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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 3:19pm On May 31, 2020
olamy7:
well,I think it's very clear that the differences came as a result of role. Father, son and Holy Ghost are roles played by the same God.

HedwigesMaduro:
They were playing roles? Let's see the gymnastics you'll use for this:
"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed". That's Daniel 7:13-14. Playing roles, right?
Yes, of course, playing roles.
Have you any problems with the vision ni?
Are you to tell God how or what method God chooses to do whatever God chooses to do ni?
Can you see God? Are you able to visualise God?
Have you seen my shadow, lmao?
You wouldnt be trying to put limitations on God, would you?. Or are you?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by HedwigesMaduro(m): 8:02pm On May 31, 2020
MuttleyLaff:


Yes, of course, playing roles.
Have you any problems with the vision ni?
Are you to tell God how or what method God chooses to do whatever God chooses to do ni?
Can you see God? Are you able to visualise God?
Have you seen my shadow, lmao?
You wouldnt be trying to put limitations on God, would you?. Or are you?

Your logic is like "with God all things are possible", therefore it is possible for God to lie or make mistakes. So because God cannot be limited, if anybody tells you tomorrow that God is also the devil you would believe, right?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Timalt: 8:25pm On May 31, 2020
PiccoloBrunelli:


Good afternoon Madam.

The Beroeans were a people who after being preached to by the Apostle Paul still made out time to research and prove to themselves that what they were told was the truth. God wants us to convince ourselves of the truth and not just follow our parents or pastors without fact checking.

That being said I will like to direct your attention to a publication by Jehovah's Witnesses dedicated to the Trinity Doctrine. I encourage you to read it along with your own Bible. Allow the facts to speak for themselves. Instead of being afraid of the Witnesses, be afraid of those who would not let you question what you've been taught since you were a child.

Here is the link to the publication:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/brochures-and-booklets/trinity-ti
Hello, dear friend, I would want you to apply the same thing you said to her to yourself. Since you advised her to behave like the Boreans, that is fine.

Now, do the same yourself.
On your doctrine of 1914,.i want you to read this too
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-7-times.php

Happy reading cheesy

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by RealEzee(m): 9:45pm On May 31, 2020
All I know Is that God the father and the son and the holy ghost are 3 distinct beings with one purpose like board of directors of a company, many areas of the Bible suggests this, the baptism of christ for example, christ many times saying he came to do the will of the father, he was going back to his God and our God, Stephen seeing God and christ on his right hand, etc

Christ talks about their oneness in purpose in his intercessory prayer and prays for his disciples to be one like the relationship he has with the Father.

He talks about the coming of the comforter when he leaves to his apostles and the role of the Holy Ghost tho.

All I see are 3 distinct beings here.

alot of thoughts originated in the early church about the Godhead which was settled by council by early Christian fathers in the universal church then, creeds such as the concept of the trinity originated from such councils as the previous view of the Godhead was discarded and enforced, interesting times then tho, really interesting times, alot of the variance in views of Christianity originated from there, like the compilation of the Bible and etc
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 11:20pm On May 31, 2020
HedwigesMaduro:
Your logic is like "with God all things are possible", therefore it is possible for God to lie or make mistakes.
"Is anything too difficult or too wonderful for the Lord?..."
- Genesis 18:14a

"Ah Lord God! Behold,
You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and by Your outstretched arm!
There is nothing too difficult or too wonderful for You
"
Jeremiah 32:17

" “Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh;
is there anything too difficult for Me?
"
- Jeremiah 32:27

" But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God."
- Luke 18:27

Are you kidding me?
Everything is possible for God, albeit possibility doesnt necessarily mean God will do whatever that possible thing is. Case in point, now this is hypothetically speaking and for the sake of this discussion, so not to be taken personal, just because I can murder HedwigesMaduro, or because I am capable of murdering HedwigesMaduro, it doesnt mean that based on that possibility, I'll murder HedwigesMaduro.

The point being made up there is that, possibility doesn't mean the course of action will be or is taken. God can lie, but will God lie? I'll leave you to answer that. Has God allowed lying? Has God ever allowed lying spirits?

HedwigesMaduro:
So because God cannot be limited, if anybody tells you tomorrow that God is also the devil you would believe, right?

What kind of line of reasoning is this?

