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Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 6:19pm On Jun 12, 2020
Allah is said to be infinitely perfectly self-sufficient, what's the purpose of him creating humans in a tiny dust earth in the milky way galaxy only for him to say "worship me"?

That's not even the only questionable part, the most questionable part is prayers was to be 50 times daily!!! Like 50 prayers a day!! Isn't that suffering and likely affects the growth of the economy?

Muhammad begged Allah to reduce it to 5.

Can someone PLEASE(before they say I'm rude) tell me what Allah the self-sufficient God wanted/wants to do with 50 prayers then 5 prayers daily?
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Xmuslim: 8:17pm On Jun 12, 2020
Muslim response.

1. Allah deserves our worship because he favoured us over animals by giving us conciousness.

2. We already promised Allah when we were in the loins of Adam that we would worship him. Not doing it is a bridge of agreement.

3. All what Allah command us to do is for our benefit not his

I can go on but let me stop here.

All these reasons make no sense to an independent mind

I don't need to thank God for creating me. I didn't beg him to create me. If he created me as a goat or lion, it does not make any difference.

I'm not even sure if God exist

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 9:15pm On Jun 12, 2020
Xmuslim:
Muslim response.

1. Allah deserves our worship because he favoured us over animals by giving us conciousness.

2. We already promised Allah when we were in the loins of Adam that we would worship him. Not doing it is a bridge of agreement.

3. All what Allah command us to do is for our benefit not his

I can go on but let me stop here.

All these reasons make no sense to an independent mind

I don't need to thank God for creating me. I didn't beg him to create me. If he created me as a goat or lion, it does not make any difference.

I'm not even sure if God exist


Definitely doesn't make any sense.

No one was asked if they want to be created, no one begged Allah they want to be created, nothing will matter if we don't exist, why then does he want people to worship him 5 times a day?

There's no total freewill here, "worship me or burn In hell".

The idea of worshiping the imaginary God is to keep people in check and make them believe they owe God everything.

The deist concept of God still make some sense, a God that doesn't want to be worshiped nor intervene.
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 12:17am On Jun 13, 2020
tintingz:


Definitely doesn't make any sense.

No one was asked if they want to be created, no one begged Allah they want to be created, nothing will matter if we don't exist, why then does he want people to worship him 5 times a day?

There's no total freewill here, "worship me or burn In hell".

The idea of worshiping the imaginary God is to keep people in check and make them believe they owe God everything.

Theeist concept of God still make some sense, a God that doesn't want to be worshiped nor intervene.


Allah is Al-Haliq ( The creator). Just as the greatness of the writer is attested to in his writing, the manifestation of the Creator is in his Creation.. Therefore, Allah has created all of what pleases his Majesty, among which is one of the least creations; human being to manifest his attribute of a CREATOR.
The creation of human being is among the least compared to many other mighty creations of Allah such as the heavens and the earths, the mountains, the galaxies, the angels and the rest.

Therefore, Allah does not benefit in human either worshipping or rebellious against him as he has no need of those. All of the rest of the creations which are glorifying their Lord, and they are never tired of that or arrogant towards it. Human beings are to benefit from their worship or Allah, and to suffer for their rebelliousness.

He (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) says;
No one can question what he does, but they will be questioned. (Qur'an 21 vs 23)

Therefore, it is not for you or for anything to question Allah about any of his acts of creations, commands, rewards, punishments and others. Rather, you will be questioned by him because He is the creator and not you.

Explanations on how those who worship Allah are benefitting from their acts of worships might be very vague to you or goes beyond your comprehension since you are not worshipping him but rather challenging, questioning, and trying to subject him to human rationalization using the facilities such as eye, intellect free time, hands, health and others which he has endowed you with.

Finally, Allah supreme justice dictates that he burns the obstinate disbelievers in hell and reward his pious servants. Both good and bad cannot be treated the same way. That would be injustice which is incompatible with the essence of Allah.

