious

I have exposed a lot of Nigerian (Christians) poor claims with regards to religion and their alleged experiences with God.
When i even probed one of the true christians further @southniyikaye in the above thread, he revealed that God saved him from a snake bite in his bathroom/toilet. However, after exposing his Ignorance on his lack of caution and environment being the primary reason why snake almost bit him in his bathroom/toilet, he became angry. Typical attitude of true worshipper's who are always ready to assign to God what they don't understand/know!!!
Whenever you disprove their silly claim exactly for what it is, they become angry or they run away.

In the same thread, two of the true christian believers @aadoiza and shadeyinka said i should go look for God myself instead of running around Nairaland looking for the coordinates, implying that obviously, he himself @aadoiza has found God.
So, i asked one of them this simple questions:


1) - Have you found God?
- Have you seen God?
- Have you heard from God before in your
entire life?
- Have you felt God before in your entire life?
- If you have felt God, what exactly did you feel?

2) - How did you find God?
- What did he look like when you saw him?
- What did he sound like when you heard him?
- How did you realise what you are feeling was
God?

3) - In what ways does God manifest himself in
your life?
- What is the most visible thing that is a direct
resultant of your meeting with God?

I'm sure as a wise man, you don't need the bible to answer the above questions sincerely as someone who has found God.

As I expected, he ran away!!!
So, if you are truly a true christian as you alleged, those questions are open to you to answer as well!

Regards!!!
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by Nobody: 5:23am On Apr 28, 2020
IamMichael:

Lol... True worshipper's indeed.

I have met with hundreds of your alleged true worshipper's, and there is nothing to show that there is any correlation between what they claim to worship and what a mentally delusional person experiences.

This is a an ongoing thread in Nairaland:

https://www.nairaland.com/5780709/thread-mental-emancipation-indoctrinated-religious

I have exposed a lot of Nigerian (Christians) poor claims with regards to religion and their alleged experiences with God.
When i even probed one of the true christians further @southniyikaye in the above thread, he revealed that God saved him from a snake bite in his bathroom/toilet. However, after exposing his Ignorance on his lack of caution and environment being the primary reason why snake almost bit him in his bathroom/toilet, he became angry. Typical attitude of true worshipper's who are always ready to assign to God what they don't understand/know!!!
Whenever you disprove their silly claim exactly for what it is, they become angry or they run away.

In the same thread, two of the true christian believers @aadoiza and shadeyinka said i should go look for God myself instead of running around Nairaland looking for the coordinates, implying that obviously, he himself @aadoiza has found God.
So, i asked one of them this simple questions:



As I expected, he ran away!!!
So, if you are truly a true christian as you alleged, those questions are open to you to answer as well!

Regards!!!


You are welcome Sir!

Hmmmmmmmm! smiley

Well let me assure you that you've not mentioned one single Christian in all! undecided

All these people are misinformed churchgoers claiming Christians!

First of all i want you to know that

KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information, surely any good reader and listener will possess it.

But

WISDOM is the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefits, so wisdom is scarce.

There are three factors of divine wisdom!

THEORIES
PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS
BENEFITS

So to ascertain the true source of divine guidance, try to view all religious concepts as mere THEORIES whether the Bible, Qur'an or any other religious book and/or group. Then their way of sacred service as the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what all that's found in their seemingly stupid theories. Then comes the most important aspect which is LASTING BENEFITS.

All the concepts in this world are just like theories so ask for the practical application from adherents then try and see if there is any benefit in all they're infusing in their brains!

I tell you today that all the religious and none religious groups saying they know something about life will fail to pass these three tests, except the one and only TRUE RELIGION from God!

Once again you are welcome Sir! smiley
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 5:38am On Apr 28, 2020
Maximus69:


You are welcome Sir!

Hmmmmmmmm! smiley

Well let me assure you that you've not mentioned one single Christian in all! undecided

All these people are misinformed churchgoers claiming Christians!

First of all i want you to know that

KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information, surely any good reader and listener will possess it.

But

WISDOM is the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefits, so wisdom is scarce.

There are three factors of divine wisdom!

THEORIES
PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS
BENEFITS


So to ascertain the true source of divine guidance, try to view all religious concepts as mere THEORIES whether the Bible, Qur'an or any other religious book and/or group. Then their way of sacred service as the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what all that's found in their seemingly stupid theories. Then comes the most important aspect which is LASTING BENEFITS.

All the concepts in this world are just like theories so ask for the practical application from adherents then try and see if there is any benefit in all they're infusing in their brains!

