petengine:


When you insult the president of your country, you're respecting an elder. But when you insult a pastor, you're disrespecting your elders.

What fools! Respect kill you dey!!

A prophet can judge kings or a whole nation . It’s his office .

Jeremiah 1:10 (KJV)
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

joefelin2345:
What are the evidences that some of these ministers are called by God? Is is becos they built big churches & cathedrals? Is it becos they have large followers? Is it becos they perform miracles which could be stage managed? Is it becos they claim that God called them?. Moses we know, Aaron we know, Joshua we know, Saul we know, David we know, other prophets & disciples in the old & new testaments we know. I have been watching some You tubes where a former Erelu Agbaye (now Erelu Jesu) accused some prominent Pastors & Bishops of being involved in ritual practices. Many of them have gone under ground.

That is why it is Safe for you to leave them alone. Leave all judgement for God

1 Corinthians 4:5 (KJV)
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

petra1:

It is unscriptural to insult or rebuke ministers of God . A new generation seem to be ingnorant of principles of the scripture and the consequences of violating them which carry curses

Psalms 105:15
Touch not mine anointed,
and do my prophets no harm.

Sometimes in this forum I Have heard some ignorant people say that the verse above is for all Isreal and not men of God . If you think so You must have gotten your Theology upside down. Firstly is the whole of Isreal anointed . Is the whole of Isreal prophets ? That verse was making Reference to Patriacts and prophets Abraham and Isaac Before whom God rebuked Kings for touching their wives .

Psalms 105:14-15
14 He suffered no man to do them wrong:
yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed,
and do my prophets no harm.

Genesis 26:11
11 And (KING)Abimelech charged all his people, saying, He that toucheth this man or his wife shall surely be put to death.

That explanation should be enough for he wise.

God anointed 3 offices in the Bible days . The king ,The priest and The prophet. God gave instructions to have respect for such. And by That we have no right to insult such men

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.


Remember that this rulers were ministers anointed by God “priest and prophets

The same way today God has annointed ministers over Gods people .

What if a minister do wrong ? That still doesn’t give us the right to curse or insult them . A minister can only be rebuke by God or someone higher than him but not a surbodinate . I will give you 3 instances In scripture .

MOSES
He was the man by who the law came , yet he was the first to brake the law of intermarriage . He married an Ethiopian woman when the wife left him. Aaron and Miriam who were surbodiates Spoke against Moses for his wrong .

Numbers 12:1
1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

God judged them instantly read the rest of the story . Miriam became leprous on this account .

Same things goes for the sons of Korah and elders who stood against Moses for having too much authority claiming that “they are all anointed “

Numbers 16:3
3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

DAVID AND SAUL

It was evident that Saul was a backsliden King. Even though David had been chose to take over he would not violate scripture principle despite the Fact that Saul wanted to kill him . He had had numerous opportunities to kill Saul but wouldn’t do it because of the anointing upon Saul as head . Especially when his servant Abishai asked David permission to kill Saul

1 Samuel 26:9
9 And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the LORD's anointed, and be guiltless?

PAUL
Paul once had an incident where the Highpriest ordered him to be slapped . He insulted the highpriest without knowing he was high priest . But when his attention was brought to it , he apologized .

Acts 23:2-5
2 And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth. 3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? 4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? 5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

These days we have people especially on this Forum insulting ministers . It is error which carry curses . If a minister did wrong against the law let the law handle the matter , if it’s against God , let God handle the matter . But stop putting your mouth especially in things that’ you may even be wrong about in your own limited understanding

No human is above discipline and correction. Insults no.
Rebuke and reprimand/discipline, YES!
(Compare Hebrews12:5-9 ).

"Touch not my anointed" has been twisted out of context for selfish,self serving interests.
"And Do my profits no harm"

Proverbs 10:17

"Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray."

Proverbs 12:1

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid."


The Bible truth is that David was speaking against commiting murder of King Saul.

Did Prophet Nathan not rebuke David, Yahweh's anointed king , for adultery & murder?

Did Paul not rebuke/discipline Peter for strawing away from the gospel of Jesus Christ?

petra1:




Hebrews 13:17 (NLT)
17 Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say.

