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Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Nobody: 12:43pm On May 27, 2020 |
Amujale: Politicians are working round the clock on that Sir, they will vote in, vote out and delete whoever needs to be deleted for their plans to succeed. Meanwhile God's own duty is to ensure that there is PEACE in the midst of his own worshipers! 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Amujale(m): 12:51pm On May 27, 2020 |
Maximus69: How i wish that to be true, sadly it isnt. The colonialist arent only making use of these foreign extremist religions to brainwash innocent people, they also use education and these unfit for purpose political systems. These extremist religions are one of the colonial systems. The way forward is to dismantle all the colonial systems and rip up all their archaic and draconian agreements, then we can hope to make the rapid progress that we rightfully deserve. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Nobody: 1:36pm On May 27, 2020 |
Amujale: That's why i told you we need to calm down to see clearly where the problem is not just making rash decisions! That book (Bible) revealed many secrets behind these but since you've concluded it's not worth considering, i have zero my mind on whatever you say! So go and do the needful as you deemed necessary, i'm sure revolutionists will join hands with you. But let me tell you that heads will roll, blood will flow many will be rendered homeless, majority of those who began the struggle will not see it's end, and still the world powers will continue to rule you. For your information, that's what the Arab nations are trying to do but they can't come out openly, that's why they're hiding behind Islam (religion) to do their revolution thing. They had history of great ancestors but now the western culture has overthrown them so they're now trying to regain their former prestige, but it's too late now the world is in the hands of the Western powers they will crush you into pieces if you dare them. The only way out is if all your people turn to communism, all of you must earn equally no one should aspire to be a billionaire when some in your midst will be paupers, in this way the western world won't penetrate your midst. Apart from this, traitors will continue to rise amongst you to sabotage all your efforts, that's why most of the orientals are practicing communism! All these are secrets we've learnt from that book (Bible) so i just keep laughing at you when you're agitating over the greatness of you dead ancestors, because now the power of money will never allow your people to stand as one, you will only end up killing your people day in day out like the Arabs are doing today! |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Amujale(m): 2:42pm On May 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: The bible is fake, false and counterintuitive. All the secrets in that book are evil and malicious. The best place for a book of that kind is inside the trashcan. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Amujale(m): 2:44pm On May 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: Christianity and Islam are the worst ideologies ever to set foot on African soil. Africans invents everything that is self fulfilling and worthy. Since you're a brainwashed agent of chaos i dont expect you to reason well. I wish that you will be reunited with your senses sooner than later. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Amujale(m): 2:50pm On May 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: You MUST be blind or perhaps you are pretending that you cannot read. What is the benefit of hard work and dedication? Amujale: Instead of following a false and malicious doctrine that was invented by the enemy, we MUST bin them and instead concentrate our focus on making our world a better place using our God given history. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Nobody: 3:51pm On May 28, 2020 |
Amujale: Continue working on what you know best Sir, time will tell! |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Kobojunkie: 4:07pm On May 28, 2020 |
TATIME:ROFLMAO! |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Finallydead: 1:37pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
Myer: Somehow this thread was derailed by untoward elements. What a waste of six good pages thnx to... Wonder if Acehart knew what he was inviting with Mmus6 and his seductive antichrist cult to something involving manifestations of the Spirit. Was really interested in knowing what hoopernikao was gonna do about angel tongues and Acts2. He eventually didn't touch both aspects. I come here to learn not just to teach and one way or another, I do. Would like to see how the scripture can overturn itself on angel tongues, hooper. Of course, Goshen360 will clearly see from Myer's reply how he's missed it and got himself in a difficult place when using his final method. Eventually, we could all just pray and ask the Spirit to guide us into all truth. He is our ultimate Truth. Spiritual realities are best experienced rather than just spoken. 3 Likes |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 2:18pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
Finallydead: All things work together for good to them that love God. It was derailed - very true; but my invitation to the cultist was more like the invitation of Satan to heaven’s conference with regards to Job’s life - I wanted the topic to be driven for weeks so that many can see their error through proper biblical exposition - it achieved its aim. But I have this mentality that when one wants to hide the truth, he shrouds it around multitude of words; so I restrained myself as it would have been reprehensible if I attacked those guilty of shrouding a preconceived idea regarding tongues in many words; I learned to also respect your views as well as theirs, thank you. I would like to know what view prevails with you presently. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Nobody: 3:00pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
