The events documented in the Bible are for a purpose to guide our faith. The fact that it's commemoration is not sanctioned by the Bible does not mean I as a Christian, cannot decide to commemorate it if it means something particular to my life and relationship with God.

Jesus Christ went to the wilderness to fast for a reason. Muhammed did same too for a reason and both centered on strengthening their relationship with God (Allah).

Agboriotejoye:


Again I need to correct some basic errors in your postulates. While it is true that it is the experience of Abraham with the ram that is celebrated as Sallah. There is nowhere in the Bible that it is commemorated. Rather, the Bible calls it a symbolism of the redemptive work of Christ in replacing the sinner on the altar as a burnt offering. Therefore the experience offer different symbolism to CHristians and Muslims.

The forty days fasting of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Ramadan. They are totally different in history and philosophy pls.

And who is Allah? Allah = Arabic word for God

RTSC:

They do it in honour of Allah.

That is the problem.

Despite the seemingly difference in the understanding of the scriptures by both religion, the vile against Islam is just too much compared to that against the News (if any at all) that's the point here. The main point we should all be concerned with is the preaching that we all return to God someday. However you chose to believe the word and be ready to meet your creator is left to you but don't vilify another religion over the other. I'm Christian BTW.

Agboriotejoye:


You still do not get it do you?
You said it yourself that islam bears so much similarities with the Old Testament religion and you're right. Paul told the Galatians that if the Old testament religion could save then there will be no need for Christ to come. It was because the ceremonies of the Old religion could not save the soul that demanded the entrance of Christ to the scene.

Till today, Jews see Christians as apostates and same with islam. Or have you not been asked by a Muslim how God could have a son? Who was is wife? Are you implying that God had sex? Nothing like salvation. It's your supplications and good works that will be minused from your sins to determine if you make hell or heaven. etc etc

I hope you can see this fundamental differences now.

bigtt76:
Despite the seemingly difference in the understanding of the scriptures by both religion, the vile against Islam is just too much compared to that against the News (if any at all) that's the point here. The main point we should all be concerned with is the preaching that we all return to God someday. However you chose to believe the word and be ready to meet your creator is left to you but don't vilify another religion over the other. I'm Christian BTW.

You don't seem to get my logic. I'm not vilifying any religion. I'm pointing out to you the incongruence you seek to overlook. If you're looking to harmonise both religions, it's an exercise in futility. The aim is understanding the differences and respecting them.

I don't agree that Islam is the most vilified religion though. Christianity definitely is. Go check out how the atheists attack Christianity. Same with even Muslims and other religions including some Christians. Christianity is soft spot for them all

bigtt76:
The events documented in the Bible are for a purpose to guide our faith. The fact that it's commemoration is not sanctioned by the Bible does not mean I as a Christian, cannot decide to commemorate it if it means something particular to my life and relationship with God.

Jesus Christ went to the wilderness to fast for a reason. Muhammed did same too for a reason and both centered on strengthening their relationship with God (Allah).

You don't understand yet. The Abraham and Isaac story was a precursor to the story of Christ's redemptive works. It's just like the Passover. While we celebrate the communion as directed by Christ in place of Passover nowadays, there's no denying the fact that it's root is from the Passover. But the Passover is still being celebrated by the Jews till this day cause it has meaning to them. While the Passover is symbolic to the communion, it holds no deeper meaning when compared to the communion in Christianity.

Jesus went to fast in the wilderness in preparation for his ministry. He did it once in His lifetime. Muhammad fasted every month if Ramadan because of his belief in the specialty of the month in getting answers to prayers.
Again it's symbolism versus significance. Jesus's fasting is symbolic of the essence of preparation to His earthly ministry. It holds no significance to being a Christian rite like say resurrection. Ramadan month is significant to Muhammad on the other hand for answered prayers.

Agboriotejoye:

Well... That man's posting is evolve or self-destruct. It's to wait and see which will occur.
Let's assume without conceding that Christianity lost the battle against NWO/civilisation. How exactly does Islam intend to conquer in that regard? London for example now has a Muslim mayor yet gay rights are fully entrenched under his nose. Shall we say Islam has also failed or the man is a failed Muslim. Can he pass a fatwa against homosexuality? It's obvious that to be able to keep Islam in its purest form especially in the West, it's not going to be an intellectual or philosophical war. What's the big plan Islam has to conquer NWO? Even in Saudis and some other middle East countries, moderations such as women driving, singing, watching sports and working are beginning to be embraced. Let's see how you think this will benefit the "pure" Islam in the long run. Don't forget, evolve or self-destruct.

