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Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:25am On Nov 16
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Good you say WHEN, because homos will ALWAYS require help to conceive and adopt.

E go shock you when the dynamics change and new techniques emerge that supercede some of the current ones. Again your yeye doomsday scenario na wash.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:47am On Nov 16
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If you are presented with testimonies of people who say they were cured by Jesus, you would accept it, right?

What has that got to do with the discussion at hand?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Heathen777(m): 10:16am On Nov 16
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You are contradicting yourself. You say "extramarital affairs may hurt", then turn to say "no one is harmed". Either you are a liar to yourself or very young and inexperienced. Extramarital affairs hurt, hurt very deeply and even sometimes permanently. You guys were asking for the negative sides of being homo and stating glibly that it harms no one.

I think you misunderstand the meaning of harm, just because get offended or get emotionally hurt, doesn't equate to being harmed.


harm
/hɑːm/
noun
physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
"I didn't mean to cause him any harm"

verb
physically injure.
"the villains didn't harm him"

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Now, it is shown to you that it harms people, you want to shift the goal. Go and tell your mother that you are homo and see if she'll not likely land in the hospital.

In that case, the problem is homophobia, not homosexuality. It is not my fault that anyone decides to be homophobic.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Heathen777(m): 10:21am On Nov 16
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But you were comparing it to a deformity na.

No, I'm not. You misunderstood my initial statement.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 10:57am On Nov 16
Image123:

Go and tell your mother that you are homo and see if she'll not likely land in the hospital.

LoL! What a rubbish argument. There were parents who refused to agree with their children's choice of occupation eg football, comedian, musician etc did that make those occupations harmful? You bring some particularly useless arguments which shows you are not thinking things through, just flailing about like a drowning man grasping straws.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:29am On Nov 17
MuttleyLaff:
Let me, in hindsight, clarify and qualify this for you by saying, biblically speaking, God has no problem with prostitutes per se, but God does mind a category type of prostitutes and this I have already shared what type this is, so to answer your question, it is evident that I dont consider it OK to be any of them sort of prostitutes associated with orgastic temple rites, temple prostitutions, infidelity, sexual sacrifices with the belief that having sex with qadesh/qedesha (i.e. in Biblical times, qadesh are men and qedesha are women, whose quality of life have degenerated to the point of being attached to certain temples, as temple male/female prostitutes engaging in sexual activity thats paid for) brings about divine favour, blessings and/or a new and higher level of spirituality, sexual fertility rites et cetera.

To be clear, you consider it okay to be a prostitute if you are not prostituting for a temple cause? Also, you are of the opinion that God has no problem with people sleeping around with different people that they are not married to outside temple matters?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:36am On Nov 17
Palehair:

Same way you gave religion as your backbone? Yea, alright

At least we are agreed on this, thank God.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:41am On Nov 17
LordReed:


LoL! You must live in a cave were you've never heard of sperm banks and surrogacy. Homosexual couples have those options and utilise them to get biological children. So your doomsday scenario is defeated.

Obviously, they will always need help like we have said. Two gays need eggs, two lesbians need sperm. This is primary school science. Bring your ostrich head out of the hole already. A gay or lesbian couple cannot produce their own child.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:46am On Nov 17
LordReed:


So what if they have aid in getting biological children? Do heterosexual couples not also sometimes need aid or adopt? What is clear is your nonsense scenario of human extinction because of homosexuals holds no water, go suck on that. LMFAO!

If everyone was homo, like i said, there will be no children produced by the couple. It will be extinction. Take one normal couple to a place without human beings, they will populate it and reproduce in multiple folds making a clan in decades. Do same for any two unfortunate gays or lesbians, that will be the end of them in some years.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:50am On Nov 17
LordReed:


So because animals poop, eat and have sex humans should not do same? Are you well?