Reason and act right very quick. What comes with and beyond death is very severe.
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Xmuslim: 2:15am On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:



Allah is Al-Haliq ( The creator). Just as the greatness of the writer is attested to in his writing, the manifestation of the Creator is in his Creation.. Therefore, Allah has created all of what pleases his Majesty, among which is one of the least creations; human being to manifest his attribute of a CREATOR.
The creation of human being is among the least compared to many other mighty creations of Allah such as the heavens and the earths, the mountains, the galaxies, the angels and the rest.

Therefore, Allah does not benefit in human either worshipping or rebellious against him as he has no need of those. All of the rest of the creations which are glorifying their Lord, and they are never tired of that or arrogant towards it. Human beings are to benefit from their worship or Allah, and to suffer for their rebelliousness.

He (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) says;
No one can question what he does, but they will be questioned. (Qur'an 21 vs 23)

Therefore, it is not for you or for anything to question Allah about any of his acts of creations, commands, rewards, punishments and others. Rather, you will be questioned by him because He is the creator and not you.


At bolded, even if we have evidence that Allah exists and that he sent Qur'an, won't he be an unreasonable God for giving us intellect yet expect us to be dogmatic in our act?

I personally think everything in religion should be logically explainable if God actually endowed us with intellectual capabilities.



Explanations on how those who worship Allah are benefitting from their acts of worships might be very vague to you or goes beyond your comprehension since you are not worshipping him but rather challenging, questioning, and trying to subject him to human rationalization using the facilities such as eye, intellect free time, hands, health and others which he has endowed you with.

Finally, Allah supreme justice dictates that he burns the obstinate disbelievers in hell and reward his pious servants. Both good and bad cannot be treated the same way. That would be injustice which is incompatible with the essence of Allah.

Reason and act right very quick. What comes with and beyond death is very severe.


While I agree that there should be a sort of punishment for bad action, I disagree with the fire punishment for short term, let alone eternal hell. Nothing can justify eternal hell.

Also, why judge people based on their beliefs, instead of their actions (good or bad).

Your last paragraph is one of the reasons why it took me a long time to abandoned religion. The fear of the punishment of the grave and eternal hell. I swear these are just a psychological tools used by Muhammad to keep us in Islam. I'm very sure about this. No sane God will punish vulnerable human to that extent. There is nothing divine about Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 6:49am On Jun 13, 2020
Xmuslim:


At bolded, even if we have evidence that Allah exists and that he sent Qur'an, won't he be an unreasonable God for giving us intellect yet expect us to be dogmatic in our act?

I personally think everything in religion should be logically explainable if God actually endowed us with intellectual capabilities.



While I agree that there should be a sort of punishment for bad action, I disagree with the fire punishment for short term, let alone eternal hell. Nothing can justify eternal hell.

Also, why judge people based on their beliefs, instead of their actions (good or bad).

Your last paragraph is one of the reasons why it took me a long time to abandoned religion. The fear of the punishment of the grave and eternal hell. I swear these are just a psychological tools used by Muhammad to keep us in Islam. I'm very sure about this. No sane God will punish vulnerable human to that extent. There is nothing divine about Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

May you receive guidance.

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 7:00am On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:



Allah is Al-Haliq ( The creator). Just as the greatness of the writer is attested to in his writing, the manifestation of the Creator is in his Creation.. Therefore, Allah has created all of what pleases his Majesty, among which is one of the least creations; human being to manifest his attribute of a CREATOR.
The creation of human being is among the least compared to many other mighty creations of Allah such as the heavens and the earths, the mountains, the galaxies, the angels and the rest.

Therefore, Allah does not benefit in human either worshipping or rebellious against him as he has no need of those. All of the rest of the creations which are glorifying their Lord, and they are never tired of that or arrogant towards it. Human beings are to benefit from their worship or Allah, and to suffer for their rebelliousness.

He (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) says;
No one can question what he does, but they will be questioned. (Qur'an 21 vs 23)

Therefore, it is not for you or for anything to question Allah about any of his acts of creations, commands, rewards, punishments and others. Rather, you will be questioned by him because He is the creator and not you.

