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Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 12:01pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
macof: Firstly, im not talking about Egypt per se, but Ancient Egypt. Secondly, what disqualifies ones research is 'motive'. Explain to us the logic in sourcing from the narrative of either the Arabian fundamentalist or Eurocentric warmongers. Furthermore, our own historians have proven to us that their narratives are wrong. |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 12:04pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
macof: No they are not. Berber languages are related to some of the first invaders of North Africa from Europe and the Medeterranian. One could easily assert that the Berber language is Afro-asiatic due to the vast amount of years spent on the continent; thousands of years to be precise. The term 'Berber' simply means those in Europe and West Asia that didnt speak Greek. It was the Greeks that coined that term. Amujale: You wont find a Berber language related term in Ancient Egypt. Furthermore, there was no such thing as a 'Berber' during the period of Ancient Egypt. The foreigners in the times of Kemit was the, 'Sea people', Hyskos and than later the Assyrians. The Assyrians became more prominant in Olden days Egypt and not Ancient Egypt. |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 12:21pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Amujale: macof: You overlooked the point made in my previous response. Moving on, Egypt is an African country. Yes its currently occupied by olden days foreign invaders, but it remains an African country similar to all the other North African ones. Given the above facts, who has the God given right to discuss about Ancient Egypt, Africans, Asians or Europeans? |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by macof(m): 12:45pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Amujale: There's nothing like God given right in Humanities. You study and discuss what interests you and make the necessary research 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 12:54pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
macof: Yes there is a right in Humanities. The right to know ones own history for instance; that is a God given right. Nevermind the semantics, given that Egypt is in Africa, who has the right to discuss Ancient Egypt, Africans, Asians or Europeans? Let me cite another example, who has the right to study German history, Europeans, Africans or Asians. Another example? Who has the right to study Persian history, Asians, Africans or Europeans? |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by macof(m): 1:18pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Amujale: There are still so many things you misunderstand and mix together in regard to language classification We might have to take it, one step at a time But know this Similarities between Berber languages and Ancient Egyptian exist such as: VSO sentence order, two-gender system in the singular with adding ‘t’ to the feminine" |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 1:57pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
macof: Berber are a mixture of European and West Asian, these are what history affirms. As stated earlier, the term 'Berber' transpires from olden day Greek. These are the people that occupied the area of the continent that they called the 'Maghrib'. Has nothing to does with Ancient Egypt. They invaded the area, not they they originated from there, they originate from Europe and West Asia, even the language they speak can attest to this. The similiarities you point out is perhaps the language systems of those days that they must've adopted from the region. These are periods in history that predates the battle of 'Ain Ja lut', pre-Islamic era. |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by macof(m): 2:40pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Amujale: I can't disagree or agree to this. But this really isn't the point of language classification. The origin of a language can be different from the origin of the speakers of said language. People adopt languages you know. @bold : you can say that I guess |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 5:02pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
macof: I agree. |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 3:35am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Amujale:Accurate! 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 3:54am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Amujale:Yoruba are of Assyrian ; Chaldean origin. Bakhou is the name of man known as Joseph in some quarter , who is Assyrian by origin that lived in Egypt during one of the Nubia Pharaohs as prime minister( a lower king). Read written books by Caleb Adebayo Folorunso. Barkhou is what is contracted to Aku ! So, do more research on it to seek what you desire to get. Do also more research on what language is Aramaic that was accepted as Franca Lingua in Egypt by 409 BC ,which is known as Coptic Egyptian language. Furthermore, solve the research work,by finding out who brought the Aramaic the language to Egypt? Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 3:54am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Amujale:Yoruba are of Assyrian ; Chaldean origin. Bakhou is the name of man known as Joseph in some quarter , who is Assyrian by origin that lived in Egypt during one of the Nubia Pharaohs as prime minister( a lower king). Read written books by Caleb Adebayo Folorunso. Barkhou is what is contracted to Aku ! So, do more research on it to seek what you desire to get. Do also more research on what language is Aramaic that was accepted as Franca Lingua in Egypt by 409 BC ,which is known as Coptic Egyptian language. Furthermore, solve the research work,by finding out who brought the Aramaic the language to Egypt ? Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by geosegun(m): 3:44pm On Aug 10, 2020 |
This is quite interesting and things are becoming clearer now, especially....considering the basement-deltaic locations of both Egypt (lower and upper Egypt) and Southwestern-Southern Nigeria. I know our ancestors do use the Oracle to locate favorable place of abode in ancient past. Similarities in language and customs and traditions may not be a big-surprise here... Such a nice read so far ... 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by BabaRamota1980: 4:34pm On Aug 10, 2020 |
Amujale: Babaloke will bless you. This is fact. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 7:42am On Aug 11, 2020 |
Amujale:It is good to see that you're in support of what Olumide Lucas claimed, even i some of his vew are inaccurate based on religion. 2. You have shown too that the claim of Yoruba ancestors oral account as being among the city builder were high in that era due to their contribution to world development . 3. The same transliteration and translation of true cognates are found on the basis of regular sound correspondence with, Ethiopic, Persians, Classic Hebrews and Arabic. So, Coptic Egyptians were only beneficiaries to Yorubas industrialisation in Egypt. 4. The biblical information that the world spoke same language is the direction you have just pursued. 5. The Yoruba only lived in Egypt due to commerce and helped developed the city 6. The language written by authors as Coptic language came to be in later era in Egypt. 7. All renowned ethnic groups lived in Egypt due to abidance of wealth before pursuance of self religious glory by these other groups, in which Yoruba group was in it because, the Kemt didn't use Ram as sacrifice due to belief that Ra is ‘God' and he is a ramhead man. Unlike Yorubas that such is a sacrificial animal. 8. Other difference is that Yoruba form of writing were heavily embedded in pictograms, ideograms or obelisks, which is silent in Africa because, Hieroglyphs , pictogram are foind to be Egyptians form of conveying information. 9. Ora exist also in Yoruba's Oru's account as found in Egypt's acount as ramhead and in Ur/Or in Mesopatamia but not a ram head man. Lastly, until you begin to reconstruct the world history from a wider perspective, then yoi will realise that there is more to Yoruba people and history than meet the eyes. Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 12:53pm On Aug 12, 2020 |
BabaRamota1980: Ase o. May Babaloke bless you as well. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 1:00pm On Aug 12, 2020 |
Olu317: Yoruba are indigenous to Nigeria, it’s from here that they helped found Kemit. I hope we are in the same wavelength. |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by lawani: 1:08pm On Aug 12, 2020 |
Amujale:i believe the Yoruba were speaking akokoid languages before a large number of kemitic Egyptians came to join them a few thousand years ago. |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by BabaRamota1980: 3:02pm On Aug 12, 2020 |
Amujale:Ase Edumare! 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 6:47pm On Aug 12, 2020 |
Olu317: All the major African civilisations had their own writing systems. These are the reasons we state without a shadow of doubt that Africans invented the concept of literacy. Such was well established and proven at the 1974 UNESCO conference held in Cairo. The team of African scholars completely wiped the floor of the representatives of the Mzungu delegates. |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 7:32pm On Aug 12, 2020 |
Olu317: Yoruba aren’t from Assyria or any place outside of West Africa. Civilisation moved down the Nile. This thread is pertaining to genuine history backed up with verifiable sources. Yoruba are from Yorubaland, Nigeria. 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Amujale(m): 7:48pm On Aug 12, 2020 |
Why can’t most of us get it? Africans was on planet Earth first. Just because we might have a presence outside of Africa doesn’t amount to us originating from such a place. Africans are the first people in human history to circumnavigate the seven seas. For instance Italians don’t come from Spain. British people don’t originate from The United States of America. Can you see my point better now? In both instances, it’s the other way around. Always bear in mind that wherever, whenever one may find a connection anywhere outside the continent of Africa, the people of Nigeria predate whoever that may be. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by TAO11(f): 12:03am On Aug 13, 2020 |