Whats the purpose of being gifted with a processing brain? When anybody tells me, good evening, I always go to the window, pull the curtain aside to check to confirm that it really is evening and good too.

I don't believe in unreal sayings, especially not like that one, saying that God is also the devil. I am not wired up that way so believe something like that
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:32am On Jun 01, 2020
RealEzee:
All I know Is that God the father and the son and the holy ghost are 3 distinct beings with one purpose like board of directors of a company, many areas of the Bible suggests this, the baptism of christ for example, christ many times saying he came to do the will of the father, he was going back to his God and our God, Stephen seeing God and christ on his right hand, etc

Christ talks about their oneness in purpose in his intercessory prayer and prays for his disciples to be one like the relationship he has with the Father.

He talks about the coming of the comforter when he leaves to his apostles and the role of the Holy Ghost tho.

All I see are 3 distinct beings here.

alot of thoughts originated in the early church about the Godhead which was settled by council by early Christian fathers in the universal church then, creeds such as the concept of the trinity originated from such councils as the previous view of the Godhead was discarded and enforced, interesting times then tho, really interesting times, alot of the variance in views of Christianity originated from there, like the compilation of the Bible and etc

Bros is Jesus Christ God's Son in heaven or God in heaven? Choose one. grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:46am On Jun 01, 2020
Timalt:


So it is now a case of other churches do evil, so jehovah's witnesses can do evil too? . grin

Your organization is being slapped with Child Sexual Abuse cases left right center at different courts around the world. The number of pedophiles in your midst that has gone unreported to authority is nauseating.

It was because of Court policies that made your organization print a watchtower in 2019 dedicated to child sex abuse in your organization.

Your organization is just as Rotten and vile, even worse it doesn't report these crimes. You only handle it judicially. From the way you barked when I mentioned this, I would not be surprised that you are a pedophile grin cheesy

It is because of your pedophile cases that made you don't preach to children again without their parents permission as your organization used to do before.

grin


Timalt EMPTY NOISE RANTS..
.....
The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine.
Court cases wey JW appeared and won you done go blind, others were settled out of court.

May Jehovah forgive you for your subtle attempt to malign Janosky with your subtle defamatory statements.

Show everyone just one CSA case Timalt or his Church have reported to the Government and successfully prosecuted with conviction of the accused.

Until then, Timalt is a confirmed Hypocrite !
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Timalt: 7:04am On Jun 01, 2020
Janosky:



Timalt EMPTY NOISE RANTS..
.....
The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine.
Court cases wey JW appeared and won you done go blind, others were settled out of court.

May Jehovah forgive you for your subtle attempt to malign Janosky with your subtle defamatory statements.

Show everyone just one CSA case Timalt or his Church have reported to the Government and successfully prosecuted with conviction of the accused.

Until then, Timalt is a confirmed Hypocrite !

Thank you so much for the challenge.

He said "The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine."

@ Rozz

Please I want you to see that like I have said, all I have said are confirmed public information. This Jehovah witness guy said I should show one genuine proof. I will do more than that. I will provide 4 Proofs.

I have more cases. But for the sake of showing to all the world who the hypocrite and wolves in sheep clothing are, I will start with 4 cases.

From the cases I'll be posting, you will see a case where they settled the abused person outside court with money. And you will see one where they lost $28 Million dollars. Then you will see the commission in Australia where 1006 child sex abusers were confirmed to be in Jehovahs witnesses database as known child abusers and they kept quiet.

Here comes my proofs

1) https://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html
(they settled the victim out of court in this case)


2) https://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/
(the lost $28 million dollars in this case)


3) https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-releases/report-jehovahs-witness-organisations-released

4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q2ImaE_lg (after watching this particular video, try watching all the other videos of the proceedings that covers upto 8 days at the proceeding)


Janosky, now the world will see who the real HYPOCRITE is. grin

I have many more cases to bring up in case that is not sufficient.

By the way, you said the cases are all alleged, but your 2019 watchtower admits that there are Child Sex Abusers in your organization and that it is a big problem among you people. If you want me to quote your watchtower for you so that the world can see, I will do it.


Other churches especially pentecostal churches unlike the catholic and jehovah's witnesses report crimes to the authorities. But even the pope of the catholic church has openly apologized and they now report theirs to the authorities. Jehovah's witnesses on the other hand handle it among your ranks in your famed Judicial committees and after the proceedings of your kangaroo court judicial committee, you don't report it to the authorities. Infact it is because of the pressure and loss of court cases that has pressured your watchtower organization. For example a known child abuser among your ranks since 2018 will no longer receive any church office which you call privileges of service for a long time if ever.