If your spiritual leader tells you to kill your mother that she is a witch. Will you obey?

Janosky:

No human is above discipline and correction

Sure . It depends on who has jurisdiction . You can only do it to someone under you not above you

Insults no.

Nice

Rebuke and reprimand/discipline, YES!

If you have authority over that person sure !

"

Touch not my anointed" has been twisted out of context for selfish,self serving interests.
"And Do my profits no harm"

Sacarcim is unnecessary

The Bible truth is that David was speaking against commiting murder of King Saul.
Did Prophet Nathan not rebuke David, Yahweh's anointed king , for adultery & murder?

Nathan Was prophet , Prophets can judge kings , prophet make and unmake kings. It’s their jurisdiction

Did Paul not rebuke/discipline Peter for strawing away from the gospel of Jesus Christ?

It was his jurisdiction . It was his church . If a man misbehave. In my house I can correct him

Timi141:

Imagine saying you can't call pastor's to order because the bible said so What sort of stupid rubbish is that?

If the Bible says so that settles the matter except you’re not a christian .

James 1:22 (KJV)
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

antocreative:


Who ordained him a minister?

It doesn’t matter . You don’t have his record . Leave him alone

jaeyking:



we are also forgetting a passage in the bible
1Cor.6.1 - If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?
1Cor.6.2 - Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
1Cor.6.3 - Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
1Cor.6.4 - Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church!
1Cor.6.5 - I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?
1Cor.6.6 - But instead, one brother goes to law against another--and this in front of unbelievers!
1Cor.6.7 - The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?
1Cor.6.8 - Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.

Let me relate the issue, if you feel your pastor made a mistake or you feel they did something wrong,
you can approach them in the presence of Fellow believers and delivery the suit or you meet him one on one. Pray for him and treat him with love. no one is above mistake. But a public bashing is very wrong.
Sadly most Churches this days are far from what Apostle Paul said in his letters in 1 Corinthians.

so in summary what ever dispute should be settled in the church away from the ears of unbelievers.
as this enables More Love to be built within brethens.


and truth be told the Muslim Brethren are actually following this passage more than the Christian brethren.
Hardly will you see a Non-muslim interfere in their issues

Nice

Righteousness89:
Let's Learn to Remove our Mouth From God's Servant! GOD who Called them knows How to Deal with them if they Go Astray..

You Attract and Acquire Trouble and Curses when you open your Tongue anyhow.

Numbers 16:1-5
1 Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:
2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:
3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?
4 And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face:
5 And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

Numbers 16:28-33
28 And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
29 If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me.
30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.
31 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:
32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

Numbers 12:1-10
1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
4 And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

2 Kings 2:23-25
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
25 And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.

Precious message

maasoap:


Your so called men of God are nothing but scammers and money worshippers

You’re not the first . So they said of Jesus .

John 7:12 (NLT)
12 There was a lot of grumbling about him among the crowds. Some argued, “He’s a good man,” but others said, “He’s nothing but a fraud who deceives the people.”

ziondaughter247:
'Touch not my anointed' is the most manipulative statement in christendom. I can assure you that many of thes pastors called themselves, they are not anointed. Just like one useless wicked man I worked with. Onye arurala! Later he will come and tell you he's a pastor and 'touch not my anointed'. Fake people!

'Pastors' should be called out for bad behaviour! in fact they should be held more accountable for their misdeeds.

You’re wrong ! There’s a process to deal with a matter . Did you Go to him , what was his response ? Who Did You report him to? God’s kingdom has discipline .

Jeezuzpick:


Uncle,

In your bid to glorify these men, you seem eager to place yourself below them.

I urge you to accept the fact that they are not more blessed than you or me, neither does God love them more than He loves us.

We are all equal before God, and each one of us, if willing, God has an anointing for us to be vessels unto honour in His house.

Even an Usher needs God's anointing to function. I have personally seen an Usher pray and a blind man's eyes opened during Reinhard Bonkke's crusade.

Never forget that, and it shall be well with you.......or are you not God's anointed too?

Me I am also anointed o, I am among those God says to "touch not".

