Janosky:

Mumu WAILER.
The basic meaning of son of God is angel.

Genesis 16:7 & Malachi 3:1,Amplified Bible is the work of your Trinitarian mentors proven you are wrong.

MaxInDHouse:

The highlighted is the reason why i said ignorance is what is affecting most people as they don't know what that Organization stands for!

Let me not keep you in the dark but expatiate further and let's see if there is anything wrong with the whole arrangement.

First of all we need to know that mankind has inherited sin from Adam {Romans 5:12} so no human is born perfect, each one of us has something in him or her that we are battling to overcome {Romans 7:21} that's why there will always be imperfect humans doing something that will hurt you everywhere you go.

So what is the purpose of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization?

This is the organization that emerged from the hardwork of some men who kept digging into the scriptures around 1870s. Jesus' invisible return in 1914 was a turnaround for this men because everything they believed before that year began changing as Jesus is using God's Holy Spirit to correct them. Because they were willing to make the needed adjustment from that time Jesus restored his mission to them which is going round the globe to help people grasp the message of God's Kingdom.
At first they hesitated not until they were arrested and kept in detention for three years after the death of the first president of this group (Charles Taze Russell) in 1916. By the year 1919 they were released and spontaneously they jumped into action going from house to house, door to door, city to city and county to country.
Most people thought it's the same with other religions but later many began realizing that this group kept making speedy amendments in their teachings as if someone is navigating their thoughts. Of course many who joined them from the beginning turned their backs after hearing things they feel shouldn't be {John 6:66} but one thing they failed to realise is that the main reason why they joined this group is due to the uniqueness, so if you're leaving have you found a better one? John 6:68

So don't think people are pretending NO! They are trying to cope with the situation of things now when we have imperfect brothers and sisters also struggling to exert themselves vigorously to remain on the narrow path.

I've been wronged severally by brothers and sisters in the Organization but one thing is sure all those in this organization beleive that Jesus is our King and that we are no part of the world where POLITICS and RACISM makes them raise weapons against one another! Revelations 6:3-4

That's why Jesus said once you've found his group stop keeping records of wrongdoings but always willing to let go of the mistakes of your fellow believers! Matthew 18:21-22

This is the one and only organization where you will leave one country to another and you will be welcomed as in embraced by someone who never knew you before simply because you are a fellow believer!

A friend of mine (musician) learned a song found in our song book and he tried to master the song using Yorùbá language. He went to republic of Benin and while singing the song a man approached him and ask about his Congregation. My friend doesn't know what that means, he simply told the man he learned the song through a friend. He said the man was a exited at hearing the tune even without understanding the language.
I told him "that's exactly how JWs throughout the world will be exited to meet you for hearing the tune of our song, forget about the language you're using to sing our song, anywhere you go JWs will welcome you with open arms if you're able to sing any of our songs in any language you choose"

Now tell me can you find such thing like that elsewhere? John 6:68

MaxInDHouse:

You're always interested when people talk about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, well that's a sign of the house built on the mountain top! Matthew 5:13-16 compare to Micah 4:1

Our righteousness beats all others {Isaiah 48:18} so you must use JWs as the yardstick to measure the righteousness of all others!

Janosky:


10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray,(J) one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself(K) and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast(L) twice a week and give a tenth(M) of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast(N) and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’(O)

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”(P)

Do you see your Pastorpreneurs in those verses?
You know say JWs no dey pay tithes, na your Pastorpreneurs nau Jesus dey talk about.
Their tithes are secured in tax Havens not stored in heaven

Yippeedaniel:
Jw is only sweet and holy when outside. When you're in you'll understand. Been there for few years but it's isn't what it pretend to be.

DappaD:


That’s why newly baptized persons are advised to continue making spiritual progress in their service to Jehovah. If you are a baptized brother, even better. The reason is so as not to drift away or your faith becomes weak(Hebrews 2:1) because whether anybody likes it or not, the initial flair one has for the truth will fade away UNLESS the person keeps on striving to EXERT himself(Luke 13:24) and WORKING on his faith that will lead to salvation. Philippians 2:12

Your further posts on this thread shows that you’re on the verge of being caught by the snares of Satan the Devil(2Timothy 2:26) which are the lies of apostates(2Timothy 2:16-18) You are basically the only person who can get yourself out from that situation. 1Peter 5:8-10

