The problem stems from YOU accepting that this is a valid description or portrayal of God in the first place.

This person or entity being described by the Jewish bible is NOT God. At most, it's a Jewish tribal deity (Yahweh).

That is the answer to your question.

The idea that the Creator of the universes spoke to any of those Jews or prophets or whatever you wish to call them is ludicrous.

Jen33:

The problem stems from YOU accepting that this is a valid description or portrayal of God in the first place.

This person or entity being described by the Jewish bible is NOT God.

At most, it's a Jewish tribal deity (Yahweh).

That is the answer to your question.

The idea that the Creator of the universes spoke to any of those Jews or prophets or whatever you wish to call them is ludicrous.

A problem? The basis of this thread is derived from the Bible, which to me is the best gift to mankind. Your dilemma is that you think it is just a book imposed on humans for reasons best known to you. That is your problem.

Jewish bible? Person? Entity? Now I know what I am dealing with. Like one of my fellow NL brethen said "I am dealing with a mindset"
Anyway let me educate you on the GOD I am talking about; I am talking about my sole provider, the creator of Heaven and Earth, the source of all prosperity and achievement, the Sovereign Judge, the Lord of Heaven's Armies, The El shaddai, The Elohim, The Adonai, The Elyon, The I AM THAT I AM and yes of course "YAHWEH"

harakiri:

He's a jealous god coz he don't get laid that much. That figures.

Why isn't it on your list of names up there?

yommyuk:

Olorun aiye ati orun, Oba awon oba, Eledumare, Oba Alagbara, Olorun Israel, Olorun Abraham, Olorun Isaac, Olorun Jacob. and many moorrreeee

Still managed to put Jewish names in it. What a joke!

It's really sad to see what these Oyibos have done to Africans.

Why not tell us, Jen33, about the god that you know is the true God or whether you don't believe in God at all? Introduce 'your' God that is not the 'jewish deity' to us or your creator if you have do not believe in God!

Jen33:

seyibrown said:

The Creator cannot possibly be a Jewish deity or Jewish god. Neither can He have a group of ''chosen people'', such as the Jews, or anyone else. Your imported Jewish religion teaches you that the Creator is parochial, moody, jealous, gets angry, regrets his actions, orders massacres, ra-pe, and looting, loves the smell of burning flesh, and has a furnace prepared for roasting alive ''forever'' billions of people who ''refused to worship him''.

It's all there in that thing you call your ''holy'' book.

Your religion misrepresents and makes a caricature of the Creator by falsely attributing to him qualities of debased entities.

ALL traditional pre-christian and non-christian religions and philosophies regard the Creator as NOTHING like what is represented in the Jewish bible.

The Creator is known to be Aloof. He does NOT require ''worship''. He does not ''punish'' anyone or send people to ''hell''. He has no specially ''chosen people''. We are already imbued with the knowledge of good and evil. As souls emanating from this Source, We are BORN with that knowledge. We are here temporarily as ''humans'' to use that knowledge for good or for ill, and return back to the spirit world, our true home. We are ALL saved. Always have been and always will be. Nobody is obliged to ''follow Christ'', or to be ''born again'', or even to be religious, to transit to the next life.

The Source of all life, manifested as a single intelligent entity has NEVER interacted with any human in this world in a manner that is even remotely verifiable, and has NOT ''inspired'' any men to write ''holy books'', any more than He ''inspired'' me to type this post.

ALL CLAIMS made to that effect ARE BASELESS and WITHOUT FOUNDATION.

OLAADEGBU:

Experiential Faith

"And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." -- John 17:3

Our faith isn't intellectual; it is experiential.  We don't know about God, we know Him.  At the University of Chicago Divinity School, each year they have what is called "Baptist Day."  It is a day when the school invites all the Baptists in the area to the school because they want the Baptist dollars to keep coming in. 

On this day each one is to bring a lunch to be eaten outdoors in a grassy picnic area.  Every "Baptist Day" the school would invite one of the greatest minds to lecture in the theological education centre.  One year they invited Dr. Paul Tillich.  Dr. Tillich spoke for two and a half hours proving that the resurrection of Jesus was false.  He quoted scholar after scholar and book after book.  He concluded that since there was no such thing as the historical resurrection, the religion tradition of the Church was groundless, emotional mumbo jumbo, because it was based on a relationship with a risen Jesus, who, in fact, never rose from the dead in any literal sense.  He then asked if there were any questions.

