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Some Of The Difference Between God & Allah / #plstellooni: the GOD Of The Yorubas -(Olodumare) Is Not The Same god, The Jews / God,Allah Do We All Serve Same God? (2) (3) (4)

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Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 8:44pm On Apr 12, 2011

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 8:45pm On Apr 12, 2011

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by thehomer: 8:45pm On Apr 12, 2011

Deep Sight:

Lol, my essential idea? I did not do the write-ups on these wiki pages, you know. And you are well aware that the ideas herein are the ideas that these different people in fact do express.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olodumare

These are not my ideas, son.

Anyway, you repetitive posts -
- - - Are more than enough to show just how tired you are of me. I get the message. I go leave am. Ciao.

Go back and read the basis of the various God conceptions. They are inherently contradictory. This logically demonstrates that they must be more than one.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 8:46pm On Apr 12, 2011

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 8:47pm On Apr 12, 2011

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 8:48pm On Apr 12, 2011

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Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by DeepSight(m): 2:04pm On Apr 13, 2011

Aribisala. There is no need to spam the thread. I have left the discussion alone, have I not.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by MyJoe: 2:33pm On Apr 13, 2011

^^^

That's a passionate plea!

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 2:40pm On Apr 13, 2011

are you begging officially cheesy

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by olasesi(m): 4:22pm On Apr 14, 2011

they are all the same (God) except that different religion give him different(sometimes conflicting) attributes nd features
it is Allah to the muslims as they see him as the lord,the independent being, beggeter of no one, the most compassionate etc.
"God" is just the english name so we reallly cant say the christians call him God, every other english speaking person call him "God", olodumare by traditional believers based on some attributes.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by vedaxcool(m): 4:06pm On Apr 15, 2011

ALLAH in the Qur'an refutes the foolish notion that there is more than one GOD

[size=18pt]If there were, in the heavens - And the earth, other gods - Besides Allah, there would - Have been confusion in both! - But glory to Allah, - The Lord of the Throne: - (High is He) above - What they attribute to Him!" [Al-Qur’an 21:22][/size]

the interpretation is simple; if there was Oludumare that is the god of the Yoruba, allah the god of the arabs, chineke the god of the Igbos . . . the whole universe will fall into a sort of divine war, where every other god will be fighting over turfs and influence yet there is no such war because only ALLAH is the Supreme being, the Creator, the Evolver, the Sustainer, the Beneficent, the Lord of all that exist, . . ., that exist, that is when you see an atheist pose as an expert in divinity one should simply grin

, that fellow must be besides himself. The Muslims view remains consistent with this verse, people tend to worship ALLAH wrongly i.e. by associating things that have no right to be worshipped, this brings us to the story of Ibrahim:

I can't lay my hands on the actual verse in the Qur'an, but the story goes like this; Ibrahim wonder why his people worshipped things that could not interact with, hence one day when his people were not around , Ibrahim took an axe and destroyed the smaller idols and place the axe on the Largest idol, when his dad returned his father asked Ibrahim who destroyed the idols, Ibrahim told him why don't you ask the biggest Idol why, his father replied how do you want me to ask the the idol when you know it cannot speak, . . ., so also is the situation of those who worship idols, they worship a thing that cannot even speak back to them nor defend itself when being attack. Hence because a being is associated with the SUPREME BEING it nevers alters the fact of that the SUPREME BEING is one.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 5:25pm On Apr 15, 2011

and what about those. of us who don't accept the quran or bible .
quoting from it may make plenty of sense to you but not to me. this is a public discussion not a mosque quoti ng from your religious books is irrelevant here.please let us not go there.as far as i am concerned they are not the same.allah is very clear that he wants you to learn arabic and yoruba is inferior to arabic .olodumare preferred yoruba messengers not muhammad. i thnk we all see it differently and no one is going to change their mind.

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Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by thehomer: 11:28pm On Apr 15, 2011

The wars have been fought and one particular seems to keep losing against the other Gods. He was beaten by Brahman in the several wars involving India, he was beaten by Jehovah in wars involving Israel and the United States.
So, who knows? Maybe the divine conflict has already been decided among the Gods.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Sweetnecta: 2:34am On Apr 16, 2011

aribisala0 thinks Olodumare as a name belongs to the idolatry. he conveniently forgets that it is a yoruba word, that is used for that 'Worship' being.

we in Islam say the Name stands for Allah in yoruba expression. the christians will say it stands for their biggest entity in the trinity. if there is a jew who has yoruba heritage, the same name will stand for Who they say is their God.

if aribisala0 worships his wife, that wife is his olodumare. believe it or not.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 7:13am On Apr 16, 2011

@sweetnecta
i do not see any evidence of the intellectual resources with you determine what i think .idolatry is a term you need to define if you must use it here.people like you believe your beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong.stop and think if you do not want anyone to insult your prophet and your islam don't insult others .you believe a thing to be an idol is your right keep that to your mosque and among other moslems.it behoves you to keep that to yourself not come to the public and abuse legitimate beliefs you disagree with .out of respect i do not go about saying what i really think of your mohammed and islam.

we have carried on this thread without personal remarks let us keep it that way.i am not really interested in you personally so i don't understand your iinterest in my wife.you claim to practice a religion of peace and somehow trouble always looks for and finds you

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by PastorAIO: 11:01am On Apr 16, 2011

Would prostating before a black stone be considered idolatry?

