Obalatule:
Binis where an offshoot of Igbos and continued recieving NRI priests for Earth cleansing and other purposes for hundreds of years

The Igbo migrations out of bini where descendants of these original NRI priests and emissaries, they started dispersing from Bini(Iduland) for different reasons and at different points on time

It is actually stupid to ask why other clans of Igbos didn't build empires like the Binis, sounds stupid...The Nris where mainly priestly people and never tried to conquer anybody with military might, The Bini has a long standing tradition of not using the head of any Nri Descendant during the yearly igue(igu Aro) festival.

Just a little expose on Nri overlordship of Benin, below is a snippet of what the Portuguese explorers of the late 1400s wrote about the relationship

Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

imhotep:

Calm down and confess that Igbo amaka

Cc lzaa

Yeah.

Sammy07:
lol even igalas were the earliest offshoots of Yorubas reason why their language is 70% Yoruba. You can't understand igala language while I can

Lots of igala sounds and letters are missing from Yoruba language but present in Igbo, "gw" , "kw", "ch" ,"Z" ,"V" "GH" and few others

Obalatule:
lol, you can't offer any meaning of Oduduwa in Yoruba language, just like you can't explain the name "Yoruba" itself

lol just tell me you want me to io say it. Except Yorubas that ain't versed in history will not know the meaning of Oduduwa, I intentionally tell you his last name iwa shortened as (wa) that's not his full name just like Fayemi, mimiko those surnames are not their full names it was just shorten

Sammy07:
lol keep making yourself happy oo, even his name (iwa - means character) I won't tell you what Odudu means continue making yourself happy, I'm out

The bolded is because you don't know the meaning of ODUDU, and by the way, it is not ODUDU-IWA

Obalatule:
Lots of igala sounds and letters are missing from Yoruba language but present in Igbo, "gw" , "kw", "ch" ,"Z" ,"V" "GH" and few others

Yoruba language doesn't have GW but ondo dialects, ekiti and some Yorubas dialects has GW so what are you saying stop writing what you don't know

OfoIgbo:
This is a very positive thread.

The Igbo-Nkwo findings are by mere accident. I don't think a proper archeological investigation of Igboland has ever been done, the way it has been done in Benin or Ife.

I am aware of sites that a likely to yield findings that will make the Igbo-Nkwo findings seem like artifacts of yesterday.

Igboland and the people are the most intelligent in Africa, so one should expect a more spectacular and way more ancient set of archeological artifacts, when a proper investigation is made.

The Igbo-Nkwo (Igbo-Ukwu as it is currently known) findings are attributed to Oraeri, an Nri offshoot. The site is located in a piece of land that used to belong to Oraeri a neighbouring town, and this fact was verified by Thurstan Shaw, the Cambridge prof that led in the study and excavation of that site.
Imagine if a proper archaeological study is performed in Nri proper (paying particular attention to Eugwu-Ukwu, and Agukwu section of Nri town), and to a lesser extent Enugwu-Agidi and Nawfia. I can guarantee 100% that way older discoveries will be made in these sites.

The discoveries waiting to be unearthed in these sites will predate the whole Igodomigodo craze by many centuries.

Already, early Portuguese explorers in the 1400s, put down in writing that Nri was greater than Benin, and that Benin obas sort the permission and the blessing of the Eze Nri before any Benin oba could be crowned. Eze Nri Obalike of the 1800s also made it clear to the Europeans that Benin was under the Nri sphere of influence. When Obalike stated this fact, he was totally unaware that early Portuguese explorers noted this and saw these highly respected Nri titled men in the palace of the Oba of Benin.

Igbos have not been taking their history very seriously. Proper studies need to be carried out

Oh boy you just dey form Nri supremacy story.

Take permission from Nri?

Benin was a place where every kingdom had what today would be called an embassy. Though not permanent structure as today but regular envoys.

It's no secret that noblemen and princes from far and wide came to understudy Benin administration, culture, and monarchy.

