dell_net:

@cap28. the fact that there are some age group that have the same ideology from influence of TV.

@kodewrita who is the bogeyman?

you're right, tv is the main instrument of mass brainwashing, notice how nigerian tv is full of meaningless crap which serve merely to entertain rather than educate eg nigerian idol - copied from american idol and the british x factor, koko mansion - copied from big brother - the list goes on.

you also have nigerian modelling shows which are exact replicas of the american ones, plus numerous nigerian music channels which are immitations of mtv, bet and various other western versions - all low on intellectual content and high on entertainment.

Notice how nollywood movies are promoted because very few of them tackle real issues that nigerians should be concerned about ie high unemployment, poverty, abuse of power by politicians, injustice rather the emphasis is on pursuit of wealth or love stories, also religion is used as a safety net to cushion people's feelings of hopelessness, thats why its big business in nigeria.

The idea is to keep people blind so that they remain obedient followers.

dell_net:

@shotster50 The truth, the facts of things not my truth or my statements.

@kobojunkie if you don't have aljazeera in your house you can watch it on http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish. To revert back to the example I gave you and your questions and also the definition of biased. Russia said those airstrikes in that the media were reporting did not actually happen. In the video from libyafeb17.com or whatever, Saif said the strikes where at the oil harbor not cities as was reported earlier by the media. Does this sound like bias to you? I am not jumping back and forth as I have had previous arguments with you on politics, I know it takes a lot to convince you but eventually once you see the facts you get to understand. So watch the reporting and the silly analysis/commentary from aljazeera. Have you seen the earlier reports when the revolution started?

When you have something meaningful to add to this . . . let me know.

@kobojunkie you can't handle the truth, so you are giving up.

A bit of common sense will go a looong way,

practice what you say, boy.

cap28:

you're right, tv is the main instrument of mass brainwashing, notice how nigerian tv is full of meaningless crap which serve merely to entertain rather than educate eg nigerian idol - copied from american idol and the british x factor, koko mansion - copied from big brother - the list goes on.

you also have nigerian modelling shows which are exact replicas of the american ones, plus numerous nigerian music channels which are immitations of mtv, bet and various other western versions - all low on intellectual content and high on entertainment.

Notice how nollywood movies are promoted because very few of them tackle real issues that nigerians should be concerned about ie high unemployment, poverty, abuse of power by politicians, injustice rather the emphasis is on pursuit of wealth or love stories, also religion is used as a safety net to cushion people's feelings of hopelessness, thats why its big business in nigeria.

The idea is to keep people blind so that they remain obedient followers.

YES SIR! YES SIR! YES SIR!, Its always a joy to take
a quick break from business in the office and look at your comments on NL,

cap28:

this well worn argument is one used continuously by nigerian politicians to try and justify why the nigerian govt has failed to provide decent housing, social services, constant electricity, health care facilities and other basic amenities to its citizens despite being the world's eighth largest oil exporter.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html

Are you aware that in 2008 nigeria recorded a surplus of $30 billion in its excess crude account?

what did it do with all this money?

perhaps this story might throw some light on this issue:

so the various nigerian state govts have been unable to account for a whopping $22 billion dollars - are you still going to insist that nigeria's lack of development is due to its "huge" population?

At least Gadaffi actually used his oil revenues to provide housing, decent healthcare and various other social services.  Is it any wonder that you have nigerians escaping nigeria to go and live in Libya.

Really, how do you think the military juntas that misruled nigeria for over 27 years came to power?

Didnt OBJ, IBB and abacha operate a reign of terror? didnt they kill anyone who opposed them? 
Do you have any evidence of Gadaffi subjecting his people to a "reign of terror"?  If he were such a tyrant why did he provide funding to the ANC, the black panthers and other anti imperialist  groups?
Unlike the failed nigerian leadership he modernised Libya and improved the standard of living of his people, what did the nigerian leadership do for their people?

there are two issues here:

did Gadaffi launch airstrikes against UNARMED PROTESTERS? the answer is no, this has since been corroborated by the Russian military who were monitoring all air activity over libya on the day that these alleged attacks were supposed to have taken place.
In addition even the US Department of Defense was forced to concede that such attacks could not be confirmed.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates was asked recently "Do you see any evidence that he [Qaddafi] actually has fired on his own people from the air?" to which he responded by saying, "We’ve seen the press reports, but we have no confirmation of that." Admiral Mullen added, "That’s correct. We’ve seen no confirmation whatsoever."