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by PastorAIO: 11:08am On Apr 16, 2011

vedaxcool:

ALLAH in the Qur'an refutes the foolish notion that there is more than one GOD

[size=18pt]If there were, in the heavens - And the earth, other gods - Besides Allah, there would - Have been confusion in both! - But glory to Allah, - The Lord of the Throne: - (High is He) above - What they attribute to Him!" [Al-Qur’an 21:22][/size]

the interpretation is simple; if there was Oludumare that is the god of the Yoruba, allah the god of the arabs, chineke the god of the Igbos . . . the whole universe will fall into a sort of divine war, where every other god will be fighting over turfs and influence yet there is no such war because only ALLAH is the Supreme being, the Creator, the Evolver, the Sustainer, the Beneficent, the Lord of all that exist, . . ., that exist, that is when you see an atheist pose as an expert in divinity one should simply , that fellow must be besides himself. The Muslims view remains consistent with this verse, people tend to worship ALLAH wrongly i.e. by associating things that have no right to be worshipped, this brings us to the story of Ibrahim:

I can't lay my hands on the actual verse in the Qur'an, but the story goes like this; Ibrahim wonder why his people worshipped things that could not interact with, hence one day when his people were not around , Ibrahim took an axe and destroyed the smaller idols and place the axe on the Largest idol, when his dad returned his father asked Ibrahim who destroyed the idols, Ibrahim told him why don't you ask the biggest Idol why, his father replied how do you want me to ask the the idol when you know it cannot speak, . . ., so also is the situation of those who worship idols, they worship a thing that cannot even speak back to them nor defend itself when being attack. Hence because a being is associated with the SUPREME BEING it nevers alters the fact of that the SUPREME BEING is one.

I find it fascinating that Allah would refer to himself in the 3rd person.

Anyway, I am aware of the story of Ibrahim and the idols too. What I haven't had an answer for yet is when I apply the same moral towards muslims. If someone insults Allah or Mohammed why doesn't lightening flash from the sky to kill the person. The only danger is that moslims will try to kill the guy. Can Allah and Mohammad not fight for themselves?

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by aribisala0(m): 11:27am On Apr 16, 2011

pastor i think we need to respect each other. it is possibleto debate without polemic

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Sweetnecta: 12:17pm On Apr 16, 2011

PAstorAio finally shows his true color.

if you know anything about any royalty, you will know that reference to oneself in the third person is normal. A friend of mine told me a story of a certain yoruba king who called his younger brother about the young man's fiancee who happens to be the king's secretary.

the king said 'kabiyesi' lo nsoro o, when he introduced himself. in the conversation, he used 'awa' for himself liberally.

And as for why Allah Will not immediately kill or strike a person like you who insults Him, Islam or Muhammad [as], is because there is a Day of reckoning. Allah is so merciful that your master shaytan is allowed to live even until after the death of the last 'child' of our common father Adam [as].

for you a son of Adam, you are given the 'chance' to repent. but if your 'ifa' arrogance will continue to waylay you then, wait for the end time; you will surely know what awaits arrogance. i do not say arrogant in your case, but arrogance because it becoming you, relishing in the quality of arrogance will definitely receive the full measure of it value.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by PastorAIO: 4:46pm On Apr 16, 2011

Sweetnecta:

PAstorAio finally shows his true color.

if you know anything about any royalty, you will know that reference to oneself in the third person is normal. A friend of mine told me a story of a certain yoruba king who called his younger brother about the young man's fiancee who happens to be the king's secretary.

the king said 'kabiyesi' lo nsoro o, when he introduced himself. in the conversation, he used 'awa' for himself liberally.

And as for why Allah Will not immediately kill or strike a person like you who insults Him, Islam or Muhammad [as], is because there is a Day of reckoning. Allah is so merciful that your master shaytan is allowed to live even until after the death of the last 'child' of our common father Adam [as].

for you a son of Adam, you are given the 'chance' to repent. but if your 'ifa' arrogance will continue to waylay you then, wait for the end time; you will surely know what awaits arrogance. i do not say arrogant in your case, but arrogance because it becoming you, relishing in the quality of arrogance will definitely receive the full measure of it value.

Excuse my poor yoruba, but I thought that 'awa' was the first person plural.

