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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:30am On Nov 22
MuttleyLaff:
Just as you aren't a liar, you aren't a thief, aren't an idolater (i.e. temple prostitute, in line with the original word used in the original Hebrew and Greek text, lmso), you aren't a killer, so aren't harmless, committed, loyal, trustful in monogamous romantic relationship(s) same sex attraction couples or homosexuals, so I dont see what particularly is all your excitement over harmless, committed, loyal, trustful in monogamous romantic relationship(s) same sex attraction couples or homosexual is about.

i know some liars that are not thieves, idolaters and killers. A sinner needs just one sin to be a sinner, right?

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth on your part if you dont repent because you'll be shocked at seeing them inside the kingdom of Heaven, but you barred from entry for your bias towards them.

i have no bias towards them, you seem to. You're in every homo thread defending them armed to the teeth against anything and anyone along the way. If you cannot see who has the bias, you need to wake up. Like every sin, homosexuality is heinous, hideous and leading the poor sinner to hell. The Word of God says so, not just me.

I know quite a bunch of people though are homos, they individually aren't "a liar, a thief, a fornicator" sic as you originally put it, lmso

Again, one sin makes a sinner. Some fornicators will never steal or kill. Some liars are very loving and caring and gentle too.

Adam and Steve or even Madam and Eve are all four created by God, so what exactly is the vile act alleged in being Adam and Steve or even Madam and Eve, hmm?

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

You are free to quote the part where He created Steve or Madam or thieves or liars in His image.

I am speechless that you aren't aware that mankind was created and is created for companionship.


Of course God made them male and female. He made Adam and Eve, He made Adam and Steve and its Him too, also who even made Madam and Eve. Marriage wasn't even specifically mentioned in first second, third Genesis. As a matter of fact, even relationship, where you find it or deemed fit, precedes procreation. God made human beings for companionship brother, lmso. This is why love and relationship is eternal, but marriage isn't, lmso.


My dear brother, it would have been better, wiser and safer that you remained speechless instead of all these twists and lies to win an argument.

Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

What have you now gained from calling poster(s) names? Does calling poster(s) names make you sleep better at night ni, hmm?

Little Reed riding hood knows very well that i speak about him and his serpent nature, better to mind your business in that area.

I sure wish you take your own "prescribing to others" medicine. I sure wish you biblically, anatomically and physiologically have done your research properly.

Enjoy your "cannibalism, nudity, shamelessness and other animalistic behaviour" rabbit hole. I hope you brought along a ladder to use for climbing out of it. I am not keen jumping into it with you, so its YOYO, lmso

You're smarter than jumping into obvious fire, my continued surprise remains putting yourself in fire for homos. You were busy comparing the Wright brothers to humans behaving like animals or making animal behavior their role models.

You are no less a sinner than homos. We thank God, that, its not you, who is God. QED

Only that i don't do things that are contentious or that the Bible says not to do, right?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:59am On Nov 22
MuttleyLaff:
If you had properly read and clearly thought of what you read in my post(s), you would know that I have seen in so many words, where I've typed that not having a covering all cases blanket OK to be a prostitute.

Try to settle down and read this about 5 to 7 times to determine if it makes any sense or is straightforward and plain enough for people like me or children that don't know big big and long story. We are the majority of who the Bible was written to, not the esoteric.

You cant hide from the fact and truth that God is OK with Tamar, Rahab and prophet Hosea's wife, but He wasn't and isnt OK with cult prostitutes, sacred qadesh (i.e. male cult temple prostitutes/servants) and qedesha (i.e. female cult temple prostitutes/servants). He isn't OK with prostitution practices, used to desecrate the worship and reverence of Him with their distasteful fertility ritual and impurity idolatry sex worship, with sperm consumption being an act of worship et cetera.

Okay, let's cut to the chase a little here. Can you provide us with your source of this information you keep repeating because you seem to base a whole lot on this extra-biblical piece of information against a whole stack of plain and inspired instructions.

You are learning fast, lmso. So you are beginning to get it that something else qualifies the marginalised, that you see as undesirables, abi, when there isn't any unpleasant about them, lmso

Nothing new to learn as it were. They experienced the marvelous grace of God. It was not a qualification contest. It should not surprise you that many in that line are not likely to be found in Heaven. Genealogy is not a ticket to heaven. It is not a qualifier or standard for behavior or holiness, neither is it said to be an endorsement like you want it to be.