Hypocrites and those who hide their true identity/live double lives are amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses, yes, but that doesn’t change the fact this is the way to everlasting life. Jehovah knows those who truly belong to him(2Timothy 2:19) so the ones who claim to serve God are only deceiving themselves and not Jehovah because he can read the hearts of men. Isaiah 29:13
Those who hide their true identity are liars and they will not cross over into the new world even though they may have claimed to serve Jehovah. Matthew 24:48-51

haddeylium:


If you're truly an EX-JW, you're so STUPID for using the suffering of children as a weapon to defame a religion you don’t like and that speaks volumes of your moral turpitude.

achorladey:
Hypocrites and those who hide their true identity/live double lives are amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses, yes, but that doesn’t change the fact this is the way to everlasting life. Jehovah knows those who truly belong to him..... Dappad

Those hypocrites and hypocrisy have their roots, stems and leaves from the perfect spiritual food that is not guaranteed from Jesus christ appointed faithful slaves. You should know better Mr Dappad!

achorladey:
If you're truly an EX-JW, you're so STUPID for using the suffering of children as a weapon to defame a religion.... Haddeylium

His point really touched some nerves. Calm down you only need to replace the religious organization he is talking about with that of maybe Catholic or others and see how well the organization you belong have preyed and use all sort of qualifiers to describe them.

He has only use the common denominators that binds you and these other Christian denominations to explain his point . Calling him stupid won't erase his point rather it highlights it the more.

Emusan:


The thing really pained him.

But just as you said @color, imagine if they are reading their watchtower or awake and came across where their organization made the same statement about others. You'll see them laughing and praising Jehovah for the wonderful spiritual meal

Emusan:


This is so interesting

Which we can then ask, are these hypocrites and those who hide their true identity/live double lives among JWs according to Mr Dappada, were born into JWs families or they were converted?

1. If they were born into JWs families, it means they were not trained in the way of Jehovah.

2. If they were converted, it means they were deceived into it which they later found out.



He said only "yes, but that doesn’t change the fact this is the way to everlasting life. Jehovah knows those who truly belong to him(2Timothy 2:19)"

I'll rather ask, how many of such hypocrites and liars make up the total number of JWs?