After about 30 seconds, an old preacher with a head of short-cropped, woolly white hair stood up in the back of the audience.  "Docta Tillich, I got one question," he said as all eyes turned toward him.  He reached into his lunch sack and pulled out an apple and began eating it.  "Docta Tillich (CRUNCH MUNCH), my question is a simple one (CRUNCH MUNCH).  Now, I ain't never read them books you read (CRUNCH MUNCH), and I can't recite the Scriptures in the original Greek (CRUNCH MUNCH).  I don't know nothin' about Niebuhr and Heidegger (CRUNCH MUNCH).  He finished the apple.  "All I wanna know is: This apple I just ate -- was it bitter or sweet?"

Dr. Tillich paused for a moment and answered in exemplary scholarly fashion: "I cannot possibly answer that question, for I haven't tasted your apple."  The white-haired preacher dropped the apple core into his crumpled paper bag, looked up at Dr. Tillich and said calmly, "Neither have you tasted my Jesus."

The 1,000-plus in attendance could not contain themselves.  The auditorium erupted with applause and cheers.  Dr. Tillich thanked his audience and promptly left the platform.

"Taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusts in him" (Psalm 34:. 

It has been well said, "The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument."

Given your representation above, allow me to say then that YOUR CLAIMS of what GOD CANNOT POSSIBLY DO ARE BASELESS AND WITHOUT FOUNDATION.   . . . . and you still forgot to introduce me to this YOUR 'ALOOF, COULDN'T CARE LESS' GOD AND/OR CREATOR! You already know that I worship the God you call a Jewish deity WHO IS FOR HIS PEOPLE/CREATION! Tell me more about this your God/creator who doesn't give a hoot about you, what you do, what you don't do and what is done to you  . . . . but then there would be know point associating with him 'cos he doesn't want/require a relationship with you 'cos he is just like a mother who abandons her children completely after giving birth to them!

Jen33:

seyibrown said


You don't understand who we are or why we are here. That's your first problem. We really are powerful immortal spirits, who are only experiencing a brief ''life'' as physical ''human beings'' through our own initial volition and choice as spirit entities or souls.

We are not our bodies. Our bodies are vehicles that we, as souls need to interract effectively with this dimension or plane of existence. Life exists on a great many dimensions, many even sharing our own space.

''Heaven'' is one of those dimensions or vibrational fields. In fact there are said to be MANY ''heavens''. We transit to ''heaven'' when our bodies expire or ''die''. The less emotional baggage and guilt we carry, the quicker the transition. There is nothing any human needs to be afraid of because this is just an experience, a game in fact, seen from the perspective of ultimate reality, to which we belong.

Now, against this background, WHY do you need to have a God who dictates everything in your human life? He doesn't dictate to souls in the spirit world, so why would he in the physical?

We really are FREE to do as we wish. We are FREE to build our own civilizations, our own moral codes, our own ways of doing things. Sure we can call on God for ''protection'' and ''help'' as humans - but if we do get this help and protection from 'above', it is more likely emanating from our spirit guides (chi), or even from departed relatives!

Far from being ''dead'', they are very much ALIVE in the ''spirit world'', and they have the power to project their thoughts to your benefit.

Like us, they are all aspects of ''God'', so  there's far more to ''God'' than just a single entity sitting on some ''throne''. WE OURSELVES are aspects of God.

God is really a Single Conciousness that has divided itself into billions of units of consciousness we call souls. Some of those units operate under the ILLUSION of ''separateness'' or ''individuality''. The greater the ILLUSION the more ''evil'' is created by the perceiver. The less the ILLUSION the more ''good'' is created. Good and evil are simply the two extremes of knowledge and ignorance.

God does not punish you for ignorance. God in fact created the conditions for that ignorance among some souls. Why then would he ''punish'' them, in a ''burning furnace'' no less? Why would God destroy Himself?? Is God at war with Himself? God is basically experiencing life via each and every one of us, his ''creation''.