From the onset, my standpoint has always been commitment, faithfulness, honesty, fidelity, loyalty, trust, monogamy et cetera

Unfortunately, i know a couple of cultists showing commitment, faithfulness, honesty, fidelity, loyalty, trust, monogamy in their cause.


Prostitutes, in early biblical times speaking, were a problem and nuisance to God, in terms of them being associated with orgastic temple rites, temple prostitutions, infidelity, sexual sacrifices with the belief that having sex with qadesh (i.e. in Biblical times, qadesh are men whose quality of life has degenerated to the point of being attached to certain temples, as temple male prostitutes engaging in sexual activity thats paid for) brings about divine favour, blessings and/or a new and higher level of spirituality, sexual fertility rites et cetera.

Before further comments, kindly provide the source of this findings.

If you are holier than thou and without sin, please cast the first stone, lmso.

Stay on course please and quit all these your straw man mining. You are now jumping off prostitutes to fornicators, lmso. No problem, but whats' your " ... many fornicators not married but faithful to one another" connect with monogamous homosexual couple about?

i mention fornicators for example. i can very well mention thieves, idolaters, blasphemers and other sinners in the same context. By the grace of God, i am without the sins mentioned and will very well point them out in line with the Word of God. They are to repent, i do not condemn them but they should not stay in sin just like Jesus admonished the adulteress not to remain in sin.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 10:06am On Nov 22
Image123:


Then i would have to read about millions of professing Christians to be fair. No, they remain insignificant and inconsequential to what i know and believe. i am okay with the Bible and overcomers like Peter, John, Paul, Apollos and some fine Christians that i have come across. It goes without saying that Jesus is Lord of all and the One to look to. These have preached the Word and will of God and are enough for me. i don't study failures like you obviously do, little wonder why you failed.

LoL. like you they preached this Jeus magic and turned out to be gay. Obvious something was fake either them or the Jesus magic, we have to wonder the same about you. Are you fake or is your Jesus magic fake? LMFAO!
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 10:11am On Nov 22
Image123:


They get cured every other day at the feet of Jesus. Bring them and let's cure them. Why does it bite you at all?

Cured like Ted Haggard, Eddie Long and various other high profile Christians who turned out to be gay? Yeah right. LoL. Doesn't bite me because I know it's balderdash, I am only pointing that out.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 5:34pm On Nov 22
Image123:
i know some liars that are not thieves, idolaters and killers. A sinner needs just one sin to be a sinner, right?
Why you have to introduce, liars, thieves, idolaters and killers into the lives of two easy going, innocent, harmless, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful to each other, committed to each other, truthful to each other, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, is mind boggling.

The bible clearly states not to lie, not to steal, not to have idols and not be a killer, but it doesnt condemn and isnt against two easy going, innocent, harmless, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful to each other, committed to each other, truthful to each other, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them

Image123:
i have no bias towards them, you seem to.
You are prejudiced, intolerant and bigoted towards same sex attraction monogamous couples. You are biased towards same sex attraction monogamous couples while I am impartial to the extent that I lend them my voice, lmso

Image123:
You're in every homo thread defending them armed to the teeth against anything and anyone along the way.
I am not in every homo thread, and you know you are lying for incorrectly saying that. I have an arsenal alright but I am not come armed to the teeth yet here on the thread, lmso. I have fired warning warning shots, but they are just that, they are signalling shots pointing to where error target are.

Image123:
If you cannot see who has the bias, you need to wake up. Like every sin, homosexuality is heinous, hideous and leading the poor sinner to hell.
I very much like you to share your vast knowledge on how particularly is homosexuality heinous, hideous and why it allegedly will lead two easy going, innocent, harmless, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful to each other, committed to each other, truthful to each other, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them to hell.

Image123:
The Word of God says so, not just me.
I dare you point out any place the Word of Go, talks about homosexuality and that it isnt associated with wickedness, cruelty, unkindness, temple sex prostitution, promiscuity, debauchery, idolatry, attempted rape, orgies, inhospitality, so to make me humbly sheath my sword.

