IJOBA2:
WHO IS THIS PROPHET LIKE MOSES BRUH

alBHAGDADI:


Hello, read carefully. The verses are talking about different scenarios, otherwise the Bible won't have time to be repeating the same thing.

One case is clearly rape, while the other is consensual sex. Don't confuse the word Force for LAY HOLD. They are two different words with different meaning.

Use common sense.

masterP042:
This is one of the reason I don't like religious folks, sometimes you guys even lie to defend the bible.
Op how come you used the phrase "force her" in verse 25. But when u got to verse 28, you modified the same phrase to "lay hold on her" , modifying the grammar just to downplay the rape being treated in verse 28. It's sad that the bible gives a pat on the back punishment of 50 shekels of silver for a rapist that raped a young virgin, and even proposed that the afflicted girl should marry her abuser..

Sometimes this Bible make some of us not to use our common sense.. How does sex between two consenting adults result to them being stoned to death. You reason am
Let's use our head o, and think for ourselves, that Bible na human being like u write am, edit am and print am. Make u no dey take everything wey dem write for there hook, line and sinker.
Atuolu omalu omalu, mana atulo ofeke ofenye isi n'ohia

IJOBA2:
WHO IS THIS PROPHET LIKE MOSES BRUH

alBHAGDADI:

The number one trending topic in Nigeria today is rape, and it is due to the rape and murder of Uwaila Omozuwa, Barakat Bello and Shomuyiwa Azeezat.

This has led to calls from many who say the best way to prevent rape is to make castration the punishment. While this seems like a good idea, it is not what the law of God issues as punishment for rapists. Is the Bible silent on rape? No. The Bible protects victims and encourages them to speak up and not be shamed.

The Bible gave different scenarios which rape can be said to have occurred or not.

1.) Consensual sex but the lady is betrothed to someone else. Punishment is death for the lady and guy.

2.) Sex that is not consensual which is RAPE. Punishment is death for the guy, blamelessness for the lady.

3.) Consensual sex with a lady that is NOT betrothed to someone else. Punishment is marriage with no divorce.


The first involves the lady not crying out when she knew she could get help.

Deutoronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

The first instance can't be classified as rape because it happened in a place where the woman could have easily gotten help if she had cried. Her failure to do so shows she consented to the act. You must ask "why did God say they should be stoned to death if it was consensual?". They are to be stoned to death because the lady has been betrothed to another man and is considered is wife. So, guys be careful how you go about sleeping with people's fiancee. The judgement is death. Luckily for you, Nigeria doesn't regard God's laws. Sadly for you, God could kill you himself.

Deutoronomy 22:25-27
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

This second scenario is a clear sign of rape. The man finds her in the field where no one could hear the lady cry for help. The Bible says he forced her, which shows she didn't consent to it. This is rape and the Bible equates the sin to murder. The punishment is death, not castration. As for the lady, she won't face any punishment.


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This third case is consensual sex because they were found, not that she cried out for help. It is similar to a guy and a lady dating and having sex in secret to avoid the judgement of a sane society. If they are found, the man must married the lady whom he met a virgin. He must pay her bride price and must never divorce her. What if she wasn't a virgin? That case is fornication.

So, guys stays away from the bandwagon calling for the castration of rapists. That is against God's law which says rapists should be killed after thorough investigation is done.

Many who scream for castration of rapists are also guilty of death, for they cheat on their fiance, wife, husband which in God's eyes is punishable by death. That's being a hypocritical judge.

Matthew 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

One more thing.

Many today will say the clothes a lady wears have nothing to do with her getting raped. I can already sense a good sum of them already slamming me a rapists for what I'm about to say.

The truth is, everything we do has a consequence, whether we agree or not. When ladies are told to avoid dressing seductively, it is actually for their own protection. Dressing decently and avoiding getting caught in dark, lonely or dangerous places are ways to avoid rape. It is only a fool that will say clothes or dress code should never lead to rape. That is similar to saying there are no longer evil people in this world.

There are evil people who are demon possessed. They don't reason like the many sane guys who can control themselves. A little show of the thighs by a lady can trigger that demon in them towards rape. Guess what? It is not only demon possessed people that rape. Even guys who think they are sane do fall into temptation. So why as a lady do you go about tempting guys and expecting a different result?