Explanations on how those who worship Allah are benefitting from their acts of worships might be very vague to you or goes beyond your comprehension since you are not worshipping him but rather challenging, questioning, and trying to subject him to human rationalization using the facilities such as eye, intellect free time, hands, health and others which he has endowed you with.

Finally, Allah supreme justice dictates that he burns the obstinate disbelievers in hell and reward his pious servants. Both good and bad cannot be treated the same way. That would be injustice which is incompatible with the essence of Allah.

Reason and act right very quick. What comes with and beyond death is very severe.


You just made claims without no logical answer to it.

You're still repeating what I said about this topic.
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 7:07am On Jun 13, 2020
Xmuslim:


At bolded, even if we have evidence that Allah exists and that he sent Qur'an, won't he be an unreasonable God for giving us intellect yet expect us to be dogmatic in our act?

I personally think everything in religion should be logically explainable if God actually endowed us with intellectual capabilities.



While I agree that there should be a sort of punishment for bad action, I disagree with the fire punishment for short term, let alone eternal hell. Nothing can justify eternal hell.

Also, why judge people based on their beliefs, instead of their actions (good or bad).

Your last paragraph is one of the reasons why it took me a long time to abandoned religion. The fear of the punishment of the grave and eternal hell. I swear these are just a psychological tools used by Muhammad to keep us in Islam. I'm very sure about this. No sane God will punish vulnerable human to that extent. There is nothing divine about Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

The fear of hell is what I also struggled with for long before i left Islam, most Atheists, non-theists that ones believed in hell struggled with this belief of hell. It's indeed a tool to keep people in check in the religion, a strong indoctrination.

But the moment you read that other religions also have this concept of hell and non-believers will burn in their version of hell will make you realize they're all man-made.
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Xmuslim: 7:08am On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:


May you receive guidance.

May I know how you received your own guidance sir. How did you know Islam is what God wants from us. I don't want us to argue whether God exist or not
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 7:21am On Jun 13, 2020
Xmuslim:


May I know how you received your own guidance sir. How did you know Islam is what God wants from us. I don't want us to argue whether God exist or not

Guidance is a grace from Allah. He guides whoever he wants. However, everybody has the capacity to choose his or her course in life.. Therefore, engagements of reasoning faculties in the appropriate way can also qualifies one to receive the grace of guidance.. It therefore means that whoever earnestly desires and seek guidance shall be guided.

If you can establish that Qur'an is a revelation from Allah, you have your answer to whether Islam is the only acceptable religion or not. And to establish that is most easy, but I won't will be willing to do that here as this will be my last reply to you on this thread.

Seek guidance, you shall be guided. Peace unto you!

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 7:28am On Jun 13, 2020
tintingz:


You just made claims without no logical answer to it.

You're still repeating what I said about this topic.

Of course, the only logical answer that can satisfy you is to see with your naked eye Allah descending down from the heaven in the ranks of the angels. Probably hoisting paradise on his right, and hell on his left. Unfortunately, you cannot be obliged with that until a time that will might be too late.

However, to break it down for you that we have sung different tunes, I was able to address your question on why Allah has created us, and whether he needs our worship or not and why some will be punished. Making sense out of it or not is totally up to you.

Peace unto you!!

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by AntiChristian: 7:53am On Jun 13, 2020
May Allah keep us steadfast in Islam till we breath our last.

And may we not be afflicted with what these atheist have been afflicted!

Aamin.

Aegerine

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 7:57am On Jun 13, 2020
AntiChristian:
May Allah keep us steadfast in Islam till we breath our last.

And may we not be afflicted with what these atheist have been afflicted!

Aamin.

Aegerine

Amin brother.

Lol.. We will never loose hope on them insha Allah

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 7:58am On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:


Of course, the only logical answer that can satisfy you is to see with your naked eye Allah descending down from the heaven in the ranks of the angels. Probably hoisting paradise on his right, and hell on his left. Unfortunately, you cannot be obliged with that until a time that will might be too late.
Lol, you just assume what i never claim.

