@debosky.
So what d u think will happen if city make a £50M bid for fab? I think arsenal will jump on it like a O. Given that he is unsettled with barca trying to pressure him to come and not intending to bid up to £40M.


Adebayo going for £25M was clearly a overpay. Fab isn't worth more than £50M in my opinion. His last season performance will strongly be taken into account, and if that be, it will be only city that will cough out up to £50M for Fab. Ini would cost them more than Fab since iniesta just won †нє CL, spanish league and has on his CV everything Fab can claim (maybe except epl experience). So if Fab is worth more than 50M, Ђδω much will Ini cost? Remember that every player has a price tag.

dipo2much:

@debosky.
So what d u think will happen if city make a £50M bid for fab? I think arsenal will jump on it like a O. Given that he is unsettled with barca trying to pressure him to come and not intending to bid up to £40M.

If we're going by what I think, Arsenal will refuse the bid in the first instance. Then, negotiations could begin till we finally reached a settlement. The most crucial point here is that Arsenal don't want to sell and don't need to sell.

Adebayo going for £25M was clearly a overpay. Fab isn't worth more than £50M in my opinion. His last season performance will strongly be taken into account, and if that be, it will be only city that will cough out up to £50M for Fab. Ini would cost them more than Fab since iniesta just won †нє CL, spanish league and has on his CV everything Fab can claim (maybe except epl experience). So if Fab is worth more than 50M, Ђδω much will Ini cost? Remember that every player has a price tag.

Ini is worth £80m.

Every player has a price tag yes, but if you don't want to sell and are intent on keeping the player regardless, then that price will have to be outrageous for the move to go through.

Air Commodore Muki,

Shey because I fail to come for morning 'drill' , you have refused to do this name change I am still waiting oh . . . . .

Yours Sins-early,
The poster that should be formerly known as Slimshay


Meanwhile at Debo, Dipo and co. . . . .people seem to forget Kaka refused a move that would have made Ronaldo's transfer look like peanuts. Money may look like the be-all but it isnt everything in transfers. Too bad Arsenal is always talking figures. Oh by the way, when will people start dissing Nasri for holding out for more pay?

All you transfer nutters Got this link from "Blogger" from Swiss Ramble;

http://swissramble..com/2011/05/arsenals-transfer-budget.html

Looks at our transfer policy and examines if we actually have the money to get in the necessary players we all want.

As the Away fans sang at Fulham - SPEND SOME bleeping MONEY!!

ENJOY!!

GOONER 89

pointless ramble over non existent money (at least to me the money no exist, i cant see, touch or spend)

plus the thing is too long jare.


good luck to una, when una land 7th on table, we go see the miracle wey go bring money for transfer comot, if at now u cannot get money, i wonder when you will.


so when are we signing our next 6yr old prodigy who will insha allah, win the CL for arsenal in 2025?


FC [b]Ode[/b]nson should really be the name of the club, not arsenal

this part i found interesting. really for all the useless talk of being prudent, its not far fetched to see that actually incompetence and daftness is actually becoming a millstone drowning the club:

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Not only has Arsenal’s deterioration in April and May devastated the club’s fans, but it has also hurt their bank balance. The immediate impact of dropping from second to fourth place means that their Premier League merit payment is £1.5 million lower, but the damage does not stop there, as it also has an effect on money from next season’s Champions League.

The revenue distribution from UEFA comprises participation fees, prize money plus an allocation of the market (TV) pool, which is split 50% between progress in the Champions League and 50% based on the club’s finish in the previous season’s Premier League.

For England, assuming that four clubs reach the group stages, the latter element is divided as follows: 40% to club finishing first in Premier League, 30% for second, 20% for third and 10% for fourth. This year, that process resulted in the club finishing second in 2008/09 (Manchester United) receiving £10.6 million, while the club that finished fourth (Spurs) got £3.5 million – a difference of £7.1 million. This will be mitigated to some extent by the gate receipts from Arsenal’s qualifying match, but that brings other potential problems.

Speaking of the Champions League, Arsenal’s failure to win the group last season, due to pitiful defeats against Shakhtar Donetsk and Braga also cost them dear. First, each win in the group stage is worth €800,000, while a draw brings a club €400,000. Then, if Arsenal had won the group and avoided Barcelona, they might well have reached the quarter-finals, which would have been worth another €3.3 million prize money and €1.3 million from the market pool progress allocation. Let’s assume Arsenal had pulled their collective finger out, drawn the last two group games and reached the quarter-final. That would have been worth an additional €5.4 million (or £4.6 million).