Why don't go buy a 65 inch 4K Smart TV and put it at a junction like Oshodi in Lagos. Leave it there and see if you will meet it there the following morning. Guess what? It might not be stolen by confirmed thieves. It could be stolen by someone that has never stolen before but got tempted by the package. So, why do ladies think leaving themselves in the open doesn't have consequence? Oh, you want to live however you want with no consequence?

A bank with armed security guards and cyber security still gets robbed by cyber and armed robbers. Do you think it is only cyber and armed robbers that will rob a bank with its vault at its car park with no security? People that have never stolen before will join in when they see money flying in the air.

When people tell you to dress recently which the Bible also says, it is actually for your own good and others. Don't listen to those celebrities saying otherwise. They are part of the problem. Their business promotes indecency, so they are angry that people are speaking against indecency.

The diva singer who dances unclad in her movies and music videos goes home with millions and under the protection of bodyguards. The females that get influenced by her actions live in notorious neighborhoods where the guys wake up to smoke weed and drink adulterated alcohol which they did before going to bed under the bridge where they sleep. How safe do you think you will be walking pass that quite bridge at night especially when dressed seductively? You might be dressed like a masquerade and still get rape right there. That's why the Bible says to avoid fields i.e lonely places.

Give wisdom a chance and the foolishness that comes with emotions will flee.

alBHAGDADI:


Sorry bro, you are wrong.

Jesus paid for our sins so we will have eternal life and escape hell fire. He didn't pay for our sins so we can go out there and rape. Otherwise, what you are saying is that Jesus wants all Christians in jail because your point of view means they can all become lawbreakers because he died for their sins. Wrong.

Jesus didn't abolish the law but fulfilled it i.e he lived without breaking it. This doesn't mean he threw it away. How come you saw he didn't abolish it but still sound like you are saying he rendered it useless?

Now, not all sins are equal. Stop saying falsehood with boldness. One of the verses the OP quoted shows that there is a sin worthy of death and one not worthy of death.

Deutoronomy 22:26
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

If all sins are equal, why did Jesus tell Pilate that there is a greater sin?

John 19:11 KjV
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Please, stop spreading falsehood. Kindly allow the word of God to sink in.

Openbusiness:

Oga if you see my post, you will see that I crossed abolished. Crossed for a reason, yet I included it for a reason. Why? Because in fulfilling the Law of Moses, Jesus ABOLISHED it. And this means that the Laws of Moses are not in effect in the eyes of God anymore as the standard for judgment. If you like, when your neighbor rapes someone, go and stone him to death according to Moses laws you hear. Let's see if you won't end up in hell for murder, condemned for all eternity by the same Laws of Moses by which you have lived!

Openbusiness:

Oga if you see my post, you will see that I crossed abolished. Crossed for a reason, yet I included it for a reason. Why? Because in fulfilling the Law of Moses, Jesus ABOLISHED it. And this means that the Laws of Moses are not in effect in the eyes of God anymore as the standard for judgment. If you like, when your neighbor rapes someone, go and stone him to death according to Moses laws you hear. Let's see if you won't end up in hell for murder, condemned for all eternity by the same Laws of Moses by which you have lived!


That’s the Scriptures below, I didn't write it. Choose any translation you like!


Ephesians 2:15 ►

New International Version
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

New Living Translation
He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.

English Standard Version
by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

Berean Study Bible
by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace

Berean Literal Bible
having annulled in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances, so that He might create in Himself the two into one new man, making peace,

New American Standard Bible
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

New King James Version
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

King James Bible
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christian Standard Bible
he made of no effect the law consisting of commands and expressed in regulations, so that he might create in himself one new man from the two, resulting in peace.

Contemporary English Version
to destroy the Law of Moses with all its rules and commands. He even brought Jews and Gentiles together as though we were only one person, when he united us in peace.

Good News Translation
He abolished the Jewish Law with its commandments and rules, in order to create out of the two races one new people in union with himself, in this way making peace.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He made of no effect the law consisting of commands and expressed in regulations, so that He might create in Himself one new man from the two, resulting in peace.