We all have equal salvation . But there are lines of authority in Gods kingdom . Some of you new breeds don’t study the Bible but you follow social media culture

Hebrews 13:17 (NLT)
17 Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joy and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit.

1 Corinthians 12:28 (KJV)
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

verlmoon:
this is purely your opinion. anyone who reads the whole of psalm 105 would understand that God's anointed refers to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jocab and God regarded these people as his prophets as He revealed his plans to them and through them they were fulfilled.

And who is it referring to as prophets

RTSC:

A president has lost his right to public respect if he misbehaves.

That is why he is president. He is a public servant, not a king.

You’re Wrong Read your Bible

1 Peter 2:18 (BBE)
18 Servants, take orders from your masters with all respect; not only if they are good and gentle, but even if they are bad-humoured.

petra1:


Sure . It depends on who has jurisdiction . You can only do it to someone under you not above you
Nice
If you have authority over that person sure !
Sacarcim is unnecessary
Nathan Was prophet , Prophets can judge kings , prophet make and unmake kings. It’s their jurisdiction

It was his jurisdiction . It was his church . If a man misbehave. In my house I can correct him

Bros, thanks.

1 Timothy 5:20

"Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others"

Are Pastors liable to discipline and reprimand before the Church members ?
What's your take?

Mordecai:
Freeze's controversy aside, I do not see why we can criticize the actions of political leaders, traditional rulers, and not religious leaders. Every organization will wither away without criticism.

The body of christ has structure and a culture from the Bible . We follow the Bible .

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile God, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
... But these men had no qualms criticizing laws and policies of the government.

As long as it’s within their human right and constitution

The recent CAMA law is a good case in question. They should thus open their own doors and windows to correction.

But by who ? You can air your opinion or present your case scripturally to your pastor privately if you have issues . Correction is Extreme language

They should not tolerate insults though.

Did Oyedepo complain ?

Take what the Bible says period . It’s against scripture For A christian to insult men of God

On another note, these churches are products of a rebellion by Martin Luther against the church leadership. Just saying...

He presented his Theses . He wasn’t insulting anybody

petra1:


We all have equal salvation . But there are lines of authority in Gods kingdom . Some of you new breeds don’t study the Bible but you follow social media culture

Hebrews 13:17 (NLT)
17 Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joy and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit.

1 Corinthians 12:28 (KJV)
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

You are quick to assume I'm a "new breed".

I was born again 31 years ago.

Now, back to the issue.

A spiritual leader is not to be envied, because it's a very tough position in which to find oneself. Leaders should be sober, grave people who weigh every word before they say it because their followers will hold on to them.

Personally, I try to live "by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord" and I can easily find those by myself in the Bible. Like the Bereans, I weigh what these men say, and, I must admit, on many occasions, I find they stretch the Word a bit.

The key word is "let brotherly love continue". What we have now are men claiming to be "fathers" to other children of God, and claiming infallibility under the "touch not my anointed' thing.

Well, we are all anointed, all of us are "touch not", I stand by those words.

Some are Apostles, some Prophets, some are teachers , etc, but God appoints all and anoints all to function in His house. A young man can be sitting in some congregation while on holidays and yet be the president of a fellowship on campus that is even larger than his home Church. Does he not need to be anointed for the task?

For the purpose of function, yeah, some lead, but by structure, the Church is made of brethren, not "Daddies" and "children".

Don't think of it as an office with a boss and subordinates, where the boss takes credit or criticism for the success and failure of all. Rather think of it in the image of a football team, where there's a captain and assistant, but all play their part and are true friends, jubilating together when they succeed and learning together when they fail.

Quelme:
which God called them? People like you are what Martin Luther fought for. Emancipate yourself from religious slavery....

He followed the Bible .

Jeezuzpick:


You are quick to assume I'm a "new breed".

I was born again 31 years ago.

Now, back to the issue.

A spiritual leader is not to be envied, because it's a very tough position 5o find oneself. Leaders are sober, grave people who weigh every word before they say it because their followers will hold on to them.

Personally, I try to live "by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord" and I can easily find those by myself in the Bible. Like the Bereans,I weigh what these men say, and, I must admit, on many occasions, I find they stretch the Word a bit.