I'm not talking about reading and accepting proofs that Allah exists. Atheists will tell you those are illogical tissue of lies. Are they assured of their safety in Islam if they were to say such?

Saudi Arabia has their reason for banning women from driving until recently and I don't think there was anytime they condemned women driving elsewhere. The issues of driving, sports music etc are left for the society to regulate as deemed fit.
Islam must resist being a dump for all kinds of ideologies in the name of civilization, but like Christianity that eventually lost the struggle to civilization, it is only time that can tell.

As Muslims gradually hold political positions in Europe especially, at a point they will begin to push for Islamic values, which is already happening in many European countries, they have started recognizing Islamic values and this will continue.
We believe it's time, but it will eventually happen.

Atheists have no place in islam, cos they are the foundation of most evil we see in Europe and around the world. It is the denial of the existence of God that makes man thinks he can do anything and won't be accountable at a point.
Atheists and Islam cannot be together, simple.

Christianity also rejected them initially, somehow lost to them later.

eagleonearth:
evil religion. See the way you quickly came to comment and nobody held you to ransom to confess that Jesus is the only Son of God, before commenting but if it were to be your thread you hold non Muslims to ransom. Nonsense religion

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Saudi Arabia has their reason for banning women from driving until recently and I don't think there was anytime they condemned women driving elsewhere. The issues of driving, sports music etc are left for the society to regulate as deemed fit.
Islam must resist being a dump for all kinds of ideologies in the name of civilization, but like Christianity that eventually lost the struggle to civilization, it is only time that can tell.

As Muslims gradually hold political positions in Europe especially, at a point they will begin to push for Islamic values, which is already happening in many European countries, they have started recognizing Islamic values and this will continue.
We believe it's time, but it will eventually happen.

Atheists have no place in islam, cos they are the foundation of most evil we see in Europe and around the world. It is the denial of the existence of God that makes man thinks he can do anything and won't be accountable at a point.
Atheists and Islam cannot be together, simple.

Christianity also rejected them initially, somehow lost to them later.

I hope you're aware that London whose mayor is a Muslim like a pointed out earlier has the most pro-LGBTQ+ laws. What has khan done to imbibe Islamic values in contemporary London life? He's at home with gay laws. That's a pointer to what I'm talking about. You can give me examples where Islamic ideologies are being embraced in replacement of western/atheism values.

Saudi Arabia banned driving and sports cause they were taught to be male activities which no woman had no business doing in consonance with the tenets of Islam of a woman being under the authority of a man. Now, they've been unbanned in response to women and gender equality activists which are surely anti-Islam you'll agree. What I'm suggesting is there's nothing to show Islam is winning the war so far.

Atheists have no place in any religion. But they seem to have so much influence in the western society. In Islamic society, you do agree a fatwa for their beheading will be the solution. How exactly will that pan out in the western society which embraced and encourages them?

Righteousness89:
As far as I am Concerned Food is food!

As long as it is not Sacrificed to idol

As long as it does not Affect the Faith of those Around you

Lastly as long as your Conscience does not Judge you.

I keep mistaking you for an NL user, EVILFOREST
You both share the same style of commenting.

Agboriotejoye:
the

I hope you're aware that London whose mayor is a Muslim like a pointed out earlier has the most pro-LGBTQ+ laws. What has khan done to imbibe Islamic values in contemporary London life? He's at home with gay laws. That's a pointer to what I'm talking about. You can give me examples where Islamic ideologies are being embraced in replacement of western/atheism values.

Saudi Arabia banned driving and sports cause they were taught to be male activities which no woman had no business doing in consonance with the tenets of Islam of a woman being under the authority of a man. Now, they've been unbanned in response to women and gender equality activists which are surely anti-Islam you'll agree. What I'm suggesting is there's nothing to show Islam is winning the war so far.

Atheists have no place in any religion. But they seem to have so much influence in the western society. In Islamic society, you do agree a fatwa for their beheading will be the solution. How exactly will that pan out in the western society which embraced and encourages them?

I have answered your questions up there, you haven't raised new issues.
These are your thoughts, which you are entitled to.

For emphasis, Islam will only tolerate atheists while they consolidate on their spread in Europe. The moment Europe is safely Islamised, atheism will be history.

Islam will never as far as I understand, compromise with atheists, never.

My brother, Islam is already penetrating Europe and America. It is a matter of time before the sound of Allahu Akbar will cover the skies of Europe. Islam will end all the present ungodliness Christianity chartered with which eventually consumed it.
It's a tall order but Islam will achieve it. Time is the only remaining factor.

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I know that rule more than you. I simply stated the obvious

hope4nigeria:
by not replying you in a stupid way you sound.

