Indeed,there is no point in trying to make heaven.
This life-everything as it is,is exactly the way the almighty God wanted it to be.
I heared talks on destiny-on how God has planned everything that a man will become even before he was concieved.
Heaven is not worth the troubles.
I reckon that people should just live their lives the way they want and bother less about their final destination.
Heaven and hell is the biggest scam of this millenium.
You can argue till you are red in the face.
I'm enlightened already.

God already has a place for you? Lol think again
Of there's a flood now he didn't even have a place for you to rest the night talk less of taking care of you in the afterlife .

thesilentman:
Indeed,there is no point in trying to make heaven.
This life-everything as it is,is exactly the way the almighty God wanted it to be.
I heared talks on destiny-on how God has planned everything that a man will become even before he was concieved.
Heaven is not worth the troubles.
I reckon that people should just live their lives the way they want and bother less about their final destination.
Heaven and hell is the biggest scam of this millenium.
You can argue till you are red in the face.
I'm enlightened already.

If he has planned everything , doesn't that go against freewill he supposedly gave us?

TheSourcerer:
God already has a place for you? Lol think again
Of there's a flood now he didn't even have a place for you to rest the night talk less of taking care of you in the afterlife .

You talk loads of gibberish.

TheSourcerer:

If he has planned everything , doesn't that go against freewill he supposedly gave us?

That freewill concept is a subtle scam.How many times have things gone exactly the way you wanted it to go?Particularly good things.

thesilentman:

You talk loads of gibberish.

I am literally supporting your words .

TheSourcerer:
I am literally supporting your words .

What the heck! sorry i guess was rather too pent-up to digest your post.

But some OP na atheist.

thesilentman:

That freewill concept is a subtle scam.How many times have things gone exactly the way you wanted it to go?Particularly good things.

I just imagined things going the way everyone wants. Then no one would die! everyone would be rich! No fatigue headache or anything wld touch us! .....That can't be the life of this world. That's heaven.

You are always entitled to your own opinion. I am not arguing with you pls.

If God wants me to make heaven (if there's any), He can and will include my name in the list. He is powerful enough to do that.

However, if God chooses to send me to hell fire (if there's any) because I'm an unbeliever despite living a morally upright life, then who I'm I to challenge the All-Powerful God?

"Let God be true but every man a liar..." - Romans 3:4

With regard to hell, the Lord JESUS Himself said "So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 13: 49-50

A defeatist mentality (i.e. "a person who expects or is excessively ready to accept failure." ) is not helpful, rather, hope in the mercy of GOD while it is still today! "The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy." - Psalm 145:8

"Seek the Lord while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near." - Isaiah 55:6, Also 1 Chronicles 28:9

"The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart— These, O God, You will not despise." - Psalm 51:17

thesilentman:
n.
Heaven and hell is the biggest scam of this millenium.
You can argue till you are red in the face.
I'm enlightened already.

I have never seen any scam greater than the concept of hell and heaven (especially Islamic heaven brothel)

ggirl4real:
If God wants me to make heaven (if there's any), He can and will include my name in the list. He is powerful enough to do that.

However, if God chooses to send me to hell fire (if there's any) because I'm an unbeliever despite living a morally upright life, then who I'm I to challenge the All-Powerful God?

perfectly said

thesilentman:

I'm enlightened already.

a truly enlightened soul can never go back to religion.

Many things confuse me in this world, most importantly religion!
I am associated with Christianity but it is full of load of confusion
God is said to be caring, never get angry, will not do bad things, does not kill, etc. Apart from what we can see in our own realities, right inside the so-called word of God you will see that same God getting furiously angry, ordering his devotees to go and destroy thousands of souls. God calls himself jealous God, I often wonders, jealous of what or who? It is confusing.

The issue is baffling, how can an omini everything be jealous of anyone/ thing?

