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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by mamajaz(f): 4:32pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not call you to do as Nehemiah or abraham did. He called you to do as He commands you and He too did. undecided

So when Jesus Christ declared that it is a sin for you to fight your enemy in any way or form, He, Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God, expects you to obey.

Self-defense is a sin.


To your faith, add knowledge. Shikena.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 4:32pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ is the absolute Truth of God. So what Jesus Christ commands that you do is what God declares that you must do. undecided

2. God is God of Laws and Jesus Christ is God's Law to you as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. So when you obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ, you obey God. undecided

3. Sin is disobedience of God's Law. So when you refuse to obey what Jesus Christ has said, even in this case, you commit sin against God. undecided

4. What that then means is that when Jesus Christ says you should not defend yourself , but you proceed to do otherwise, you commit sin against God Himself. undecided

5. These teachings that constitute God's Law have been here for over 2000 years. God is not going to come down to force you to heed them or obey them but be sure that He will never bend His Truth to accommodate even you. undecided

You still never show me the one scripture that Jesus states self defense is a SIN ABSOLUTELY. I will wait till you are ready to bring it out.

You made mention of Stephen earlier, Let me ask you this, did STEPHEN defend himself or not?

This will show how well you understand SELF DEFENSE.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Nobody: 4:33pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ calls you to die to self... that very survival instinct, you are called to rid yourself of it, if you want to become a follower of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Imagine if all progenitors of christianity didn't defend themselves n all died off, how u wan hear about the religion?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Nobody: 4:33pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
If you had bothered to read through the entire context, you would have noted where Jesus Christ rebuked His apostle for using that sword to defend Him too. undecided

Too many of you are pick-and-choose Christians were the teachings of Jesus Christ is concerned. And this because you still have no real understanding as to who Jesus Christ is relation to the new life you claim to have in Him. undecided

So why did jesus tell dem to buy sword?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by subcbouy: 4:36pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Yes it is!
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Stop all this erroneous doctrine. Even it is written that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. It can only become sin if you go attack people without reason. In this context it isn't a sin to defend yourself when being attacked. Go read the book of Nehemiah to see how he strategically defend himself and his people from conspiracy.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 4:36pm On May 02
mamajaz:

To your faith, add knowledge. Shikena.
Your faith is dead if it is not built on Truth of God, the teachings of Jesus Christ. All the knowledge you need is Jesus Christ for He is the one you are called to put your trust in and obey. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 4:38pm On May 02
achorladey:

You still never show me the one scripture that Jesus states self defense is a SIN ABSOLUTELY. I will wait till you are ready to bring it out.

You made mention of Stephen earlier, Let me ask you this, did STEPHEN defend himself or not?

This will show how well you understand SELF DEFENSE.
In Stephen's story we are clearly made to see the possible result of obedience to God's commandment and what we ought to be ready for. undecided

Stephen did exactly as Jesus Christ commanded. He didn't defend himself and He even prayed for His enemies and they pummeled him with stones. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 4:40pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
When His "enemies" touched His prophets of Old, including John the Baptist, the last of them, were they, the prophets" rendered imperfect in God's eyes as a result? undecided

When Stephen was stoned to death was he, Stephen, rendered imperfect by that, in the sight of God? undecided

When James and many of the other apostles were killed/murdered by men, where they rendered imperfect as a result? undecided

Jesus Christ made it clear that that which makes you imperfect(sinful) is not what comes from the outside but instead what comes from inside of you..disobedience which you have stored up in your heart.... that is the only thing that can render you imperfect in the sight of God. undecided

Jesus Christ also told you that you should not fear those who can kill your body but instead fear the one who is able to kill both your body and soul. undecided


Kobojunkiee learn to be balance. No be to win discussion the Op take ask question.

You mentioned John the Baptist, Stephen make I add Jesus too paapaa cheesy


What does the above tell me? Simple, God didn't defend them or act in self-defense on their behalf when these ones are attacked physically.

