petra1:

I will go through and revert

Splinz:


Thank you so much for your time.

I've gone through the Olivet prophecy recorded in Matthew 24. However, I've not found a single verse even remotely talking of rapture or people being whisked away into 'heaven'. Perhaps, this rapture idea is coming from misunderstood verses like 41 & 42 of same chapter and 1 Thessalonians 4:17. This need not be.

Now, let's tie pieces of scriptures together to form a coherent whole. Of course as a rule, "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little"

We'll start with Jesus arrival, as captured in Matthew 24:30 and elsewhere. It does appears like this is where a lot of people missed it, as the common thinking is that He is coming to take people to heaven or whisked them out of the earth.

Matthew 25:31-34 contains vital knowledge and readily helps in our discussion here. Actually, Matthew 25:31-34 is a continuation of the truth in Matthew 24:30-31. Remember, "...line upon line...".

Let's take note of at least 3 cardinal points in Matthew 25;

1. Throne

2. Nations

3. Kingdom prepared...

So verse 31 pictures Jesus arrival, and He sits on His glorious throne. Now, we don't have to speculate or assume where this throne will be. The bible will always interpret itself, and Luke 1:32-33 holds the answer. Yes, He will sit on the "...throne of His father David". And this is no other place but Jerusalem. A new Jerusalem is coming, where the tabernacle of God will be with man (Rev. 21:2-3).

Next we see that the nations of the earth are gathered and those faithful ones are rewarded and are told finally, to "inherit the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the earth". Does this prepared place or kingdom rings a bell? Yes, it should! Remember the prepared place in John 14:3? Oh yes...

The whole scenario, settings or events happens and revolves around no other place but the earth! Nobody is rapture anywhere, supposedly to the third heaven (John 3:13).

I have many things to discuss with you sir. But for time constraints, I'd draw the curtain here. Many thanks for your time.

HedwigesMaduro:


From my understanding:
Great tribulation comes before rapture, and rapture before the millennial reign for the following scriptural reasons:

In Paul's letter to the Thessalonians he explained the events of the rapture. The first event is the resurrection of dead saints (which is the first resurrection). In Revelation 20 it is stated that those that participated in the first resurrection refused the mark of the beast and they were killed for the testimony of Christ Jesus. This shows that the great tribulation would have happened before the first resurrection, which is the first event in the rapture. And they ruled with Christ for the 1000 years (the Millennial Reign). From the above it goes: great tribulation>rapture>Millennial Reign. Shalom.

HedwigesMaduro:


Thanks and God bless you sir. I'll really like to learn more.

Splinz:


Hello sir, thank you for your response and interest.

Let's continue from where we stopped. This time, I want us to look at Matthew 24:40-41 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17. I think these are supposed proof texts that rapturists used the most.

With Christ arrival, sitted on His throne, next He send his angels to gather the saints from the four corners of the earth. After the angels departure, here's what happens next;

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed" (1 Corinth 15:52). What changed exactly? From "mortal to immortal", verse 53. Put another way, from flesh and blood to spirit (John 3:6).

Yes, this event, like the bible describes it, will happen in a flash, at the sounding of the last trumpet. And then every spirit begotten sons and daughters of God, wherever they may be, will instantly changed; be born again, i.e, have everlasting life from that moment. Remember, this event will be the same for both those who sleeps in the Lord and those alive at His returns. In fact, pay a little more attention to 1 Thessalonians 4. This time, look at verse 16. Did you see where it says the dead in Christ shall rise first? Now ask yourself: Which dead? I thought they said the saints who sleeps in Christ are already living in heaven with God? Why will they need to rise again when they're already alive? Be the judge...

Now, when this changed might have taken place, then comes the fulfilment of Matthew 24:40:41 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17. At this point, these people being taken up, are no longer flesh and blood but spirit beings; immortals. Surely, a spirit being can ascend and descend, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

So let's round it up. With Christ already sitted and awaiting the arrival of his elect from all over the world, these glorified saints will descend or appear before the throne of Christ. And then just like government appointees are inaugurated at the start of a new government, Christ will officially commissioned and assigned portfolios to them.

And finally... The kingdom of God on earth begins!!!

Please let's discuss another time. Thank you.

PS: Hello petra1, please forgive my manners. Longest time sir. Accept my regards.

HedwigesMaduro:


Ok sir. Will study more so we may rub minds. God bless you sir.

amanda2013:
Carry your preaching go one side abeg. We have millions of Christians in Nigeria yet we are one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Savie:
. Science is doing what your god cannot do in bringing a vaccine. Can you ask your god to do the same?

donnie:
What they actually want is to destroy the Isrealite DNA, E1B1A because that is the bloodline through which YAHAUH will bring salvation. That will be the end of salvation for mankind but YAHUAH will always preserve a remnant. Mind you, the chosen people are below the Sarah-Haran (Sahara) desert and not where you have been taught.

It is not new, it has happened before. Satan has always been about corrupting the chosen bloodline. The seed the serpent/Cain has continued to do this throughout the ages. It happened in the time of Noah. They did it again through the summerians, who were mixed with the seed of the fallen ones and they enslaved the pure humans.

And just like in the days of Noah and the people of summer, the seed of the serpent/Cain is doing it again today.

amanda2013:
Funny set of people. Fear will kill some people before there time. Una no dey tire for this una conspiracy theories?

Judybash93:


LMAO!!! Religion has only been able to survive this long because it's been able to tap into people's fear, so, I'm not surprised at all

petra1:


Wrong . The fiasco and the conspiracy

Going on in the world is what Is using your fears to control you.

Jesus came to take fears away.

Luke 1:74
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies
might serve him without fear,

1 John 4:18 (KJV)
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Judybash93:

LMAO!!! Are you kidding? What is the consequence of not accepting Jesus as my personal saviour?

petra1:


Condemnation to eternal damnation

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Judybash93:


Exactly, so, that means if I'm not a Christian, I'm condemned. It's fear mongering brov, once you aren't part of the group, you're bad even if you're a good person.

petra1:


But this case is different . God is offering you life and paid for it .

petra1:


But this case is different . God is offering you life and paid for it .

sonmvayina:


Because you read it from a book given to you by people who came to enslave your ancestors...You foolishly accepted it, no questions asked. You demonsized your own heritage and insult your fore fathers...and you want to make heaven...continue., your eye will soon be open.

petra1:


Even idol worshipers acknowledge there is a true God in heaven . Why worship lesser gods

sonmvayina:


You are a moroon

...who is Eledumare?

petra1:


You mean slowpoke? Try dictionary help next time



Now you got it. They recognize eledumare as supreme God. Prsctitiojers of Ifa ,orinmila etc see their dumb idols as intermediary

Judybash93:

LMAO!!! Are you kidding? What is the consequence of not accepting Jesus as my personal saviour?

What is the consequence of rejecting the holy spirit?

Please, tell me?

sonmvayina:


But you are using jesus as intermediary..a white man that was executed(according to the story) so you guys are in the same box. But me, i go directly to my creator. He does not need mediator or intermediary...."Do not have any other god before me"...

He gives command, i obey.

petra1:


Except you're missing one part. Jesus is the way that takes you to God.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

sonmvayina:



Is it the creator that made this way or john. When did God command anybody to follow a man that was executed to get to him?

Waiting for answer..

petra1:


Deuteronomy 18:15
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

sonmvayina:

The prophet in question was joshua..who took after moses..