. TELL Me, whats stupid about the way I replied u? Or are simply high on something?

Chochovini:
. IMAGINE unbelivers calling real Believers unbelievers. Interesting.
The World itself is indeed mad.

Kindly define what you mean by believer then will would know who is on the right path

miftaudeen:


Kindly define what you mean by believer then will would know who is on the right path

. SIMPLE. A BELIEVER Is anyone who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is the SON of God, and accept Him as his or her PERSONAL Lord and Saviour. And that he died on the cross for his or her sake and that after 3days, God raised Him from death.

miftaudeen:


Kindly define what you mean by believer then will would know who is on the right path

. SIMPLE. A BELIEVER Is anyone who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is the SON of God, and accept Him as his or her PERSONAL Lord and Saviour. And that he died on the cross for his or her sake and that after 3days, God raised Him from death. IN OTHER WORDS, A born-again child of God.

Chochovini:
. SIMPLE. A BELIEVER Is anyone who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is the SON of God, and accept Him as his or her PERSONAL Lord and Saviour. And that he died on the cross for his or her sake and that after 3days, God raised Him from death. IN OTHER WORDS, A born-again child of God.

This is not a believer, rather a believer is the one who believes in one God and submit himself to HIS will.

miftaudeen:


This is not a believer, rather a believer is the one who believes in one God and submit himself to HIS will.

. WHICH God are talking about? The Christian God or the muslim god? And what is the will of the God U taling about?

Chochovini:
. TELL Me, whats stupid about the way I replied u? Or are simply high on something?

you are right.

The unfortunate thing for you Christians is, you claim to celebrate Easter, Christmas and so on but they are never found in the teachings of Jesus. Why then do you complain about Muslim not eating from your Christmas meal? Is it not one of your top pastors that told the whole world that Christmas is idolatrous?
I thank God for being a Muslim. There's injunction for every single thing we celebrate or do. Ileya is based on the story of Abraham sacrifing a ram in place of his son. It's in your bible also but your hypocrisy will make you twist it and call our celebration bad names.
God Has commanded us to do it .
The nation of Islam are the last nation but will be the first in the hereafter.

The ideology of Christians is misguidians
Jesus didn't call himself son of God nor God.
If you say Jesus is son of God that mean God impregnated Marry or Marry is the wife of God.
This is a false ideology of Paul that is to say Jesus didn't know anything about calling him son of God or God.

A true believer will believes that God is one he sent all His prophets to their nation, communities, family and to a particular person.

The purpose while He sent them was to preach the oneness of God and worship Him alone starting from prophet Noah to the last messenger including Jesus Christ, they were sent by God.

The common message among them was "Believe in one God and worship Him alone"

Prophet Noah called to oneness of God, Abraham did the same, Mohammad did the same and Jesus Christ also did the same.

So you have to believe in oneness of God, believes in His attributes and His names.

Jesus was never a son of God because he had his own mother and you people claimed Joseph as his biological father how can he be son of God again.

Think about this, digest it, am not here for argument this matter is simple not logic.

Chochovini:
. WHICH God are talking about? The Christian God or the muslim god? And what is the will of the God U taling about?

Your creator and my creator, He created the Heaven, Earth, Angels , Jesus, Muhammad, Trees, Water, He is the that created everything without any partner or supporter.

The Will of God being our creator, he provides for us, protects us and we have no choice than to submit ourselves to Him that is His 'Will'

miftaudeen:


Your creator and my creator, He created the Heaven, Earth, Angels , Jesus, Muhammad, Trees, Water, He is the that created everything without any partner or supporter.

The Will of God being our creator, he provides for us, protects us and we have no choice than to submit ourselves to Him that is His 'Will'

. OK, U Are talking about the Christian God. So what are His Wills that we must do to qualify us as a Believer?

Chochovini:
. OK, U Are talking about the Christian God. So what are His Wills that we must do to qualify us as a Believer?

Christian God??
Christian God is Jesus now as you claimed but am talking about God who created Jesus.

We Muslims called Him Allah

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When it comes to the truth they post this

miftaudeen:


Christian God??
Christian God is Jesus now as you claimed but am talking about God who created Jesus.

We Muslims called Him Allah

. POINT OF Correction, I did not say Jesus Christ is God. He is the Lord and Saviour of the World.

Again what We Christian called God is far different from what u muslims called allah.
The God of the Christians is He who created the Heaven and the Earth and everything in them for short.
The Will of our God is to OBEY Him, keep all His commandments, believe on His Son Jesus Christ and accept Him as your personal Lord and Saviour. Then live a holy life. Its called:- Being BORN AGAIN.
When all these are in place, thats when U can become a BELIEVER.