Image123:
Again, one sin makes a sinner. Some fornicators will never steal or kill. Some liars are very loving and caring and gentle too
All these (i.e. fornicators, steal, kill, liars) are explicitly mentioned in the Ten Commandments, now which of the laws in the Ten Commandments are two easy going, innocent, harmless, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful to each other, committed to each other, truthful to each other, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them are they breaking please?

Image123:
Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.[/I]"
To start you off with, you see the word "man" there, that I've helped you with emboldened and underlined, in the original text, actually is the "[i]mankind", so replace the nondescript word "man" for a proper word "mankind"

Image123:
You are free to quote the part where He created Steve or Madam or thieves or liars in His image.
So Genesis 1:27, informs us that God created "mankind" (i.e. human beings) in the image of the Godhead, and elucidated that the human beings were created as male and female, of which aside Adam and Eve, Adam and Steve, and even Madam and Eve too are part of.

God even created thieves, like Judas Iscariot or the thief hung on the RHS of Yahsua Ha Mashiah aka Jesus Christ. He created liars, like Simon Peter who denied Christ three times or Ananias and Sapphira who lied to the Holy Spirit. God created all these manner and kinds of human being, no the devil, not anything or anyone else, lmso

Image123:
My dear brother, it would have been better, wiser and safer that you remained speechless instead of all these twists and lies to win an argument.
Image123, beloved, its an impossicant to mute whom God has not muted. I often am biting my tongue, but when I start tasting blood, I speak out, especially at bigots, serial homosexual thread creators

Image123:
Genesis
2:22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man
2:24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Genesis 2:22-25 is role specific to Adam and Eve brother, its not a silver bullet for all mankind or human beings, lmso. Didnt you know that? lmso.

Fyi, Adam and Eve were templates. Where do you think the rest of human beings came from? Drop down from heaven or trees, lmso? Havent you noticed that loneliness, meaning, the fact of being without a companion (i.e. it is not good for human beings to be alone, lmso) that lead to Eve being made available for Adam ni, lmso?

Everyone needs love and are Godly designed to give love back in return, so please don't deceive yourself thinking that two easy going, innocent, harmless, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful to each other, committed to each other, truthful to each other, honest, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, do not love each other.

Image123:
Little Reed riding hood knows very well that i speak about him and his serpent nature, better to mind your business in that area.
I am sure you are capable of rising above calling people names and make your points without having to resort to snide remarks

Image123:
You're smarter than jumping into obvious fire, my continued surprise remains putting yourself in fire for homos. You were busy comparing the Wright brothers to humans behaving like animals or making animal behavior their role models.
"O ma se ooo" loosely translated means "What a pity, he hasn't a foggiest" and I keep telling him that, on that day, there'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth

99% of my comments on this thread, are follow up responses to remarks you first introduced. Case in point, you tried to lump same sex attraction as animalistic, so I shared that human beings mimic animal characteristics, like the Wright brothers studying birds for their flight aspirations for human beings

Image123:
Only that i don't do things that are contentious or that the Bible says not to do, right?
The two people loving each other aren't doing anything contentious and certainly aren't doing anything the Bible says not to do.

You in your contention, rather they dont love each other. You rather they be lonely and have no companionship. You rather they be denied the joy of sharing their love with each other.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 7:20pm On Nov 22
Image123:
Try to settle down and read this about 5 to 7 times to determine if it makes any sense or is straightforward and plain enough for people like me or children that don't know big big and long story. We are the majority of who the Bible was written to, not the esoteric.
I tender my profound apologies for letting my comments ending up topsy-turvy like that

Here it how it should really have turn out:
If you had properly read and clearly thought of what you've read in my post(s), then you would know that I have said, in so many words, where I've typed about not having, a covering all cases, blanket, OK to be a prostitute.

Clearly in my post(s), I have singled out to talk about cult prostitutes, sacred qadesh (i.e. male cult temple prostitutes/servants) and sacred qedesha (i.e. female cult temple prostitutes/servants)

I have shared that, God is not OK with prostitution practices, used to desecrate the worship and reverence of Him with their distasteful fertility ritual and impurity idolatry sex worship, with sperm consumption being an act of worship et cetera.