I tell you today that all the religious and none religious groups saying they know something about life will fail to pass these three tests, except the one and only TRUE RELIGION from God!

Once again you are welcome Sir! smiley
(Smiles).

I like your line of thoughts, and i must confess this is new to me, I mean your own approach.

So, in line with your three factors of divine wisdom@bolded, here are my three questions:

1) What are your theories of God?

2) In what direct practical ways have you applied and observed this theories?

3) What are the direct resultant benefits from the application of these theories you are referring to?


Regards!!!
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by Nobody: 6:56am On Apr 28, 2020
IamMichael:

(Smiles).

I like your line of thoughts, and i must confess this is new to me, I mean your own approach.

So, in line with your three factors of divine wisdom@bolded, here are my three questions:

1) What are your theories of God?

2) In what direct practical ways have you applied and observed this theories?

3) What are the direct resultant benefits from the application of these theories you are referring to?


Regards!!!

(1) God is a spirit being claiming to be the one and only Supreme, in his word (Bible) he made it clear that he should be addressed as "HE" because before the creation of humans he said "let us make man in our own image", and it was later discovered in his word that he first created one gender and after few days he removed part of the body of the first gender to make another. The first human called the second "woman".
A careful study of the Bible makes us understand that God only make mention of females when they does something noteworthy, that's why people keep asking "where did Cain got a wife?" {Genesis 5:4}
Even Jesus' siblings were mentioned by name (only the males)! Mark 6:3

So he claims to be the one who created the heavens (the visible sky, the mighty invisible planets and the spirit realms) and the earth (our planet home). He claims to be the one and only guide who can help us make the best use of our freewill, refusal to concur will lead us into hurtful things and finally our expiration! Genesis 2:17

He has fine attributes that we ought to possess as his image out of which we were endowed with nine during creation:- Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Goodness, Kindness, Faith, Mildness and Self-control {Galatians 5:22-23} but our first parents decided to alienate themselves from him and gradually their descendants lost all these nine qualities, replacing them with hurtful ones! Galatians 5:19-21

Our death today is the result of the choice made by our first parents {Roman 5:12} but God promised to rescue obedient ones amongst us and restore them back to his Original purpose (living as youths forever), that's why he transformed one of his spirit sons in heaven into human, this one will live in our midst as a Son, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

He is the one who will now train us on how we can start cultivating the lost personality God wanted in us {Ephesians 4:24 Colossians 3:10} so all those who are able to make the best use of this provision will be granted the privilege to live forever! John 3:16

Question (2) to be continued....

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Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by Nobody: 7:15am On Apr 28, 2020
(2) Michael came to us as Jesus and began a preaching and teaching work to help humble people regain divine favour. Matthew 4:17
He started gathering people and teaching them how to go about this training, those trained must avail themselves voluntarily to help in training others. Matthew 10:3-15; Luke 10:1
They are to search for a special kind of people (lost sheep of the house of Israel)
LOST means confused individuals who wants to know the purpose of life and what the Creator wants from us.
SHEEP means they are humble in the heart but due to the stress and anxieties of life might be aggressive so patience is required on the part of those searching!
HOUSE means they want to know the group that's teaching the truth about God!
ISRAEL means their earnest desire to belong to the family of Faith!

So the worshipers of the true God must go from city to city, town to town, house to house and door to door in search of such ones, teaching them to observe all the things Jesus taught us! Matthew 28:19-20

Question (3) To be continued...
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by Nobody: 7:43am On Apr 28, 2020
(3) After the commissioning of this global preaching and teaching program, an evil genius disrupted the arrangement by killing all the pioneers of Jesus' teachings and replacing it with a counterfeit form of Christianity!
This happened almost 200 years after Jesus commissioned the program so the only religion known as Christians from then till about 1000 years later is the AntiChrist known today as the Roman Catholic Church!
Many of the members protested against the Church due to their oppresive attitude and that's how most of today's religions emerged (including Islam)

The benefits of Jesus' teachings wasn't felt much during the first century because the Jews didn't fancy Jesus' peace keeping mission, but during the late 1800s America (the nation gradually becoming the world power) declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship, and that was the moment of a turn around for God's true servants to begin shining the way Jesus planned it!

A small group of Bible students began digging deep into God's word and they discovered so many false teachings that the churches of Christendom have used to brainwash people into Racism and Politics.

So they organised themselves and began teaching themselves the truth as found in God's word.

God favoured this group by giving them his blessings in 1919 after they had been imprisoned for opposing the false teachings of Christendom Churches, they were directed by God's holy spirit to restart the preaching and teaching program Jesus commissioned back then in 1919.