I never made mention of wanted to see Allah, I just asked for logical reasons.

Instead of saying "I don't know", you repeated what the thread is about.

It seems Muslims and theists have problem saying "I don't know".

However, to break it down for you that we have sung different tunes, I was able to address your question on why Allah has created us, and whether he needs our worship or not and why some will be punished. Making sense out of it or not is totally up to you.

Peace unto you!!

In a nutshell there's no sense in it? Yes?
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 8:01am On Jun 13, 2020
AntiChristian:
May Allah keep us steadfast in Islam till we breath our last.

And may we not be afflicted with what these atheist have been afflicted!

Aamin.

Aegerine

Well whatever increases your delusion and make you to feel good. cheesy
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 8:06am On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:


Amin brother.

Lol.. We will never loose hope on them insha Allah


Well that same hope led me out of Islam.

Keep hoping.
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by AntiChristian: 9:03am On Jun 13, 2020
tintingz:


Well whatever increases your delusion and make you to feel good. cheesy

Even in atheism you still remain frustrated!

Greet Baba Ibeji o! grin

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Xmuslim: 9:35am On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:


Guidance is a grace from Allah. He guides whoever he wants. However, everybody has the capacity to choose his or her course in life.. Therefore, engagements of reasoning faculties in the appropriate way can also qualifies one to receive the grace of guidance.. It therefore means that whoever earnestly desires and seek guidance shall be guided.

If you can establish that Qur'an is a revelation from Allah, you have your answer to whether Islam is the only acceptable religion or not. And to establish that is most easy, but I won't will be willing to do that here as this will be my last reply to you on this thread.

Seek guidance, you shall be guided. Peace unto you!

Peace be on you too.

Thanks and I appreciate your response. We all human and the more we live, the more we learn.

It is natural that anyone born into Islamic family would be indoctrinated into the belief. Also, some of us that later deviate did so due to the fact that we have done independent unbiased research about the religion and found it unreliable.

Let me give you few example, the abrogation principle is a shame to the religion. Why would God inspire the prophet and cause him to forget part of it or abrogate part of it. The example of gradual prohibition of alcohol is a scam. There are many other abrogation that does not make sense. Kindly research them with open mind.

Another error is the preservation of the Qur'an. We were taught that Qur'an was preserved word for word. Recent research has reveal contrary.

All the scientific miracles of the Qur'an we were exposed to by zakir naik and the like are a big scam. We now know that Qur'an contain many scientific errors.

I can go on but let me stop here.

Until a Muslim treat Qur'an as an ordinary book and critisize objectively, he will never find error in the book.

I wish you all the best

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Xmuslim: 9:45am On Jun 13, 2020
AntiChristian:
May Allah keep us steadfast in Islam till we breath our last.

And may we not be afflicted with what these atheist have been afflicted!

Aamin.

Aegerine

No insult intended pls. Most indoctrinated adult are deluded (even if they become a professor in their field), but they may never realise.

Arguing with someone deluded and brainwashed is like feeding medicine to a corpse.

I dream of a day, when children will be allowed to grow up (maybe 18yrs) before introducing religion to them. In this way, those that will accept religion will do so on their own volition and it will be easier for them to renounce the religion later in life if they found fault in it.

You are promoting Islam today because you have been brainwashed, but you think you're smart.
You even think Islam is your choice
You think you have seen the truth in it (the scientific miracle in it, the literature miracle, no contradictions miracle, mathematical miracle)


I will tell you this today.

You were able to spot all those miracles after you have been made to believe in Islam. Thus, you can't be unbiase.

This is why you always find excuses whenever someone point out error in the Qur'an.

You can never judge wisely until you remove two things from your mind

1. Confirmation bias
2. Cognitive dissonance.

By the way, I have been in your shoes before. So I know how painful it is to discover that your religion is not valid. It took me long time too

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 10:20am On Jun 13, 2020
AntiChristian:


Even in atheism you still remain frustrated!