These hypocrites and liars will also be found amongst the GB of JWs

chatinent:
We as Jehovah’s Witnesses adhere to the form of Christianity that Jesus taught and that his apostles practiced. This article summarizes our basic beliefs.
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1. God. We worship the one true and Almighty God, the Creator 'who has a name', and whose name is Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18; Revelation 4:​ 11) He is the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.​—Exodus 3:6; 32:11; John 20:17.
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2. Bible. We recognize the Bible as God’s inspired message to humans. (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:​16) We base our beliefs on all 66 of its books, which include both the “Old Testament” and the “New Testament.” Professor Jason D. BeDuhn aptly described it when he wrote that Jehovah’s Witnesses built “their system of belief and practice from the raw material of the Bible without predetermining what was to be found there.” * While we accept the entire Bible, we are not fundamentalists. We recognize that parts of the Bible are written in figurative or symbolic language and are not to be understood literally.​ —Revelation 1:1.
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3. Jesus. We follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:​31) Thus, we are Christians. (Acts 11:26) However, we have learned from the Bible that Jesus is not Almighty God and that there is no Scriptural basis for the Trinity doctrine.​—John 14:28.
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4. The Kingdom of God. This is a real government in heaven, not a condition in the hearts of Christians. It will replace human governments and accomplish God’s purpose for the earth. (Daniel 2:​44; Matthew 6:​9, 10) It will take these actions soon, for Bible prophecy indicates that we are living in “ the last days.”​—2 Timothy 3:​1-5; Matthew 24:​3-​14. Jesus is the King of God’s Kingdom in heaven. He began ruling in 1914.​—Revelation 11:15.
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5. Salvation. Deliverance from sin and death is possible through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 4:​12) To benefit from that sacrifice, people must not only exercise faith in Jesus but also change their course of life and get baptized. (Matthew 28:19, 20; John 3:​16; Acts 3:​19, 20) A person’s works prove that his faith is alive. (James 2:​24, 26) However, salvation cannot be earned​—it comes through “the undeserved kindness of God.”​—Galatians 2:​16, 21.
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6. Heaven. Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, and the faithful angels reside in the spirit realm. * (Psalm 103:19-​21; Acts 7:​55) A relatively small number of people​—144,000​—will be resurrected to life in heaven to rule with Jesus in the Kingdom.​—Daniel 7:​27; 2 Timothy 2:​12; Revelation 5:​9, 10; 14:​1, 3.
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7. Earth. God created the earth to be mankind’s eternal home. (Psalm 104:5; 115:16; Ecclesiastes 1:4) God will bless obedient people with perfect health and everlasting life in an earthly paradise. Of course, it was his original purpose while creating man.​—Psalm 37:11, 34.
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8. Evil and suffering. These began when one of God’s angels rebelled. (John 8:​44) This angel, who after his rebellion was called “Satan” and “Devil,” persuaded the first human couple to join him, and the consequences have been disastrous for their descendants. ( Genesis 3:​1-6; Romans 5:​12) In order to settle the moral issues raised by Satan, God has 'allowed' evil and suffering, but He will not permit them to continue forever.
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9. Death. People who die pass out of existence. (Psalm 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:​5, 10) They do not suffer in a fiery hell of torment. God will bring billions back from death by means of a resurrection. (Acts 24:15) However, those who refuse to learn God’s ways after being raised to life will be destroyed forever with no hope of a resurrection.​— Revelation 20:14, 15.
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10. Family. We adhere to God’s original standard of marriage as the union of one man and one woman, with sexual immorality being the only valid basis for divorce. (Matthew 19:​4-9) We are convinced that the wisdom found in the Bible helps families to succeed.​—Ephesians 5:22–​6:1.
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11. Our worship. We do not venerate the cross or any other images. (Deuteronomy 4:​15-​19; 1 John 5:​21) Key aspects of our worship include the following: Praying to God.​—Philippians 4:6. Reading and studying the Bible.​—Psalm 1:​1-3. Meditating on what we learn from the Bible.​—Psalm 77:12. Meeting together to pray, study the Bible, sing, express our faith, and encourage fellow Witnesses and others.​— Colossians 3:​16; Hebrews 10:23-​25. Preaching the “good news of the Kingdom.”​—Matthew 24:14. Helping those in need.​—James 2:​14-​17. Constructing and maintaining Kingdom Halls and other facilities used to further our worldwide Bible educational work.​— Psalm 127:1. Sharing in disaster relief.​—Acts 11:27-​30.
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12. Our organization. We are organized into congregations, each of which is overseen by a body of elders. However, the elders do not form a clergy class, and they are unsalaried. (Matthew 10:8; 23: We do not practice tithing, and no collections are ever taken at our meetings. (2 Corinthians 9:7) All our activities are supported by anonymous donations. The Governing Body, a small group of mature Christians who serve at our world headquarters, provides direction for Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.​— Matthew 24:45.
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Nothingserious:

This is okay.
The few grey areas that cause heated debates between you and other Christians really do not seem to be too fundamental as to deny anyone a place in the kingdom of God. My personal opinion though

MaxInDHouse:


I don't know why you people can't see how easy it is for real intellectuals to read through you. After reading about the resolve of a global family you want to draw a similarity between them and pagans with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. How do you quantify a Christian group in the first place?

Nothingserious:


“...real intellectuals...” is a put off for intellectualism in this context.

It was just a simple statement I made to say your doctrines aren’t much different from that of other Christians to cause all the whole arguments we see every now and then.

So what point are you trying to make now?
That you are an intellectual? That you are a Christian and others are pagans?

What are you seeing through? You would rather I had started criticizing your beliefs and dogmas instead of seeing and doing “jump and pass”?

Pls what is your point?

MaxInDHouse:


The Topic here is:
"Fifteen basic beliefs you don't know about Jehovah's Witnesses"
After seeing the basic beliefs of a group and you can't tell if they are the true Christians or not then it simply means you are deceiving yourself.
When Jesus said the road to everlasting life is narrow while the road to destruction is broad {Matthew 7:13-14} this simply means those on the road to everlasting life have the same line of thought regarding beliefs {John 17:20-23} while those on the road to destruction have contradicting beliefs! Luke 11:23
So can you pick any of the sects claiming denominations in Christendom and specifically list their basic beliefs the same way?
The answer is NO!
Because before you mention at least four out of their basic beliefs you will notice that the doctrines of this churches are contradicting. Then what are the basic tenets that defines a true Christian group?
That's why i said real intellectuals can easily see through you that you're deceiving yourself.

Nothingserious:

All I see is pride and false presumptions about oneself.

Nothingserious:

I don’t want to start arguments with you on who is a better christian than the other.
Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as the saviour of the world and the way to God the father is a Christian. Any other grey areas that are not fundamental may not matter to God.
Please keep that in mind.

