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Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by engrsyer(m): 9:28am On May 31, 2020
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.

I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.

Happy Sunday all

@OAM4J

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by engrsyer(m): 4:57pm On Oct 18, 2020
Up till now no one knows?

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by xproducer: 6:43pm On Oct 18, 2020
An angel is a messenger of God... "Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?" - Hebrews 1:14

Angel Gabriel, for example, delivered word to Mary that she would, per prophecy since told, bear the Savior, the Lord JESUS -

"And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." - Luke 1:35

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The Holy Spirit is GOD, One of the three Persons in the eternal GOD-head Who indwells all the children of GOD in Christ JESUS!

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." - John 14:26

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," - Matthew 28:19

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by hakeem4(m): 7:26pm On Oct 18, 2020
They’re the same. They both don’t exist

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Harshirama(m): 8:00pm On Oct 18, 2020
engrsyer:
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.

I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.

Happy Sunday all

@OAM4J

Pls help a brother and take to front page
The holy spirit is the spirit of Christ in us. Angels are ministering spirits. They are God's messengers and they also minister to man

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Janosky: 11:15pm On Oct 19, 2020
xproducer:
An angel is a messenger of God... "Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?" - Hebrews 1:14

Angel Gabriel, for example, delivered word to Mary that she would, per prophecy since told, bear the Savior, the Lord JESUS -

"And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." - Luke 1:35

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The Holy Spirit is GOD, One of the three Persons in the eternal GOD-head Who indwells all the children of GOD in Christ JESUS!

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." - John 14:26

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," - Matthew 28:19


" The holy spirit is God..." For where ?
Luke 11:20
"But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come on you.


Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."



Who told you that God's finger is a living spiritual person ?
Is your finger a living person?

Romans 8:26, KJV: "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but [b]the Spirit itself
maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 11:18pm On Oct 19, 2020
engrsyer:
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.

I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.

Happy Sunday all

@OAM4J

Pls help a brother and take to front page
Cc: Shadeyinka and Emusan.
Brother needs an answer to his question.
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Kobojunkie: 11:45pm On Oct 19, 2020
engrsyer:
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.

I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.

Happy Sunday all

@OAM4J

Pls help a brother and take to front page
See, when I read things like this, I wonder if it is not the case that people set themselves up to fail, where God is concerned, by their own lack of confidence in God Himself.
You claim to be a believer... yet you defer to people(flesh and blood) for wisdom that you can get directly from asking God Himself who you claim to believe in. Don't you think that by doing that you show that you do not trust Him at all? Do you think God would be happy with that?
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Emusan(m): 7:43am On Oct 20, 2020
Blabbermouth:

Cc: Shadeyinka and Emusan.
Brother needs an answer to his question.

Thanks for calling my attention to this!

And for the baby Christian, I'll advice you to do more reading of the scripture and attend Sunday school.

Angels and Holy Spirit are different entities.

Angels are created and they are persons

Holy Spirit is uncreated and also a person.
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by engrsyer(m): 10:58am On Oct 20, 2020
Kobojunkie:
See, when I read things like this, I wonder if it is not the case that people set themselves up to fail, where God is concerned, by their own lack of confidence in God Himself.
You claim to be a believer... yet you defer to people(flesh and blood) for wisdom that you can get directly from asking God Himself who you claim to believe in. Don't you think that by doing that you show that you do not trust Him at all? Do you think God would be happy with that?
From this your statement it is clear that you don't go to Church because you can't allow flesh and blood to preach to you on the alter of God because you communicate to God directly.
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:35am On Oct 20, 2020
engrsyer:
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.
I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.
Happy Sunday all
@OAM4J
Pls help a brother and take to front page

God is a spirit, he first created many spirit lifes in heaven, they are called angels (messengers).
As a spirit God sends out a form of force that he often use to accomplish his purposes, this is what is known as the holy spirit in the Bible, unlike angels who have their own minds and can choose to obey or disobey God's orders, the holy spirit has no mind of it's own.
It only does what God sent out to do! smiley
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Kobojunkie: 5:22pm On Oct 20, 2020
engrsyer:
From this your statement it is clear that you don't go to Church because you can't allow flesh and blood to preach to you on the alter of God because you communicate to God directly.
Duh!

Jesus Christ commanded that He and He alone be the ONLY TEACHER as far as His disciples are concerned. Why would anyone who believes in God and believes that God's word is truth, go to sit in a building men call a church in order that a mere man who claims to be of God teach them "lies" in the name of God? Yes, they teach lies... i.e. doctrines and rules of men which Jesus Christ warned His followers to beware of.....The leaven of the Pharisees ( the doctrines and lies of men).
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by shadeyinka(m): 6:11pm On Oct 21, 2020
engrsyer:
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.

I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.

Happy Sunday all

@OAM4J

Pls help a brother and take to front page
A Spirit is a non material Person and Conscious Being with Emotion, Will and Intellect

Holiness is an attribute of perfection OR a Dedication to One who is the Source of Life and All Beings.