Scientists have come to the conclusion that this Earth had a beginning which means there must have been a beginner.They also believe that space,time and matter came into existence at that beginning.This means that the beginner must be spaceless,timeless and immaterial.If he's outside of time, that means he knew how things would turn out from the beginning even though at the same time man has free will.The Bible says that the Lamb of God was slain before the foundations of the earth/world in the book of revelations.What does this mean?It means that everything that happens on this earth has already happened in God's mind.God is love and if there were no free will, there's no way you would have been able to make that choice to love God or man.Everything would have been by compulsion.Y'all should stop trying to be too logical when talking about God cos if he made you to be able to understand everything,do everything and be everywhere,why would you need Him?

thesilentman:
Indeed,there is no point in trying to make heaven.
This life-everything as it is,is exactly the way the almighty God wanted it to be.
I heared talks on destiny-on how God has planned everything that a man will become even before he was concieved.
Heaven is not worth the troubles.
I reckon that people should just live their lives the way they want and bother less about their final destination.
Heaven and hell is the biggest scam of this millenium.
You can argue till you are red in the face.
I'm enlightened already.

So in summary, you are the kind of person who believes everything people say?

Top6074:
The issue is baffling, how can an omini everything be jealous of anyone/ thing?

Omini-jealous of what?

sinkhole:
Many things confuse me in this world, most importantly religion!
I am associated with Christianity but it is full of load of confusion
God is said to be caring, never get angry, will not do bad things, does not kill, etc. Apart from what we can see in our own realities, right inside the so-called word of God you will see that same God getting furiously angry, ordering his devotees to go and destroy thousands of souls. God calls himself jealous God, I often wonders, jealous of what or who? It is confusing.

the problem is likely because rather than paying attention to the God you claim to believe in, you are instead paying more attention to people and what they say about God instead. You cannot survive that way. Either commit to focusing on God or ... wait... it may be too late for you to drop out. Pele!

ggirl4real:
If God wants me to make heaven (if there's any), He can and will include my name in the list. He is powerful enough to do that.

However, if God chooses to send me to hell fire (if there's any) because I'm an unbeliever despite living a morally upright life, then who I'm I to challenge the All-Powerful God?

He is definitely powerful enough but God will not FORCE anything on you that you do not choose of your own self. Just as He did not force your parents to have you, He will not force you to have Him. You have to choose of your own will whether you will have Him or not. It is as simple as that -- the price to pay is steep if you choose Him.

Kobojunkie:
the problem is likely because rather than paying attention to the God you claim to believe in, you are instead paying more attention to people and what they say about God instead. You cannot survive that way. Either commit to focusing on God or ... wait... it may be too late for you to drop out. Pele!

How do you focus on God without being either a Christian or a Muslim? Traditional religion comes very close to focusing on God of your intuition but in this days being a traditionalist is becoming an automatic ritualist!
The other acceptable two religions that promise to bring you closer to God are more of confusions than true path to God: Christianity and Islam creates the earthly world of hates, killings, murders and chaos with the promise of heavenly bliss! What stupid ideas

sinkhole:
How do you focus on God without being either a Christian or a Muslim? Traditional religion comes very close to focusing on God of your intuition but in this days being a traditionalist is becoming an automatic ritualist!
The other acceptable two religions that promise to bring you closer to God are more of confusions than true path to God: Christianity and Islam creates the earthly world of hates, killings, murders and chaos with the promise of heavenly bliss! What stupid ideas

How do you focus on God without being a Christian or a Muslim?
Well, as concerns the Bible God, He never asked man to create a religion on His behalf... He instead asked, and continues to ask, that man obey Him(Not pastors/preachers/popes/GOs/GBs and the lot). Anyone who takes Him at His word will have to focus on Him in other to truly serve Him with all his mind, heart, body and soul. When you are able to focus all of you on Him as He commands, there will be nothing left to give anyone else or even the world.

Kobojunkie:
How do you focus on God without being a Christian or a Muslim?
Well, as concerns the Bible God, He never asked man to create a religion on His behalf... He instead asked, and continues to ask, that man obey Him(Not pastors/preachers/popes/GOs/GBs and the lot). Anyone who takes Him at His word will have to focus on Him in other to truly serve Him with all his mind, heart, body and soul. When you are able to focus all of you on Him as He commands, there will be nothing left to give anyone else or even the world.

