T9ksy:

Your cousin is a settler in Lagos just as the efik man is also a settler in your village.

If, in the future, there's a disagreement between Lagos and your cousin's village, am sure your cousin will not side with Lagos to kill and maim his relatives in your village. will he, now? Despite the fact that your cousin speak the indigenous lang., dressed like them and have adopted some of their mannerism & culture.


@ poster,

regardless of how long you igbos reside in Lagos and how much property and businesses you own in the state, you will foreever remain settlers in Lagos.

eku_bear:

What is so difficult to understand here?

If your ancestors lived in a land (say) 100 or 200 years ago, then they are indigenous to that land, and so are you.

Otherwise, you are not.

Isn't anything complicated.

eku_bear:

What is so difficult to understand here?

If your ancestors lived in a land (say) 100 or 200 years ago, then they are indigenous to that land, and so are you.

Otherwise, you are not. But it is certainly possible for the existing indigenes to accept you as one of them with less stringent requirements. They are under no obligation to do this, though.

Abagworo:

The Efik guy is an indigine but in Nigerian context a lot of factors come into play.The mistake made by a lot of people lies in the belief that abolishing it will favour Igbos.The poster above is a typical example.

T9ksy:

Your cousin is a settler in Lagos just as the efik man is also a settler in your village.

If, in the future, there's a disagreement between Lagos and your cousin's village, am sure your cousin will not side with Lagos to kill and maim his relatives in your village. will he, now? Despite the fact that your cousin speak the indigenous lang., dressed like them and have adopted some of their mannerism & culture.


@ poster,

regardless of how long you igbos reside in Lagos and how much property and businesses you own in the state, you will foreever remain settlers in Lagos.

oyb:

as an american, you are on a slippery slope,

the indigenes of america are the red indians

everyone else is just an usurper

some people saw iraq type parallels in avatar - all i saw was dances with wolves to the nth power, contempt for the indigenes.

just passing by

asha 80:

the problem with you is that you see everything from a tribalistic view.who is talking about igbos and lagos now?why not talk about hausas and jos?na wa for some minds.

if you are so much pained about igbos properties and lagos why not go buy a rope?

Tsiya:

The issue of settler and indigene is a constitutional crises that need to be addressed. It limits internal migration within the Nigerian state which has been happening for centuries until recently.


The case of Jos is a complex issue. 70 - 80 years ago. Jos was mining village; and as a result of the economic activities going on their, the village grew organically. This is the reason why there is large population of Hausa in Jos.

Personally, in the context of human kind, everybody is a settler. The first settler should welcome the second settler and give him equal opportunity to contribute and defend the land and the society.

This how they do it in more advance societies and prior to colonization of Nigeria. Today we can find Nigerians as far away as Poland living as citizens and having the right to contest and win election.

In the Nigerian context, it is more of a political tool than genuine nationalism.

Tsiya:

The issue of settler and indigene is a constitutional crises that need to be addressed. It limits internal migration within the Nigerian state which has been happening for centuries until recently.


The case of Jos is a complex issue. 70 - 80 years ago. Jos was mining village; and as a result of the economic activities going on their, the village grew organically. This is the reason why there is large population of Hausa in Jos.

Personally, in the context of human kind, everybody is a settler. The first settler should welcome the second settler and give him equal opportunity to contribute and defend the land and the society. This how they do it in more advance societies and prior to colonization of Nigeria. Today we can find Nigerians as far away as Poland living as citizens and having the right to contest and win election.

In the Nigerian context, it is more of a political tool than genuine nationalism.

T9ksy:

@ bolded, will the second settler defend the land and society if attacked by members of his/her ethnic group?
This is where the conundrum lies.
Will the hausas in Jos fight alongside the beroms  against the hausa/fulanis invading the city?
Will (3rd generation) igbos fight alongside lagosians when the city is attacked by igbos from enugu?

Oh btw, what's your idea of "genuine nationalism" as in the nigerian context?
What a load of tripe!