International Standard Version
He rendered the Law inoperative, along with its commandments and regulations, thus creating in himself one new humanity from the two, thereby making peace,

NET Bible
when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace,

New Heart English Bible
having abolished in the flesh the hostility, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man of the two, making peace;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he has canceled the hatred by his flesh and the law of commands in his commandments, that for the two, he would create in his Person one new man, and he has made peace.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He brought an end to the commandments and demands found in Moses' Teachings so that he could take Jewish and non-Jewish people and create one new humanity in himself. So he made peace.

New American Standard 1977
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

King James 2000 Bible
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

American King James Version
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

American Standard Version
having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man,'so making peace;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Making void the law of commandments contained in decrees; that he might make the two in himself into one new man, making peace;

Darby Bible Translation
having annulled the enmity in his flesh, the law of commandments in ordinances, that he might form the two in himself into one new man, making peace;

English Revised Version
having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the twain one new man, so making peace;

Webster's Bible Translation
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances: to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

Weymouth New Testament
by setting aside the Law with its commandments, expressed, as they were, in definite decrees. His design was to unite the two sections of humanity in Himself so as to form one new man,

World English Bible
having abolished in the flesh the hostility, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man of the two, making peace;

Young's Literal Translation
the enmity in his flesh, the law of the commands in ordinances having done away, that the two he might create in himself into one new man, making peace,

AntiChristian:


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Malik related to me from Ibn Shihab that Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan gave a judgment that the rapist had to pay the raped woman her bride- price.
Yahya said that he heard Malik say, "What is done in our community about the man who rapes a woman, virgin or non-virgin, if she is free, is that he must pay the bride-price of the like of her. If she is a slave, he must pay what he has diminished of her worth. The hadd-punishment in such cases is applied to the rapist, and there is no punishment applied to the raped woman. If the rapist is a slave, that is against his master unless he wishes to surrender him." Muwatta Malik : Book 36, Hadith 1418

alBHAGDADI:


Dem Yapa.

Joshua, Isaiah, Elijah, etc.

HoliMaree:



What concerns Ismael descendants with Isaac's? God was speaking to Isaac's descendants through Moses or can you prove that God was speaking with Arabs? why will he promise a Muslim prophet through a Jew?

alBHAGDADI:

The number one trending topic in Nigeria today is rape, and it is due to the rape and murder of Uwaila Omozuwa, Barakat Bello and Shomuyiwa Azeezat.

This has led to calls from many who say the best way to prevent rape is to make castration the punishment. While this seems like a good idea, it is not what the law of God issues as punishment for rapists. Is the Bible silent on rape? No. The Bible protects victims and encourages them to speak up and not be shamed.

The Bible gave different scenarios which rape can be said to have occurred or not.

1.) Consensual sex but the lady is betrothed to someone else. Punishment is death for the lady and guy.

2.) Sex that is not consensual which is RAPE. Punishment is death for the guy, blamelessness for the lady.

3.) Consensual sex with a lady that is NOT betrothed to someone else. Punishment is marriage with no divorce.


The first involves the lady not crying out when she knew she could get help.

Deutoronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

The first instance can't be classified as rape because it happened in a place where the woman could have easily gotten help if she had cried. Her failure to do so shows she consented to the act. You must ask "why did God say they should be stoned to death if it was consensual?". They are to be stoned to death because the lady has been betrothed to another man and is considered is wife. So, guys be careful how you go about sleeping with people's fiancee. The judgement is death. Luckily for you, Nigeria doesn't regard God's laws. Sadly for you, God could kill you himself.

Deutoronomy 22:25-27
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

This second scenario is a clear sign of rape. The man finds her in the field where no one could hear the lady cry for help. The Bible says he forced her, which shows she didn't consent to it. This is rape and the Bible equates the sin to murder. The punishment is death, not castration. As for the lady, she won't face any punishment.


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This third case is consensual sex because they were found, not that she cried out for help. It is similar to a guy and a lady dating and having sex in secret to avoid the judgement of a sane society. If they are found, the man must married the lady whom he met a virgin. He must pay her bride price and must never divorce her. What if she wasn't a virgin? That case is fornication.

So, guys stays away from the bandwagon calling for the castration of rapists. That is against God's law which says rapists should be killed after thorough investigation is done.