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4777

second issue:

did gadaffi SUBSEQUENTLY launch attacks on ARMED REBELS: yes, why?  because at this point the libyan govt were no longer dealign with unarmed protesters but an armed insurrection which is classified as treason.  I asked you previoulsly what would happen if armed rebels tried to overthrow the govt of the US or UK and you have not yet given me an answer.

Oh dear ! Oh Dear, i cant believe that people are still trying to
argue you down in this age of instant information.

The libyan Protest has now been turned into "Armed Rebels" that Western Journalist have no problems standing beside literally and giving reports! What a Joke" lol

cap28:

he describes brainwashing as psychological warfare and defines it as follow:

"the ability to change the perception of reality to such an extent that despite the abundance of information no-one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their famililes, their communities and their country".

He goes on to say that it is a great brainwasing process which occurs over a minimum of 15 to 30 years (a generation), he says its divided into four basic stages: demoralisation, destabilisation, crisis and finally normalisation.

The USA went throught this process over aperiod of 40 years


1960's - demoralisation

(Overturn of civil society ie, explosion of drugs, causal bleeping/Saxx, Breakdown of families etc)

1970's - destabilisation

The dollar being de-coupled from gold, Bretton woods agreement
literally being torn up, The over-burden of the social, financial cost of the Vietnam War, Ghettos forming accross america, Industry being crippled due to the rise of South east asia at the time ie Japan, South Korea)

1980's - crisis

High Interest rates as USA Govt tries to redeem Dollar and Economy, Oil Prices Sky rocket 200% and climbing, Increased Ghettorisation of Inner cities, Continued erosion of USA competitive economic base, Expansion of the Military Industrial Complex, Explosion of Incaceration rate, Explosion of Single  Parent homes, Explosion of Entitlement pay-outs as the the post WW2 generation starts to retire,

1990's - normalisation

Well self explanotory as we have a sissyfied generation of males and conditioned populance, and all of the above mentioned points are now just normal everday accepted occurrences.

And it looks like the process is repeating itself again

^^^^^

i agree with the examples you've given, in the clip the guy goes on to mention that in the normalisation stage corporate america ie the multinational businesses merge with the state (the US govt) to form a fascist state similar to what obtained in russia after the revolution, he says at that stage dissent is completely outlawed and rights such as freedom of speech, union rights, women's rights and rights of minorities are revoked. In its place you have a fascist system.

^^^^

just to add to that - he also says that "normalisation" is used in an ironic sense , things dont actually become normal they actually become abnormal, he says at the normalisation stage all freedoms are curtailed or completey revoked, people are stripped of their humanity and become zombies who are not allowed to think as individuals but as part of a collective - he also says dissenters are not tolerated at that stage, therefore anyone suspected or perceived as a critic of state policy is "disappeared".

the 4 stages are illustrated here again by Yuri Bezmenov in more detail:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibTbcEAqppg

I think america and europe are at stage 3 ( crisis) -eg  2008 financial crisis, ongoing rise in unemployment, revocation of civil liberties, legalisation of surveillance on private citizens, suspension of parts of the american constitution, introduction of compulsory ID cards in the UK, creation of national DNA database (UK) and now in america an ongoing case in wisconsin where the state governor wants to abolish collective bargaining rights for  union workers - a right which was created more than 100 years ago.

you can see a gradual movement towards revocation of civil rights and a gradual move towards a totalitarian state.

cap28:

the 4 stages are illustrated here again by Yuri Bezmenov in more detail:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibTbcEAqppg

I think america and europe are at stage 3 ( crisis) -eg  2008 financial crisis, ongoing rise in unemployment, revocation of civil liberties, legalisation of surveillance on private citizens, suspension of parts of the american constitution, introduction of compulsory ID cards in the UK, creation of national DNA database (UK) and now in america an ongoing case in wisconsin where the state governor wants to abolish collective bargaining rights for  union workers - a right which was created more than 100 years ago.

you can see a gradual movement towards revocation of civil rights and a gradual move towards a totalitarian state.

Yeah i guess your are right about that, look what is happenning
in wiscousin as the Governor there is attemtpting to "Outlaw"
Collective Bargaining!. God Help America!. This is kind of like
punching really low below the belt!. If this Governor of Wiscousin
succeds, then other states will jump on board and then it really gonna
be down hill after that!,

What is this cap28 character burbling about?

There have clearly been airstrikes. There is no doubt of that.

What an oaf .

Bastage:

What is this cap28 character burbling about?

There have clearly been airstrikes. There is no doubt of that.

What an oaf .