Greet Baba Ibeji o! grin

Nah, frustrated? This is projection.

Like I said whatever makes you feel good and increases your delusion.
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by sino(m): 11:11am On Jun 13, 2020
tintingz:
Allah is said to be infinitely perfectly self-sufficient, what's the purpose of him creating humans in a tiny dust earth in the milky galaxy only for him to say "worship me"?

That's not even the only questionable part, the most questionable part is prayers was to be 50 times daily!!! Like 50 prayers a day!! Isn't that suffering and likely affects the growth of the economy?

Muhammad begged Allah to reduce it to 5.

Can someone PLEASE(before they say I'm rude) tell me what Allah the self-sufficient God wanted/wants to do with 50 prayers then 5 prayers?

A destitute, has no job, no education or qualifications, no skill whatsoever, lives under the bridge. He got picked up by a wealthy individual, he gives food, clothing, shelter and even education and later a job. Well, according to you, the destitute never asked for all these, and so needs not be grateful! Why should he be?! Would the destitute lack of gratitude make the wealthy become poor or diminish his personality in public?! What does this say about the destitute?!

You didn't asked to be created, and thus, you should know your place in the scheme of things...i.e, insignificant! You have chosen not to worship God, and this hasn't changed the world from how it functions or changed the fact that you are still not in charge of what happens to you in the next 5 minutes, 1 hour, 1 year, 10 years and the hereafter!

God has informed us in the Qur'an the purpose He created us for, and that is to worship Him. He Has all the prerogative to demand from His creation whatsoever He wants and how He wants it. You don't agree?! Yeah, no problem, it's your choice, and it is His prerogative to also make you face the consequences of your actions.

Your escape is to deny the existence of God, but it is just what it is, living in denial!
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 1:14pm On Jun 13, 2020
sino:


A destitute, has no job, no education or qualifications, no skill whatsoever, lives under the bridge. He got picked up by a wealthy individual, he gives food, clothing, shelter and even education and later a job. Well, according to you, the destitute never asked for all these, and so needs not be grateful! Why should he be?! Would the destitute lack of gratitude make the wealthy become poor or diminish his personality in public?! What does this say about the destitute?!

You didn't asked to be created, and thus, you should know your place in the scheme of things...i.e, insignificant! You have chosen not to worship God, and this hasn't changed the world from how it functions or changed the fact that you are still not in charge of what happens to you in the next 5 minutes, 1 hour, 1 year, 10 years and the hereafter!

God has informed us in the Qur'an the purpose He created us for, and that is to worship Him. He Has all the prerogative to demand from His creation whatsoever He wants and how He wants it. You don't agree?! Yeah, no problem, it's your choice, and it is His prerogative to also make you face the consequences of your actions.

Your escape is to deny the existence of God, but it is just what it is, living in denial!

Using an existing being suffering as your analogy. Lol. Flawed.

And besides a poor man won't worship his helper all his life and his helper won't ask to be worshiped or be punished. Or should one be thanking his parents for bringing him to this world?

If you're not created by this self-sufficient God, would anything matter?

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Rilwayne001: 1:52pm On Jun 13, 2020
Xmuslim:


At bolded, even if we have evidence that Allah exists and that he sent Qur'an, won't he be an unreasonable God for giving us intellect yet expect us to be dogmatic in our act?

I personally think everything in religion should be logically explainable if God actually endowed us with intellectual capabilities.



While I agree that there should be a sort of punishment for bad action, I disagree with the fire punishment for short term, let alone eternal hell. Nothing can justify eternal hell.

Also, why judge people based on their beliefs, instead of their actions (good or bad).

Your last paragraph is one of the reasons why it took me a long time to abandoned religion. The fear of the punishment of the grave and eternal hell. I swear these are just a psychological tools used by Muhammad to keep us in Islam. I'm very sure about this. No sane God will punish vulnerable human to that extent. There is nothing divine about Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

Smh
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by LordReed(m): 2:10pm On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:



Allah is Al-Haliq ( The creator). Just as the greatness of the writer is attested to in his writing, the manifestation of the Creator is in his Creation.. Therefore, Allah has created all of what pleases his Majesty, among which is one of the least creations; human being to manifest his attribute of a CREATOR.
The creation of human being is among the least compared to many other mighty creations of Allah such as the heavens and the earths, the mountains, the galaxies, the angels and the rest.

