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Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 7:31pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
Good day Car Gurus, I have gone through so much trying to solve a particular problem on a Kia Cerato 2012. 1.6litre, I think from 09-12 use the same engines. I noticed the oil light some months back flickering after about 4 hours journey, after which I parked the car to cool down and had it checked mechanic said top gasket was burnt Paid for a gasket replacement and that was it after, Prior to that, noticed the thermostat wasn't there, as usual the mechanic was tryung to blame it, fan still works with the sensor and comes on when I use the ac, akso I use the car with ac 90% of the time. I have not had need to drive the car longer than 1 hour but recently I noticed the light came back, especially if I run the car with ac and drive for about 30 minutes, slow down or come to a complete stop it appears then goes off once I accelerate. I met a mechanic who cleaned the bottom plate and claimed it would stop. It didn't. I met a Kia specialist who said it would be the the oil pump. I paid for a new oil pump installation and total engine servicing. After a week I noticed it again. He said to ignore the light. As he is sure oil was pumping and there was sufficient oil. Now I felt very uneasy each time I see this light but then after ignoring the oil light for about 30minutes driving around, temperature light appeared and clearly there was overheat, met another mechanic who dropped the top although the gasket wasn't really burnt, grinded it and changed it, water pump checked infact I allowed the electrician connect the fan direct for about a week nothing changed, I've been told to buy a double cell radiator, obviously it's all guess work. U use pure coolant finally the mechanic dropped to engine to check the bearings only to discover some bearings had haves off or worn out, replaced the bearings coupled the engine and with joy feeling our Kong term struggle was gone after running the engine for 2 hours. Oil light is back on. So clearly something is making the engine lose compression. Thus particular mechanic is really good and detailed, he is equally frustrated as he is sure my engine block, piston, top, fan gearbox, oils are all in order. 2 Likes |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 7:36pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
The engine has had 90,000km on the car odometer. Car was bought brand new, other than kick starter, battery, normal maintenance, this has been a problem, I have seen beat up knocked engines rebuilt and works fine for years but this is just unbearable... Also it's an aluminum block Cerato 1.6 litre engine, it's very expensive and buying a new one isn't possible soon and I believe this engine can still work, please Gazzuzz,. Ikenna and other experts in this car talk section help me out, I see people come here and get solutions... |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by MASTAkiLLAh(m): 7:56pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
This isn’t a remote issue again. If you’re in Lagos, hold some (enough) cash and see Gazzuzz one on one. It might be you have to change your engine then again, it might just be a minor issue that’s causing multiple problems. In the meantime, scan for error codes and post here. It would have saved you from throwing parts at the car instead of solving the problem once and for all 1 Like |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by Kampack: 8:15pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
Scan the car. However, that engine block is likely cracked due to the initial overheating. Get ready for a new engine - just speculating though. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 8:34pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
Thanks very much, the thing is I've had 3 good mechanics look at this engine and they say it looks very fine and runs fine, I had the car scanned during all these but I can't find the paper the codes were written down on. After viewing these codes injector mouth nozzles and all was serviced. The problem is the car runs fine till after 30min then the light comes on when I come to a stop flickers and u try to avoid driving up to am hour. After metals/bearing replacement, it extended till 40minutes.depending on usage then oil light comes on and if I keep driving temperature light |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 8:36pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
Kampack: The engine block has been checked no crack at all, I'd scan the car again on Monday. Sadly am not based in Lagos, but in Calabar. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 8:38pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
Also the check engine light hasn't been triggered, just the oil light. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by ZIMDRILL(m): 8:43pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
breezy007: The car has been butcher so many times, its really hard to give advice has any of these mechanics replaced the oil pressure sensor ? you never mentioned it 1 Like |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 9:08pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
Lol. Well it's been butchered for same reason oil light keeps flickering when car is hot. Well the sensor was switched with another same thing happened. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by weyreypey: 9:30pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
breezy007:Contact nurey for advice |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by xtervaganza(m): 10:55pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
breezy007:I'm not a car mechanic oo. But I'm an engineer and I can suggest you change your oil. Upgrade the oil in your engine to something stronger or thicker. Also check your car cooling system P.S having bought my car I realised most Nigerian mechanics are not really engineers. They are just trial and error experts |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by 9icetoo(m): 12:35am On Nov 08, 2020 |
OP, sincerely answer the following questions. 1. What grade and make of oil have you been using to service this car? 2. Do you buy this oil yourself and supervise the servicing? 3. After how many kilometers or miles do you service the car? 4. Has your fan been running direct and for how long? 5. When was the thermostat removed? 6. Did you see the sludge removed by the mechanic? Was it plenty? Did it fill a quarter of the oil pan? 7. Did the mechanic measure the crankshaft before buying the bearings for the crankshaft? 1 Like |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by sultaan(m): 12:41am On Nov 08, 2020 |