I don't have a blanket OK prostitution, nor doesn't God have a blanket prostitution OK either, is my response to your "In other words, you consider it okay to be a prostitute"

Who am I to unjustly condemn anyone, when I havent the facts, their circumstances or conditions. I'll rather look after the plank in my eyes, than pointing out the tiny speck in others, lmso

Image123:
Okay, let's cut to the chase a little here. Can you provide us with your source of this information you keep repeating because you seem to base a whole lot on this extra-biblical piece of information against a whole stack of plain and inspired instructions.
I'll make easier for ya. Why not paste here all your biblical evidences of God being against two easy going, innocent, harmless, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful to each other, committed to each other, truthful to each other, honest, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, loving each other.

I am not going bushwhack down extra-biblical piece of information with you, when good old fashioned bible by itself will suffice, lmso

Image123:
Nothing new to learn as it were. They experienced the marvelous grace of God. It was not a qualification contest. It should not surprise you that many in that line are not likely to be found in Heaven. Genealogy is not a ticket to heaven. It is not a qualifier or standard for behavior or holiness, neither is it said to be an endorsement like you want it to be.
Tickets into the kingdom of Heaven comes in form of: Love, faith, compassion, empathy, relationship and hope, lmso. I am more than happy to give verses about this, if for learning purposes, lmso

Image123:
Unfortunately, i know a couple of cultists showing commitment, faithfulness, honesty, fidelity, loyalty, trust, monogamy in their cause.
Mister man, quit the strawman mining nah. We aren't talking about cultist, not about liars, thieves, killers or prositutes. Why mehn cant you stay focused nah.

Image123:
Before further comments, kindly provide the source of this findings.
You havent brushed that side and/or part of the bible where the source and sauces are, and this explains the reason of the truth decay you developed, lmso.

Listen, you are a big man, with strapping strong arms and lifting fingers, you are able, capable and equipped to look after yourself without me needing to help you, spoon feed, or give you anything on a platter. I had to dig under the surface myself. I had to stand on my toes, stretch out to ignore the easy reaching low hanging fruit, so here's the deal, you want to know the source, salt, pepper, ingredients and sauce, then you'll have to do the work yourself. This is how to have some idea of what the "source of this findings" sic is. Search on Nairaland using this
"MuttleyLaff male shrine prostitutes" search string, then fill your boots, lmso. Best wishes, no risk, no gain. Fortune favors the brave, lmso

Image123:
i mention fornicators for example. i can very well mention thieves, idolaters, blasphemers and other sinners in the same context. By the grace of God, i am without the sins mentioned and will very well point them out in line with the Word of God.
By the grace of God, they too, just as like you made sure everyone gets to know about you, are without those sins you listed and/or mentioned

Image123:
They are to repent, i do not condemn them but they should not stay in sin just like Jesus admonished the adulteress not to remain in sin.
Is it just to change from giving love and receiving love back in return? Why not mind the wooden plank in your eyes, instead jeering at tiny specks in others eyes, eh?

C'mon Image123, did Jesus specify what sin the adulteress should not remain in or its just you taking wild guesses what particular sin Jesus referred to, lmso.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 7:23pm On Nov 22

Tread carefully.
Dont quote my post, the first of the two immediately above this one, or you might get rewarded with a posting ban.
Dont anyone say, I didnt warn you.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Phraences: 8:40pm On Nov 22
I really wish Jesus had addressed Homosexuality in the New Testament. All this confusion would have been reduced.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 8:55pm On Nov 22
Phraences:
I really wish Jesus had addressed Homosexuality in the New Testament.
If you look deeper with a holy curiosity, you soon will notice that He actually did address homosexuality in the New Testament.

Phraences:
All this confusion would have been reduced.
... and there isnt any confusion anywhere. Havent you read that, God, is not a God of confusion. Its actually some who dont want peace that are causing unwarranted commotion (i.e. 1 Corinthians 14:33)
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:59pm On Nov 22
LordReed:


LoL. like you they preached this Jeus magic and turned out to be gay. Obvious something was fake either them or the Jesus magic, we have to wonder the same about you. Are you fake or is your Jesus magic fake? LMFAO!