Many who scream for castration of rapists are also guilty of death, for they cheat on their fiance, wife, husband which in God's eyes is punishable by death. That's being a hypocritical judge.

Matthew 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

One more thing.

Many today will say the clothes a lady wears have nothing to do with her getting raped. I can already sense a good sum of them already slamming me a rapists for what I'm about to say.

The truth is, everything we do has a consequence, whether we agree or not. When ladies are told to avoid dressing seductively, it is actually for their own protection. Dressing decently and avoiding getting caught in dark, lonely or dangerous places are ways to avoid rape. It is only a fool that will say clothes or dress code should never lead to rape. That is similar to saying there are no longer evil people in this world.

There are evil people who are demon possessed. They don't reason like the many sane guys who can control themselves. A little show of the thighs by a lady can trigger that demon in them towards rape. Guess what? It is not only demon possessed people that rape. Even guys who think they are sane do fall into temptation. So why as a lady do you go about tempting guys and expecting a different result?

Why don't go buy a 65 inch 4K Smart TV and put it at a junction like Oshodi in Lagos. Leave it there and see if you will meet it there the following morning. Guess what? It might not be stolen by confirmed thieves. It could be stolen by someone that has never stolen before but got tempted by the package. So, why do ladies think leaving themselves in the open doesn't have consequence? Oh, you want to live however you want with no consequence?

A bank with armed security guards and cyber security still gets robbed by cyber and armed robbers. Do you think it is only cyber and armed robbers that will rob a bank with its vault at its car park with no security? People that have never stolen before will join in when they see money flying in the air.

When people tell you to dress recently which the Bible also says, it is actually for your own good and others. Don't listen to those celebrities saying otherwise. They are part of the problem. Their business promotes indecency, so they are angry that people are speaking against indecency.

The diva singer who dances unclad in her movies and music videos goes home with millions and under the protection of bodyguards. The females that get influenced by her actions live in notorious neighborhoods where the guys wake up to smoke weed and drink adulterated alcohol which they did before going to bed under the bridge where they sleep. How safe do you think you will be walking pass that quite bridge at night especially when dressed seductively? You might be dressed like a masquerade and still get rape right there. That's why the Bible says to avoid fields i.e lonely places.

Give wisdom a chance and the foolishness that comes with emotions will flee.

alBHAGDADI:


Dem Yapa.

Joshua, Isaiah, Elijah, etc.

alBHAGDADI:

The number one trending topic in Nigeria today is rape, and it is due to the rape and murder of Uwaila Omozuwa, Barakat Bello and Shomuyiwa Azeezat.

This has led to calls from many who say the best way to prevent rape is to make castration the punishment. While this seems like a good idea, it is not what the law of God issues as punishment for rapists. Is the Bible silent on rape? No. The Bible protects victims and encourages them to speak up and not be shamed.

The Bible gave different scenarios which rape can be said to have occurred or not.

1.) Consensual sex but the lady is betrothed to someone else. Punishment is death for the lady and guy.

2.) Sex that is not consensual which is RAPE. Punishment is death for the guy, blamelessness for the lady.

3.) Consensual sex with a lady that is NOT betrothed to someone else. Punishment is marriage with no divorce.


The first involves the lady not crying out when she knew she could get help.

Deutoronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

The first instance can't be classified as rape because it happened in a place where the woman could have easily gotten help if she had cried. Her failure to do so shows she consented to the act. You must ask "why did God say they should be stoned to death if it was consensual?". They are to be stoned to death because the lady has been betrothed to another man and is considered is wife. So, guys be careful how you go about sleeping with people's fiancee. The judgement is death. Luckily for you, Nigeria doesn't regard God's laws. Sadly for you, God could kill you himself.

Deutoronomy 22:25-27
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

This second scenario is a clear sign of rape. The man finds her in the field where no one could hear the lady cry for help. The Bible says he forced her, which shows she didn't consent to it. This is rape and the Bible equates the sin to murder. The punishment is death, not castration. As for the lady, she won't face any punishment.


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This third case is consensual sex because they were found, not that she cried out for help. It is similar to a guy and a lady dating and having sex in secret to avoid the judgement of a sane society. If they are found, the man must married the lady whom he met a virgin. He must pay her bride price and must never divorce her. What if she wasn't a virgin? That case is fornication.