Your evil policy called the "the two witness rule" is aiding child sex abusers to escape prosecution among your ranks. Your policy states that there must be two witnesses to the crime or confession from the accused before any church judicial committee can be set forth and even then, the church does not report it to the police or NAPTIP but they report it to your branch office.

Keep being bitter and spiteful while I publish more facts. Facts are not sentimental. They are simply facts. cheesy

Thank you.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:17pm On Jun 01, 2020
Timalt:


Thank you so much for the challenge.

He said "The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine."

@ Rozz

Please I want you to see that like I have said, all I have said are confirmed public information. This Jehovah witness guy said I should show one genuine proof. I will do more than that. I will provide 4 Proofs.

I have more cases. But for the sake of showing to all the world who the hypocrite and wolves in sheep clothing are, I will start with 4 cases.

From the cases I'll be posting, you will see a case where they settled the abused person outside court with money. And you will see one where they lost $28 Million dollars. Then you will see the commission in Australia where 1006 child sex abusers were confirmed to be in Jehovahs witnesses database as known child abusers and they kept quiet.

Here comes my proofs

1) https://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html
(they settled the victim out of court in this case)


2) https://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/
(the lost $28 million dollars in this case)


3) https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-releases/report-jehovahs-witness-organisations-released

4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q2ImaE_lg (after watching this particular video, try watching all the other videos of the proceedings that covers upto 8 days at the proceeding)


Janosky, now the world will see who the real HYPOCRITE is. grin

I have many more cases to bring up in case that is not sufficient.

By the way, you said the cases are all alleged, but your 2019 watchtower admits that there are Child Sex Abusers in your organization and that it is a big problem among you people. If you want me to quote your watchtower for you so that the world can see, I will do it.


[b]Other churches especially pentecostal churches unlike the catholic and jehovah's witnesses report crimes to the authorities. But even the pope of the catholic church has openly apologized and they now report theirs to the authorities. [/b]Jehovah's witnesses on the other hand handle it among your ranks in your famed Judicial committees and after the proceedings of your kangaroo court judicial committee, you don't report it to the authorities. Infact it is because of the pressure and loss of court cases that has pressured your watchtower organization. For example a known child abuser among your ranks since 2018 will no longer receive any church office which you call privileges of service for a long time if ever.

Your evil policy called the "the two witness rule" is aiding child sex abusers to escape prosecution among your ranks. Your policy states that there must be two witnesses to the crime or confession from the accused before any church judicial committee can be set forth and even then, the church does not report it to the police or NAPTIP but they report it to your branch office.

Keep being bitter and spiteful while I publish more facts. Facts are not sentimental. They are simply facts. cheesy

Thank you.



CONTI V. WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC. ET AL.
UNITED STATES
Title:
Conti v. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, Inc. et al

Court:
California Court of Appeal, First District, Division 3

Citation:
235 Cal.App.4th 1214 (2015)

Date:
13 April 2015

Case Summary:
Background:
The defendants, Watchtower and the North Fremont Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, appealed a finding of liability for damages relating to the sexual abuse of Candace Conti by a fellow member of the Congregation, Jonathan Kendrick, during church-sponsored door-to-door “field service”. Both the Congregation and Watchtower had been aware of a previous incident of abuse involving Kendrick and another child but, in keeping with the church’s policy of confidentiality, did not notify the authorities or the Congregation members. Conti sued Watchtower and the Congregation for failing to warn members of the Congregation or Conti’s parents that Kendrick was a child molester and for failing to limit and supervise his participation in church activities.

Issue and resolution:
Sexual abuse. Whether the organisation had a duty to warn Congregation members and parents about prior molestations, and a duty to supervise the church activities of the molester. The Court held that the defendants had no duty to warn the Congregation members or Conti’s parents that Kendrick had molested a child, but that the defendants had breached their duty to limit and supervise Kendrick’s church-sponsored activities.