Therefore, Allah does not benefit in human either worshipping or rebellious against him as he has no need of those. All of the rest of the creations which are glorifying their Lord, and they are never tired of that or arrogant towards it. Human beings are to benefit from their worship or Allah, and to suffer for their rebelliousness.

He (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) says;
No one can question what he does, but they will be questioned. (Qur'an 21 vs 23)

Therefore, it is not for you or for anything to question Allah about any of his acts of creations, commands, rewards, punishments and others. Rather, you will be questioned by him because He is the creator and not you.

Explanations on how those who worship Allah are benefitting from their acts of worships might be very vague to you or goes beyond your comprehension since you are not worshipping him but rather challenging, questioning, and trying to subject him to human rationalization using the facilities such as eye, intellect free time, hands, health and others which he has endowed you with.

Finally, Allah supreme justice dictates that he burns the obstinate disbelievers in hell and reward his pious servants. Both good and bad cannot be treated the same way. That would be injustice which is incompatible with the essence of Allah.

Reason and act right very quick. What comes with and beyond death is very severe.


How do you determine who created something? Do you just believe it if someone claims to be the creator of something or do you verify it in some way?

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by sino(m): 2:48pm On Jun 13, 2020
tintingz:


Using an existing being suffering as your analogy. Lol. Flawed.

And besides a poor man won't worship his helper all his life and his helper won't ask to be worshiped or be punished. Or should one be thanking his parents for bringing him to this world?

If you're not created by this self-sufficient God, would anything matter?
Definition of analogy:

1a: a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect

b: resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : SIMILARITY

... Merriam Webster

Definition of worship (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1: to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2: to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion

worship noun
Definition of worship (Entry 2 of 2)
1: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power
also : an act of expressing such reverence
2: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
3: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem
worship of the dollar
.... Merriam Webster

Well Islam teaches us to honor and have deep respect for our parents, and part of honouring and respecting ones benefactor is to show gratitude! Is this surprising that you have no grasp of all these?! Well again it's a free world, you can choose to dishonour and disrespect your parents and your benefactors...

Because we exist, that is why everything matters, that is why there are consequences and why you are here denying the existence of God!
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Xmuslim: 4:28pm On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:



Allah is Al-Haliq ( The creator). Just as the greatness of the writer is attested to in his writing, the manifestation of the Creator is in his Creation.. Therefore, Allah has created all of what pleases his Majesty, among which is one of the least creations; human being to manifest his attribute of a CREATOR.
The creation of human being is among the least compared to many other mighty creations of Allah such as the heavens and the earths, the mountains, the galaxies, the angels and the rest.

Therefore, Allah does not benefit in human either worshipping or rebellious against him as he has no need of those. All of the rest of the creations which are glorifying their Lord, and they are never tired of that or arrogant towards it. Human beings are to benefit from their worship or Allah, and to suffer for their rebelliousness.

He (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) says;
No one can question what he does, but they will be questioned. (Qur'an 21 vs 23)

Therefore, it is not for you or for anything to question Allah about any of his acts of creations, commands, rewards, punishments and others. Rather, you will be questioned by him because He is the creator and not you.

Explanations on how those who worship Allah are benefitting from their acts of worships might be very vague to you or goes beyond your comprehension since you are not worshipping him but rather challenging, questioning, and trying to subject him to human rationalization using the facilities such as eye, intellect free time, hands, health and others which he has endowed you with.

Finally, Allah supreme justice dictates that he burns the obstinate disbelievers in hell and reward his pious servants. Both good and bad cannot be treated the same way. That would be injustice which is incompatible with the essence of Allah.

Reason and act right very quick. What comes with and beyond death is very severe.