If you have changed the oil and filter, what is the condition of the oil strainer. Sometimes you may have to install oil pressure gauge to confirm of you are actually losing oil pressure or you oil pressure gauge is on the fritz 3 Likes |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by EgunMogaji2: 2:20am On Nov 08, 2020 |
sultaan: This. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 5:47am On Nov 08, 2020 |
9icetoo: 1. Total Qwartz 5000 2. Yes. Both oil and filter. 3. I change oil before 2,000 every 2 months if used daily. Most times car stays parked for weeks when am not around. 4. That was connected for just 5 days to rule out the option of fan being the problem. 5. To be sincere I noticed it had been removed at the first over heat. 6. Funny enough there was no sludge at all, like I said all engine components still look good. 7. We took the crankshaft to buy the bearings, also the dealer made sure he gave us the best as I've known him for years, then took the crank shaft to where they they specialize on crankshafts to make sure it was fine and they said it was. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by cluewebhost(m): 5:58am On Nov 08, 2020 |
breezy007: What oil weight is written on the oil filler cap/ in the manual? 20W 50? |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by mh53(m): 6:46am On Nov 08, 2020 |
[/quote][quote author=breezy007 post=95804805]quartz 5000? The weight of that oil is 20w 50 - way too thick for that engine. U made a mistake by using that kind of oil in the first place. I think ur recommended oil weight is 5w 30. 2 Likes |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:47am On Nov 08, 2020 |
breezy007: breezy007: You are loosing oil pressure. Most likely place is from the bearings. Measure the crankshaft again, cut to next size and replace all bearings if not within spec. 4 Likes |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by Ochiske(m): 8:01am On Nov 08, 2020 |
Bikefe is that you? |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by Inception(m): 8:20am On Nov 08, 2020 |
Oga, your crankshaft main bearings are most likely the culprit. Oil pump provides flow, main bearings clearances as per design spec provides pressure. Bearings are not to be changed using trial and error. That engine needs to be torn down again, crankshaft and main block journals inspected for wear, measured to ensure it confirms to spec, and bearing should be purchased using the CORRECT part number as per measurement obtained. It is quite unfortunate that most Hyundai / kia built after 2009 is piece of shi.t. Sorry for the predicament. 5 Likes |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by 9icetoo(m): 12:26pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
Inception:Just like Gazzuzz and inception here has said, do this. Stay away from 20w50 after this. My 1.6l cerrato engine has 170k kms. Use the recommended oil going forward. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by GAZZUZZ(m): 12:46pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
9icetoo: unless he changes piston rings . Currently might have protective sludge keeping the oil burn away. 2 Likes |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by Inception(m): 3:28pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
GAZZUZZ: On point. Only a complete rebuild can assure use of 5w-20/30 without issues. If not I would still suggest he continues with 20w-50. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by 9icetoo(m): 7:47pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
GAZZUZZ:Yeah. That's true. He should do a complete rebuild then. Bearings, rings and oil control rings etc. Should get the engine back in shape. Engines wey 20w50 don kill eh. E plenty. 2 Likes |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 8:02pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Inception: Well mechanics is on it again, i agree with you, these engines just give some issue without trigger. I used an Hyundai accent 09 no issues atall, engine still sound mileage 130,000km and counting. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 8:07pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
GAZZUZZ: Thank you, surprisingly no sign of sludge on any part of the engine, like i said oil change, plugs nozzles tune up were done frequently. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 8:17pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Inception: After the rebuild and test run i would have to make the right decision on what oil to run the engine with as i have seen lots of kia hyundai engines from 1.4 1.6 to the 2.2 litre engines run 20w-50 oil either mobil or total. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by 9icetoo(m): 10:17pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
breezy007:Stay away from 20w50. U no go hear now. I have 170k on the cerrato. E still dey drop water. It has never seen 20w50. Stay away from that oil. Thank you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by diportivo: 11:01pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
9icetoo: calm down on this oil thing one step at a time....let him sort oil his bearings first if he changes his 20w50 at 2k km then think it's fair....aslong as the oil and filter are genuine my elder brother ran his 08 accord for 7 years with 20w50 and nothing happened.....engine was never opened till he sold it the oga dem for here av said only a complete overhaul will make the use of 5w30 feasible.....what if car owner cant afford that for now? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by breezy007(m): 11:37pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Ochiske: Yes Archie. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by Nobody: 6:46am On Nov 10, 2020 |
9icetoo: My Camry 2004 has been serviced with Total Quartz 5000 20w50 and the odometer is over 200k miles. The engine has never been opened and the exhaust drops water. What matters is frequency of servicing. I don't joke with my car servicing. Atimes I do it in month interval if I traveled with the car much. |
Re: Please Help, My Car Has Left Me Frustrated! by HeavenlyBang(m): 7:57am On Nov 10, 2020 |
IkpuNnegiEwu44: I wonder where you people learnt that an exhaust dripping water means the engine is healthy. ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
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