The question this will lead to is, has our heavenly father never defended or act in self-defense concerning those that are the apple of his eyes before?

I want to see the other side of your examples.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 4:43pm On May 02
PrecisionFx:

Imagine if all progenitors of christianity didn't defend themselves n all died off, how u wan hear about the religion?
Are you saying that God Himself is incapable of handling His own Kingdom concerns without the "help" of men? undecided

In Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34, God declared of His New Covenant, that no longer will a man look to His neighbor to teach Him about God, instead He,God, will teach them of His own self. Ponder the meaning in that for a bit and see that even if all the "progenitors" were killed off, God will continue to teach each man of Himself as He has been doing from even before then. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by subcbouy: 4:43pm On May 02
How would you be making reference to authority coming to arrest and defending yourself? Op wrote robber attack and not authority attacking you.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 4:44pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
In Stephen's story we are clearly made to see the possible result of obedience to God's commandment and what we ought to be ready for. undecided

Stephen did exactly as Jesus Christ commanded. He didn't defend himself and He even prayed for His enemies and they pummeled him with stones. undecided

Did Stephen defend himself? According to you he didn't

Acts 7 : 1 Then the high priest asked Stephen, “Are these charges true?” 2 To this he replied: “Brothers and fathers,(A) listen to me! The God of glory(B) appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Harran.

What is Stephen doing here?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 4:44pm On May 02
PrecisionFx:

So why did jesus tell dem to buy sword?
Jesus Christ was simply "preparing the stage" ,if you will, for the next prophesy spoken by Isaiah to be fulfilled moments later. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 4:45pm On May 02
achorladey:

Did Stephen defend himself? According to you he didn't

Acts 7 : 1 Then the high priest asked Stephen, “Are these charges true?” 2 To this he replied: “Brothers and fathers,(A) listen to me! The God of glory(B) appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Harran.

What is Stephen doing here?
So, calling on them to listen to him implies he defended himself? undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 4:51pm On May 02
achorladey:

Kobojunkiee learn to be balance. No be to win discussion the Op take ask question.

You mentioned John the Baptist, Stephen make I add Jesus too paapaa cheesy
What does the above tell me? Simple, God didn't defend them or act in self-defense on their behalf when these ones are attacked physically.

The question this will lead to is, has our heavenly father never defended or act in self-defense concerning those that are the apple of his eyes before?

I want to see the other side of your examples.
The phrase "Apple of God's eyes" comes from Old testament, does it not? So it makes sense to show that God's tactic on this has not changed at all in this. undecided

As for examples of God defending His own, there are numerous but my question then to you is what good is it listing examples of God defending a someone, say 20 times before, when in the end, the same someone ended up murdered by the very same enemies? undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Ayomivic(m): 4:53pm On May 02
Princewell2012:
When someone enters my house with a weapon and wanted to attack me, but I quickly fight back and harm him. Have I committed any sin or offence before God?

Well why I brought this question is this. During the period of the lockdown, when one million boys were disturbing and threatening the whole places. I decided to join the boys in my neighborhood to move around with cutlass to keep our environment safe. Yes I know God is our protector. A lots of people criticized it even my wife. Please is it wrong for me to engage in such a thing.

Please don't mind my grammatical blunders.
Thank you.

To me , I think self defence is not a sin but it has the limit you can do when you want to defend yourself. We all knows that war is not a sin I you are the good guys that wanted to protect life and properties or free yourself from oppressor as children of Israel fought to free themselves from oppressors .

but I think it is best to save yourself by escaping or injure the operators if there is a chance to do than aim to kill because as a Christian the first thing to think of is peace. Remember God told israelites that when they are approaching a war with a one nation, they should first negotiate peace with that nation but if they disagreed with the peace they offered, then , they can give to them what they want the fault is not in them.

Also remember God told them not to follow multitude to do evil
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 4:54pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
So, calling on them to listen to him implies he defended himself? undecided

Oga Kobojunkiee did you see charges labelled against him?