Keep wondering. There are hundreds of thousands of people who preach and claim to believe the Bible. You cannot take the best, you decide to take the scandalous to deceive and pat yourself. You're no different from the failure looking for his specialist mates in failure and ignoring the excellent students.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 12:07am On Nov 23
LordReed:


Cured like Ted Haggard, Eddie Long and various other high profile Christians who turned out to be gay? Yeah right. LoL. Doesn't bite me because I know it's balderdash, I am only pointing that out.

Let's play this foolery properly. Name 10 "high profile" (whatever that means) gay Christians and i will name 50 known respectable Christians for every 10. You did not find the 12 foundation disciples to name and copy. You did not find Jesus or Paul to name and follow. It is failures like yourself that you are presenting as model Christians. Not strange from a proponent of animalistic behavior being the way forward.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 12:42am On Nov 23
@Muttley. You and long posts seem inseparable. Lol.
Liars, thieves, idolaters and killers are sinners with homos, they are in the same boat of shame. The bible clearly and several times condemns homosexuality, even Paul says they are not normal. It is abnormal and crazy for man to leave woman and instead be lusting after a fellow man,things that people should be ashamed about.
Homosexuality like every other sin is heinous and hideous. Sin lands people in hell, the wage of sin is ultimately hell. Do the math.

Homosexuality is of course associated with sins like wickedness, cruelty, unkindness, temple sex prostitution, promiscuity, debauchery, idolatry, attempted rape, orgies in the Bible as you rightly submit. This is enough reason to sanely abstain from it and not go headlong in its defense, even repeatedly throwing me into hell and teeth gnashing ahead of it. SMH.

Jesus often referred to man's beginning as a template and pattern to follow in tandem with God's will. We have clearly seen that the beginning had no Male and male marriage or Madam and Eve, but clearly heterosexual. Homos are to repent and find love, marriage and companionship in the set pattern from the beginning. There are many like them who have done this. Some homos straddle by being bisexual. So, even humanly, there is the possibility. Not to mention what the exceeding grace of God can do.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 1:54am On Nov 23
As to your second post Muttley. Saying something is wrong or a sin doesn't equal condemnation. Homosexuality is a sin, fornication is a sin, pride is a sin, wickedness is a sin. Anyone doing these things should repent. There is no condemnation in that. If i judge them ahead and exclude them from repentance is what is condemnation.
You decided not to tell us your source of repeated extra biblical information. Are you shy or developing cold feet?
i didn't start the strawman mining, i only helped you mine further as my friend so you can see and stop mining. Talking about homos having good parts is no different from talking about a killer with a good and sincere heart or nice and generous side.

So, you think it unnecessary to mention your source that you have hanged all your homo love on, but want me to go and be searching your posts for it. Lol, hold it and try not to repeatedly bore me with it. Give me the Bible like you want to start suggesting.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 5:56am On Nov 23
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:05am On Nov 23
Image123:


Let's play this foolery properly. Name 10 "high profile" (whatever that means) gay Christians and i will name 50 known respectable Christians for every 10. You did not find the 12 foundation disciples to name and copy. You did not find Jesus or Paul to name and follow. It is failures like yourself that you are presenting as model Christians. Not strange from a proponent of animalistic behavior being the way forward.

High profile means stuff about them is visible to the public and can be more easily verified. Don't tell me about one Ajala on your street or one Chinedu you met somewhere. So go ahead mention 50 "high profile" formerly gay christians.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:08am On Nov 23
Image123:


Keep wondering. There are hundreds of thousands of people who preach and claim to believe the Bible. You cannot take the best, you decide to take the scandalous to deceive and pat yourself. You're no different from the failure looking for his specialist mates in failure and ignoring the excellent students.

If a purported excellent student in physics fails his physics exam should we not question his excellence? LMFAO! You claim your Jesus magic cures gays when it fails to do so spectacularly you say we should look away. Bwahahahahaha!
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:33am On Nov 24
LordReed:


If a purported excellent student in physics fails his physics exam should we not question his excellence? LMFAO! You claim your Jesus magic cures gays when it fails to do so spectacularly you say we should look away. Bwahahahahaha!