Court reasoning:
The Court based its analysis on the concept that there is no general duty to control or warn others of the conduct of a third party unless a special relationship exists with either the person whose conduct needs to be controlled or the victim of the conduct in question. No such relationship was found here, and the church was not required to take affirmative steps to safeguard members against harm from other church members. The Court added that as a matter of public policy even if such a special relationship was found to exist, the detrimental consequences and imprecise scope of a duty to warn outweighed any counterbalancing concerns.

The Court ruled, however, that a special relationship did exist with respect to church-sponsored activities and found that, to the extent that control was exercised over Kendrick’s field service, the defendants had a duty to limit and supervise his participation. Watchtower determined who was eligible for field service, while the Congregation controlled when, where and with whom field service was conducted. Nothing was done to implement the church’s policy prohibiting child molesters from conducting service alone or with children. Because Conti was harmed during a church-sponsored activity over which the defendants had control, the defendants had a duty to take steps to supervise and limit Kendrick’s participation in such activity and the failure to do so constituted a breach of this duty.

Impact:
The decision led to widespread public outcry, as Watchtower and the Congregation apparently continue to have no duty to warn members of another member’s prior molestations. Conti withdrew her appeal to the California Supreme Court after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the defendants.


Link to Full Judgment:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17673252836970576866&q=Conti+v.+Watchtower+Bible+%26+Tract+Society+of+New+York&hl=en&as_sdt=6,33.

This case summary is provided by the Child Rights International Network for educational and informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice.


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Timalt the LYING HYPOCRITE
Una done see how Timalt is MISLEADING the general public with FALSE INFORMATION that JWs paid $28m US Dollars to child abuse victim? Na Timalt receive the $28m USD check for the plaintiff



The Clown dey call Catholic Pope..... grin
Wetin concern you with those you label as "idol worshippers"?
Since when your Church become Catholic?

Timalt , i STILL challenge you to bring Evidence here that your own Church or even yourself,have reported a child abuse case to the Police and saw to it that justice was served.
No dey DECEIVE yourself with speculations grin grin grin


Timalt KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the two witnesses rule, he is just making EMPTY NOISE to MISLEAD gullible people on this forum.
You have NEVER been to any JW Judicial hearing, your comments are baseless speculations copied from attention seeking individuals expelled from JW fold.
Anybody with a perceived axe to grind will post anything to play the classic victim card.


8 Days of edited YouTube video PROVES NOTHING!
The person with an axe to grind will show you what he wants you to see, NOT EVERYTHING THAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRES..


That someone takes you to Court on any matter is NO PROOF you are guilty of wrongdoing, even if the ruling is not in your favor.
ONLY Jehovah God is the true righteous Judge.

Shalom.

.

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Timalt: 3:44pm On Jun 01, 2020
Janosky:



CONTI V. WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC. ET AL.
UNITED STATES
Title:
Conti v. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, Inc. et al

Court:
California Court of Appeal, First District, Division 3

Citation:
235 Cal.App.4th 1214 (2015)

Date:
13 April 2015

Case Summary:
Background:
The defendants, Watchtower and the North Fremont Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, appealed a finding of liability for damages relating to the sexual abuse of Candace Conti by a fellow member of the Congregation, Jonathan Kendrick, during church-sponsored door-to-door “field service”. Both the Congregation and Watchtower had been aware of a previous incident of abuse involving Kendrick and another child but, in keeping with the church’s policy of confidentiality, did not notify the authorities or the Congregation members. Conti sued Watchtower and the Congregation for failing to warn members of the Congregation or Conti’s parents that Kendrick was a child molester and for failing to limit and supervise his participation in church activities.

Issue and resolution:
Sexual abuse. Whether the organisation had a duty to warn Congregation members and parents about prior molestations, and a duty to supervise the church activities of the molester. The Court held that the defendants had no duty to warn the Congregation members or Conti’s parents that Kendrick had molested a child, but that the defendants had breached their duty to limit and supervise Kendrick’s church-sponsored activities.

Court reasoning:
The Court based its analysis on the concept that there is no general duty to control or warn others of the conduct of a third party unless a special relationship exists with either the person whose conduct needs to be controlled or the victim of the conduct in question. No such relationship was found here, and the church was not required to take affirmative steps to safeguard members against harm from other church members. The Court added that as a matter of public policy even if such a special relationship was found to exist, the detrimental consequences and imprecise scope of a duty to warn outweighed any counterbalancing concerns.