This is all very theoretical, but the point remains valid: a little more effort on the pitch would have brought higher financial rewards, which might just have avoided the need to raise ticket prices. Go figure, Arsenal fans.


Of course, the doomsday scenario is that Arsenal don’t actually qualify for the Champions League group stages. They will be seeded, but could still draw an awkward opponent at an inconvenient stage of their preparation, so it’s far from guaranteed that they will get through – yet another drawback of finishing fourth. If they don’t make it, they will lose out on at least £25 million, not including additional gate receipts.
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now grab ur calculator and do the maths of how much will be lost from persistently parading cheap useless duds vis a vis the odd 12 million signing of players with cojones.

this isnt financial prudence, its STUPIDITY

4llerbuntu:

now grab your calculator and do the maths of how much will be lost from persistently parading cheap useless duds vis a vis the odd 12 million signing of players with cojones.

this isnt financial prudence, its STUPIDITY

wenger can easily make the £25 million back if he sells one of his disgruntled players. i also thought arsenal could have done better in the group stage by topping their group and making more money but then shyt happens. the club is well-run and the only thing missing is a trophy which i am quite sure they can achieve if wenger can instil the belief in his wards.

@4llerbuntu


It is easy to look at only that section of the post and overlook another that shows proper management of the club such as this:

For many years Wenger was effectively fighting with one arm tied behind his back, due to the financial constraints imposed by building the new stadium, but the club now has sufficient funds available to spend again, albeit not at stratospheric levels, without compromising its sustainable model.

or this:

The most obvious tactic would be to sell some under-performing players and add that money to the transfer fund. Arsenal are well-versed in this art, being the only leading club to make money from buying and selling players in the era of foreign ownership (starting from the arrival of Roman Abramovich at Chelsea). Since 2003/04, Arsenal have net proceeds of £3 million, while Chelsea and Manchester City have spent almost £400 million. The “Redknapp factor” has helped Spurs spend £132 million in the same period, though his predecessors were no slouches in this department.

The Swiss rambler always gives good analysis, though he still finds space to knock the club on the footballing side despite giving them reasonable credit for their management of the club through a difficult period.

I remember my sparring with Debo in the last summer about the TPA account and I'm glad on his coverage of it in this article with his inference that it shouldn't be seen as a transfer warchest per say but as something that effectively bankrolls the improvement of the playing side of the club (its core asset) as a whole (Youth development, improved contracts and transfers. He's even added that it could also be used for infrastructure development as well)

My conclusion based on this article is:

1. The estimated amount in the TPA is about 27m and this is an account you can say Arsene effectively has control over (since he is the one who generated most of the money in it anyway by his shrewedness in the transfer market), with our youth project effectively spending anything in the range of 5 - 10m annually, the money to buy the likes of Koscielny, Squillaci and Vermaelen has been coming out of the TPA. We've effectively been selling to buy since 2004.

2. The Swiss rambler's estimates of about 50m being available might be close to the truth and I think the club has to take that step this season to show some more initiative in the transfer market but this is now Kroenke's call to make as he controls the board, I still don't expect us spending anything close to that 50m going by our historical trend but if anything in the region 20m - 30m can be released and Arsene is able to get close to that range for those who are leaving, we can finally expect some long overdue moves in the transfer window (at the most 2 - 3 players in the 15 to 20m range is what I would expect).

Whether that is able to finally land us the elusive trophy remains to be seen. In my opinion the strength of this team will still largely come from players developed within like Wilshere and co.

slimshay:

Oh by the way, when will people start dissing Nasri for holding out for more pay?

another Adepaymemore scenario developing shey?
Nasri would do well to not give any silly interviews at this point in time. but why do our players always do this? Adebayor, Hleb, Flamini and now Nasri. One good season and all hell breaks loose?
He will get it I think, cos Arsene had previously promised to do 'anything' to keep him. Arsene is also manipulating the media as well as he doesn't usually publicise such things and its some sort of pressure on the board and owners to loosen the purse strings as well.

Nasri sef wan jump the sinking ship

How can Arsenal deny Nasri £110k per week?

Nasri would easily earn that at another club

Where? at Chelsea?

comot dia.

Bros, with the likes of Essien copping £100k per week, Rooney £200k, Torres £175k, Toure £175k, Joe Cole £90k. . . I would say Nasri is underselling himself at £110k. . . he should go for £120k.