And who is the purported excellent student when we have Jesus and the apostles? What should we call those ones? Why should we turn blind eye to them and have fits on purported excellent students?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:36am On Nov 24
LordReed:


High profile means stuff about them is visible to the public and can be more easily verified. Don't tell me about one Ajala on your street or one Chinedu you met somewhere. So go ahead mention 50 "high profile" formerly gay christians.

Can't do without being the snake you are, right? Play the yeye game of foolery properly, you can read. Name 10 "high profile" (whatever that means) gay Christians and i will name 50 known respectable Christians for every 10.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 4:24am On Nov 24
Ihedinobi3:


As far as Christians are concerned, it is the wrong way to use the human body. That is what makes it bad. God did not design the body to be used that way.

God didn't design the fingers to play pianos but here we are. Anything that can happen, happens because the laws of nature allow it. You can't move faster than light because the universe doesn't allow it.

Everything is natural, because it happens under the laws of nature. This doesn't make these things good or bad. That is subjective. The lion that kills the deer has found a good meal, the deer has lost its life. This isn't objectively good or bad just natural.

You can carry on with your other arguments but there's no way to claim that something that happens in nature isn't natural

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 4:41am On Nov 24
Image123:


Abi you don't understand the big vocabulary you use ni? Homosexuality is the exact example of deleterious, being harmful in a subtle way. Apparently, it deleted Sodom and Gomorrah BTW cheesy cheesy. If everyone was homo for instance, the human race would be extinct soon enough, right or right? Not to mention it's odious effect on family life, danger to existence of children, stress and anxiety on the psyche of loved ones and the society grin, increase in crime and depression caused by hearing someone is a homo. It's traumatic to the society.

I pray the God that deleted S and G can delete our homosexual communities in today's society.
I'm curious why he doesn't
God please, hundreds of thousands of children die each day from poverty but please kill gays instead of helping these kids

It's sad that hearing about homosexuality causes so much pain and suffering to you and society, I can only imagine how much more pain and suffering those that get disowned and ostracized for being gay get to experience.
Apparently it causes some other people pain knowing that men like women.

I'm curious about the increase in crime, can you please send me a link
Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 4:51am On Nov 24
Ihedinobi3:


I asked questions several times and in different ways, LordReed, and you accused me of playing dumb.

I don't see the difference between your argument about homosexuality here and how I stated it earlier.

I think that your claim about the effects of homosexuality on the human community is both ignoring the obvious and assuming perfect knowledge of humanity, both of which make me unwilling to accept its validity. Obviously, homosexual relationships limit the perpetuation of the human race since it ties up reproductive resources. That is deleterious in nature. Since, also, you cannot know humanity perfectly, it is entirely possible that there are other deleterious effects that you are failing to reckon. For one thing, if homosexuality is truly evidencing insanity, then it may be tied to other deleterious effects that are not immediately apparent to you. So, it is not a comparison of apples and oranges.

Umm
Actually, reproductive/genetic success is measured by how much of your genes make it to the next generation

A child has 50% of your genes, a nephew has 25%
A gay person who supports the raising of two nephews or nieces is as successful, mathematically speaking as someone who has a child and their genes remain on the gene pool

This is how they have endured in the gene pool for all of human history and will continue to do so

I'm also assuming you know of epigenetics, which is basically the software our genes run on and it keeps certain traits inactive or turns them on depending on the circumstance

This allows for the 'gay genes' to be present in more individuals than exhibit the traits. And prenatal maternal conditions determine which genes get expressed

Homosexuality allowed for less males going off to fight and die in wars, allowed them to help the raising of children rather than contributing to possible over populations

Now I know you are sceptical about information from the web, but I am not sure how you have educated yourself this far, perhaps try researching on the sources you trust about these same claims ii have made.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 5:01am On Nov 24
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i don't fear homos, i pity them. Being an homo is as natural as being a liar, a thief, a fornicator etc They are all curable at the feet of calvary and people have been cured. Even naturally like you affirmed, the vile act can be subdued. What you have to get through that snake head of yours is that you don't have to be a homo BECAUSE animals do it.