The Court ruled, however, that a special relationship did exist with respect to church-sponsored activities and found that, to the extent that control was exercised over Kendrick’s field service, the defendants had a duty to limit and supervise his participation. Watchtower determined who was eligible for field service, while the Congregation controlled when, where and with whom field service was conducted. Nothing was done to implement the church’s policy prohibiting child molesters from conducting service alone or with children. Because Conti was harmed during a church-sponsored activity over which the defendants had control, the defendants had a duty to take steps to supervise and limit Kendrick’s participation in such activity and the failure to do so constituted a breach of this duty.

Impact:
The decision led to widespread public outcry, as Watchtower and the Congregation apparently continue to have no duty to warn members of another member’s prior molestations. Conti withdrew her appeal to the California Supreme Court after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the defendants.


Link to Full Judgment:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17673252836970576866&q=Conti+v.+Watchtower+Bible+%26+Tract+Society+of+New+York&hl=en&as_sdt=6,33.

This case summary is provided by the Child Rights International Network for educational and informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice.


***--------------------------------------------

Timalt the LYING HYPOCRITE
Una done see how Timalt is MISLEADING the general public with FALSE INFORMATION that JWs paid $28m US Dollars to child abuse victim? Na Timalt receive the $28m USD check for the plaintiff



The Clown dey call Catholic Pope..... grin
Wetin concern you with those you label as "idol worshippers"?
Since when your Church become Catholic?

Timalt , i STILL challenge you to bring Evidence here that your own Church or even yourself,have reported a child abuse case to the Police and saw to it that justice was served.
No dey DECEIVE yourself with speculations grin grin grin


Timalt KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the two witnesses rule, he is just making EMPTY NOISE to MISLEAD gullible people on this forum.
You have NEVER been to any JW Judicial hearing, your comments are baseless speculations copied from attention seeking individuals expelled from JW fold.
Anybody with a perceived axe to grind will post anything to play the classic victim card.


8 Days of edited YouTube video PROVES NOTHING!
The person with an axe to grind will show you what he wants you to see, NOT EVERYTHING THAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRES..


That someone takes you to Court on any matter is NO PROOF you are guilty of wrongdoing, even if the ruling is not in your favor.
ONLY Jehovah God is the true righteous Judge.

Shalom.

.


All Bark and no Bite. Name calling and more name calling.

Please I want everyone to read these carefully as we would be seeing who the liar is. He sees the pieces of evidence, yet he tries to employ ad hominem; a system commonly used by the jw's to discredit the person instead of the argument.

For the sake of clarity and easy comprehension, I would develop and organize my thoughts in the the comments to follow, one at a time.

First for the case of Conti (the victim) which was evidence No. 2 in my last post. Please let us all remember why I invoked that evidence. See what Janosky said
The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine

As you can all see, he said there was Zero proof and the courts called it alleged.

Here again is the link to evidence Number 2 https://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/

The link clearly shows that the crime happened, and even the Accused Jehovah witness admitted his guilt from that article.

Also like I said, Conti was awarded $28 Million dollars at the time of the hearing.

But 3 years later, an appeal was made by the Watchtower organization. And the appeal was on the grounds that the Watchtower had no duty to warn the congregants that a confessed child molester was one of their own. This is what Janosky just posted above. Still even with this change by the appeal court, the evidence number 2 link shows that Conti Still stands to receive $2.8 Million.

As you can all see, Janosky has misrepresented the facts. First he says that there is no child abuse among the Jehovah's witnesses by calling it alleged. Next he says the Watchtower won the case as if to say it was on the grounds of innocence by the Accused.

He fails to mention that Conti won the case and was awarded $28 Million dollars like I had truly and accurately stated as shown in evidence Number 2. But that in 3 years, the Watchtower corporation appealed on the grounds that, please pay careful attention, on the grounds that it did not have the duty to warn congregation members of a child sex abuse among them. Not that the accused was innocent, no. Guilt had already been established because he admitted and confessed.

But that as a corporation it could not be punished for negligence. It was on this ground that it won the appeal. Yet Conti (the victim) still stands to receive $2.8 Million dollars.

Cc Rozz please ị hope you are still following. Like I said I will make sure I arm you with the other side so that you can make your decision.