So, guys stays away from the bandwagon calling for the castration of rapists. That is against God's law which says rapists should be killed after thorough investigation is done.

Many who scream for castration of rapists are also guilty of death, for they cheat on their fiance, wife, husband which in God's eyes is punishable by death. That's being a hypocritical judge.

Matthew 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

One more thing.

Many today will say the clothes a lady wears have nothing to do with her getting raped. I can already sense a good sum of them already slamming me a rapists for what I'm about to say.

The truth is, everything we do has a consequence, whether we agree or not. When ladies are told to avoid dressing seductively, it is actually for their own protection. Dressing decently and avoiding getting caught in dark, lonely or dangerous places are ways to avoid rape. It is only a fool that will say clothes or dress code should never lead to rape. That is similar to saying there are no longer evil people in this world.

There are evil people who are demon possessed. They don't reason like the many sane guys who can control themselves. A little show of the thighs by a lady can trigger that demon in them towards rape. Guess what? It is not only demon possessed people that rape. Even guys who think they are sane do fall into temptation. So why as a lady do you go about tempting guys and expecting a different result?

Why don't go buy a 65 inch 4K Smart TV and put it at a junction like Oshodi in Lagos. Leave it there and see if you will meet it there the following morning. Guess what? It might not be stolen by confirmed thieves. It could be stolen by someone that has never stolen before but got tempted by the package. So, why do ladies think leaving themselves in the open doesn't have consequence? Oh, you want to live however you want with no consequence?

A bank with armed security guards and cyber security still gets robbed by cyber and armed robbers. Do you think it is only cyber and armed robbers that will rob a bank with its vault at its car park with no security? People that have never stolen before will join in when they see money flying in the air.

When people tell you to dress recently which the Bible also says, it is actually for your own good and others. Don't listen to those celebrities saying otherwise. They are part of the problem. Their business promotes indecency, so they are angry that people are speaking against indecency.

The diva singer who dances unclad in her movies and music videos goes home with millions and under the protection of bodyguards. The females that get influenced by her actions live in notorious neighborhoods where the guys wake up to smoke weed and drink adulterated alcohol which they did before going to bed under the bridge where they sleep. How safe do you think you will be walking pass that quite bridge at night especially when dressed seductively? You might be dressed like a masquerade and still get rape right there. That's why the Bible says to avoid fields i.e lonely places.

Give wisdom a chance and the foolishness that comes with emotions will flee.

kennyflames:

Sorry that wasn't what i meant
Jesus came to fufil the law but there were some particular laws of Moses jesus amended like "Tit for Tat' Law

alBHAGDADI:


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her , he may not put her away all his days.

This third case is consensual sex because they were found, not that she cried out for help. It is similar to a guy and a lady dating and having sex in secret to avoid the judgement of a sane society. If they are found, the man must married the lady whom he met a virgin. He must pay her bride price and must never divorce her. What if she wasn't a virgin? That case is fornication.

masterP042:
This is one of the reason I don't like religious folks, sometimes you guys even lie to defend the bible.
Op how come you used the phrase "force her" in verse 25. But when u got to verse 28, you modified the same phrase to "lay hold on her" , modifying the grammar just to downplay the rape being treated in verse 28. It's sad that the bible gives a pat on the back punishment of 50 shekels of silver for a rapist that raped a young virgin, and even proposed that the afflicted girl should marry her abuser..

Sometimes this Bible make some of us not to use our common sense.. How does sex between two consenting adults result to them being stoned to death. You reason am
Let's use our head o, and think for ourselves, that Bible na human being like u write am, edit am and print am. Make u no dey take everything wey dem write for there hook, line and sinker.
Atuolu omalu omalu, mana atulo ofeke ofenye isi n'ohia

alBHAGDADI:

The number one trending topic in Nigeria today is rape, and it is due to the rape and murder of Uwaila Omozuwa, Barakat Bello and Shomuyiwa Azeezat.

This has led to calls from many who say the best way to prevent rape is to make castration the punishment. While this seems like a good idea, it is not what the law of God issues as punishment for rapists. Is the Bible silent on rape? No. The Bible protects victims and encourages them to speak up and not be shamed.

