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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by stagger: 10:51am On Aug 02
MelesZanawi:
Lawrence Agada, an Assistant Pastor in Christ Embassy with the Lagos Sheraton Hotels and Towers, donated cash and gifts worth N39 million to the Church. He bought a 250KVA generator valued at N4.4 million, and another 27KVA generator for NI.5 million and turned them over to a satellite arm of the church.

Earlier, he had provided N6 million for the refurbishment of the branch, N1 million for the purchase of plastic seats for the headquarters and contributed another N1million to Oyakhilome’s crusade tagged Night Of Bliss. Agada also gave N400,000 to his pastor, who needed money for a trip to Australia.

Happy that Agada had obeyed the teaching on seed sowing, Oyakhilome wrote a personal letter to commend the cheerful giver. “May God, who gives seed to the sower and bread for eating, multiply your seeds in Jesus name,” wrote the preacher.

But Jesus did not multiply Agada’s seeds. Instead, the giver became a guest of the police when his employers discovered that he had stolen from them to give to Christ Embassy. Agada’s employers demanded a refund of the stolen sum. However, Christ Embassy issued a statement admitting that Agada made donations but shamelessly refused to make the desired refund.


God can never be mocked. Tithes paid from illegal proceeds will attract a curse. Haggai 1 verse 9 part b says, "what you brought home, I the Lord blew away..." You can decieve a man or a pastor, but you can never deceive the Omniscient.

Remember God rejected the sacrifices of Cain and Saul? You cannot bribe God. See what God said in Isaiah 1:

1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

A Rebellious Nation
2 Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
3 The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

5 Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil.

7 Your country is desolate,
your cities burned with fire;
your fields are being stripped by foreigners
right before you,
laid waste as when overthrown by strangers.
8 Daughter Zion is left
like a shelter in a vineyard,
like a hut in a cucumber field,
like a city under siege.
9 Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us some survivors,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.

10 Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
11 “The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
12 When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?
13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.

Your hands are full of blood!

16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.[a]
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Does the current state of Nigeria and its people not fit the description that God was talking about?

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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by osisco: 10:55am On Aug 02
For is possible
stagger:


God can never be mocked. Tithes paid from illegal proceeds will attract a curse. Haggai 1 verse 9 part b says, "what you brought home, I the Lord blew away..." You can decieve a man or a pastor, but you can never deceive the Omniscient.

Remember God rejected the sacrifices of Cain and Saul? You cannot bribe God. See what God said in Isaiah 1:

1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

A Rebellious Nation
2 Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
3 The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

5 Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil.

7 Your country is desolate,
your cities burned with fire;
your fields are being stripped by foreigners
right before you,
laid waste as when overthrown by strangers.
8 Daughter Zion is left
like a shelter in a vineyard,
like a hut in a cucumber field,
like a city under siege.
9 Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us some survivors,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.

10 Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
11 “The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
12 When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?
13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.

Your hands are full of blood!

16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.[a]
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Does the current state of Nigeria and its people not fit the description that God was talking about?
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Ayoolu19(m): 10:58am On Aug 02
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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Emma1Oj(m): 11:15am On Aug 02
Kylekent59:
My question is this: "how did they know he's jobless?

Any money(the profit you make daily) should be calculated at the end of the month, then 10% should be for tithe.
U most be a very deceptive and fraudulent pastor who's only interested in his members money. "Any money(the profit you make daily) should be calculated at the end of the month, then 10% should be for tithe"
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by fredoooooo: 11:15am On Aug 02
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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by donnie(m): 11:15am On Aug 02
They have no business collecting tithe in the first place.
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by VisioDirect: 11:16am On Aug 02
You are not require to pay tithe in the first place
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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Farki: 11:26am On Aug 02
Pimpmaride:
Normally the church, probably the pastor overseeing the church can do that kind of deep research....


If only our pastors can do that, it will be better...
Rather than collecting tithes for every dick and Harry...

Thief go pay tithe
Olosho go do morning devotion after fuckinng the come pay tithe to climb altar again


God is really kind... If not sef, people like me for Don peme sef


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Get well soon
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by olaeffect(m): 11:30am On Aug 02
Yes the church has the right to ask.
The member also has the right not to disclose.
And finally the church has no right to reject the tithe of the member, because the tithe was actually giving to God through the church not to the church.

The matter get as e bi grin
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by WILLuKPquiet: 11:39am On Aug 02
Like you said it is good to ask. I support that. Especially when the church is not a mega Church because how many members would you approach to know their source of living when they are in thousands. So, the best way to handle such is preaching against fraud often and letting the Church know that giving such money attracts curses. You can't go and rob and bring the proceedings to Church as tithes.

I lived outside naija four a period of time. And a Nigerian guy use to climb the altar to give testimonies of how God was good to him every niw and then.The day I heard from a church member that he was a homo who sleeps with tourist for money, I felt bad that such a person climbs the altar to give testimonies and pays tithes with such ill gotten money.
I just wondered if the pastor knew or not.