You sound unwell, my line was very clear and loud. You argue that we should be "natural" like animals. You want homos to be homos if they feel like it, yes or yes? And i tell you no. You can say no to your crazy feelings. You are not only natural by feeling like sleeping with another man. You can be human by choosing to say NO.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:54am On Nov 17
LordReed:


E go shock you when the dynamics change and new techniques emerge that supercede some of the current ones. Again your yeye doomsday scenario na wash.

Lol, two male humans cannot reproduce without a female human intervention. Two female humans cannot reproduce without a male intervention. That is the natural, scientific and logical path. Is that not one of why you disbelieve the virgin birth? How many children have your average homo produced. Let me tell you what heterosexuals are reproducing by the minute. Duh
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:58am On Nov 17
LordReed:


What has that got to do with the discussion at hand?

Everything, and your snaky self knows it but you choose to play to the gallery. Let me break it down to the gallery.

-Can homosexuality be cured?
-If you are presented with testimonies of people who say they were cured by Jesus, you would accept it, right?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 3:03am On Nov 17
Heathen777:


I think you misunderstand the meaning of harm, just because get offended or get emotionally hurt, doesn't equate to being harmed.


harm
/hɑːm/
noun
physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
"I didn't mean to cause him any harm"

verb
physically injure.
"the villains didn't harm him"



In that case, the problem is homophobia, not homosexuality. It is not my fault that anyone decides to be homophobic.

Lol, see you conveniently lying to yourself. Harm is not hurt, lol. You are kidding. Buy a complete dictionary or buy data, it seems your data finished and your page didn't completely load the meaning of "harm". So it didn't occur to you that harm can be mental? Na wa oh. The government has totally finished education in Nigeria sha
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 3:12am On Nov 17
LordReed:


LoL! What a rubbish argument. There were parents who refused to agree with their children's choice of occupation eg football, comedian, musician etc did that make those occupations harmful? You bring some particularly useless arguments which shows you are not thinking things through, just flailing about like a drowning man grasping straws.

Wait until your mum lands in a hospital for you coming out as gay, you will know who is truly thinking things through in the two of us. cheesy grin
It is so common sense, but since you ask for the scientific to prove the obvious, let me give you a tip. i expect you will not misuse and dismiss it angry angry undecided undecided undecided


All men face certain health risks. However, gay men and men who have sex with men have some specific health concerns.

From Mayoclinic

Also from the US CDC. They have different works on similar issues too. No harm to no one indeed. Muttley, you're copied too.

Gay and bisexual men are experiencing rates of syphilis not seen since before the HIV epidemic. Between 2017 and 2018, 54% of primary and secondary (P&S) syphilis cases were among gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men, and data suggest that almost half (42%) of gay and bisexual men who have syphilis also are infected with HIV.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 5:37am On Nov 17
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Obviously, they will always need help like we have said. Two gays need eggs, two lesbians need sperm. This is primary school science. Bring your ostrich head out of the hole already. A gay or lesbian couple cannot produce their own child.

First what does it matter if they need egg or sperm, the child is still biologically theirs. Secondly, techniques are being developed to bypass that need. When that happens I'm sure you'll come out with some other stupìd reason why there'll be a gay apocalypse.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 5:40am On Nov 17
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If everyone was homo, like i said, there will be no children produced by the couple. It will be extinction. Take one normal couple to a place without human beings, they will populate it and reproduce in multiple folds making a clan in decades. Do same for any two unfortunate gays or lesbians, that will be the end of them in some years.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 6:32am On Nov 17
Image123:


If everyone was homo, like i said, there will be no children produced by the couple. It will be extinction. Take one normal couple to a place without human beings, they will populate it and reproduce in multiple folds making a clan in decades. Do same for any two unfortunate gays or lesbians, that will be the end of them in some years.

Does it not occur to you that as things stand any scenario in which the entire male or female population is removed will be catastrophic regardless of the sexual orientation of the remainder? Think things through abeg.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 6:37am On Nov 17
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You sound unwell, my line was very clear and loud. You argue that we should be "natural" like animals. You want homos to be homos if they feel like it, yes or yes? And i tell you no. You can say no to your crazy feelings. You are not only natural by feeling like sleeping with another man. You can be human by choosing to say NO.