Ibime:

Bros, with the likes of Essien copping £100k per week, Rooney £200k, Torres £175k, Toure £175k, Joe Cole £90k. . . I would say Nasri is underselling himself at £110k. . . he should go for £120k.

samir nasri at £110k a week because of his 10 league goals and 1 assists? why not pay him £400k a week? sometimes you seem not to know how things work in the premier league. this is nasri's best season in an arsenal shirt and he wasn't even in the top 40 premier league players as far as creativity is concerned. the likes of jarvis, albrighton, joey barton, downing, meireles, ameobi, kalou, dempsey, etc outshone nasri in his bests season yet. arsene wenger is not silly. he must know nasri isn't worth more than £60k.

knock yourself over with this. . . . .http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2010-11.html

So u fink †нє 90k offered Nasri is 'inadequate'? How much does RvP earn? Nasri shouldn't earn as much as RvP.

coogar:

samir nasri at £110k a week because of his 10 league goals and 1 assists? why not pay him £400k a week? sometimes you seem not to know how things work in the premier league. this is nasri's best season in an arsenal shirt and he wasn't even in the top 40 premier league players as far as creativity is concerned. the likes of jarvis, albrighton, joey barton, downing, meireles, ameobi, kalou, dempsey, etc outshone nasri in his bests season yet. arsene wenger is not silly. he must know nasri isn't worth more than £60k.

knock yourself over with this. . . . .http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2010-11.html

By this assertion, Iniesta and Modric should be worth 20k per week.

dipo2much:

So u fink †нє 90k offered Nasri is 'inadequate'? How much does RvP earn? Nasri shouldn't earn as much as RvP.

RVP wages are depressed due to injury status. . .

dipo2much:

So u fink †нє 90k offered Nasri is 'inadequate'? How much does RvP earn? Nasri shouldn't earn as much as RvP.

RVP earns about that too, possibly around 100 on his year old contract, but then RVP never complains about money and I believe he and Clichy are the most loyal players who are passionate about the club, maybe its because the club stuck with him through his injury problems or he is just not too bothered about money I'm not sure.

Nasri can definitely get more than that elsewhere, that is the effect that clubs who are run on sugar daddy money have on wages and why Arsene always says some form of fairness has to come in. City doesn't need to make any considerable turnover and the Sheikh's of Abu Dhabi don't have any books to balance.

dayokanu:

Nasri sef wan jump the sinking ship

Like Ribery also wanted to jump your sinking ship before Munschit showed him the money abi? 

Ibime:

By this assertion, Iniesta and Xavi should be worth 20k per week.

xavi that once recorded 20 la liga assists? you must be a dork. iniesta's steady supply of key-passes also makes nasri look like an amateur.

ahhhhh, the poof quickly replaced xavi with modric and he ties himself further in a tortuous knot. nasri is ranked 23rd in the number of key passes made in the premier league, modric is 10th. nasri rarely makes assists, his key-passes are even lower than his hype and he doesn't score plenty of goals. so where is the £120k coming from?

@Ibime,
I think a Toure is better than a Nasri, no?

What is the justification for £120k?

LOL. Nasri at par with Iniesta?

Ibime, go back into the cave!!!

see all these ones talking, calculating and spending other peoples money

abegi jare, we know the clubs that are serious and those who are merely keeping up with the joneses.


Pls who is going to be the "like a new signing" this summer, abou diaby?

coogar:

xavi that once recorded 20 la liga assists?

Why you dey edit my post? Iniesta and Modric is what I clearly typed there and you dey here dey write Xavi.

FBS:

LOL. Nasri at par with Iniesta?

I think comprehension is part of your problem. I blame the Nigerian Education system!  

FBS:

@Ibime,
I think a Toure is better than a Nasri, no?

Subjective. Comparing apples and oranges.

I would pay more for Nasri personally, cos Nasri is a specialist. Supply and demand dictates it.

Ibime:

Why you dey edit my post? Iniesta and Modric is what I clearly typed there and you dey here dey write Xavi.
I think comprehension is part of your problem. I blame the Nigerian Education system!  

you can blame whatever. That won't help.  Yours is a lost cause.
When nitwits got nothing else to day, they start personal attacks. Go on, we have seen this before.

Ibime:

Why you dey edit my post? Iniesta and Modric is what I clearly typed there and you dey here dey write Xavi.
I would pay more for Nasri personally, cos Nasri is a specialist. Supply and demand dictates it.

modric is even more effective than nasri as their 'key passes' stats clearly show.
i won't pay nasri more than van persie. . . . .it has to be less than the dutch striker which means £80k circa.