Righteousness89:
Asking is not Bad! The Spirit of God Can lead the Pastor to ask.

What is Important is that you Tell the People the Truth!
Preach to them that if the Source or Proceeds of your Money is from Evil, Fraudulent or Wicked acts, don't Give it to us!

Preach it Bodly in the Church !

That is the True Gospel that should be Preached! The Church needs Money , but not all Money is Acceptable...

You Can't Defraud People and Say you are paying tithe! That is Wickedness

You Can't Kill people to make Money and you say you Bring a Heavy Seed! That is Wickedness!!

You Can't Rob People or Rob the Government and say you bring Tithe! That is Wickedness and Evil Money!

Isaiah 1: 12-17
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by aytuns(m): 11:41am On Aug 02
bolaayenimo:
A church member is jobless or has no verifiable source of income. But he pays in a hefty sum of amount into the church as his tithe (10 percent of income ).

Should a church ask him the source of money or just regard it as God's blessings?


The questions should be..


1. What type of tithe are you paying?
Deut 14:22-28
2. To whom are you paying the tithe?
Num 18:23-24
3. Should Christians pay tithe today?
Col 2:14; Heb 7:11-12; Gal 3: 10-12; Heb 9:15-17; 1cor 10:1-11;
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Royalfurnitures: 11:48am On Aug 02
Yes it is,infact any church or pastor that just collect tithes from their members without knowing their sources of livelihood,is canally minded


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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Righteousness89(m): 11:49am On Aug 02
WILLuKPquiet:
Like you said it is good to ask. I support that. Especially when the church is not a mega Church because how many members would you approach to know their source of living when they are in thousands. So, the best way to handle such is preaching against fraud often and letting the Church know that giving such money attracts curses. You can't go and rob and bring the proceedings to Church as tithes.

I lived outside naija four a period of time. And a Nigerian guy use to climb the altar to give testimonies of how God was good to him every niw and then.The day I heard from a church member that he was a homo who sleeps with tourist for money, I felt bad that such a person climbs the altar to give testimonies and pays tithes with such ill gotten money.
I just wondered if the pastor knew or not.



Wow! That's why the Pastor's Should Preach these truths Bodly..

I Have Personally Noticed that So Many People Do not Even know that what they are Involved in is sin. That's Judgement will Begin in God's House. Many People are being Fed with Watered down Gospel that makes them In Danger of Destruction.

We Just try to do our Best Here as The MASTER allows us..

Hopefully, Someone will see the Need to Make Amends..

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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by TruthHurts100: 11:51am On Aug 02
bolaayenimo:
A church member is jobless or has no verifiable source of income. But he pays in a hefty sum of amount into the church as his tithe (10 percent of income ).

Should a church ask him the source of money or just regard it as God's blessings?

Why pay tithe in the first place. You're a Christian. How many Christian paid tithe in the Bible?

Ask yourself.

I'm not paying tithe and I'm doing very well. God is providing for me and my family and he's protecting and guiding me back to back.

I give him my exclusive devotion. I love him and love my neighbor with all my heart. I support God's work with my time, money and energy. I don't pay tithe. God does not require any Christian to pay tithe.

Give out of the freeness of your heart not by compulsion. Haba!

Dangote dey pay tithe, Bill gate dey pay tithe? Abegggy
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by 10kgod(m): 11:56am On Aug 02
it would have make sense if this can be implemented.

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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by fabienjoe: 12:02pm On Aug 02
PaulDasilva:
I'm not sure if it's right or otherwise for the church to do that.

However, if our society was the type that questions people's source(s) of wealth, income and the money they throw around, our nation wouldn't be the money-crazed and corrupt cesspit it is today, and invariably, it would relieve the church of the burden of beaming the spotlight on you.

You can't be a barber and be paying 200k tithe!

That's the problem with Nigeria's brand of Christianity..Is the society supposed dictate what happens in the church? No. The church should actually reform the society. It should create a different paradigm..The church should be accountable ...and oh yes, it should ask the source of income of tithe payers..
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by spiritmasquerad(m): 12:06pm On Aug 02
It's ok is they know u were jobless but the truth is that a thief will never tell u his sources of income they will easily lie to the pastor
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by MrSquint: 12:07pm On Aug 02
I think it's proper to ask for the source of one's income, especially when you don't see any verifiable source of income.

But the truth is most churches don't care to know your source of income. Armed rubers, fraudsters, ritualists, yahooboys, prostitutes and polithiefcians are highly celebrated and given front seats in most churches because of the size of their tithes and offerings.

The harvest has to be big
They don't care about the source
Infact most of them will even give you biblical backings to why they need the monies from thieves and their likes.

MAY GOD HELP US
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Ouchbabe(f): 12:18pm On Aug 02
bolaayenimo:
A church member is jobless or has no verifiable source of income. But he pays in a hefty sum of amount into the church as his tithe (10 percent of income ).