Nothingserious:

I don’t even know why you think you are on the narrow way while others are on the broad way.
What is the narrow way? What is the broad way?

Nothingserious:


“...real intellectuals...” is a put off for intellectualism in this context.

It was just a simple statement I made to say your doctrines aren’t much different from that of other Christians to cause all the whole arguments we see every now and then.

So what point are you trying to make now?
That you are an intellectual? That you are a Christian and others are pagans?

What are you seeing through? You would rather I had started criticizing your beliefs and dogmas instead of seeing and doing “jump and pass”?

Pls what is your point?

Nothingserious:


All I see is pride and false presumptions about oneself.

I don’t want to start arguments with you on who is a better christian than the other.
Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as the saviour of the world and the way to God the father is a Christian. Any other grey areas that are not fundamental may not matter to God.

Please keep that in mind.

I don’t even know why you think you are on the narrow way while others are on the broad way.
What is the narrow way? What is the broad way?

MaxInDHouse:

Well that's what you see so you're entitled to what you can see!


Arguments doesn't always make people evil, Paul was an argumentator always arguing against Christ's group until Jesus called him because Paul wasn't hypocritical with his arguments. So if you argue for righteousness it's good.

Even if i should expatiate your preconceived thought that all those claiming Christians are Christians will not let you see the light but i will answer your questions because of others who truly wants to know the truth.

What is the narrow way?
Before the coming of John the baptist and Jesus whoever is in Israel worshiping in the temple with a pure heart is accepted but after John's arrival only those going to get baptized by John are in the narrow path to life {Matthew 11:12} that's why Jesus despite being the Christ must set the standard to help others {Matthew 3:13-15} then after Jesus began his ministry John's work ends so all those who wants to worship God acceptably must join Jesus' group {John 1:35-37 compare to John 3:25-30} So whoever remains in the former Jewish religion or John's baptism or any other religion is already on the broad road leading to destruction everyone must join Jesus' group! Luke 18:22

That's the setting in the first century so that all worshipers of God may have the same line of thought regarding beliefs and tenets of pure worship! John 4:24 compare to John 17:20-23

What is the broad way?
The broad way is all religions that are teaching people what they thought is good either in the name of God or Jesus but aren't ready to conform to the same line of thought with their fellow believers. They only want to hear that people can be worshipers of God in any religion as long as they're calling God's name or Jesus' name {Matthew 7:21-23} they don't want to subject themselves to any form of tenet restraining them from pleasing themselves. Satan is their leader {John 8:44} he just wants to present himself as a child of God who knows his own mind but never ready to subject himself to the same rules as other children of God! Job 1:6

Today there are many sects claiming denominations of one religion yet each of them have different ideas and opinions so a person can switch from one sect to another as if he's traveling on the expressway with many lanes yet claiming worshipers of the same God. That's what BROAD WAY means! Matthew 7:13-14

May you have PEACE!

achorladey:

Yet you go about calling Emusan even adding argumentative to his moniker . The same you will come and say all sort of things against those you say argue with you. All of these have their roots, stem and leaves from the forward and backward thinking and intelligence obtained from your taskmasters

Emusan:


That's the hypocrisy of him!

Actually, he was using that statement during that time to find an escape route!

He knows that, he is a chronicle argumentator on this forum.

But as usual, you can see through his deceit by quickly applied "So if you argue for righteousness it's good."

MaxInDHouse:

Well that's what you see so you're entitled to what you can see!


Arguments doesn't always make people evil, Paul was an argumentator always arguing against Christ's group until Jesus called him because Paul wasn't hypocritical with his arguments. So if you argue for righteousness it's good.

Even if i should expatiate your preconceived thought that all those claiming Christians are Christians will not let you see the light but i will answer your questions because of others who truly wants to know the truth.