What was he doing when he asked THEM to listen to him?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 4:57pm On May 02
subcbouy:
Stop all this erroneous doctrine. Even it is written that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. It can only become sin if you go attack people without reason. In this context it isn't a sin to defend yourself when being attacked. Go read the book of Nehemiah to see how he strategically defend himself and his people from conspiracy.
1. Always be sure to consider the contextual meanings of verses you quote so you do not end up deceived in your rush to sound knowledgeable.

2. Where God declared that the people suffer for lack of knowledge, the knowledge God referred to there is that of His comammdents as far as sin is concerned, something you are obviously lacking here, it seems. undecided

3. Jesus Christ is the Law of God given to you and He clearly tells you that instead you should not attack anyone or fight back in anyway... be sure you have a clear understanding of His teachings please. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

4. Nehemiah was not a follower of Jesus Christ, nor was he called by God to teach you. Jesus Christ is God's own Truth to you as regards what you should obey. And this made this clear to you, when over and over, He declared that those who truly love Him are those who obey His commandments, not Nehemiah's commandments. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:00pm On May 02
achorladey:

Oga Kobojunkiee did you see charges labelled against him?
What was he doing when he asked THEM to listen to him?
Stephen was preaching to them. It was Stephen's preaching of God sending Jesus Christ that informed that mob against him in the first place. And rather than stop, he, Stephen, continued preaching to them about Jesus Christ, the New Law from God. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:01pm On May 02
Ayomivic:

To me , I think self defence is not a sin but it has the limit you can do when you want to defend yourself. We all knows that war is not a sin I you are the good guys that wanted to protect life and properties or free yourself from oppressor as children of Israel fought to free themselves from oppressors .

but I think it is best to save yourself by escaping or injure the operators if there is a chance to do than aim to kill because as a Christian the first thing to think of is peace. Remember God told israelites that when they are approaching a war with a one nation, they should first negotiate peace with that nation but if they disagreed with the peace they offered, then , they can give to them what they want the fault is not in them.

Also remember God told them not to follow multitude to do evil
Jesus Christ commands against self-defense hence it is a sin. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 5:02pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
The phrase "Apple of God's eyes" comes from Old testament, does it not? So it makes sense to show that God's tactic on this has not changed at all in this. undecided

As for examples of God defending His own, there are numerous but my question then to you is what good is it listing examples of God defending a someone, say 20 times before, when in the end, the same someone ended up murdered by the very same enemies? undecided

As for examples of God defending His own, there are numerous

Thank you, na two-way street we dey now concerning SELF DEFENSE.

but my question then to you is

Ok

what good is it listing examples of God defending a someone say 20 times before, when in the end, the same someone ended up murdered by the very same enemies?

Whatever good their is for you to think of or drawn from the lessons obtain from those examples which can be seen in your question rephrased below

what good is it listing examples of Jesus resurrecting people who died during his day when in the end, the same people ended up dead by the very same enemies we all hate DEATH?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:07pm On May 02
achorladey:

As for examples of God defending His own, there are numerous
Thank you, na two-way street we dey now concerning SELF DEFENSE.
but my question then to you is
Ok
what good is it listing examples of God defending a someone say 20 times before, when in the end, the same someone ended up murdered by the very same enemies?
Whatever good their is for you to think of or drawn from the lessons obtain from those examples which can be seen in your question rephrased below

what good is it listing examples of Jesus resurrecting people who died during his day when in the end, the same people ended up dead by the very same enemies we all hate DEATH?
Ok, let's consider the story of James. undecided

God saved James numerous times. First when he was still a disciple of John, that he did not end up killed in the same way as his then teacher, and then when Jesus Christ was taken to be crucified - james life was spared as they all ran and hid for safety. However, not too long after, James was murdered by the very same Jewish persecutors of Jesus Christ and His followers. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 5:08pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Stephen was preaching to them. It was Stephen's preaching of God sending Jesus Christ that informed that mob against him in the first place. And rather than stop, he, Stephen, continued preaching to them about Jesus Christ, the New Law from God. undecided