Last year makes 100 years of their zealous preaching and teaching program globally, the result of their application!

©They have succeeded in catching people from different races under the heavens and making them vow never to raise up weapons for any reason whatsoever! Isaiah 2:2-4
©They have formed a global family of peace loving worshipers that can easily relate with one another no matter the tribe, nation or race they may come from! John 17:20-23
©They are the most peaceable in any society you find them!
©They have been taught to have deep love for humble honest hearted and sincere people like themselves in any nation! John 13:34-35
©They have the best husbands, wives and children regarding happy and peaceful homes.
© They are very patient and kind because they trust in the timing of their God to right all wrongs, while other religions have turned to rage killing their fellow man.
© They exert themselves vigorously to help in reaching other honest hearted people in their neighbourhood until Covid19 pandemic stopped them!

So from 1919~2019 they have trained over 8,700,000 people from different races to embrace the message of PEACE globally.

Their central unit of control known as Governing Body ordered them to stop going to knock on people's doors due to Covid19, to me it's like God is sending a warning to the whole world because they restarted the program in 1919 and in 2019 they were ordered to stop globally due to a pandemic named Covid19!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Thanks!
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 9:34am On Apr 28, 2020
Maximus69:
(3) After the commissioning of this global preaching and teaching program, an evil genius disrupted the arrangement by killing all the pioneers of Jesus' teachings and replacing it with a counterfeit form of Christianity!
This happened almost 200 years after Jesus commissioned the program so the only religion known as Christians from then till about 1000 years later is the AntiChrist known today as the Roman Catholic Church!
Many of the members protested against the Church due to their oppresive attitude and that's how most of today's religions emerged (including Islam)

The benefits of Jesus' teachings wasn't felt much during the first century because the Jews didn't fancy Jesus' peace keeping mission, but during the late 1800s America (the nation gradually becoming the world power) declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship, and that was the moment of a turn around for God's true servants to begin shining the way Jesus planned it!

A small group of Bible students began digging deep into God's word and they discovered so many false teachings that the churches of Christendom have used to brainwash people into Racism and Politics.

So they organised themselves and began teaching themselves the truth as found in God's word.

God favoured this group by giving them his blessings in 1919 after they had been imprisoned for opposing the false teachings of Christendom Churches, they were directed by God's holy spirit to restart the preaching and teaching program Jesus commissioned back then in 1919.

Last year makes 100 years of their zealous preaching and teaching program globally, the result of their application!

©They have succeeded in catching people from different races under the heavens and making them vow never to raise up weapons for any reason whatsoever! Isaiah 2:2-4
©They have formed a global family of peace loving worshipers that can easily relate with one another no matter the tribe, nation or race they may come from! John 17:20-23
©They are the most peaceable in any society you find them!
©They have been taught to have deep love for humble honest hearted and sincere people like themselves in any nation! John 13:34-35
©They have the best husbands, wives and children regarding happy and peaceful homes.
© They are very patient and kind because they trust in the timing of their God to right all wrongs, while other religions have turned to rage killing their fellow man.
© They exert themselves vigorously to help in reaching other honest hearted people in their neighbourhood until Covid19 pandemic stopped them!

So from 1919~2019 they have trained over 8,700,000 people from different races to embrace the message of PEACE globally.

Their central unit of control known as Governing Body ordered them to stop going to knock on people's doors due to Covid19, to me it's like God is sending a warning to the whole world because they restarted the program in 1919 and in 2019 they were ordered to stop globally due to a pandemic named Covid19!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Thanks!
I see what you did there... Hahahaha...
Now let's see my own reply from a remixed version:


After the commissioning of this global preaching and teaching program, an evil genius disrupted the arrangement by killing all the pioneers of Eradin's' teachings and replacing it with a counterfeit form of Eradinism!
This happened almost 200 years after Jesus commissioned the program so the only religion known as Eradinism from then till about 1000 years later is the AntiChrist known today as the Cow Dungers!
Many of the members protested against the Cow Dungers due to their oppresive attitude and that's how most of today's religions emerged (including Islam)

The benefits of Eradins' teachings wasn't felt much during the first century because the Palestinianss didn't fancy Eradins' peace keeping mission, but during the late 1800s America (the nation gradually becoming the world power) declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship, and that was the moment of a turn around for God's true servants to begin shining the way Eradin planned it!

A small group of Bible students began digging deep into God's word and they discovered so many false teachings that the churches of Christendom have used to brainwash people into Racism and Politics.

So they organised themselves and began teaching themselves the truth as found in God's word taught by Eradin himself.