The natural like animals is your argument not mine. We have natural instincts and drives, we have learnt to organise ourselves better than animals do, it in no way implies we must cease doing natural things because animals do them also. Homosexual orientation is natural and does not require any kind of cure or resistance, aside from the organisation we have made in our societies. Get that through your feeble mind.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 6:39am On Nov 17
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Lol, two male humans cannot reproduce without a female human intervention. Two female humans cannot reproduce without a male intervention. That is the natural, scientific and logical path. Is that not one of why you disbelieve the virgin birth? How many children have your average homo produced. Let me tell you what heterosexuals are reproducing by the minute. Duh

Again a pointless argument since gay and lesbian couples are having biological children.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 6:43am On Nov 17
Image123:


Everything, and your snaky self knows it but you choose to play to the gallery. Let me break it down to the gallery.

-Can homosexuality be cured?
-If you are presented with testimonies of people who say they were cured by Jesus, you would accept it, right?

This is like asking me can sexual appetities be cured? No they cannot however many forms of ascetics hold them off or repress them. Anyone claiming a cure is either going to be exhibiting self control or repression. There is no Jesus magic that will remove sexual feelings, hetero or otherwise.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 6:49am On Nov 17
Image123:


Wait until your mum lands in a hospital for you coming out as gay, you will know who is truly thinking things through in the two of us. cheesy grin
It is so common sense, but since you ask for the scientific to prove the obvious, let me give you a tip. i expect you will not misuse and dismiss it angry angry undecided undecided undecided


All men face certain health risks. However, gay men and men who have sex with men have some specific health concerns.

From Mayoclinic

Also from the US CDC. They have different works on similar issues too. No harm to no one indeed. Muttley, you're copied too.


Also from the CDC site:

What Gay and Bisexual Men Can Do to Prevent Syphilis

Knowledge is key! Know what puts you at risk and how to avoid and/or lower those risks.

If you are sexually active, here are some ways to lower your chances of getting syphilis:

Be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and has negative STD test results.
Reduce your number of sex partners; however, it’s still important that you and your partner get tested and that you share your test results with one another.
Use latex condoms the right way for every act of vaginal, anal, and MouthAction throughout the entire sex act (from start to finish). Condoms prevent the spread of syphilis by preventing contact with a syphilis sore. Sometimes sores can occur in areas not covered by a condom, so you could still get syphilis from contact with these sores, even if you are wearing a condom.
Get tested – it’s the only way to know if you have syphilis. CDC recommends all sexually active gay and bisexual men be tested for specific STDs, including syphilis, at least once a year, and more frequently for those who have multiple or anonymous partners (i.e., at 3- to 6-month intervals). Visit CDC’s STD testing recommendations page to learn more.
The most reliable way to avoid getting syphilis or other STDs is to not have anal, vaginal, or MouthAction.
Talk about it! Silence helps to fuel the spread of STDs.
Have an honest and open talk with your healthcare provider about your sexual history and ask whether you should be tested for syphilis or other STDs. There also are resources available for finding an LGBT-friendly healthcare provider.
Talk with your partner about sex and STDs BEFORE you have sex.

Are these not exactly the same advice the heterosexual community receives with regard to disease prevention?

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 7:48am On Nov 17
Image123:
To be clear, you consider it okay to be a prostitute if you are not prostituting for a temple cause? ...
"Ah o ma se ooo", loosely translated means "Aw, what a pity" Prostitution is not called the oldest profession for no good reason, lmso.

You havent realised that: "Gbogbo wa lole... Ẹni ilẹ mọ ba, ni barawo" which when loosely translated means "We're all born thieves, but someone the one caught at the crack of dawn, with hand stuck in the cookie jar, is a hardcore armed robber"

Alternatively "All we una, be scammers, na the one wey EFCC catch, be Yahoo, Yahoo convict"

Image123, fyi, there are all kinds of prostitutes, lmso, political prostitutes, careerist prostitutes et cetera. Now, here is the point, lmso, at any time, any person, who willingly uses his/her talent, any part of his/her body, uses gained opportunity or uses his/her ability, amorous ability or not, in a base and unworthy way, usually for money, fame, fortune, position, leverage is a prostitute.