Now Stephen, a man full of God’s grace and power, performed great wonders and signs(R) among the people. 9 Opposition arose, however, from members of the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called)—Jews of Cyrene(S) and Alexandria as well as the provinces of Cilicia(T) and Asia(U)—who began to argue with Stephen. 10 But they could not stand up against the wisdom the Spirit gave him as he spoke.(V)

11 Then they secretly(W) persuaded some men to say, “We have heard Stephen speak blasphemous words against Moses and against God.”(X)

12 So they stirred up the people and the elders and the teachers of the law. They seized Stephen and brought him before the Sanhedrin. 13 They produced false witnesses, who testified, “This fellow never stops speaking against this holy place and against the law. 14 For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs Moses handed down to us.”

15 All who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at Stephen, and they saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

Acts 7 : 1 Then the high priest asked Stephen, “Are these charges true?” 2 To this he replied: “Brothers and fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Harran.


You can see the charges against him and you can see how he responded to those charges in Acts 7?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:13pm On May 02
achorladey:

Now Stephen, a man full of God’s grace and power, performed great wonders and signs(R) among the people. 9 Opposition arose, however, from members of the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called)—Jews of Cyrene(S) and Alexandria as well as the provinces of Cilicia(T) and Asia(U)—who began to argue with Stephen. 10 But they could not stand up against the wisdom the Spirit gave him as he spoke.(V)

11 Then they secretly(W) persuaded some men to say, “We have heard Stephen speak blasphemous words against Moses and against God.”(X)

12 So they stirred up the people and the elders and the teachers of the law. They seized Stephen and brought him before the Sanhedrin.
13 They produced false witnesses, who testified, “This fellow never stops speaking against this holy place and against the law.
14 For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs Moses handed down to us.”

15 All who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at Stephen, and they saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

Acts 7 : 1 Then the high priest asked Stephen, “Are these charges true?” 2 To this he replied: “Brothers and fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Harran.

You can see the charges against him and you can see how he responded to those charges in Acts 7?
Ok undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 5:21pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Ok, let's consider the story of James. undecided

God saved James numerous times. First when he was still a disciple of John, that he did not end up killed in the same way as his then teacher, and then when Jesus Christ was taken to be crucified - james life was spared as they all ran and hid for safety. However, not too long after, James was murdered by the very same Jewish persecutors of Jesus Christ and His followers. undecided

So in essence do you think there was no lesson to be learnt about God saving James numerous times and that such action had no value or importance?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:30pm On May 02
achorladey:

So in essence do you think there was no lesson to be learnt about God saving James numerous times and that such action had no value or importance?
I am not one of them pastors who tries to mine every situation for positives and the lot. I like to subscribe to the hardcore Truth as presented. undecided

Jesus Christ died at the age of ~33. James died give or take a couple of years after that. Stephen was a young lad who died young. Many of the other disciples met their end in tragic ways. Many of the first Christian's, many of them true followers of Jesus Christ, also met their end in tragic manner. undecided

What do I say all that to mean? Jesus Christ was not kidding when He declared that you have to hate your life if you want to be His follower. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 5:42pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
I am not one of them pastors who tries to mine every situation for positives and the lot. I like to subscribe to the hardcore Truth as presented. undecided

Jesus Christ died at the age of ~33. James died give or take a couple of years after that. Stephen was a young lad who died young. Many of the other disciples met their end in tragic ways. Many of the first Christian's, many of them true followers of Jesus Christ, also met their end in tragic manner. undecided

What do I say all that to mean? Jesus Christ was not kidding when He declared that you have to hate your life if you want to be His follower. undecided

I am not one of them pastors who tries to mine every situation for positives and the lot.

I didn't say you are one. Being a pastor or not is irrelevant to the discussion

I like to subscribe to the hardcore Truth as presented.

I believe those you are in discussion with here too subscribe to the truth that set men free. Jesus himself said, we will be free if he set us free.