^^
Yep. I think †нє guy is too into †нє money. arsenal offering nasri 90k at this point is GENEROUS. Far too kind. As someone earlier posted , we shouldn't be giving him more than 60k. He hasn't done so much to deserve more. If he doesn't accept that BIG 90k, I would have no problem letting him go. We aя̩̥̊ε̲̣̣̣̥ not Man City

More from the reetarded players at the useless club called Arsenal

Arsenal striker Robin van Persie has launched an incredible tirade against Spain and Chelsea players, telling them to stop 'bitching' at officials and get on with playing football.


"They [Spain players] always go up to referees in an attempt to get an opponent booked. They are trying to screw colleagues! That kind of behaviour really annoys me," Van Persie told Sport 1.
"People who are watching the game on television and fans really do not want to see these kind of things. If you want to witness a lot of complaints, you should just go the bakery or something. There's always people nagging there as well.
"Chelsea players are always bitching against the referees. I really cannot understand that. Just shut the f*** up and focus on playing football."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/925383/robin-van-persie-slams-spain-and-chelsea-%27bitching?cc=5901

Jack Wilshere has urged his[b] Arsenal team-mates to copy Manchester United by harassing referees more in order to gain an upper hand in next year's Premier League title race.[/b]
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/924828/jack-wilshere:-arsenal-should-harass-refs-like-manchester-united?cc=5901

http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/design05/images/2011/0531/arsenalplayersrefereemoan20110531_275x155.jpg

dayokanu:

More from the reetarded players at the useless club called Arsenal



http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/design05/images/2011/0531/arsenalplayersrefereemoan20110531_275x155.jpg

van persie blasting chelsea. . . . .little wilshere accusing united. . . . . .this club is in turmoil. i am amazed they didn't point accusing fingers at birmingham fc for denying them a title this season. no single player waves the imaginary card at the referee more than cesc fabregas and these hypocrites are yappin' their mouths.

coogar:

van persie blasting chelsea. . . . .little wilshere accusing united. . . . . .this club is in turmoil. i am amazed they didn't point accusing fingers at birmingham fc for denying them a title this season. no single player waves the imaginary card at the referee more than cesc fabregas and these hypocrites are yappin' their mouths.

Instead of them to face the real issue behind their trophylessness they prefer to blame Global warming and Saddam hussein

e pele o, broda ile okan, shoboleyoke, eke adugbo, oro fo fence, maa fi lo mi daa si, solo makinde.

e joo bawwo lo se kan yin o? won jaa ni ile okan e woo ni tiyin? agbaya oshi , ehn broda dayo? oshisco. e dey ur bodi. dey use panadol for another man headache.


ehen i heard monsieur hooknose talk say im dey find goliath to sign. hmnn laff no gree me siddon. na david him dey sign before? alayi ni nkan shey oshi
,

I'll sidestep the Nasri issue for now. . . .I do believe he will sign.

Considering our apparent lack of funds, there are a couple of targets I'd like to look at in the EPL to join the squad.

Chris Samba - Blackburn
Charles N'zogbia - Wigan
Demba Ba - West Ham

They may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if we have limited funds to spend, I'd go for players who have EPL experience and wil require minimal time to bed in.

The 'unknown' would be Demba Ba - but he has demonstrated a desire and determination in his few months in the EPL. With a more creative side behind him, I'm sure he'll flourish. 7 goals in 12 games for West Ham shows sufficient potential. . . .and he's not another 'kid'?

Thoughts?

debosky:

I'll sidestep the Nasri issue for now. . . .I do believe he will sign.

Considering our apparent lack of funds, there are a couple of targets I'd like to look at in the EPL to join the squad.

Chris Samba - Blackburn
Charles N'zogbia - Wigan
Demba Ba - West Ham

They all have some form of connection with France

debosky:

I'll sidestep the Nasri issue for now. . . .I do believe he will sign.

Considering our apparent lack of funds, there are a couple of targets I'd like to look at in the EPL to join the squad.

Chris Samba - Blackburn
Charles N'zogbia - Wigan
Demba Ba - West Ham

They may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if we have limited funds to spend, I'd go for players who have EPL experience and wil require minimal time to bed in.

The 'unknown' would be Demba Ba - but he has demonstrated a desire and determination in his few months in the EPL. With a more creative side behind him, I'm sure he'll flourish. 7 goals in 12 games for West Ham shows sufficient potential. . . .and he's not another 'kid'?

Thoughts?

Marriage is bringing out the unusually intelligent person in u    

pls add to that list RODALEGGA and KEWYL-JONES, but dont forget that the more non-English players we get into our squad the more it becomes difficult to compete . . .so maybe I would want to factor in signings like Parker and Cahill.

Wilshere knows what he is talking about. . .