But why does God inflict them with homosexuality in the first place
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 5:03am On Nov 24
artofphil:


I pray the God that deleted S and G can delete our homosexual communities in today's society.
I'm curious why he doesn't
God please, hundreds of thousands of children die each day from poverty but please kill gays instead of helping these kids

It's sad that hearing about homosexuality causes so much pain and suffering to you and society, I can only imagine how much more pain and suffering those that get disowned and ostracized for being gay get to experience.
Apparently it causes some other people pain knowing that men like women.

I'm curious about the increase in crime, can you please send me a link

You need repentance not links. Apparently, you found no holes to dig. Keep searching.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 5:04am On Nov 24
artofphil:


But why does God inflict them with homosexuality in the first place

Did He? Tell us about it already.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 5:08am On Nov 24
artofphil:


Homosexuality allowed for less males going off to fight and die in wars, allowed them to help the raising of children rather than contributing to possible over populations


Ladies and gentlemen, here are the comic advantages of homosexuality in the society in case you ever wondered.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 5:11am On Nov 24
Ihedinobi3:


Your argument provides the evidence for the futility of debates between atheists and Christians. We don't share fundamental appreciations of reality. When you ask who decides what constitutes a moral matter, the answer is obviously God for the Christian, but for you atheists, it could be yourself, the state, or the flying spaghetti monster whenever it takes your fancy. So, where do we go from there? We don't agree on how the human body came into existence, so we cannot agree on who or what has the right to dictate its use. So, we might as well forego the debate.

My argument is consistent within itself. It just isn't compatible with your worldview, and that does not make it wrong. It only makes it unacceptable to you and others who share your worldview. So, while indeed writing is not a moral matter in the Christian worldview, sexuality very much is. Therefore, even though it is not wrong in and of itself to use the body in an alternative way in some neutral matter, using it in a different way than dictated by God in moral matters is wrong.

I guess a better way to discuss this is not to focus the acts carried out but the source of the desire to carry out said acts.

Everyone is tempted to lie or cheat or fornicate, we know this comes from our human nature. However not everyone is tempted to lust over the same sex.

Seeing as this tendency to lust over the same sex has happened for all of human history across separate isolated communities, where do you think the source of this behaviour comes from

I'm tempted to believe it's intrinsically tied to our human nature. And you get a percentage of homos vs heteros. Again this occured in communities that never interacted with one another.

If we can agree that this stems from natural causes, i.e genes and the human condition, how can we even begin to regard it has unnatural?

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 5:13am On Nov 24
Image123:


Did He? Tell us about it already.

Replied someone else above
Will paste here:


Seeing as this tendency to lust over the same sex has happened for all of human history across separate isolated communities, where do you think the source of this behaviour comes from

I'm tempted to believe it's intrinsically tied to our human nature. And you get a percentage of homos vs heteros. Again this occured in communities that never interacted with one another.

If we can agree that this stems from natural causes, i.e genes and the human condition, how can we even begin to regard it has unnatural?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 5:13am On Nov 24
Image123:


Ladies and gentlemen, here are the comic advantages of homosexuality in the society in case you ever wondered.

Wonderful isn't it

What would we do without them
Re: Christianity And LGBT by artofphil(m): 5:16am On Nov 24
Image123:


You need repentance not links. Apparently, you found no holes to dig. Keep searching.

I tried repentance, wasn't as enlightening as links. I'll stick to links grin

Yh I found no holes sadly, if I was gay I could have dug another man's hole, but here we are.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 5:36am On Nov 24
artofphil:


I tried repentance, wasn't as enlightening as links. I'll stick to links grin

Yh I found no holes sadly, if I was gay I could have dug another man's hole, but here we are.

Keep searching or try harder.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 5:37am On Nov 24
artofphil:


Wonderful isn't it

What would we do without them

Who knows, the world would literally end.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 5:40am On Nov 24
artofphil:


Replied someone else above
Will paste here:


Seeing as this tendency to lust over the same sex has happened for all of human history across separate isolated communities, where do you think the source of this behaviour comes from

I'm tempted to believe it's intrinsically tied to our human nature. And you get a percentage of homos vs heteros. Again this occured in communities that never interacted with one another.

If we can agree that this stems from natural causes, i.e genes and the human condition, how can we even begin to regard it has unnatural?

You came late bros. We left that chapter since, read through maybe. The summary is simple, all have sinned and come short of God's glory. Sin is natural, that's the point of being born again in the first place.

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