Now below are screenshots of the above I have written. The screenshot shows on what ground the corporation won the appeal and it shows that the Molester confessed.

still consult the link to evidence number 2 to see that there is no contradiction with the report provided by Janosky even though he wanted to add a misleading spin

Thank you cheesy

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Timalt: 4:21pm On Jun 01, 2020
This is a follow up of my response to the half truths, and logical fallacies presented by Janosky and his cohorts. smiley

Cc Rozz I hope you are still reading, as I continue to present more readily accessible facts.

Again, Let us not forget the reason why I have to invoke a small part of my arsenal of evidence against Janosky. Here is what he said
The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine

He clearly claims there is no child sex abuse among the Jehovah's witnesses ranks, that it's all alleged by enemies of the Watchtower.

Now let us here from the horses mouth. And who better than the Watchtower itself. See what the Watchtower May 2019 study article of Jehovah's witnesses has to say

"Sadly, child sexual abuse is a worldwide plague, and true Christians have been affected by this plague. Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13) In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children. Let us discuss why child abuse is such a grave sin. Then we will consider how elders handle instances of serious wrongdoing, including child abuse, and how parents can protect their children" - May Watchtower 2019, par 3.

Below is the direct link to the direct watchtower that I just quoted. See for yourself. cheesy

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/love-justice-face-of-wickedness/

Also I attached the screenshot below.

There you have it, my people. A clear, open, admission that Child Sex abuse is within their ranks. Infact that watchtower for May 2020 was primarily for child sex abuse problem within their organization and how it is handled.

Infact according to their secret elders book that is available for download online, smiley they now ask people if they had committed child sex abuse before they are appointed to different offices in their ranks.

Also take your time to go through the following links to cases where their elders and ministerial servants (their clergy) have been convicted and sent to prison. It is public knowledge. A simple Google search will lead you BBC website and other top media agencies coverage of this badness among their ranks.

1) https://www.hughjames.com/blog/jehovah%E2%80%99s-witness-elder-sentenced-to-nine-years-in-prison-for-sexual-abuse

2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-wales-46131196

3) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/%3foutputType=amp

Now watch the screenshot below grin

In my next post, I would expose the lie by Janosky that the Australian Royal Commission 8 day proceedings videos were edited. That's a pretty funny and naive thing to say sha. But I don't blame him. He's battling with cognitive dissonance.

I will be providing links to The official website of the Australian royal commission - which is the Highest form of Enquiry on matters of public importance in Australia.

Thank you grin

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 4:37pm On Jun 01, 2020
Timalt:
This is a follow up of my response to the half truths, and logical fallacies presented by Janosky and his cohorts. smiley

Cc Rozz I hope you are still reading, as I continue to present more readily accessible facts.

Again, Let us not forget the reason why I have to invoke a small part of my arsenal of evidence against Janosky. Here is what he said


He clearly claims there is no child sex abuse among the Jehovah's witnesses ranks, that it's all alleged by enemies of the Watchtower.

Now let us here from the horses mouth. And who better than the Watchtower itself. See what the Watchtower May 2019 study article of Jehovah's witnesses has to say

"Sadly, child sexual abuse is a worldwide plague, and true Christians have been affected by this plague. Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13) In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children. Let us discuss why child abuse is such a grave sin. Then we will consider how elders handle instances of serious wrongdoing, including child abuse, and how parents can protect their children" - May Watchtower 2019, par 3.

Below is the direct link to the direct watchtower that I just quoted. See for yourself. cheesy

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/love-justice-face-of-wickedness/

Also I attached the screenshot below.

There you have it, my people. A clear, open, admission that Child Sex abuse is within their ranks. Infact that watchtower for May 2020 was primarily for child sex abuse problem within their organization and how it is handled.

Infact according to their secret elders book that is available for download online, smiley they now ask people if they had committed child sex abuse before they are appointed to different offices in their ranks.

Also take your time to go through the following links to cases where their elders and ministerial servants (their clergy) have been convicted and sent to prison. It is public knowledge. A simple Google search will lead you BBC website and other top media agencies coverage of this badness among their ranks.

1) https://www.hughjames.com/blog/jehovah%E2%80%99s-witness-elder-sentenced-to-nine-years-in-prison-for-sexual-abuse

2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-wales-46131196

3) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/%3foutputType=amp

Now watch the screenshot below grin

In my next post, I would expose the lie by Janosky that the Australian Royal Commission 8 day proceedings videos were edited. That's a pretty funny and naive thing to say sha. But I don't blame him. He's battling with cognitive dissonance.