The Bible gave different scenarios which rape can be said to have occurred or not.

1.) Consensual sex but the lady is betrothed to someone else. Punishment is death for the lady and guy.

2.) Sex that is not consensual which is RAPE. Punishment is death for the guy, blamelessness for the lady.

3.) Consensual sex with a lady that is NOT betrothed to someone else. Punishment is marriage with no divorce.


The first involves the lady not crying out when she knew she could get help.

Deutoronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

The first instance can't be classified as rape because it happened in a place where the woman could have easily gotten help if she had cried. Her failure to do so shows she consented to the act. You must ask "why did God say they should be stoned to death if it was consensual?". They are to be stoned to death because the lady has been betrothed to another man and is considered is wife. So, guys be careful how you go about sleeping with people's fiancee. The judgement is death. Luckily for you, Nigeria doesn't regard God's laws. Sadly for you, God could kill you himself.

Deutoronomy 22:25-27
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

This second scenario is a clear sign of rape. The man finds her in the field where no one could hear the lady cry for help. The Bible says he forced her, which shows she didn't consent to it. This is rape and the Bible equates the sin to murder. The punishment is death, not castration. As for the lady, she won't face any punishment.


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This third case is consensual sex because they were found, not that she cried out for help. It is similar to a guy and a lady dating and having sex in secret to avoid the judgement of a sane society. If they are found, the man must married the lady whom he met a virgin. He must pay her bride price and must never divorce her. What if she wasn't a virgin? That case is fornication.

So, guys stays away from the bandwagon calling for the castration of rapists. That is against God's law which says rapists should be killed after thorough investigation is done.

Many who scream for castration of rapists are also guilty of death, for they cheat on their fiance, wife, husband which in God's eyes is punishable by death. That's being a hypocritical judge.

Matthew 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

One more thing.

Many today will say the clothes a lady wears have nothing to do with her getting raped. I can already sense a good sum of them already slamming me a rapists for what I'm about to say.

The truth is, everything we do has a consequence, whether we agree or not. When ladies are told to avoid dressing seductively, it is actually for their own protection. Dressing decently and avoiding getting caught in dark, lonely or dangerous places are ways to avoid rape. It is only a fool that will say clothes or dress code should never lead to rape. That is similar to saying there are no longer evil people in this world.

There are evil people who are demon possessed. They don't reason like the many sane guys who can control themselves. A little show of the thighs by a lady can trigger that demon in them towards rape. Guess what? It is not only demon possessed people that rape. Even guys who think they are sane do fall into temptation. So why as a lady do you go about tempting guys and expecting a different result?

Why don't go buy a 65 inch 4K Smart TV and put it at a junction like Oshodi in Lagos. Leave it there and see if you will meet it there the following morning. Guess what? It might not be stolen by confirmed thieves. It could be stolen by someone that has never stolen before but got tempted by the package. So, why do ladies think leaving themselves in the open doesn't have consequence? Oh, you want to live however you want with no consequence?

A bank with armed security guards and cyber security still gets robbed by cyber and armed robbers. Do you think it is only cyber and armed robbers that will rob a bank with its vault at its car park with no security? People that have never stolen before will join in when they see money flying in the air.

When people tell you to dress recently which the Bible also says, it is actually for your own good and others. Don't listen to those celebrities saying otherwise. They are part of the problem. Their business promotes indecency, so they are angry that people are speaking against indecency.

The diva singer who dances unclad in her movies and music videos goes home with millions and under the protection of bodyguards. The females that get influenced by her actions live in notorious neighborhoods where the guys wake up to smoke weed and drink adulterated alcohol which they did before going to bed under the bridge where they sleep. How safe do you think you will be walking pass that quite bridge at night especially when dressed seductively? You might be dressed like a masquerade and still get rape right there. That's why the Bible says to avoid fields i.e lonely places.