CYM, please. Finallydead: |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by dannyyol2018: 3:12pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Sir, you should have taken your time to go through what the OP wrote before reacting emotionally. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by MuttleyLaff: 3:42pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
dannyyol2018:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] Are you for real. Smh You better start explaining yourself how you ever mean "you should have taken your time to go through what the OP wrote before reacting emotionally" |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by MuttleyLaff: 4:39pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
Finallydead what did you type that got your post thats hidden above?. You prolly got yourself banned as well 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 4:50pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I have been wondering too. 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 5:01pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
dannyyol2018: You may be referring to the wrong person. In my brief exposition on Isaiah 28:11, I tried to highlight the intention of Paul when he made reference to the verse in 1 Corinthians 14. The person you may be referring to (not MuttleyLaff) wanted us to translate it literally - this led to a lot of bickering regarding the use of the word “stammering” by the aggrieved one. He clearly showed us that the word meant “mockery” or “derogatory language”; but in a clandestine manner, he translated it to the word “gibberish” so that it can fit into his narrative. Then the next bickering concerned the meaning of the expression: “new tongues”; he insisted that “new” meant “newly created” as against the biblical meaning - novel; Muttleylaff and I tried to express this; but I guess you think he was emotional - this isn’t the case. Let’s know your thoughts regarding the OP. 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Finallydead: 4:01pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Bodydialect57:Seen 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Finallydead: 4:05pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Acehart:Well, that makes three of us, Lol. Prolly cos I quoted an old post here without modifying. Acehart: Brother, you know a point came in my life where I realised I can only really know the things of God by His Spirit and not my intelligence which falls far short. So I gave up on it and began to seek God with an open heart. And true to Himself, He was merciful to me and began to show me Himself. That's why I always recommend every believer does same as we all have the same Holy Spirit in us.(Jn14:26, 1Cor2:10-13) That way we would all be edified towards unity of faith and gradually less divided. My position remains what is consistent with my experience and Paul's exposition as in my first post. https://www.nairaland.com/5860057/should-speak-tongues-right/4#89700832 But I picked up a few things from our scriptural exchange too. Great thread before it was derailed. Well done and God bless. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 4:25pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Finallydead: The word new (kainos) is always used in the sense of "unprecedented" in Gk language. There are diverse species of angels and diverse angel tongues too. So, I believe when the Lord spoke of new tongues(Mk16:17), he wasn't referring to tongues of men but of angels because "new"(kainos) meant "never before existing" i.e. never before been in existence as huper pointed out. These? 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by MuttleyLaff: 4:30pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Finallydead: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: Fingers aren't equal in sizes and/or length, but when they come close together and touching each, they appear unified, equal and the same |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 5:10pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Finallydead: I didn’t stop studying after our discussion was marred by dubious men. I wanted to check if my write-up was consistent with the scriptures. Then I stretched my tentacles to chapter 15. Behold, I saw the word “Writings” appearing three times; Between the second Corinthians and second Timothy, it appeared ten times. “The scriptures“, the word used in many Bible versions is translated as “Holy writings”. “Writings” is the English translation for “Ketuvim” or “ Hagiographa“; while the Holy Writings is what is called Tanakh - The Five Books of Moses (Torah), Nevi'im ('Prophets') and Ketuvim ('Writings'). One book that is not fashioned after the traditional Writings and has been classified as an Apocrypha is The Testament of Job literature. One major deviation of this literature is the content on angelic tongues and angelic form of worship in Heaven. In this literature, Job bestows his physical assets to his sons and a supernatural gift for his daughters; three heavenly made sashes that when worn, cause his daughters to enter a different mental state where eternal ones replace the present realities. It also causes them to sing exalted hymns in the dialect of certain angels. Did the infatuation for Knowledge cause the Corinthian church to delve into this apocrypha and cause Paul to react? 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Finallydead: 5:36pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Acehart:Yep. The word "kainos" always referred to unprecedented. Let's leave out the diverse species of angels else we open another can of worms. But, yeah, the Lord meant unprecedented tongues. And there are tongues of men and also of angels. Acehart:The thing is it's too far out the limb to believe this has anything to do with the book of Job. And there's enough evidence in the text as to what Paul meant so no need to start looking for what's not lost. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 5:42pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Finallydead: Goshen360 still owes us a class. 