If prostitutes and/or pretend prostitute(s), are in the genealogy of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, then I have no qualms with considering such kind of prostitutes being OK Have you thought about prophet Hosea, lmso, hmm?

Image123:
... Also, you are of the opinion that God has no problem with people sleeping around with different people that they are not married to outside temple matters?
People sleeping around with different people are not displaying the fruit of the Spirit, which as evident in Galatians 5:22-23 is:
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, humility, endurance, gentleness and self-control.

Image123, I am sure that you would agree that one possibly cannot manifest the fruit of the spirit without the assistance of God’s Holy Spirit, lmso. Except if you really don't know what the gospel is, I am also, sure that you would agree that God accepts everyone that manifests the fruit of the spirit, which is: "kindness, loyalty, caring, trusting, loving, faithfulness et cetera.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 10:44pm On Nov 17
LordReed:


First what does it matter if they need egg or sperm, the child is still biologically theirs. Secondly, techniques are being developed to bypass that need. When that happens I'm sure you'll come out with some other stupìd reason why there'll be a gay apocalypse.

The producers of the sperm and egg are the biological parents of any child. That's the result of DNA testing to prove biological parenthood, yes? Two gay men have no egg, they need to get from a woman. Two lesbians have no sperm, or do they? They need to get from another human being, a man.
The point is that being gay is not the natural human way and will lead to a stop of reproduction. They clearly need help, that's the point, not all the fable you are spewing. You were talking deleterious mumbo jumbo, remember?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 10:51pm On Nov 17
LordReed:


Does it not occur to you that as things stand any scenario in which the entire male or female population is removed will be catastrophic regardless of the sexual orientation of the remainder? Think things through abeg.

Did it occur to you that a scenario where heterosexuals are left and homosexuals removed will be catastrophic? Does it occur to you that we should not disregard the sexual orientation as that is the primary thing we are discussing? Think please.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:01pm On Nov 17
LordReed:


The natural like animals is your argument not mine. We have natural instincts and drives, we have learnt to organise ourselves better than animals do, it in no way implies we must cease doing natural things because animals do them also. Homosexual orientation is natural and does not require any kind of cure or resistance, aside from the organisation we have made in our societies. Get that through your feeble mind.

What you need to get through to darkened mind is that homosexuality is a disease as natural as any sin that can be cured. All humans are born in sin and that is clearly taught in the Bible. The argument has been clear, we don't behave simply because animals do so or simply because it is natural to us.
Some people's natural drive is to cheat others, or be clever in a evil way, or to deceive, or to get angry, or to get angry and throw tantrums, or to be amorous and immoral, or to sleep with same sex. They are called temptations. You don't have to fall into them. You can have continuous and permanent victory and cure over temptation by the power of God. Including the temptation to be an hideous gay.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:19pm On Nov 17
LordReed:


Again a pointless argument since gay and lesbian couples are having biological children.

This is madness, lesbian or gay couples cannot have biological children. They need a donor from the opposite gender, duh. One woman's eggs are mixed in a lab dish with donor sperm, then implanted in the other woman. That's the closest they can get. Like i keep saying, they continue to need help.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:25pm On Nov 17
LordReed:


This is like asking me can sexual appetities be cured? No they cannot however many forms of ascetics hold them off or repress them. Anyone claiming a cure is either going to be exhibiting self control or repression. There is no Jesus magic that will remove sexual feelings, hetero or otherwise.

Lol, sexual feelings that were not even in some until they entered prison. While we all have our different tempting tendencies, they don't all remain the same. There are people who have been cured of appetites like masturbation, pornography, homosexuality, orgies, drinking, robbery etc. Jesus cures them all. And of course, like you admitted, many of these things can be naturally repressed, isolated, paralyzed and quashed.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:32pm On Nov 17
LordReed:


Also from the CDC site:


Are these not exactly the same advice the heterosexual community receives with regard to disease prevention?