Your neighbour is GOD made manifest in a single conscious unit that is at once a part of the whole, AND the whole. If you're searching for God, you need look no further than your own self and all expressions of life around you this very moment. (The kingdom of God is within you)

Against this background of knowledge, you lose the need to look up to a God to ''protect you''. Because YOU are an aspect of God, you can actually protect yourself and your loved ones using the power of thought and belief. Why do you think some people can go through an operation without anasthesia?

Some people can walk on a bed of fire and not a single part of their body gets burnt. These feats are not ''miracles'', nor are they of ''the devil''. They are executed by people who have been trained to project their thought. Thought creates reality. God has ALREADY made you powerful enough to confront anything the earth has to offer. You only need to grasp that power. This of course can be achieved using the medium of religion or any other medium, such as meditation. It is not the vehicle used, or the name given to it that counts. It is the BELIEF and the actual effort made to reach out to Infinite Consciousness, using the power of Thought and Belief, that gets results.

All religions are valid. None are ''accurate'' or ''perfect''. All have the capacity to connect to Infinite Consciousness.

If you worshiped a log of wood and BELIEVED it was ''God'', THAT LOG OF WOOD will BECOME your God, and SERVE YOU.

God does not mind this because THAT LOG OF WOOD is an ASPECT of God!

That log of wood is every bit as much ''the son of God'' as is Jesus (assuming he actually existed).

Everything IS.

If you created an ant, and the ant decided to worship your nails, or your fingers, would you get angry and ''punish'' the ant? Torture it forever in hellfire? Make it scream in agony for eternity?

That would be absolutely crazy!

The ant is worshipping the part of YOU that it can identify easily with its limited senses.

Thus the entire basis for the exclusivity clause in modern religions like christianity and islam is false.

The idea that there is only ''one valid religion'', is false, and designed to control and dominate the thoughts of followers, and to divide human beings one from the other, for the material benefit of a few.

You don't understand who we are or why we are here. That's your first problem. We really are powerful immortal spirits, who are only experiencing a brief ''life'' as physical ''human beings'' through our own initial volition and choice as spirit entities or souls.

We really are FREE to do as we wish. We are FREE to build our own civilizations, our own moral codes, our own ways of doing things. Sure we can call on God for ''protection'' and ''help'' as humans - but if we do get this help and protection from 'above', it is more likely emanating from our spirit guides (chi), or even from departed relatives!

How much help does the 'departed spirit' of a murderer/despoiler executed by the state for his crimes give to the family/relatives he shamed with his behaviour while on earth? Does he/she protect them from murderers/rapists like him or her?

and why, seeing as your God does not really care that his creation murder one other?

If our spirit guides/departed relatives are aspects of God and God does not interact with his creation, how exactly do these 'aspects' of your 'stand aloof and do nothing God' help/interact with God's creation?

How can man be accountable to the state but not accountable to the Creator of the creators of the state?

(Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven). It is not for us to look ''up there'' to GOD. It is God that has placed US here and who ''looks up to us'' to bring heaven to earth. Bring the Unconditional Love and knowledge that reigns in heaven, to earth.

Now, against this background, WHY do you need to have a God who dictates everything in your human life? He doesn't dictate to souls in the spirit world, so why would he in the physical?

We really are FREE to do as we wish. We are FREE to build our own civilizations, our own moral codes, our own ways of doing things.

All religions are valid. None are ''accurate'' or ''perfect''. All have the capacity to connect to Infinite Consciousness.

Even our NL 'Holy Coconut'?    . . . . . some people worship Dildos, too!

Jen33, Your view of God is not the CHRISTian view and if you ACTUALLY do believe what you preach that every religion is valid, then you HOLD THE VIEW that Christianity is one of the many ways to God and you are being ignorant or mischievous in challenging Christian beliefs as inaccurate or misleading! The CHRISTian view is that CHRIST IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, not mixed ideologies (which seems to me like what you hold) or the other 'religions'!

As aspects of God, we are meant to be accountable to ourselves.

Jen33. How come the 'stand aloof God's will should now be done on earth?

Jen33, Your view of God is not the CHRISTian view

and if you ACTUALLY do believe what you preach that every religion is valid, then you HOLD THE VIEW that Christianity is one of the many ways to God and you are being ignorant or mischievous in challenging Christian beliefs as inaccurate or misleading!