2 Likes |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 5:52pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Finallydead: Not as you think. Let me just show a few verses from that Book. The charismatic sashes Chapter 48 1. Thus, when the one called Hermera arose, she wrapped around her own string just as her father said. 2 And she took on another heart—no longer minded toward (Pg. 866) earthly things— 3 but she spoke ecstatically in the angelic dialect, sending up a hymn to God in accord with the hymnic style of the angels. And as she spoke ecstatically, she allowed “The Spirit” to be inscribed on her garment. Chapter 49 1 Then Kasia bound hers on and had her heart changed so that she no longer regarded worldly things. 2 And her mouth took on the dialect of the archons and she praised God for the creation of the heights. 3 So, if anyone wishes to know “The Creation of the Heavens,” he will be able to find it in “The Hymns of Kasia.” Chapter 50 1 The the other one also, named Amaltheia’s Horn, bound on her cord. And her mouth spoke ecstatically in the dialect of those on high. 2 Since her heart also was changed, keeping aloof from worldly things. For she spoke in the dialect of the cherubim, glorifying the master of virtues by exhibiting their splendor. 3 And finally whoever wishes to grasp a trace of “The Paternal Splendor” will find it written down in the “Prayers of Amaltheia’s Horn.” The Book didn’t make it to the Christian canons: At the end of the 5th century, the Testament of Job was relegated to the apocrypha. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Goshen360(m): 6:06pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Acehart: I know my brother but my times are tight considering work, rest before another work and family etc but I sure will do something soon....all of these so called "tongues of angels" etc will be dealt with also. In all, with an open mind and a re visit of the doctrine of tongues, I'm now fully convinced and can teach that there's not one single person from Christ to the Apostles that spoke in "unintelligible" language or tongues in the scriptures like we see in Pentecostal churches today so where does our Pentecostal people got this from? I believe it's from the same verse that had held me down too in the wrong doctrine for years, 1 cor. 14v2 but once that is understood with open mind, the rest of every 1 cor 14 is also understood. Even if we say this Pentecostal "unintelligible" tongue is correct based on their understanding, Paul still said, KEEP QUIET IN THE CHURCH WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE INTERPRETER OR WHEN U CAN'T INTERPRET YOURSELF, rather speak or pray to God in private BUT same Pentecostal ignore that verse and still be speaking "unintelligible" language without interpretation. Doesn't that sound confusing to they themselves? Lastly, I asked myself, where do we in the Pentecostal church today got this intelligible language from if not one single Apostle ever spoke it? But before I come to do my class, a simple question to the pro - unintelligible tongue crew, can they give us just one example where any Apostle spoke in this unintelligible tongue in scripture such as we have in Pentecostal churches today? 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Finallydead: 6:07pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Hmmmh... |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Finallydead: 6:14pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Goshen360:Lol. Myer's quote would have helped you see that your stance was impossible. It appears your challenge is that unintelligible tongues to you is the jargons you hear in many churches today. I am totally against that. You put yourself in a position of either this or that with 1Cor14, but my stance is it's neither. The only unintelligible tongues I speak of are tongues of angels as in 1Cor 13:1 not gibberish , jargons and senseless mantras and if you go through all my posts here with that at the back of your mind, you'd see I've done justice to every scriptural query. |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by MuttleyLaff: 6:20pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Finallydead:[img]https://s7/images/2340148986_5c4fb68096.jpg[/img] |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Goshen360(m): 6:30pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Finallydead: Brother, this tongues of Angels was never spoken by any man. Paul, who was caught up in the third heaven could make reference to that by his experience in 2 Cor.12v4. He himself can not express those words as he said. So 1 cor 13v1 is hyperbolic saying, Even if, he could speak those languages of 2 cor.12v4, but still doesn't have love, he's nothing. Meaning, that languages he heard but cannot be expressed in words was needed there but love is needed here. And btw, what's the usefulness of that so called tongues of angels if not needed here? Are you talking to Angels or to men here? Are you praying to Angels or to God? These are most questions I always ask myself and allow scriptures to answer me through the Spirit. We have to be open minded to re examine our doctrine and there's therefore no shame in it if we're wrong all the way. Be open minded and re examine this doctrine and believe sir. Lastly, if unintelligible tongues is not what we hear in Pentecostal churches today which I used to participate too, please you tell us what unintelligible tongues are because to the best of my knowledge that's what Pentecostals called speaking in tongues not the well understood and intelligible languages that was spoken in Acts 2. 1 Like |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by MuttleyLaff: 6:35pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Acehart: Finallydead: A colorized and altered Testament of Job sample in Greek Minuscule https://charlesasullivan.com/14354/the-testament-of-job-and-angelic-tongues/ One word about "kainos," is: innovate(d) or innovation (i.e. "neos" on steroids, unprecedented) |
Re: I Should Speak In Tongues, Right? by Acehart: 6:48pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: You could add https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelic_tongues to Sullivan’s link. |
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