Should a church ask him the source of money or just regard it as God's blessings?
Pastors don't care to know the source of ur income. Just pay ur tithe.
My pastor call me to complain he hasn't seen my tithe since March. I reminded him that as a private primary school teacher I haven't been paid since March. He was shouting on the phone asking me if no money has entered my hand since March. See me see wahala. I felt really bad when he dropped the call. This is my supposedly spiritual father. He called me after 5 months to ask of tithe
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by luluosas(m): 12:27pm On Aug 02
If you are being secrecy of your earnings, then YOU A YAHOO BOY/GIRL
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by chiemmanuel(m): 12:30pm On Aug 02
Salvation is personal,
It is between God and the tithe payer
His reward will be accordingly
What if you ask, and he fabricates a well paying Job?
God searches the heart, he alone knows
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by cardoso514: 12:50pm On Aug 02
Yes.When the die is cast,the tax authority will need the documents
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by einsteine(m): 12:50pm On Aug 02
Yes, churches should be subject to KYC regulations like banks, forex dealers, jewelry operators etc.

They may not need to know what the person does for a living but at the minimum they should at least have the person's full details: address, photograph, ID Cards etc.
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by BuddhaPalm(m): 1:09pm On Aug 02
bolaayenimo:
A church member is jobless or has no verifiable source of income. But he pays in a hefty sum of amount into the church as his tithe (10 percent of income ).

Should a church ask him the source of money or just regard it as God's blessings?

Nah, God will sanctify the money.
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Bahamas95: 1:17pm On Aug 02
Wetin concern them?......Na to pack their osusu dem dey afta. Even olosho sef dey pay tithe grin
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Nas25(m): 1:25pm On Aug 02
Very, very, very very correct. With the current happening, preachers should lay emphasis on this
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by Jaqenhghar: 1:32pm On Aug 02
Righteousness89:
Asking is not Bad! The Spirit of God Can lead the Pastor to ask.

What is Important is that you Tell the People the Truth!
Preach to them that if the Source or Proceeds of your Money is from Evil, Fraudulent or Wicked acts, don't Give it to us!

Preach it Bodly in the Church !

That is the True Gospel that should be Preached! The Church needs Money , but not all Money is Acceptable...

You Can't Defraud People and Say you are paying tithe! That is Wickedness

You Can't Kill people to make Money and you say you Bring a Heavy Seed! That is Wickedness!!

You Can't Rob People or Rob the Government and say you bring Tithe! That is Wickedness and Evil Money!

Isaiah 1: 12-17
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
no be for nowadays church O.
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by samuelson06(m): 1:45pm On Aug 02
Righteousness89:
Asking is not Bad! The Spirit of God Can lead the Pastor to ask.

What is Important is that you Tell the People the Truth!
Preach to them that if the Source or Proceeds of your Money is from Evil, Fraudulent or Wicked acts, don't Give it to us!

Preach it Bodly in the Church !

That is the True Gospel that should be Preached! The Church needs Money , but not all Money is Acceptable...

You Can't Defraud People and Say you are paying tithe! That is Wickedness

You Can't Kill people to make Money and you say you Bring a Heavy Seed! That is Wickedness!!

You Can't Rob People or Rob the Government and say you bring Tithe! That is Wickedness and Evil Money!

Isaiah 1: 12-17
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Church administration is far more than what we can do as human beings. It is not about preaching the Word which anybody can do. It is about walking in the Spirit. It is about allowing the Spirit of God to lead you. The men of God of old were not depending on their strength to run the church but today the reverse is the case. We judge everything by our senses. It shouldn't be this way. Many churches are led by spiritually blind people.

It's shouldn't be a question of asking or investigating anybody's source of income before giving them approval to pay their tithe. The Holy Spirit should lead you to separate the tithe envelopes and know which one would bless you and which would be a curse to you. It shouldn't just be about tithe but every giving in the church. Every giving should be screened by the minister of God in-charge through the Holy Spirit working inside of you. It's good to preach about how to offer seeds that pleases God but the best is for any minister of God to say 'take your seed away or drop your seed here.' This way, you stay away from a lot of problems as a minister of God. When a bad seed is sown in the church, it becomes a problem for both the sower and the receiver. It's dangerous!

Sitting here, I would've loved to be a pastor. I would've loved to be called a G.O. but I can't just jump into ministry when I can't hear God talk to me like a father would talk to his son. I don't want to run a place I call God's with my strength. It's a stupidd thing to do. It's a dangerous mission.

Look around and you'll see drama kings and queens in the name of pastor. It's a total mess but God alone would pass judgment - not in future but even now! Everyone making a mockery of the body of Christ would pay for it. Beware!
Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by hecomeshome(m): 1:55pm On Aug 02
chibnnodi:
Yes, I know that the Deeper life Bible church must investigate your source of income, before they accept your tithe.

Don't speak on what you know nothing about. Do you know how many tithe payments hit the DLBC's bank account on a daily basis? How many can they investigate?

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Re: Is It Proper For A Church To Ask A Member The Source Of His Tithe? by bukatyne(f): 1:58pm On Aug 02
Yes.

Also if your members contribute more than their standard of living.

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