I will be providing links to The official website of the Australian royal commission - which is the Highest form of Enquiry on matters of public importance in Australia.

Thank you grin
I am following quietly.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Timalt: 4:42pm On Jun 01, 2020
This again is my follow up to Janosky's lies about how he tries to present the Jehovah witness organization as a Saint. grin

Cc: Rozz please I beg that you keep following one last time smiley

Janosky alleged this and I quote.
8 Days of edited YouTube video PROVES NOTHING!


He says the video of the Australian Royal commission is edited. As I said in my last comment, the Australian royal commission is the highest form of Enquiry in Australia.

Since he alleges that the video is edited, I urge everyone reading this to please download the official report of the proceeding from the official website of the Australian royal commission.

Here's the link to the website :

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses

Here's the link to the direct PDF Report for download :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-07/case_study_29_-_findings_report_-_jehovahs_witnesses.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjVg6Wu3-DpAhUJXRoKHagIDtMQFjACegQIAhAC&usg=AOvVaw1ndWHt90E6t_-bkE_IpdbR


You can as well navigate the first link and download the pdf yourself.

Below is a screenshot of one page capturing the summary of the proceeding.

Janosky also alleged that I know nothing about the two witness rule. I laugh because I know more than he will ever know about it except he is an elder which would not surprise me. Like I said everyone should go online and download their secret elders book and read for themselves.

Here's a quote from the book about Two Witness

"There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just people repeating hearsay; no action can be taken if there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15-17; John 8:17; 1 Tim. 5:19, 24, 25) If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, the elders can consider their testimony"

As you can all see it clearly says no action can be taken if there is only one witness.

Ladies and gentlemen I want you to draw your own conclusions. With the tap on a screen you can confirm if all I have presented is mine or if it is factual verifiable public information.

Like I have said before, Jehovah's witnesses just like many other religions have nice people among them and some doctrines I agree with just like I agree with that of other Christians. But they also have doctrines that are false, a plethora of failed prophecies and some very evil policies and practices.

But I love them just like Jesus said we should.

Thank you grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by softwhispers: 11:48pm On Jun 01, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Wait...was this because you couldn't win an argument with a JW? cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

Hi Rozzy,

Will love to connect with you.

Please, let me know
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:03am On Jun 02, 2020
softwhispers:

Hi Rozzy,
Will love to connect with you.
Please, let me know
we are already connected here
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Acehart: 7:28am On Jun 02, 2020
softwhispers:


Hi Rozzy,

Will love to connect with you.

Please, let me know

You want to whisper to him, right? Hope the whispers will be soft?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by softwhispers: 12:48pm On Jun 02, 2020
Rozz:
we are already connected here

Jisox Chrixt!
You talk this one oo
Hay God. I offend you?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by softwhispers: 12:54pm On Jun 02, 2020
Acehart:


You want to whisper to him, right? Hope the whispers will be soft?

You know this! grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:22pm On Jun 02, 2020
shadeyinka:

I will want you to check out the discussions between Maximus, Janosky and I on the Jehovah's Witness accredited English Bible Translation. (The last three pages).

Jesus is referred to as god and God in their bible

Isaiah 9:6
"For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.
And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God , Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"

- New World Translation



Here u are , Do u agree that if not for Translators humans are also called Mighty God's ?? Question is : Does that make them OUR GOD ?


John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
- New World Translation

The question I've asked them is simple "Is Jesus a Mighty god or Mighty God '

See how they argue endlessly on the usage of English language instead of keeping quiet.

If they can do that with ordinary English language, imagine what they do against the rest of the scriptures


I rest my case here!

You agree Theo's can be translated as " a god " ?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:27pm On Jun 02, 2020
shadeyinka:

I will want you to check out the discussions between Maximus, Janosky and I on the Jehovah's Witness accredited English Bible Translation. (The last three pages).

Jesus is referred to as god and God in their bible

Isaiah 9:6
"For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.
And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God , Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"

- New World Translation

John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
- New World Translation

The question I've asked them is simple "Is Jesus a Mighty god or Mighty God '

See how they argue endlessly on the usage of English language instead of keeping quiet.

If they can do that with ordinary English language, imagine what they do against the rest of the scriptures


I rest my case here!