T9ksy:

@ bolded, will the second settler defend the land and society if attacked by members of his/her ethnic group?
This is where the conundrum lies.
Will the hausas in Jos fight alongside the beroms  against the hausa/fulanis invading the city?
Will (3rd generation) igbos fight alongside lagosians when the city is attacked by igbos from enugu?

Oh btw, what's your idea of "genuine nationalism" as in the nigerian context?
What a load of tripe!

Tsiya:

Why should hausa/fulani invades Jos? The crises in Jos is not about Hausa/Fulani invading Jos, it is between the Hausa/Fulani settled in Jos for decades and who contributed to the economic development of the State with the Natives of the areas. Why won't 3rd generation igbos fight along Lagosians if they are considered Lagosians and given equal right and opportunity to contribute to both the development and defence of the city. When people are living among you and you still consider them migrants after 2nd, 3rd, generation, they will begin to think that and will not owe allegiance to the state. The first constituency of every man is where his source of survival lies, and in most cases is where his business and food comes from.

Genuine nationalism is understanding what is good for the state, contributing to the state and protecting the interest of the state. It is a known fact that no society.culture can survive in isolation. There must be interraction with other people. But you have to give these people rights and sense of belonging. What is happening in Jos is harassment of other ethnic groups for political and economic gains.

The post above me is just silly to say the least. You don't have to assimilate into any language to be accepted as part of the community. Do you know that there's a difference between lagos culture and yoruba culture? Go and tell americans that they have to start changing their names to Indian names to be accepted.

afam4eva:

WOW. Why do i just love your post.

It's just like African Americans figting the American state because they want to invade  Africa. The truth be told. Most African Americans don't give an F about africa. They only care about the country where there livelihood comes from which America.

KnowAll:

[size12pt]The only way settlers can be accepted as indigenes is by way of assimilation into the host community. It would be foolhardy and de-sensitizing for a group who have settled in a new land to continue practicing ways of life and cultures that are alien to the locals. Firstly by sticking to your tradition and way of life u would not only stick-out like a sore thumb in the host community, but in times of hard-ship and other anti-social asunder these rather peculiar group of people would be targeted and picked upon as a/the group that should be punished for societies' inadequacies  and downfall.

By Assimilating Igbo indigenes that have settled in Lagos would have names like

Olakunle Okechukwu, olafemi Emaka, and of course well known Rotimi Amechi - Names like that gives the settlers the an assurance knowing that this lady/Gentleman although with a somewhat foreign sounding name is as good a lagosian as a Dosumu or Kosoko,  the Igbo sounding surname points to the person's heritage but the Yoruba first name put credance and validity  to the fact this person is a Lagosian whose parents have settled in Lagos a long time and this individual would actually feel at home amongst Yorubas in the SW than amongst his father's kith's and kin  from the SE.

This phenomena is common in America where immigrants into the so called new world  adopt Anglo-American first name, like Jack Monta[/b]na, the name Montana gives a not too discerning person that vague idea that this individual is an "Italian or Latin American" this wild guess cannot be further from the truth.

[b]The Hausas in Jos by now after settling in Jos for over 100 years,  should have adopted the Christian faith of the Beroms and not hold stubbornly to their old religion, how can the Beroms trust them when they still believe in " Mohammedism" and Jihadism.

The Tapa's in Lagos Island are fully integrated into that society because they have not only jettison their islamic first names but they have deliberately chosen for themselves  Yoruba first names in other to blend with the locals. " Demola Seriki" is a good example.

A name like "Ugochuckwu Opkara" would not hold it in Lagos but a name like Olusegun Opkpara gives the individual a duplicity that implies he has antecedents in both Yorubaland and Igboland and can exploit his/her new world to the best of his/her advantage.[/size]

KnowAll:


The dominant culture in America is the Anglo/English culture no wonder 85% or 90% of Americans have an Anglo/English first name. There is no difference b/w Yoruba culture & Lagos Culture, this is not an Igbo/Ikwerre thing. Yorubas are one even the ones across the border in Rep of Benin are all one.

Tsiya:

The issue of settler and indigene is a constitutional crises that need to be addressed. It limits internal migration within the Nigerian state which has been happening for centuries until recently.