Amujale:Thank you for stating these very important points in a very clear and succinct manner. May you never get lost, feel inferior, or become fake. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 9:51am On Aug 13, 2020 |
Amujale: 1.Show Chronological evidence from scholars, be it of Africa or European descent 2. Show fossil human evidence to back up your evidence from renowned scholars ,be it Africa descent or European's 3. Show linguistic evidence with such notion , be it Africa descent or European descent. In abscent of information to suport your view, as opined that Yoruba aren't from Mesopotamia, then restrain your opinion to a theory without validation! |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 10:14am On Aug 13, 2020 |
TAO11:Lol . Show evidence and stop self deceit on origin of Yoruba without trace in West Africa. Niger confluence indeed,when Semitic; Arabic root words are found virtually jn all Yoruba language( Pofessor Isaac Adejoju Ogunbiyi) and not historians, whose view followed the opinion of Samuel Johnson! How can one feel inferior when your ancestors were the ones that brought knowledge of one supreme God without three head or horn head man? How can I feel inferior when Yoruba ancestors says in their account that, their ancestors were the ancestors of mankind ? How can we feel inferior when Yoruba ancestors brought unique modelled inscription code(writing) into the world ? Honestly,it is highly disappointing that both of you didnt see how you goofed without Chronological period of Yoruba existence. Fossil human in West Africa is not at per with China's fossil, not even compare with others in Africa. In fact, Israel's fossil human is ranked as the third oldest in the world,which show it had been inhabited before your so called West Africa; oldest fossil human outside Morocco and Ethiopia. . Kindly don't mention that, heat affected fossil human in West Africa because Near East, of Yoruba origin is hotter. Without fear or doubt or favour, that fact is not accepted or true until evidence beyond doubt surface to affirm to what you stand before the world. Prayers will not work in this ooone ooo, if it is meant to spite me, because the information I posit is is accurately true. Bomb: I have written ideogram for crown in Hebrew which is same as with Yoruba's Both of you should counter me,with such word among any ethnic group in Africa with such word! Lastly, I am a proud Yoruba man |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 10:53am On Aug 13, 2020 |
Amujale:Show evidence |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by TAO11(f): 1:11pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
Olu317:You actually have no single clue about what you’re saying here. No where does the Professor you mentioned make any statement saying Yorubas are from outside Africa. Also, no where does S. Johnson say Yorubas are from W.Africa. These are just few of the stuffs you’ve gotten all muddled up here. If you really care to see any such evidence you’re asking me for, then refer to my comments on the same topic on the other thread, or pick up a real history book/peer-reviewed journal article written by historians and linguists. But please stop asking me to provide you with the very thing (i.e. evidence) that you hate to see. I have found, over time, that you are very unteachable and egoistic. Academics and historians have considered evidence from archaeology, linguistic, and Yoruba oral accounts in order to establish this simple historical fact that the Yorubas are indigenous to the regions around their present homelands. And please note that I am not expecting to reply whatever incoherent junk you reply this with. Discussions with you have proven to be fruitless, and full of digressions. May God help you with your search for Yorubas in Hebrew land. Lol. Kudos to you on this, Amujale. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 7:40pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
TAO11:Just imaging how ignorant you remained perpetually on this information, that's priceless . Certainly, you supported the fact that Yoruba was spoken in Benin Court, Dahomey Kingdom and environment, Togo etc but refused to accept Near East origin of Yoruba ancestors, who married Nubians and others across the planet earth Interestingly,I have shown that Yoruba language was spoken in Egypt as Coptic language, Who are the linguists who posited that Yoruba language was founded in Niger Benue Confluence? Show us and let's see how tested they have been with such baseless view without genuine evidence which counter Professor Ogunbiyi researched work, that's in the world's shelves? Trust me, all of them will run in different directions. Lol, so there is no place the professor Ogubiyi mentioned that Yoruba language is derivative of Arabic root words ? Below screenshot posited his research work. So stop being ungrateful to others and I, who posited Near East foundational footprint of