@Rozz , one reason you shouldn't take this fellow serious on his mighty God claim is , humans are called EL GIBBOA translated as Mighty God for Jesus . but for other humans it was translated Mighty Chiefs or Mighty Leaders. Ezekiel 32:21 Na the same word o grin grin


But you see Almighty God, it was never applied to Jesus or any human. That's the weaking point of trinitarians

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 9:32pm On Jun 02, 2020
Peacefullove:


Here u are , Do u agree that if not for Translators humans are also called Mighty God's ?? Question is : Does that make them OUR GOD ?



You agree Theo's can be translated as " a god " ?
You people just love arguments. In English language, God (capital G) is reserved for the Creator being/Christian God while god (small g) is for any other named god.

It has nothing to do with Greek or Hebrew. It has all to do with English language rules of writing.

There is no scripture that calls human beings God (capital G) humans are at best gods (small g).

Please enough of mindless arguments
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:37pm On Jun 02, 2020
shadeyinka:

You people just love arguments. In English language, God (capital G) is reserved for the Creator being/Christian God while god (small g) is for any other named god.

It has nothing to do with Greek or Hebrew. It has all to do with English language rules of writing.

There is no scripture that calls human beings God (capital G) humans are at best gods (small g).

Please enough of mindless arguments

If capital G is reserved for the Supreme being, Is Jesus the Supreme being ? He has no one above him ?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:38pm On Jun 02, 2020
shadeyinka:

The Jehovah's Witness group actually has two separate Gods
1. God Almighty (Jehovah)
2. Mighty god( Jesus/Angel Michael)
Exo 20:3:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."


I think you agree with them.

And humans are called Mighty Gods too , You should have attach them into your table above na. The main point is nobody not even Jesus is ever called Almighty except the Father.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 9:38pm On Jun 02, 2020
Peacefullove:


If capital G is reserved for the Supreme being, Is Jesus the Supreme being ? He has no one above him ?
You NWT written in English refer to Jesus as both god and God. Certainly, can Christ be both?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:39pm On Jun 02, 2020
Rozz:
This is my first time seeing this about them,it may not be true though.

Not true.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:41pm On Jun 02, 2020
shadeyinka:

You NWT written in English refer to Jesus as both god and God. Certainly, can Christ be both?
Angels are called GOD , capital letters ... Does that make them Almighty ??

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:52pm On Jun 02, 2020
achorladey:


Shadeyinka why you write the god in Mighty god in small letter? New World Translation go follow you fight oooo. In Isaiah 9:6 na capital letter oooo. It is written as Mighty God.

: grin grin grin cheesy


Mumu even angels are called God , capital letter in many Bibles, dont know why your small head make issues out of nothing. U are a mumu though.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:56pm On Jun 02, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Understand the meaning God first, even better still, after that do similar with god.

Give an inexhaustible definition, meaning, explanation, description of what God is and what god is, then I'll humbly and kindly answer whether or whether not, a Supreme being can have a God

Supreme means what ?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:59pm On Jun 02, 2020
hoopernikao:


I think now, that it's either you aren't reading well to understand or you just want to create arguments from no where.

Was John 1:1 referring to "human being" been with God from beginning?

Sometimes when someone decides to leave you guys and be watching you have a way of just looking for arguments.

Oh see biased person, For human being its justified to play down Theo's as God. The person with God, is the person the supreme being ?? That's when u can have a point

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 10:00pm On Jun 02, 2020
Peacefullove:

Angels are called GOD , capital letters ... Does that make them Almighty ??
See how deceptive you have turned yourself. Can you show me a scripture that called angels GOD or gods(all capitalized or not). Angels are described as sons of God, messengers/servants but I don't know which scripture you are referring to. If perchance it exists, it would be written as god(small letters).
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 10:02pm On Jun 02, 2020
Peacefullove:



Mumu even angels are called God , capital letter in many Bibles, dont know why your small head make issues out of nothing. U are a mumu though.







The spirit that works in you eminently exhibited by you. Why insults just show a verse that calls angels God or God!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 10:07pm On Jun 02, 2020
shadeyinka:

The spirit that works in you eminently exhibited by you. Why insults just show a verse that calls angels God or God!

You call the JW's atheists an height of insult, u didnt remember that time one spirit is working in you , blooody hypocrite grin grin grin You see point , u shock. Deal with it angels are called both God and god. As well , Just as Jesus . doesnt make them almighty.

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