Jesus Christ died at the age of ~33. James died give or take a couple of years after that. Stephen was a young lad who died young. Many of the other disciples met their end in tragic ways. Many of the first Christian's, many of them true followers of Jesus Christ, also met their end in tragic manner.

All well recorded in the scripture.

What do I say all that to mean? Jesus Christ was not kidding when He declared that you have to hate your life if you want to be His follower

And nowhere did he say self defense is a Sin ABSOLUTELY.

To add to your numerous example, when.....

Jesus was born, Herod was seeking to kill him. What did Mary and Joseph do as instructed? They were asked to head to EGYPT that to is an act of self defense?

They could have just stayed an allow their enemies catch up with them and when Jesus is collected from them and killed, God can easily tell Mary don't worry we will produce another Jesus even when they keep killing him on numerous occasion.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by subcbouy: 5:46pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
1. Always be sure to consider the contextual meanings of verses you quote so you do not end up deceived in your rush to sound knowledgeable.

2. Where God declared that the people suffer for lack of knowledge, the knowledge God referred to there is that of His comammdents as far as sin is concerned, something you are obviously lacking here, it seems. undecided

3. Jesus Christ is the Law of God given to you and He clearly tells you that instead you should not attack anyone or fight back in anyway... be sure you have a clear understanding of His teachings please. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided


4. Nehemiah was not a follower of Jesus Christ, nor was he called by God to teach you. Jesus Christ is God's own Truth to you as regards what you should obey. And this made this clear to you, when over and over, He declared that those who truly love Him are those who obey His commandments, not Nehemiah's commandments. undecided
4. If Nehemiah wasn't a follower of Jesus Christ why did you read Bible then? It shows that you really need Bible knowledge to understand that everything in the Bible is written for our correction, warning, encouragement and reproofing in righteousness.

3. You need to know the context of argument here. Defending yourself from being attacked by robber is different from defending yourself from an arrest. The former is permitted by law to defend yourself, and the latter becomes unlawful to defend yourself from arrest, in the case of Jesus Christ you mentioned earlier.

2. No, It isn't only making reference to the commandment alone. when you lack knowledge of anything physically, mentally and spiritually you will definitely suffer for it. It is of this that you are advised to seek knowledge.

1. Go read the book of Nehemiah and the story of Jesus christ you quoted, make difference between individual plotting to attack you and authority coming to arrest you.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:47pm On May 02
achorladey:

I am not one of them pastors who tries to mine every situation for positives and the lot.

I didn't say you are one. Being a pastor or not is irrelevant to the discussion

I like to subscribe to the hardcore Truth as presented.

I believe those you are in discussion with here to subscribe to the truth that set men free. Jesus himself said, we will be free if he set us free.

Jesus Christ died at the age of ~33. James died give or take a couple of years after that. Stephen was a young lad who died young. Many of the other disciples met their end in tragic ways. Many of the first Christian's, many of them true followers of Jesus Christ, also met their end in tragic manner.

All well recorded in the scripture.

What do I say all that to mean? Jesus Christ was not kidding when He declared that you have to hate your life if you want to be His follower

And nowhere did he say self defense is a Sin ABSOLUTELY.

To add to your numerous example, when.....

Jesus was born, Herod was seeking to kill him. What did Mary and Joseph do as instructed? They were asked to head to EGYPT that to is an act of self defense?

They could have just stayed an allow their enemies catch up with them and when Jesus is collected from them and killed, God can easily tell Mary don't worry we will produce another Jesus even when they keep killing him on numerous occasion.
You know what, Jesus Christ said those who truly Love Him(His Truth included) are those who accept and obey His commandments. Saying you love Him means nothing of you don't trust and obey Him. undecided

This is what Jesus Christ says of self-defense and fighting back. Those who disobey, sin against God.

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
That's all
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by truespeak: 5:51pm On May 02
ChiefSosa:
Yes chief, I do understand the fact that they were made or could have been made in any skin color! Hell, Adam and Eve could have even been Asians. My point is mainly in the assumption I made. Please, shine some light on your last sentence especially the "subsequents" part 'cause I've never heard of 2 people of the same race giving birth to a totally different race. Please, note there's difference between race and color. A light skin black man is different from a dark/chocolate skin black man; they're same race but different skin tone.