But the muslim god is the moon-god that has its symbol caged in kaaba in mecca. His will:- kill all non-muslim if possible in jihad war. Fight and kill in the name of allah anyone who does not practice islam or speak evil of the religion. And many other things too numerous I needn‘t go into details here. Sickning.

Mind you, No intended shade-throwing, No offence either. Its the bitter Truth.

Agboriotejoye:

You truly believe a day will come when islam will not demand that a woman wears hijab? Or that polygamy is not allowed? Or that child marriage is not allowed? Hope you know these things are clearly written in their scriptures.
It is one thing to be misguided and another thing to modify the tenets of a religion in the name of liberalism. Hope you realize the above tenets are tenets of the religion not some misguided ideas.

I believe all of these that you have written.... But I also know that female circumcision used to be a tenet of most Nigerian tribes too.

Nigeria used to have tribes where they considered a Foreigner's meat as a delicacy. But youths from such places are ashamed to admit to that heritage nowadays.

There was a time christian churches used to proscribe interdenominational marriages... But in the light of new realities...such doctrines don't stand a chance anymore.

The reason southwestern Muslims are somewhat tamed concerning it is because they have lived amongst better thinking people...long enough to see the folly in those parts of their culture/ traditions that are nothing else but pure wickedness.

Give it some time.... I'm sure some core parts of the religion...tenets or not will get tempered...it's the normal order of things... You can only hold things together with violence for so long.

We used to exchange greetings and food at celebrations with my neighbors. However, last year, one of the wives told us their Imam told them our food was haram and that after then, whenever we gave food to them at celebrations, they would just collect and throw away. Since then, all those special greetings and exchange stopped. I no get food to waste. We are still relating ooooo.

mhmsadyq:


I have answered your questions up there, you haven't raised new issues.
These are your thoughts, which you are entitled to.

For emphasis, Islam will only tolerate atheists while they consolidate on their spread in Europe. The moment Europe is safely Islamised, atheism will be history.

Islam will never as far as I understand, compromise with atheists, never.

My brother, Islam is already penetrating Europe and America. It is a matter of time before the sound of Allahu Akbar will cover the skies of Europe. Islam will end all the present ungodliness Christianity chartered with which eventually consumed it.
It's a tall order but Islam will achieve it. Time is the only remaining factor.

Sorry sir.

You did not. What you did is an expression of faith which is what led Christianity to the cocoon it presently finds itself. Even the Bible says faith without works is dead!! Very dead!!

You have not explained how Islam hopes to silence the atheists. Is it by beheading them? Do you really think a day will come in the West when beheading for apostasy will once again become the order of the day? Is that not part of the dark past of Christianity you pointed at? Or you mean it's dark when it's done by Christianity but acceptable when done by Islam. How exactly will Islam be able to convince the West to do away with atheists and scientologists? You think a jihad will do? Where missionaries have failed you think your sheikhs stand a chance?

I gave you an example of how Saudi Arabia is beginning to embrace liberalism. You don't think that's a threat to pure Islam. I'm sure you're smart enough to see how it's going the same route Christianity went. They're allowing Islam to Europe on their own terms. Soon, they'll begin to export their own brand of Islam.

Islam has never had a philosophical or propaganda angle. It's always been my way or Hades. I will really be interested to tell me how Islam intends to penetrate the West stealthily. Hope you know we now have gay Muslims, transgenders etc. They enter and pray in mosques over there without any hindrance. Heck. Bobrisky in Nigeria is of Muslim background. Same with the first openly gay Nigerian man. I tell you. You have not told me how pure Islam intends to fight these demons off!!

kafeii123:


I believe all of these that you have written.... But I also know that female circumcision used to be a tenet of most Nigerian tribes too.

Nigeria used to have tribes where they considered a Foreigner's meat as a delicacy. But youths from such places are ashamed to admit to that heritage nowadays.

There was a time christian churches used to proscribe interdenominational marriages... But in the light of new realities...such doctrines don't stand a chance anymore.

The reason southwestern Muslims are somewhat tamed concerning it is because they have lived amongst better thinking people...long enough to see the folly in those parts of their culture/ traditions that are nothing else but pure wickedness.

Give it some time.... I'm sure some core parts of the religion...tenets or not will get tempered...it's the normal order of things... You can only hold things together with violence for so long.

Evolve it is then!!
mhmsadyq will not like this idea.

is just a pity that we found ourselves in these kinds of situation,we so much allowed religious to ditermined,who is our friend,who eat with us,who we help but my brother's and sisters religious leads us no where but humanity and love is what we needs