Thanks for your time.

Although your comparism is flawed. The fear of what comes after death is the reason why many believers will continue to have hope. I won't blame anyone for such

However, fear doesn't right what's wrong. It is suffice to say that your fear of unknown and after death won't allow you to accept the flaw in the religion. But please don't be too extreme in your religion. Any law in your religion that endanger other human beings should not be followed pls. Together we can live together in harmony

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 5:15pm On Jun 13, 2020
Xmuslim:


Thanks for your time.

Although your comparism is flawed. The fear of what comes after death is the reason why many believers will continue to have hope. I won't blame anyone for such

However, fear doesn't right what's wrong. It is suffice to say that your fear of unknown and after death won't allow you to accept the flaw in the religion. But please don't be too extreme in your religion. Any law in your religion that endanger other human beings should not be followed pls. Together we can live together in harmony


Lol! Okay sir..
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 5:19pm On Jun 13, 2020
LordReed:


How do you determine who created something? Do you just believe it if someone claims to be the creator of something or do you verify it in some way?

We verified it sir, and found the claim to be very accurate and logical.

Do you suppose that you just came about from nowhere or you created yourself? . OK you belief in the Darwin's theory of being a descendant of monkey. But who created those monkeys?

Why didn't you lay claim to being the creator if just anybody can claim it?
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by tintingz(m): 6:24pm On Jun 13, 2020
sino:

Definition of analogy:

1a: a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect

b: resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : SIMILARITY

... Merriam Webster

Definition of worship (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1: to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2: to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion

worship noun
Definition of worship (Entry 2 of 2)
1: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power
also : an act of expressing such reverence
2: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
3: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem
worship of the dollar
.... Merriam Webster

Well Islam teaches us to honor and have deep respect for our parents, and part of honouring and respecting ones benefactor is to show gratitude! Is this surprising that you have no grasp of all these?! Well again it's a free world, you can choose to dishonour and disrespect your parents and your benefactors...

Because we exist, that is why everything matters, that is why there are consequences and why you are here denying the existence of God!

Again...

If I and everyone wasn't born the Idea of honouring, respect, worship etc, nothing won't matter!

Allah created humans for his own selfish reason just for humans to worship him or you burn in hell, that's some narcissistic behavior. He's an independent omnipotent being, what does he gain in worshipping him?

I'm not denying the existence of God, your God doesn't exist to even deny it existence, anyways keep worshiping your imaginary narcissistic God. I wonder why he didn't approve of 50 prayers daily to you people. smiley cheesy
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by LordReed(m): 6:29pm On Jun 13, 2020
Aegerine:


We verified it sir, and found the claim to be very accurate and logical.

Do you suppose that you just came about from nowhere or you created yourself? . OK you belief in the Darwin's theory of being a descendant of monkey. But who created those monkeys?

Why didn't you lay claim to being the creator if just anybody can claim it?

The question is quite simple and does not need your antagonism. HOW did you verify the claim?

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Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 7:02pm On Jun 13, 2020
LordReed:


The question is quite simple and does not need your antagonism. HOW did you verify the claim?


Would you derive any benefits from my reply or you just want to drag me into what I am ordinarily not disposed to
Re: Allah Is Self-sufficient, Why Does He Want Muslims To Pray To Him Daily? by Aegerine: 7:19pm On Jun 13, 2020
tintingz:


Again...

If I and everyone wasn't born the Idea of honouring, respect, worship etc, nothing won't matter!

Allah created humans for his own selfish reason just for humans to worship him or you burn in hell, that's some narcissistic behavior. He's an independent omnipotent being, what does he gain in worshipping him?

I'm not denying the existence of God, your God doesn't exist to even deny it existence, anyways keep worshiping your imaginary narcissistic God. I wonder why he didn't approve of 50 prayers daily to you people. smiley cheesy

It amazes me how you are able to feel perfectly okay after all these vituperations against Allah..

If you don't belief in him, you should at least know that billions of people do. Please advance your points without reviling against Allah.. Thank you

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