The key word is "let brotherly love continue". What we have now are men claiming to be "fathers" to other children of God, and claiming infallibility under the "touch not my anointed' thing.

Well, we are all anointed, all of us are "touch not", I stand by those words.

Se are Apostles, some Prophets, some are teachers , etc, but God appoints all and anoints all to function in His house.

For the purpose of function, yeah, some lead, but by structure, the Church is made of brethren, not "Daddies" and "children".

Don't think of it as an office with a boss and subordinates, where the boss takes credit or criticism for the success and failure of all. Rather think of it in the image of a football team, where there's a captain and assistant, but all play their part and are true friends, junilating together when they succeed and learning together when they fail.

The scriptures I quoted explains my stand with Gods word . There is no place in the Bible either old and New Testament which support Christians insulting their pastors .

Jude 1:8 (KJV)
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

loswhite:
But your pastors opened their mouth to criticize the catholic church but cannot tolerate criticism. Majority of Nigerian Christians are just zombies

Be specific what did they say. Dealing with doctrinal difference By ministers is allowed . But it is different from Christians insulting Men of God

Janosky:


Bros, thanks.

1 Timothy 5:20

"Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others"

Are Pastors liable to discipline and reprimand before the Church members ?
What's your take?

It depends . A junior Pastor can reprimand a senior Pastor openly . Everything depends on the gravity of the offense . It could be privately , or could be among Pastors and it can be before congregation

Sometimes private matters are dealt with privately and public matters are dealt with publicly

petra1:


The scriptures I quoted explains my stand with Gods word . There is no place in the Bible either old and New Testament which support Christians insulting their pastors .

Jude 1:8 (KJV)
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Oh, pastors will give account of their stewardship, if I were one (I have refused to become one on a few occasions because I know I haven't been called, at least, yet), I will prefer to listen to criticisms of men here on this side of eternity and adjust myself than get before God when it is too late!

Those guys who will shout before Christ about how they cast out demons and healed the sick in His name yet He tells them to depart from Him, who do you think they might mostly be? Members of congregation, or pastors?

May God help our men of God, o......it's not easy, especially when men and women begin bowing and kneeling before them, calling them"Daddy" (father) when none other than Jesus Himself said "call no one father"

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Like I said, may God help our pastors.

It's not easy.

Mordecai:


In the early days of the church, devotees paid for indulgences as part of the way to salvation.

In the teaching of the Catholic Church, an indulgence (Latin: indulgentia, from indulgeō, 'permit') is "a way to reduce the amount of punishment one has to undergo for sins"...
...
...By the late Middle Ages indulgences were used to support charities for the public good including hospitals.
(Culled from Wikipedia. Read more at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence )

Enter Martin Luther.

He came to reject several teachings and practices of the Roman Catholic Church; in particular, he disputed the view on indulgences. Luther proposed an academic discussion of the practice and efficacy of indulgences in his Ninety-five Theses of 1517. His refusal to renounce all of his writings at the demand of Pope Leo X in 1520 and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms in 1521 resulted in his excommunication by the pope and condemnation as an outlaw by the Holy Roman Emperor. Culled from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther )

The movement led by Martin Luther laid the foundation for the Reformation, and the growth of the Protestant wing of Christianity. His views on celibacy led to the present ability of Christian clergy to marry and raise families. Mind you, all these were done in blatant disregard of the then church leadership, even under the banner of excommunication.

Today, these beneficiaries of the Reformation now want total, unquestioning submission by their adherents? When the foundation of Luther's rebellion was that salvation and, consequently, eternal life are not earned by good deeds (including tithing) but are received only as the free gift of God's grace through the believer's faith in Jesus Christ as redeemer from sin; and that the Bible is the only source of divinely revealed knowledge, not the office of the Pope (or of the present day GOs)?

If only the founders of the evangelical movement would see what it has turned to in Africa.

Nobody is against debate , criticism . Oyedepo did not complain . But we have to point out the error of the new generation of Christians . The Bible is our guide

aswani:
Modern "Men of God" have put themselves up for ridicule with their wanton and unbridled lust for earthly riches and power.