We (pronounced /wiː/) is the first-person, plural personal pronoun (subject case) in Modern English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We

My knowledge of royalty is also limited so could you give me an example in arabic language where the third person is used by a royal to refer to himself.

And finally, I want to ask: As it ever occurred to you that maybe the idols in the black stone will respond on their day of reckoning too. What is good for the gander must be good for the goose. If immediate response is required of idols then why not of Allah. Or are Idols endowed with more alacrity than Allah.

If it is a matter of day of reckoning then why don't all those murderous muslim just bide their time.
Me o, I am firmly of the belief that each and every god should be able to stand for himself and fight for himself. And also speak for himself. Ibrahim asked his father to talk to idol which didn't answer. Please you will have to tell me the day that you spoke to Allah and allah answered you to explain why he didn't bless you with intelligence or courtesy.

Abeg also hellep me to explain, or ask your allah if you don't know the answer and we will see if he can answer that one, how come Ibrahim who is a native of Ur of the Chaldees in Mesopotamia, how come he and his people are dealing with a black stone in Mecca. Even his father is there sef. Please ask allah for me, and tell me what is his answer.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Sweetnecta: 6:26pm On Apr 17, 2011

^^^^^^ Before you jump on my parents [it is least of my worries since you are insulting your Creator], based on your history that i have read when you get angry, you asked for a third person; singular, i gave you a yoruba king on the phone saying 'kabiyesi' is on the line. thats a third person singular. this is similar to He, Him, His of Allah. and before he finished he said 'awa'. thats a first person plural. this is similar to Our, We of Allah.

however where ever you see We, Our, Allah will identify Himself by Name or use I, Me, etc to let it be clear to all that Only Himself is in the We, Our.

there is no place they, them third person[s] plural have been used to include Allah in the Quran. never, ever.

Pastoraio; this is my last response to you until you acquire good matters. omo yoruba nie.

Allah use Nahnu for Himself in the We. there is no one with Him when He uses the Nahnu.

Nahnu is used in other places to mean many people or entities, but Allah is not part of that Nahnu, at any single time.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Amujale(m): 11:02am On May 20, 2011

I apologize to those that may have been offended in any way shape or form, this thread isnt meant for personal vendeta or a means of belittling the next guys school of thought. But still in an open argument one can only expect some sort of backlash to say the least; i must say though that there has been multiple answers to the questions this post presents and goodness knows how long it will take for me to attempt to digest the essence of the main pointers. I'm in no doubt that i've been left blessed with this experience and so are YOU

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Ozichim(m): 4:18pm On Mar 29, 2012

There is no need stressing or abusing anybody in this issue. The statement or question is very simple.

Whichever name people or people call God. The being can rightly be identified by what he does or said.

As for Allah and Christian God (Jehovah, Yahweh), definitely they are not the same, as their teachings and deeds were quite different.

As for the Igbos, they call God "Chi, Chi-ukwu or Chukwu, Chineke" Now before Christianity came to Igbo land, they worship many gods but they believe and know that they are not worshiping the main God. Igbos believe that the small gods they are worshiping are servants to the main God, So no deity in Igbo land was giving the name Chukwu or Chineke (God), though they often reference Him(Chukwu) in many ways because they believe he exists. But they have no particular alter or shrine with that name. They also believe that God (Chukwu) lives in Heaven, and observes/monitors everything from there.

When Christianity came, they quickie embrace Christianity because the teachings in the Bible actually was quite similar to all they believe initially to be the nature and character of Chineke “Chukwu”. So possibly, that may be one of the reasons why Igbos had no problem/difficulty accepting Christianity.

Infact, when reading the old testament of the Bible, I, sometimes feel afraid of what I'm reading because, at times it looks so similar to what I do see some idol priest of my village doing, though they are not Christians and they have not accepted Jesus into their life.

I don't know much what other languages call God(Chukwu), but as for Allah considering what his teachings and deeds are, Allah cannot be the same as Christian God.

Jesus Christ of Nazereth can be reckons as the name God(Yahweh) gave to himself as person. One has so many reasons to equally believe that Jesus is God in person form.

Jesus did many things that only God can do when He was here on earth.

Please note this,
Man was made in God’s image:
Man thinks ================= God thinks
Man has feeling ============ God has feeling
Man can be happy, angry ======= God can do the same
Man is in three form (Spirit, Saul and Body/Flesh)====== God is in Three form (God the father/Yahweh, God the son/Jesus and God the holy spirit).
etc.

So no need to argue these things, If one calls himself God what has he/she done to prove that he or she is God.

When God (Jehovah) reveals himself to Moses, Moses was skeptical as to be sure and to prove that He is dealing with God and until God has to prove him-self. Although we don't look for miracle these days for confirmation of God in action, we know what we are saying.