God favoured this group by giving them his blessings in 1919 after they had been imprisoned for opposing the false teachings of Christendom Churches, they were directed by God's holy spirit to restart the preaching and teaching program Eradin commissioned back then in 1919.

Last year makes 100 years of their zealous preaching and teaching program globally, the result of their application!

©They have succeeded in catching people from different races under the heavens and making them vow never to raise up weapons for any reason whatsoever! Rana 2:2-4
©They have formed a global family of peace loving worshipers that can easily relate with one another no matter the tribe, nation or race they may come from! Erbu 17:20-23
©They are the most peaceable in any society you find them!
©They have been taught to have deep love for humble honest hearted and sincere people like themselves in any nation! Liyul 13:34-35
©They have the best husbands, wives and children regarding happy and peaceful homes.
© They are very patient and kind because they trust in the timing of their God to right all wrongs, while other religions have turned to rage killing their fellow man.
© They exert themselves vigorously to help in reaching other honest hearted people in their neighbourhood until Covid19 pandemic stopped them!

To me, it's like God is sending a warning to the whole world because they restarted the program in 1919 and in 2019 they were ordered to stop globally due to a pandemic named Covid19!

We are ERADINA'S WITNESSES!

Thanks!
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by Nobody: 10:26am On Apr 28, 2020
IamMichael:

I see what you did there... Hahahaha...
Now let's see my own reply from a remixed version:

Without further inquiries, i think the difference between true Christianity and those with whom you've been entertaining yourself!

Now you can continue playing with your friends! wink
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by LordReed(m): 10:39am On Apr 28, 2020
NuclearReactor:

Its a simple something(from a Christian perspective)
God Created the first humans... He would have decided to continue creating every other person just like the first humans, but he didn't...
Instead he enacted a process/system from which other humans would come into the world...
By sexual union of people of opposite sexes...
Anytime 2 people of opposite sexes engage the laws of that process, they are bound to get the results(children)...
So your parents didn't create you... No, they only engaged the natural laws of creation(instituted by God)
If they created you then they would have been the one to soverignly determine your physical appearance, physique, etc...
God is the Creator, your parents is the vehicle through which you are created!!!
Its that Simple!!

So by this your reasoning god created children with cancer and other debilitating conditions they emerge with from the womb. You think such a god is good?
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by NuclearReactor(m): 11:05am On Apr 28, 2020
kingxsamz:
It's the same way Christians would tell you that this universe didn't come out of nowhere, that there has to be a being behind its creation, and that being is God.
Now, when you ask them who/what created God, (since nothing can exist without something prompting its existence), they'll tell you that God has always existed and was never created.
I'm like, "doesn't this contradict your point about creation in the first place" ? undecided

Religious people always like to shift, twist or change facts in a way that it suits their ego, because they always want to feel right.
Smh.
Throughout scriptures they are few instances where the questions of how was God created is addressed!! But we inherently believe God was uncreated, that other things were created doesn't make it a must for God to be Created!!!
One reason I believe scriptures didn't address that question properly is that it is something beyond our human understanding...
We as human are familiar with the concept of time, God is timeless, beyond time, time waits for him!!
So the concept of him existing before from time(notice I didn't say from the beginning because our minds can't even grasp that) is not easy with our human understanding, bottom line, we know he was uncreated in hearts, we must be able to explain everything but ok with the witness in our hearts!!
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by NuclearReactor(m): 11:15am On Apr 28, 2020
LordReed:


So by this your reasoning god created children with cancer and other debilitating conditions they emerge with from the womb. You think such a god is good?
There are many medical reasons behind children being born with illnesses, most are genetic, transferred from parent to children, whatever the case, many times the natural laws of medicine were at work... This time to the disadvantage of such children, Blaming God for the not so nice results of the many things that happen naturally and not even giving him due praise for the good ones is just plain silly
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by IamMichael(m): 11:55am On Apr 28, 2020
Maximus69:


Without further inquiries, i think the difference between true Christianity and those with whom you've been entertaining yourself!

Now you can continue playing with your friends! wink
I don't understand?
Re: I Asked This Question About Creation To A Christian And A Muslim by LordReed(m): 12:12pm On Apr 28, 2020
NuclearReactor:

There are many medical reasons behind children being born with illnesses, most are genetic, transferred from parent to children, whatever the case, many times the natural laws of medicine were at work... This time to the disadvantage of such children, Blaming God for the not so nice results of the many things that happen naturally and not even giving him due praise for the good ones is just plain silly


Yes so your god is responsible for everything both good and bad. Your god creates newborns with cancer and other debilitating conditions, such a wonderful god.

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