1. God Himself is a Spirit.
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
2. Gods angels are also spirits.
Heb 1:7:
"And of the angels he said, Who makes his angels spirits , and his ministers a flame of fire."
3. Gods angels are Holy
Mat 25:31:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory:"

However, whenever the bible qualify the Spirit in question as "THE HOLY SPIRIT", it means God Himself in His capacity as THE FATHER/SOURCE of ALL Spirit that is HOLY.


Cc @ Blabbermouth:

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by pozehnani(f): 10:55pm On Oct 21, 2020
Never!

Angels are Messengers of God while the holy Spirit is the moving force of God. The holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity.

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Janosky: 11:20pm On Oct 21, 2020
pozehnani:
Never!

Angels are Messengers of God while the holy Spirit is the moving force of God. The holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity
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Luke 11:20
"But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come on you.


Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."

Can you reconcile your claim with the holy scriptures?

Or you know more than Jesus Christ @ Luke11:20 & Matthew 12:28 ?
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Emusan(m): 10:02am On Oct 22, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
God is a spirit, he first created many spirit lifes lives in heaven, they are called angels (messengers).

Did God FIRST created many spirit lives in heaven or FIRST created Angel Michael?

As a spirit God sends out a form of force that he often use to accomplish his purposes, this is what is known as the holy spirit in the Bible,

So is Holy Spirit created or not created?

How come Jesus can also send this Spirit or the Spirit was also called the Spirit of Christ?

unlike angels who have their own minds and can choose to obey or disobey God's orders, the holy spirit HAS NO MIND OF IT'S OWN.
It only does what God sent out to do! smiley

@bolden and underlined

Is it that you just decided to lie against scripture or you didn't know that a verse like this; CEV: All of our thoughts are known to God. He can understand what is in THE MIND OF THE SPIRIT, as the Spirit prays for God’s people. Rom 8:27 where it's boldly written that the Holy Spirit has A MIND or you just chose to be beclouded by Watchtower teaching?
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:37am On Oct 22, 2020
In as much as there are other commentators whose comments never formed one single line of thought and you singled my own, shows you genuinely cared for and take note of unique comments. So may God bless you for the interest shown for his name and righteousness!
Emusan:

Did God FIRST created many spirit lives in heaven or FIRST created Angel Michael?
According to Bible book of Colossians 1:15-16 God first created a mighty spirit creature known as the "first born" but then it's left to each scholar to find out who this first born is? In my own opinion i believe it's Michael who is referred to as the archangel or chief angel!



So is Holy Spirit created or not created?
The holy spirit wasn't created, it's God's active force as in the energy God emits to accomplish his purposes.

How come Jesus can also send this Spirit or the Spirit was also called the Spirit of Christ?

Jesus (Michael) don't have that type of force in him, he himself was an angel who must move to and fro in order to accomplish whatever he wish.
But due to the power confined in him after his earthly assignment, God gave Jesus that power to also emit energy (force) without having to move up and down. That's why he could say "God will send the holy spirit in my name" {John 14:26} Jesus could say this because the power belongs only to his father but God after his earthly assignment God gave Jesus the right to make use of that same force (energy).



@bolden and underlined
Is it that you just decided to lie against scripture or you didn't know that a verse like this; CEV: All of our thoughts are known to God. He can understand what is in THE MIND OF THE SPIRIT, as the Spirit prays for God’s people. Rom 8:27 where it's boldly written that the Holy Spirit has A MIND or you just chose to be beclouded by Watchtower teaching?
Due to problem in translation there could be little mix up but if you consider the same verse in other translations then you'll find out that the verse never said God's active force has a mind of its own! smiley

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by Emusan(m): 12:06pm On Oct 22, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
In as much as there are other commentators whose comments never formed one single line of thought and you singled my own, shows you genuinely cared for and take note of unique comments. So may God bless you for the interest shown for his name and righteousness!

No need of this Mumbo Jumbo!

God bless you richly.

According to Bible book of Colossians 1:15-16 God first created a mighty spirit creature known as the "first born" but then it's left to each scholar to find out who this first born is? In my own opinion i believe it's Michael who is referred to as the archangel or chief angel!

So how could you then say "God FIRST created many spirit lives?

That's an error, right?

The holy spirit wasn't created, it's God's active force as in the energy God emits to accomplish his purposes.

So Holy Spirit is ETERNAL, in simple word.

Now, if Holy Spirit is what God emits as a force, how could Christ control Him?

You means Christ has control over God

Jesus (Michael) don't have that type of force in him, he himself was an angel who must move to and fro in order to accomplish whatever he wish.

But the Holy Spirit was CALLED the Spirit of Christ.

Not different FORCES here but the same HOLY SPIRT said to be SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

But due to the power confined in him after his earthly assignment, God gave Jesus that power to also emit energy (force) without having to move up and down.