Yoruba ancestors because virtually all Yoruba root words are embedded in Semitic (Arabic). Lastly,stop bullying Oviedos if you have no evidence to showcase Yoruba's footprints in Egypt or Near East because written scholars works between Yorubas and Edos do contest the fact that Edo developed independently before, Oranmiyan. But Edo claims, Bini gave birth to Yorubas,through counter information. Do extra work to buttres your point to showcase Yoruba as owner of the language spoken in Nigeria as well as franca lingua amongst others . Lastly, I hope the statement of Professor Isaac Ogunbiyi solves this information in a little wsy because, don't care if you salute, Amujale or not. Funnily, I have shown little information that Yorubas ancestors were from Near East, through ideograms of ancient Hebrew origin and Arabic root words(Semitic), which is also Semitic. Cheers
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Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by TAO11(f): 7:54pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
Olu317:You appear to be the Yoruba version of gregboy. In other words, the very things which demolishes your point is what you always present as evidence. Ironic, isn’t it? Your screenshot here (from Isaac Adeniji Ogunbiyi) made it clear that the effort to link Yoruba words to Arabic is simply an attempt, and by doctrinaire Islam scholars. I strongly doubt that you have a clue on what the English word doctrinaire means? You obviously don’t, because if you do, you certainly wouldn’t be making a mess of yourself the way you’re doing now. Doctrinaire means: “seeking to impose a doctrine in all circumstances without regard to practical considerations.” In other words, according to the same professor whom you seek to misrepresent; the attempt to link Yoruba words to Arabic is pseudo-academic, it is done by religious dogmatist, and it is against reality. What else will refute you more than this same attachment you’ve put forward with your own hands?? Stop bothering me with your bullshit. I hope I am clear enough. Macof, please come and carry your illiterate and unteachable Hebrew/Arab wannabe. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 9:00pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
TAO11:Who is the illiterate if not unlettered you who chained Palace as King's house ? Show such as written by Professor Ogunbiyi where he mentioned such as Islamic ‘dogmatist ? I thought you are honest wth your view but it is obvious, you like twisting words to suit yourself . This view of yours is same as in the same Professor Biobaku who claimed possiible Near East origin of Yorubas in 1952 but rejected such in years due to lack of evidence. As simple as ABC,you're blind and can't see beyond your immediate horizon because everything is strange before you. Seriously , you need acquire more Semitic knowledge,which you claimed you have orientation on but seens not true because you see no connection with Yoruba's language with Semitic ideograms. Kindly know Yoruba aren't slave to Arabic's language or root words from time immemorial because the languages are linked historically tbrouygh chronological connection . Mocking at your ignorance. Even Metaphysical or Absolutesuccess who have Arabic knowledge know that Arabic is read from right hand to left. Note: Abeg.I stop responding to this false view of yours which is baseless with non relevant information scholarly in the world to show relevant view. Yet you claimed Yorubas have foundation in West Africa and Yoruba has a chronology that's less than 11,000 years, in West Africa, when the world's record is about 300± 000 years as relating to fossil human. Are you now fooling yourself ? |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by TAO11(f): 9:48pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
Olu317:(1) Listen up again, Olodo + Liar: Doctrinaire = Dogmatic. Learn English, and be at least smart enough to stop the irony of presenting the very things that refute you as your evidence. You are a renowned joke. (2) ”chained Palace as King’s house” ?? Where? How? What does this even mean? And why do you think lying this blatantly will help you in any way?? (3) Going forward, you really have to convince me that I have to exchange words with a deluded fellow like you. (4) But for now, you haven’t earned my time at all, given all the gibberish and outright lies you’ve heaped up above. (5) Have a good day Mr Hebrew/Arab. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Nile Valley Heritage. by Olu317(m): 11:01pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
TAO11:Like I had mentioned, you're the unsettled one because, your heart kept beating due to your ignorance. So I will stop because here because, there is no purpose engaging you any more or your superiors. So, suddenly, your poor English knowledge has made you not to be vast in ,Yoruba's information anymore, which us due to typography error ? Anyway , your ignorance is grandeur because you are not conversant with the truth. Although,I desire to see you propound your information on Yoruba people as West Africa |
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