You claim it is natural and harmless, one says physically harmless. grin grin So i simply show you how very much greater the percentage and statistics difference is. All men face health issues and risks, but the difference is very clear and stated for the homos.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 12:18am On Nov 18
MuttleyLaff:
"Ah o ma se ooo", loosely translated means "Aw, what a pity" Prostitution is not called the oldest profession for no good reason, lmso.

You havent realised that: "Gbogbo wa lole... Ẹni ilẹ mọ ba, ni barawo" which when loosely translated means "We're all born thieves, but someone the one caught at the crack of dawn, with hand stuck in the cookie jar, is a hardcore armed robber"

Alternatively "All we una, be scammers, na the one wey EFCC catch, be Yahoo, Yahoo convict"

Image123, fyi, there are all kinds of prostitutes, lmso, political prostitutes, careerist prostitutes et cetera. Now, here is the point, lmso, at any time, any person, who willingly uses his/her talent, any part of his/her body, uses gained opportunity or uses his/her ability, amorous ability or not, in a base and unworthy way, usually for money, fame, fortune, position, leverage is a prostitute.

If prostitutes and/or pretend prostitute(s), are in the genealogy of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, then I have no qualms with considering such kind of prostitutes being OK Have you thought about prophet Hosea, lmso, hmm?

People sleeping around with different people are not displaying the fruit of the Spirit, which as evident in Galatians 5:22-23 is:
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, humility, endurance, gentleness and self-control.

Image123, I am sure that you would agree that one possibly cannot manifest the fruit of the spirit without the assistance of God’s Holy Spirit, lmso. Except if you really don't know what the gospel is, I am also, sure that you would agree that God accepts everyone that manifests the fruit of the spirit, which is: "kindness, loyalty, caring, trusting, loving, faithfulness et cetera.


You speak a lot of words for such a simple question. Can you provide clarity instead of irony and misunderstanding?
All of us are prostitutes, there are all kinds of prostitutes, prostitutes are in Jesus genealogy, prostitution is not a fruit of the Spirit etc. These are not clear or straightforward answers to the question. You my good friend are dancing reggae here.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 6:10am On Nov 18
Image123:


The producers of the sperm and egg are the biological parents of any child. That's the result of DNA testing to prove biological parenthood, yes? Two gay men have no egg, they need to get from a woman. Two lesbians have no sperm, or do they? They need to get from another human being, a man.
The point is that being gay is not the natural human way and will lead to a stop of reproduction. They clearly need help, that's the point, not all the fable you are spewing. You were talking deleterious mumbo jumbo, remember?
Image123:


This is madness, lesbian or gay couples cannot have biological children. They need a donor from the opposite gender, duh. One woman's eggs are mixed in a lab dish with donor sperm, then implanted in the other woman. That's the closest they can get. Like i keep saying, they continue to need help.

So the gay sperm donor is not the biological father of a child? The lesbian egg donor is not the biological mother of the child? What a laugh. If DNA testing is done whose genes do you suppose it will reveal as the father or mother in either scenario?

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:31am On Nov 18
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Did it occur to you that a scenario where heterosexuals are left and homosexuals removed will be catastrophic? Does it occur to you that we should not disregard the sexual orientation as that is the primary thing we are discussing? Think please.

Did it occur to you that if there were only gays and lesbians they'd still be having children? Put on your thinking hat I know you can do it. LoL.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:37am On Nov 18
Image123:


Lol, sexual feelings that were not even in some until they entered prison. While we all have our different tempting tendencies, they don't all remain the same. There are people who have been cured of appetites like masturbation, pornography, homosexuality, orgies, drinking, robbery etc. Jesus cures them all. And of course, like you admitted, many of these things can be naturally repressed, isolated, paralyzed and quashed.

According to you being "cured" of drinking means drinking is unnatural. LMFAO! Can you see how ass-backward that idea is?

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