You speak as a creation thus you fail to understand that your Creator has the power to do as He Wills with His creation or not to do still in accordance to His Will!

By this Power He can choose to make His First creation any colour and you forget that their children also He Created, their parents did not and no parent created their children!

This it is erroneous for you to expect that because they were of a type of colour which we know not, for both parents could be of different colours but again we know not, therefore the children must be of that kind!

He can choose to make them of the same colour or different, but every parent knows or ought to know that is the sole prerogative of the Creator!

The parents have no say in what child the Creator shall make and place in their care, for they do not make the child and if they did not make the child they can not determine the colour!

Neither is the Creator bound to follow the colour or colours of the first creation, He can choose any colour he deems fit!

Thus, Psalms 139:16 says
"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."

As all your members were fashioned by Him and without recourse to your parents, it is not surprising that colour is not dependent on your parents either!

What you should know is that the Creator does as He Wills, Whenever He Wills or May even Will Not to Do Altogether!
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 5:55pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
You know what, Jesus Christ said those who truly Love Him(His Truth included) are those who accept and obey His commandments. Saying you love Him means nothing of you don't trust and obey Him. undecided

This is what Jesus Christ says of self-defense and fighting back. Those who disobey, sin against God.

That's all

You will have to look for the scripture where it says anyone defending himself don't love Jesus Christ as well.


I have been looking for this and I almost skip it.....

If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile, go with him two

What do soldiers do in most countries they dwell or resides?

Should you go for self defense as your answer, what will you do in this case as it applies to Jesus words in bold up there?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:57pm On May 02
subcbouy:
4. If Nehemiah wasn't a follower of Jesus Christ why did you read Bible then? It shows that you really need Bible knowledge to understand that everything in the Bible is written for our correction, rebuking, encouragement and reproofing in righteousness.

3. You need to know the context of argument here. Defending yourself from being attacked by robber is different from defending yourself from an arrest. The former is permitted by law to defend yourself, and the latter becomes unlawful to defend yourself from arrest, in the case of Jesus Christ you mentioned earlier.

2. No, It isn't only making reference to the commandment alone. when you lack knowledge of anything physically, mentally and spiritually you will definitely suffer for it. It is of this that you are advised to seek knowledge.

1. Go read the book of Nehemiah and the story of Jesus christ you quoted, make difference between individual plotting to attack you and authority coming to arrest you.
Again..
1. God calls you to the obedience of His Law. Jesus Christ is God's Law to you. I didn't quote the story of Jesus Christ but instead told you what God's law to you is as far as dealing with your "enemies" is concerned. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Jesus Christ is the agreement between God and individual man where the Kingdom of God is cconcerned.His teachings, the Truth of God, contain the commandments of God to you. It is up to you to rise above your self, just as He also commands, to trust in and obey Him. undecided

2. Nehemiah was a man under the Old Covenant Law of God whereas you are called as a person under the New Covenant Law that is Jesus Christ. You are called to obedience of God's New Covenant Law and this Covenant commands that you not defend yourself or fight back when robbers attack you. This covenant commands that you love your enemies and pray for them instead of attacking them in anyway or form.

3. You have to decide whether the Covenant that is Jesus Christ is good enough for you to follow. There is no alternative for you since this is the only gentile friendly option that God made with the world - Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 6:00pm On May 02
achorladey:

You will have to look for the scripture where it says anyone defending himself don't love Jesus Christ as well.
I have been looking for this, oh how did I skip it.....
If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile, go with him two
What do soldiers do in most countries they dwell or resides?
I don't have to look for any such scripture. undecided

If you don't want to believe what Jesus Christ tells you there in Matthew 5, then you simply don't. undecided

Not everyone who believes in Jesus Christ accepts and obeys His teachings. Jesus Christ spoke of this. undecided

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