So God makes Christ to be ALL POWERFUL, that's nice!

But the point here is, Jesus Christ didn't emit any energy (force) but the Holy Spirit was CALLED His spirit.

Are they two different Holy Spirit?

That's why he could say "God will send the holy spirit in my name" {John 14:26}

But Christ says somewhere else that He will be the one who will send the Comforter.

How come Christ has power to send something that is absolutely part of God and belong to God?

Jesus could say this because the power belongs only to his father but God after his earthly assignment God gave Jesus the right to make use of that same force (energy).

Apostle Peter said in the old time, "the SPIRIT OF CHRIST in them (believers) spoke expressly"

Which means The Holy Spirit isn't something Christ has access to after His earthly mission but from time immemorial.

Tell us another lie, this is too cheap.

Due to problem in translation there could be little mix up but if you consider the same verse in other translations then you'll find out that the verse never said God's active force has a mind of its own! smiley

And you can't name the Translation.

Can you provide at least 5 New Testament Translations apart from the one you provided above, so that we can cross check them?

Meanwhile, even the translation you quoted can't save you either because it says "it is PLEADING IN HARMONY with God..." It shows that verse proves Holy Spirit has the mind of His own because what doesn't have MIND can't be PLEADING IN HARMONY WITH GOD.
Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:25pm On Oct 22, 2020
Emusan:

No need of this Mumbo Jumbo!
God bless you richly.
So how could you then say "God FIRST created many spirit lives?
That's an error, right?
It might sound like error but what i meant is God first created many spirits (angels) he started from one known as the first born of all creation

So Holy Spirit is ETERNAL, in simple word.
Now, if Holy Spirit is what God emits as a force, how could Christ control Him?
You means Christ has control over God
This active force is God's property so he gave Jesus the right to make use of it after Jesus has accomplished his redemption work {John 19:30} that's why he could say after his resurrection "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me"! Matthew 28:18


But the Holy Spirit was CALLED the Spirit of Christ.Not different FORCES here but the same HOLY SPIRT said to be SPIRIT OF CHRIST.
There are many texts translated "Spirit" it doesn't mean the holy spirit (God's active force) so if you're not careful you'll think it means the same thing. The spirit of Christ connotes the love of Christ that moves many into doing so many things prior to his coming, during his lifetime and after his ascension. For instance we can say "the spirit of music has been right from ancient times till today" this simply means there has always been music lovers. smiley



So God makes Christ to be ALL POWERFUL, that's nice!
But the point here is, Jesus Christ didn't emit any energy (force) but the Holy Spirit was CALLED His spirit.
Are they two different Holy Spirit?

It was his father's property so if the father allowed the son to make use of it doesn't means it has been splitted or doubled.



But Christ says somewhere else that He will be the one who will send the Comforter.
How come Christ has power to send something that is absolutely part of God and belong to God?
Apostle Peter said in the old time, "the SPIRIT OF CHRIST in them (believers) spoke expressly"
Which means The Holy Spirit isn't something Christ has access to after His earthly mission but from time immemorial.
Of course Jesus was given the right to emits the energy after his earthly assignment, as for what the Apostle said it simply means the love for the Christ has been operational even before Jesus' arrival! John 4:25

Tell us another lie, this is too cheap.
And you can't name the Translation.
Can you provide at least 5 New Testament Translations apart from the one you provided above, so that we can cross check them?
Meanwhile, even the translation you quoted can't save you either because it says "it is PLEADING IN HARMONY with God..." It shows that verse proves Holy Spirit has the mind of His own because what doesn't have MIND can't be PLEADING IN HARMONY WITH GOD.
You may choose any version that's working out what is positive in the midst of those making use of it {Hebrew 4:12; James 2:18-26} nobody can force you to stick to any particular version, it's a free world!
As regards the spirit said to be pleading in harmony with God connotes the love permeating the congregation of God that's making true Christians speak in harmony! John 17:22

God bless you! smiley

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Re: Are Angels Of God Same As Holy Spirit? by K254725: 5:43pm On Oct 22, 2020
engrsyer:
Today is a day of Pentecost, the baptism of fire by Holy Ghost.

I am a baby Christian so I ask the elders in the Christendom whom may be Elders, Pastors, Reverends, Apostles, Bishop, Archbishop and even Pope should tell me because I want to learn.

Happy Sunday all

@OAM4J


The Angels are holy. They are spirit too.

However, I think that by the Spirit of God that Christ said would descend, it is a different kind of spirit. It is in my opinion, a form God himself that remained on earth to interact with men to produce fruits of the Spirit ... To give us His nature of holiness (holiness is what we produce).


4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.4:8 ... who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians

Angels on the other hand a many, with varied authority (powers,) roles, responsibilities. Their roles are limited compared to the Holy Spirit which seems to refer to the entire nature of God

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