You can focus on Igbo cultural renaissance without trying to claim Edo like Yoruba are doing.

They want the shine of Benin history. Claiming to have controlled Benin is an attractive but dubious short cut to relevance. When put in their place, they call Benin is 2 x 2.
Why bother about and scramble over "2 x 2"?

When pikin drag something and e nor reach him hand e go say I nor even want am before sef.
I guess post Biafra war Igbo were too busy pursuing individual wealth. Now it's becoming obvious that history and culture are vast inexhaustible wealth on their own.

I wholeheartedly support any group researching and bringing their culture, art and history to the fore. Igbo culture is important to nearby cultures of Edo, Yoruba, Idah, Idoma, Efik/Ibibio, Izon, etc.

OfoIgbo:


The bolded is because you don't know the meaning of ODUDU, and by the way, it is not ODUDU-IWA

read my comment up there

Obalatule:
Lots of igala sounds and letters are missing from Yoruba language but present in Igbo, "gw" , "kw", "ch" ,"Z" ,"V" "GH" and few others

Igala people are a fusion of present Yoruba, Igbo, Benin, Jukun and later Hausa. However, their language and culture is a mix of Yoruba, Igbo and Jukun.

AreaFada2:


Oh boy you just dey form Nri supremacy story.

Take permission from Nri?

Benin was a place where every kingdom had what today would be called an embassy. Though not permanent structure as today but regular envoys.

It's no secret that noblemen and princes from far and wide came to understudy Benin administration, culture, and monarchy.

You can focus on Igbo cultural renaissance without trying to claim Edo like Yoruba are doing.

They want the shine of Benin history. Claiming to have controlled Benin is an attractive but dubious short cut to relevance. When put in their place, they call Benin is 2 x 2.
Why bother about and scramble over "2 x 2"?

When pikin drag something and e nor reach him hand e go say I nor even want am before sef.
I guess post Biafra war Igbo were too busy pursuing individual wealth. Now it's becoming obvious that history and culture are vast inexhaustible wealth on their own.

I wholeheartedly support any group researching and bringing their culture, art and history to the fore. Igbo culture is important to nearby cultures of Edo, Yoruba, Idah, Idoma, Efik/Ibibio, Izon, etc.

. Don't mind them they're claiming Yoruba too now. We and you guys, we never settle matter, we still dey on top each other like superiority or where each other come from, Igbo con enter the matter saying we're from Igbos

OfoIgbo:


Just a little expose on Nri overlordship of Benin, below is a snippet of what the Portuguese explorers of the late 1400s wrote about the relationship

Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

How this part of history was totally ignored by everybody including the Igbos themselves still baffles me a lot, there is no telling what further archeological research may open up

Dedetwo:


Ndigbo are not loudmouthed as your forbearers and will never give silly narratives of Igbo people different from what is\are obtained on the ground.
Till today, Igala has no inches of Igbo land or any Igbo land is incorporated under Emirates as Igala land does. Even the stools of rulership in Igala land have been Islamized because it was identity mark of Caliphate which conquered all places and placed them under the Emirates. The Caliphate never had a foot hold in places where they did battle with Akagbe and collective Igbo warriors in Idoma and Igala lands. There was no Oba of Benin who wanted to entangle with Agbor talk less large collective of Igbo warriors beyond Agbor. When Yari.ba peeps were driven out of Oyo Ile, the traces of the wounds littered all the over the places including Oshogbo and Ogbomosho. Offa still remains a total and unconditional testament to the doctrine of Sokoto Caliphate. No such sign was even remotely registered in the smallest village in the northern most outskirts of Igbo land.

Igalas were your priest, they colonised you. Whatever bro, no be today your people dey lie

Sammy07:
which kind of lies is this. How can you make claims you cannot prove? .. I think you wanna destroy this thread by including Oduduwa and Yorubas

There was a unified historical junction between Igbos & these Afonja almagiris.(dated about 5000 years back, hence some similarities). You can go and unearth that information & stop being lazy/criticising.