The case of Jos is a complex issue. 70 - 80 years ago. Jos was mining village; and as a result of the economic activities going on their, the village grew organically. This is the reason why there is large population of Hausa in Jos.

Personally, in the context of human kind, everybody is a settler. The first settler should welcome the second settler and give him equal opportunity to contribute and defend the land and the society.

This how they do it in more advance societies and prior to colonization of Nigeria. Today we can find Nigerians as far away as Poland living as citizens and having the right to contest and win election.

In the Nigerian context, it is more of a political tool than genuine nationalism.

Tsiya:

Why should hausa/fulani invades Jos? The crises in Jos is not about Hausa/Fulani invading Jos, it is between the Hausa/Fulani settled in Jos for decades and who contributed to the economic development of the State with the Natives of the areas. Why won't 3rd generation igbos fight along Lagosians if they are considered Lagosians and given equal right and opportunity to contribute to both the development and defence of the city. When people are living among you and you still consider them migrants after 2nd, 3rd, generation, they will begin to think that and will not owe allegiance to the state. The first constituency of every man is where his source of survival lies, and in most cases is where his business and food comes from.

Genuine nationalism is understanding what is good for the state, contributing to the state and protecting the interest of the state. It is a known fact that no society.culture can survive in isolation. There must be interraction with other people. But you have to give these people rights and sense of belonging. What is happening in Jos is harassment of other ethnic groups for political and economic gains.

alj harem:

sorry but your post is very irritating

and you make no sense here, have you been to jos ?

have you been to the north, i mean core north ?

please do not displace your ignorance here, ok

Tsiya:

Im from the north. I was born and grew up in the North. I studied in the North and I live in the North. I speak the language.

What do you know about the north?

alj harem:

sorry for approaching like that, so u my fellow northern brother

now i know what the beroms are fighting for

they are fighting to govern themselves

it might seem like it is indigene settlers thing but the beroms just fell treaten

it is just like have hausa governor in borno, that is not fair

what do you think

Tsiya:

Wat are u saying? The hausa are governing the Beroms?

The Plateau doesn't belong to the Beroms alone. It belongs to everybody!!!

And I think now doesn't mater!! It is what the Plateau state leadership thinks matter.

9ja voice:

As for Mallam ALJ harem, lets all try as much as we can to avoid this man, he is been paid to stay here online and make sure their is no unity between igbos and yoruba's.  

He  has many user name to insult yoruba's and user names to insult igbo's.  He always come along whenever there is tribal discussion to see if southeren unity is at sight or not .  

He is been paid by one alhaji in their home town of Borno state because he schooled in eastern nigeria and work in yoruba land so he can understand the two languages, pls watch out for this man everywhere online.    

He claim to be half igbo but watch out any igbo discussion he must be against igbo's. The point is that he is not smart because of the hausa man in him,otherwise he could have know better when to counter and when to support.   Alj Harem we know you very well just take off the mask.  So many hausa/fulani's is here doing the same job we know but one thing is certain "hausa/fulani's time in nigeria dominance is over" i think its yoruba"s time to dominate

Yes mr.Knowall Can you tell us what happens with Mr.Barak husein obama, how does his names adopt anglo-english and yet he is not just an american Indigine but the president?
Are u afraid of saying the truth since lagos is mentioned ? Ok take it another way round, All of us knows the true aborigine of lagos state, now why not the yorubas adobt LAGOS ABORIGINE'S local name and why is revise the case here? my dear stand on the truth no matter who it favors. pls answer my question am waitin.

KnowAll:

Barack Obama falls within the 10 - 15% who kept their native names. In fact these days more people tend to try to keep their native names, but given that the USA is an Anglo speaking nation and judging by the poor pronunciation by English speakers of names and words that they are not familiar to them, there is still that urge to Anglicize one's name and even surname to some extent, no hard and fast rule like the good old days but it is still widely common practice.

Lagos Aborigene names are Yoruba aboriginal names u cannot divorce a con-join twin, separating Lagos from her motherland is like cutting the head of a snake and claiming the head is " head" and body is called snake. Severing one part from the other and giving it a name or synonym would be an exercise in futility.