Illiterate , reading, writing and comprehension in basic english are clearly not your forte, read the excerpt below again and this time try and understand that it is referring to airstrikes on a PARTICULAR DAY on UNARMED CIVILLIANS:

"All war is based on Deception" - "in war, the first casualty is truth"; Sun Tzu's Art of War

The reports of Libya mobilizing its air force against its own people spread quickly around the world. However, Russia's military chiefs say they have been monitoring from space - and the pictures tell a different story.

According to Al Jazeera and BBC, on February 22 Libyan government inflicted airstrikes on Benghazi -- the country's largest city -- and on the capital Tripoli. However, the Russian military, monitoring the unrest via satellite from the very beginning, says nothing of the sort was going on on the ground.

At this point, the Russian military is saying that, as far as they are concerned, the attacks some media were reporting have never occurred. The same sources in Russia's military establishment say they are also monitoring the situation around Libya's oil pumping facilities.

Twit!!

LOL. The Russians monitoring from space have a better take on it than actual eye witness videos taken as the attacks came in?
These aren't videos just from media, they've also been taken by locals.


Do you realise how stupid you sound?

Bastage:

LOL. The Russians monitoring from space have a better take on it than actual eye witness videos taken as the attacks came in?
These aren't videos just from media, they've also been taken by locals.


Do you realise how silly you sound?

You're still not getting it are you dimwit?

did these locals confirm that AIRSTRIKES against UNARMED PROTESTERS took place on the day that the western media said they did?

if yes can you substantiate this with clear evidence as opposed to hearsay?

if not, kindly buzz off.

Cretin. Airstrikes have been confirmed against unarmed civilians.

The date doesn't matter. If he's bombing them now, it's likely that the accounts were true back then isn't it, you dolt.

Your argument goes like this:

"There was no proof that the Holocaust was occuring in 1939, therefore the Allies were wrong about the Holocaust."

It totally disregards strong circumstantial evidence and later historical, factual evidence.

It's like arguing with a retarded child. Get a life.

Bastage:

Cretin. Airstrikes have been confirmed against unarmed civilians.

The date doesn't matter. If he's bombing them now, it's likely that the accounts were true back then isn't it, you dolt.

Your argument goes like this:

"There was no proof that the Holocaust was occuring in 1939, therefore the Allies were wrong about the Holocaust."

It totally disregards strong circumstantial evidence and later historical, factual evidence.

It's like arguing with a not-so-smart child. Get a life.

OH PLEASE! JUST GIVE US THE LINK AND STOP BLABBING. MEANWHILE I GUESS YOU SHOULD DIGEST THIS http://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nlpwessex.org%2Fdocs%2Fshaylergatehtm.htm&ei=H-N9TdeqLsu1hAfE6e36DQ&usg=AFQjCNFcxB0zkScb-mlZws0zykQk7FDbDg AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, GOOGLE "SHAYLERGATE" AND READ UP EVERYTHING YOU GET. THIS IS JUST A CASE IN STUDY AND THERE ARE COUNTLESS OTHERS. WHAT YOU PEOPLE DONT GET IS THAT YOU SEE THIS AS AN ANTI AMERICA/ANTI-WEST AGENDA, BUT IT REALLY IS ABOUT SAYING THE TRUTH WHEN YOU CAN. SOME PEOPLE LACK DEDUCTIVE REASONING SKILLS AND AS SUCH TEND TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES EVERY SINGLE TIME AND QUITE OFTEN THEY FAIL TO SEE THE FINE PRINTS STARING THEM IN THE FACE. FOR SOME PEOPLE E.G DEAR AMERICA AND THE WEST CAN NEVER GO WRONG. IT IS EVIDENCE OF A PROCESS OF SYSTEMATIC BRAINWASHING.

@CAP AND DELL NET, PLS IGNORE MADAM JUNKIE, NOTHING GOOD CAN COME OUT OF YOUR MIND SPAR WITH HER. SHE HAS A HISTORY OF BEING ADAMANT IN HER FOLLY, MORE ANNOYING IS HER NEWFOUND PHRASE "ROTFLOL" WHICH PRECEDES EVERY OF HER COMMENT.

Bastage:

Cretin. Airstrikes have been confirmed against unarmed civilians.

The date doesn't matter. If he's bombing them now, it's likely that the accounts were true back then isn't it, you dolt.

Your argument goes like this:

"There was no proof that the Holocaust was occuring in 1939, therefore the Allies were wrong about the Holocaust."

It totally disregards strong circumstantial evidence and later historical, factual evidence.

It's like arguing with a not-so-smart child. Get a life.

Not surprised you did not get a reply from Cap,