By the time I tried "serving God" by only reading the Bible, automatically I will be termed "a Christian", then I will be told to look for a Bible believing Church to be attending, as we should not forsake the assemblies of others! Then I will have to adopt the doctrine of that Assembly and have to castigate others and soon I may even develope a kind of hatred for other as they are children of paditions destined to hell fire, and what association does the children of God have with that of Belial Bla bla . . .!
Islam and Christianity are the major problems of this world: remove those two and the world will be close to the paradise the two preach!

sinkhole:
By the time I tried "serving God" by only reading the Bible, automatically I will be termed "a Christian",

I am not automatically termed a Christian, not even here on Nairaland and I am here almost 24/7 even.

sinkhole:
then I will be told to look for a Bible believing Church to be attending, as we should not forsake the assemblies of others!

I have not been in a church house to "worship" God in all the years that I came to know God, and the last thing I will ever do is heed the words of men as far as God is concerned. Like I said, you focus on God, not on men and the things of men.

sinkhole:
Then I will have to adopt the doctrine of that Assembly and have to castigate others and soon I may even develope a kind of hatred for other as they are children of paditions destined to hell fire, and what association does the children of God have with that of Belial Bla bla . . .!

I have not had to do any such myself... I don't agree with any doctrine and tradition of men on which religion of men is built on. Matter of fact, If God/Jesus Christ did not say it, it is not law to me.

sinkhole:
Islam and Christianity are the major problems of this world: remove those two and the world will be close to the paradise the two preach!

As I said, God never called anyone to adopt man's religion. He called on people to trust and obey Him and Him alone. If you keep making the choice to follow after the ways of men, you will always remain far away from God and controlled by men and the whims of men instead.

You're far from enlightened

thesilentman:
Indeed,there is no point in trying to make heaven.
This life-everything as it is,is exactly the way the almighty God wanted it to be.
I heared talks on destiny-on how God has planned everything that a man will become even before he was concieved.
Heaven is not worth the troubles.
I reckon that people should just live their lives the way they want and bother less about their final destination.
Heaven and hell is the biggest scam of this millenium.
You can argue till you are red in the face.
I'm enlightened already.

Kobojunkie:
I am not automatically termed a Christian, not even here on Nairaland and I am here almost 24/7 even.
I have not been in a church house to "worship" God in all the years that I came to know God, and the last thing I will ever do is heed the words of men as far as God is concerned. Like I said, you focus on God, not on men and the things of men.
I have not had to do any such myself... I don't agree with any doctrine and tradition of men on which religion of men is built on. Matter of fact, If God/Jesus Christ did not say it, it is not law to me.
As I said, God never called anyone to adopt man's religion. He called on people to trust and obey Him and Him alone. If you keep making the choice to follow after the ways of men, you will always remain far away from God and controlled by men and the whims of men instead.

Good for you in all your decisions.
Can you also allow me to take my decision in peace? Thank you

sinkhole:
Good for you in all your decisions.
Can you also allow me to take my decision in peace? Thank you

What decision? Your decision to continue vainly accuse Christianity and Islam of obstructing your attempts at focusing on God the way God has called for you to?

Kobojunkie:
What decision? Your decision to continue vainly accuse Christianity and Islam of obstructing your attempts at focusing on God the way God has called for you to?

So, you now want to invoke your religious anarchy on me now?
Please, let me be, leave me out of your religious extremism!
You want to read Bible, good for you! I do not want to read either Bible or Koran

sinkhole:
So, you now want to invoke your religious anarchy on me now?
Please, let me be, leave me out of your religious extremism!

um.. That was a question and rightly so since I don't known what you suddenly mean by what you said.

Kobojunkie:
um.. That was a question since I don't known what you suddenly mean by what you said.

As I said, you want to read Bible and I do not want to read either Bible or Koran, am I not clear enough? I do not want to read those two books because they bring nothing to the world other than chaos and destruction while promising heavenly bliss!