Give wisdom a chance and the foolishness that comes with emotions will flee.

masterP042:



Let's use our head o, and think for ourselves, that Bible na human being like u write am, edit am and print am. Make u no dey take everything wey dem write for there hook, line and sinker.
Atuolu omalu omalu, mana atulo ofeke ofenye isi n'ohia

masterP042:

I don't have time to argue with you cos you're just trying to justify stone age terrible laws.
You and I know that death is a huge punishment for adultery no matter how you may want to justify it. I rest my case. Thank you

IJOBA2:
CHRIST DID NOT AMMEND ANYTHING. NO MORTAL CAN CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD.

abmarine:


The Bible was not written by a carnal man like you who always believed his existence on earth is by his actions, efforts and strength but rather it was written by the inspiration of God.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
*2 Timothy 3:16‭-‬17 KJV*

masterP042:
This is one of the reason I don't like religious folks, sometimes you guys even lie to defend the bible.
Op how come you used the phrase "force her" in verse 25. But when u got to verse 28, you modified the same phrase to "lay hold on her" , modifying the grammar just to downplay the rape being treated in verse 28. It's sad that the bible gives a pat on the back punishment of 50 shekels of silver for a rapist that raped a young virgin, and even proposed that the afflicted girl should marry her abuser..

Sometimes this Bible make some of us not to use our common sense.. How does sex between two consenting adults result to them being stoned to death. You reason am
Let's use our head o, and think for ourselves, that Bible na human being like u write am, edit am and print am. Make u no dey take everything wey dem write for there hook, line and sinker.
Atuolu omalu omalu, mana atulo ofeke ofenye isi n'ohia

gaskiyamagana:

But why the following are atteched with some Bible names?
New Version
Standard Version
Revised Version
I mean what is old of a Bible that another Bible come with new?
What defect of a Bible that neccesitate another with standard?
What is wrong with a Bible that brings about 'revise' which can not be accomplished without addition and subtraction?

HoliMaree:



What concerns Ismael descendants with Isaac's? God was speaking to Isaac's descendants through Moses or can you prove that God was speaking with Arabs? why will he promise a Muslim prophet through a Jew?

KingRollins01:
Atheist like u will try so hard to twist the truth to deceive the guillible just to justify your deminic claim. The OP was clear in his write up. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall
give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
This third case is consensual sex becaus they were found, not that she cried out for help.

IJOBA2:
IM HERE TO LEARN AS WELL

SmartyPants:


Friend, that is obviously the wrong interpretation of that scripture.

Lay hold in English always implies the application of force. There is absolutely no mention of any consent.

To lay hold is literally to place a strong grip. This verse is talking about rape and it is obvious, for how could a man humble a woman with whom he had consensual sex?

Be guided sir.

alBHAGDADI:


The truth is, everything we do has a consequence, whether we agree or not. When ladies are told to avoid dressing seductively, it is actually for their own protection. Dressing decently and avoiding getting caught in dark, lonely or dangerous places are ways to avoid rape. It is only a fool that will say clothes or dress code should never lead to rape. That is similar to saying there are no longer evil people in this world.

There are evil people who are demon possessed. They don't reason like the many sane guys who can control themselves. A little show of the thighs by a lady can trigger that demon in them towards rape. Guess what? It is not only demon possessed people that rape. Even guys who think they are sane do fall into temptation. So why as a lady do you go about tempting guys and expecting a different result?

Why don't go buy a 65 inch 4K Smart TV and put it at a junction like Oshodi in Lagos. Leave it there and see if you will meet it there the following morning. Guess what? It might not be stolen by confirmed thieves. It could be stolen by someone that has never stolen before but got tempted by the package. So, why do ladies think leaving themselves in the open doesn't have consequence? Oh, you want to live however you want with no consequence?

A bank with armed security guards and cyber security still gets robbed by cyber and armed robbers. Do you think it is only cyber and armed robbers that will rob a bank with its vault at its car park with no security? People that have never stolen before will join in when they see money flying in the air.

When people tell you to dress recently which the Bible also says, it is actually for your own good and others. Don't listen to those celebrities saying otherwise. They are part of the problem. Their business promotes indecency, so they are angry that people are speaking against indecency.

The diva singer who dances unclad in her movies and music videos goes home with millions and under the protection of bodyguards. The females that get influenced by her actions live in notorious neighborhoods where the guys wake up to smoke weed and drink adulterated alcohol which they did before going to bed under the bridge where they sleep. How safe do you think you will be walking pass that quite bridge at night especially when dressed seductively? You might be dressed like a masquerade and still get rape right there. That's why the Bible says to avoid fields .