What is the narrow way?
Before the coming of John the baptist and Jesus whoever is in Israel worshiping in the temple with a pure heart is accepted but after John's arrival only those going to get baptized by John are in the narrow path to life {Matthew 11:12} that's why Jesus despite being the Christ must set the standard to help others {Matthew 3:13-15} then after Jesus began his ministry John's work ends so all those who wants to worship God acceptably must join Jesus' group {John 1:35-37 compare to John 3:25-30} So whoever remains in the former Jewish religion or John's baptism or any other religion is already on the broad road leading to destruction everyone must join Jesus' group! Luke 18:22

That's the setting in the first century so that all worshipers of God may have the same line of thought regarding beliefs and tenets of pure worship! John 4:24 compare to John 17:20-23

What is the broad way?
The broad way is all religions that are teaching people what they thought is good either in the name of God or Jesus but aren't ready to conform to the same line of thought with their fellow believers. They only want to hear that people can be worshipers of God in any religion as long as they're calling God's name or Jesus' name {Matthew 7:21-23} they don't want to subject themselves to any form of tenet restraining them from pleasing themselves. Satan is their leader {John 8:44} he just wants to present himself as a child of God who knows his own mind but never ready to subject himself to the same rules as other children of God! Job 1:6

Today there are many sects claiming denominations of one religion yet each of them have different ideas and opinions so a person can switch from one sect to another as if he's traveling on the expressway with many lanes yet claiming worshipers of the same God. That's what BROAD WAY means! Matthew 7:13-14

May you have PEACE!

Nothingserious:

Frankly speaking, I like avoiding arguments with fellow Christians. I will rather I did that with skeptics than with you. I have so many things to say to you but what will we achieve at the end?
Yes it’s biblical to argue sometimes. Paul did it severally and used it to win intellectuals to his side. Jesus also reasoned with the Jews and religious leaders at different occasions. Even his disciples were always interrogated by the Jews. That’s an established fact.
It is too presumptuous for anyone to think they are better Christians than the others or even worse to think other Christians are pagans.
Simple qualification in the Bible: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that God raised him from the dead, and thou shall be saved.
That hasn’t changed. Other things are secondary just like the writer in Hebrews said we need to leave the basics behind and strive towards growth.
It might interest you to know that I had a Jehovah’s Witness close friend all through Secondary school. All the arguments we had then are more than enough.
“Wherefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on unto perfection; not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the teaching of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭6:1-3‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/heb.6.1-3.asv

MaxInDHouse:


Well it's only those with whom we share the same line of thought that we know as Christians {Matthew 12:46-50} not just those claiming Christians! Matthew 7:21-23
So if you're not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES then know that you and i aren't worshiping the same God, that's why i will never have anything to do with you in sacred matters like praying together or singing together!

MaxInDHouse:


Well it's only those with whom we share the same line of thought that we know as Christians {Matthew 12:46-50} not just those claiming Christians! Matthew 7:21-23
So if you're not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES then know that you and i aren't worshiping the same God, that's why i will never have anything to do with you in sacred matters like praying together or singing together!

Nothingserious:

Lol!
I like your nice touch of humor.
You seem like a trouble maker.
I will visit your congregation and pray and sing with you.
Do you still meet at Benin for annual programmes? We will see there.
By the way, every time anyone witness for Jesus Christ in evangelism and outreaches, he or she is a witness for God. Don’t localize that name to yourself. We all are ambassadors for Christ.
Like Paul said in Acts 17, for we also ate his offspring...
“We are ambassadors therefore on behalf of Christ, as though God were entreating by us: we beseech you on behalf of Christ, be ye reconciled to God. Him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:20-21‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/2co.5.20-21.asv

Janosky:

My Bro, pls check your inbox.
How you dey?
Thanks.

achorladey:


That is to say, to an outsider all the glittering things the org and its members display to you on the outside are not really gold. It is when you are in you will understand that they are polished copper abi brass of which are shiny.

Yippeedaniel:

Worst shit that don't happen in churches, got you wondering if God's own org will breed such cross imperfect humans.

Yippeedaniel:

Jw are the most depressed sect. That's why every WT talks about how depressed and frustrated older ones and poor jw are.

Yippeedaniel:

there's no peace. False peace, too much hating going on in congratulations around Nigerian.. Oh i Forget it's normal for imperfect human i think

Yippeedaniel:

Promise? The failed predictions. Stop waiting because you'll never see it come through in your lifetime. Go and watch annual meetings.

Yippeedaniel:

Why won't you be gentle when you're being controlled and told what to say. Slaves are normally gentle.

Yippeedaniel:

Feel save when over 1000 kids are abuses in the organization?

Yippeedaniel:

No one treats you badly when you're innocent.

Yippeedaniel:

clap for yourself.. Australia Branch of Jehovah's Witnesses had records of 1,006 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse, relating to more than 1,800 victims since 1950

Yippeedaniel:

You think God will be proud of you for writing this long shit. The same God will kill all gross imperfect jw in Armageddon.