Before Jesus and outside Jesus disciples and the prophets of the Bible there is no other person that has raised a dead body from the death before.
Jesus was the first and only person that came back to life after been dead and buried. i.e.

Death has defeated all men and everyman is powerless when it comes to death but only Jesus has defeated death, Jesus has power over death; and he has demonstrated it before and after He rose from the death.

So one don't need to kill himself as to who is God or what name means the something as “God”. Check what they have done before, what they are doing and what they are known for. This will tell you whether the names refer to the same person or not. I don't mean similar or almost similar because the devil can actually imitate anything. Just as we Human been can imitate to create fake or inferior type.

If they are different then, they are not the same, for God cannot lie.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by lawani: 9:41pm On Sep 01, 2016

Get it clear

Theology of Yoruba is not thesame as Islam! So Olodumare is not Allah! Olodumare sounds like the owner of the odu that does not go anywhere. The constant odu.

In our theology has Aborishas, we worship only things that we can see and irunmales that were incarnated. Irunmales like Ogun, Obatala, Esu have been severally incarnated. They are energies. Olodumare commanded us to worship everything to get along with them easily. We dont worship Olodumare but all Ase belongs to him. If Olodumare had incarnated, he would be worshipped, if he had liked cigarette, that will be used to worship him but as he never incarnated, no worship. For the Yoruba, the only way to escape being worshipped is to not incarnate, otherwise you will be worshipped. Today, you can worship Fela, Awolowo, your grandma and grandpa. Why? Because they were incarnated! All were irunmales in Orun but Olodumare is one irunmale who will never incarnate. The chairman! Iba o! So no worship. We also worship trees, rivers, rocks, shit and piss and etc.

So a tenet of Aborisha theology is Iru eniyan po, iru Mohammmed po, iru Jesu po sugbon iru Olodumare ni kan ni o si! Ki se pe o sowon o! Ko si rara ni! That is the issue. So your Allah, the deity asking people to face Mecca to pray, fast for him, having a last prophet, giving idiotic and non common sensical laws is not and can never be Olodumare. No correllation. One is an idiot and the other a wise person, one a thug, the other a gentleman. Abeg stop spreading such fallacies. Your Allah is an idiot and that is not my Olodumare.

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Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Amujale(m): 1:18pm On Aug 08, 2018

thehomer:

That was why I pointed out to you that your syncretism was not complete. Their belief was to approach Olodumare via the lesser Gods. i.e This Olodumare had lesser Gods while your Allah doesn't. So, why would you claim that Olodumare and Allah are the same entity when one has lesser Gods while the other doesn't?

Nobody is claiming anything, merely opinions with hard facts on the topic.

For me, Olodumare is Allah in various ways that makes more sense expressed in this form however if you attempt to interchange, then it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence. Allah is Olodumare in many ways yet if you attempt to interchange, then. it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by lawani: 1:20pm On Aug 08, 2018

Amujale:

Nobody is claiming anything, merely opinions with hard facts on the topic.

For me, Olodumare is Allah in various ways that makes more sense expressed in this form however if you attempt to interchange, then it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence. Allah is Olodumare in many ways yet if you attempt to interchange, then. it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence.

The pre Mohammedan Allah is Olodumare but the present Muslim Allah is not. It does not fit!

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by thehomer: 5:56pm On Aug 09, 2018

Amujale:

Nobody is claiming anything, merely opinions with hard facts on the topic.

For me, Olodumare is Allah in various ways that makes more sense expressed in this form however if you attempt to interchange, then it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence. Allah is Olodumare in many ways yet if you attempt to interchange, then. it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence.

According to you,

Olodumare = Allah but Allah ≠ Olodumare unless you mean Olodumare + extra qualifying essense.
But your very next sentence says

Allah = Olodumare but Olodumare ≠ Allah unless you mean Allah + extra qualifying essense.

I'm sorry but this makes no sense. Either Olodumare is the same as Allah or he isn't. There's no room for adding qualifying essenses to one and not the other at the same time.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Amujale(m): 10:32am On Aug 10, 2018

No, not quite what was meant.

It’s probably down to the lack of absolute translation; or diffrence in customs, or due to conflicting tradition, but my main point is that anyone looking to find a difference needn’t look that far.

Yet, it seems safer just to accept the fact that given the striking similarities Olodumare is God/God is Olodumare. or Olodumare is Allah/Allah is Olodumare.

lawani:

The pre Mohammedan Allah is Olodumare but the present Muslim Allah is not. It does not fit!

Plus, where the need for one to take into account language barriers becomes necessary, then it would constantly be boiled down to nonsense.

Re: Are Olodumare And "god/allah" The Same Entity/concept/word? by Amujale(m): 11:16am On Aug 10, 2018

For me, Olodumare can mean God or Allah. That’s absolutely an acceptable way for anyone to relate.

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