On judgement day, not one of them will be able to use their Daddy G. O, Apostle, Reverend, Pastor etc titles to make it to Heaven.

They will all be on the queue like the rest of us and be judged, mainly on their actions in showing that they believe that Jesus Christ is the truth and the only way, like the rest of us.

It is easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich anointed Daddy.

Does the Bible give permission for Christians to insult Gods ministers

petra1:



It depends . A senior Pastor can reprimand a junior Pastor openly . Everything depends on the gravity of the offense . It could be privately , or could be among Pastors and it can be before congregation

Sometimes private matters are dealt with privately and public matters are dealt with publicly

Thanks, for the reply.
The bottom line: Nobody is above correction and reprimand.
The Church should discipline the senior pastor who steps out of line (unrepentant indulgence in sins).
Except na him business center. Who gave me right to challenge a man running his business center as he likes?

donnie:


It depends on who annointed them. We Isrealites do not recognize gentile prophets. The Most High never sent gentiles to prophesy of ISRAEL. Those with a gentile message cannot speak to Israel in the name of YAH.

The Moses you call... do you think he was a white man or European? was he not mistaken for Egyptian?

Enough of the Whiteman worshipping.

Galatians 3:28 (KJV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Secondly the Jews are in blindness till the times of the gentiles is over

Romans 11:25
blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

petra1:



It depends . A senior Pastor can reprimand a junior Pastor openly . Everything depends on the gravity of the offense . It could be privately , or could be among Pastors and it can be before congregation

Sometimes private matters are dealt with privately and public matters are dealt with publicly

We should do all rebuke in love, and elders should not provoke young men to anger.

The Bible says that, too, you know. The Bible also said since the same fountain cannot produce both sweet water and bitter, the same mouth should not bless and curse.

James 3:9-11
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

Yet these men regularly place curses on people, and we rejoice that they are doing so. I'm sure you are aware that some of these pastors have cursed even some pastors serving under them among other people they have cursed?

Let us strive to be more and more like Christ Jesus who never cursed anyone nor reviled anyone.

Good job those guys did, by the way, calling Freeze a bastard.

Nice way to win people for Christ.

Janosky:

Thanks, for the reply.
The bottom line: Nobody is above correction and reprimand.

Yes of course . It depends on who has the authority to do the correction by scriptures

petra1:


A prophet can judge kings or a whole nation . It’s his office .

Jeremiah 1:10 (KJV)
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

How can anionted prophet judge anionted King?
You are a confused man

Jeezuzpick:


We should do all rebuke in love, and elders should not provoke young men to anger.

*1
The Bible says that, too, you know. The Bible also said since the same fountain cannot produce both sweet water and bitter, the same mouth should not bless and curse.

James 3:9-11
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

Yet these men regularly place curses on people, and we rejoice that they are doing so. I'm sure you are aware that some of these pastors have cursed even some pastors serving under them among other people they have cursed?

*2
Let us strive to be more and more like Christ Jesus who never cursed anyone nor reviled anyone.

Good job those guys did, by the way, calling Freeze a bastard.

*3
Nice way to win people for Christ.

*1 is North Pole
*2 is South Pole.
*1 contradiction of *2.
*3 bull's eye sarcasm

Jeezuzpick:


We should do all rebuke in love, and elders should not provoke young men to anger.

The Bible says that, too, you know. The Bible also said since the same fountain cannot produce both sweet water and bitter, the same mouth should not bless and curse.

James 3:9-11
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

Yet these men regularly place curses on people, and we rejoice that they are doing so. I'm sure you are aware that some of these pastors have cursed even some pastors serving under them among other people they have cursed?

Let us strive to be more and more like Christ Jesus who never cursed anyone nor reviled anyone.

Good job those guys did, by the way, calling Freeze a bastard.

Nice way to win people for Christ.

Sorry I mordified my post which you quoted . I used junuior for senior. You can requote the modified one

HRprof:


How can anionted prophet judge anionted King?
You are a confused man

Elijah judged , Ahab , Prophet Samuel judged king Saul :Jeremiah , Nathan , Micaiah , etc all pronounce judgement On kings in their days