I am a geography student with second class I can tell you the geographical structure of Nigeria both human and physical.
geographically the occupants of northern delta state,upland Rivers state and some parts parts of lower benue,kogi, are all Igbo speaking geographically ,but why is it that only the ones In the southeast geopolitical zone are considered igbos?why do they choose political boundaries over natural ones?
The yorubas are the only group in the south that doesn't allow political boundaries to separate them ,they are know themselves and accept their identity no matter their location. Be it north or south can someone please explain because it is way beyond logic why someone bearing emeka in imo is igbo but the Emeka in agbor is not so confusing .

yarimo:
op do you think it is just like that this respectable elder statesman have to say this

If you don't have any reasonable contribution please move on don't derail the thread..

Goodmarlian:


If you don't have any reasonable contribution please move on don't derail the thread..

I am not part of your misfortune in life ooo

The Yorubas you are using as a case study lost Ilorin and next time use paragraphs and dont make me question your second class, what do you even mean by political boundaries and natural boundaries, you said they use political boundaries, now are you expecting Eastern governors to go and look for them or is Ohaneze not looking into it especially the Igbos in Delta and Rivers as for the ones in Benue, benue is not seen as threatening as the situation between ebonyi and benue for instance is more profound with ebonyi and other south east state

AlexBells:
The Yorubas you are using as a case study lost Ilorin and next time use paragraphs and dont make me question your second class, what do you even mean by political boundaries and natural boundaries, you said they use political boundaries, now are you expecting Eastern governors to go and look for them or is Ohaneze not looking into it especially the Igbos in Delta and Rivers as for the ones in Benue, benue is not seen as threatening as the situation between ebonyi and benue for instance is more profound with ebonyi and other south east state

Which Ilorin did Yoruba lost 90% in Ilorin are Yoruba and they strongly identify theirselve as Yoruba, because Nigeria is a country and everyone has right to live wherever they want to that's why Fulanis emir is in Ilorin today, just as you have Eze ndigbo all over Nigeria and abroad. Let say Nigeria breaks today, even Fulanis knows that automatically they becomes foreigners in Ilorin. FYI the emir of Ilorin has no land and lands are owned by families also the Fulanis is using not only Political power also resources from oil etc to maintain that emir sit in Ilorin. Go to Ilorin and investigate and see some Full blooded Yorubas defending the emir sit for the Fulanis because of the massive money Fulanis is pumping into their pockets, let see how long they can keep maintaining it.

jneutron4000:
Which Ilorin did Yoruba lost 90% in Ilorin are Yoruba and they strongly identify theirselve as Yoruba, because Nigeria is a country and everyone has right to live wherever they want to that's why Fulanis emir is in Ilorin today, just as you have Eze ndigbo all over Nigeria and abroad. Let say Nigeria breaks today, even Fulanis knows that automatically they becomes foreigners in Ilorin. FYI the emir of Ilorin has no land and lands are owned by families also the Fulanis is using not only Political power also resources from oil etc to maintain that emir sit in Ilorin. Go to Ilorin and investigate and see some Full blooded Yorubas defending the emir sit for the Fulanis because of the massive money Fulanis is pumping into their pockets, let see how long they can keep maintaining it.

This is a dumbass illogicality. The so-called Eze-Ndigbo all over Nigeria does not have a kingdom. The Emir of Ilorin has Ilorin Emirate as his kingdom before the arrival of the British.

Dedetwo:


This is a dumbass illogicality. The so-called Eze-Ndigbo all over Nigeria does not have a kingdom. The Emir of Ilorin has Ilorin Emirate as his kingdom before the arrival of the British.

Just made an illustration and you could not comprehend, did you not read where I stated that the emir is being funded and maintained, and of course that you will find even some Yorubas defending it, what did you think I meant? Try to read and comprehend. If Nigeria seized to exist today, Fulanis automatically becomes a foreigner in Ilorin, the emirate their created in Ilorin only gets it's administrative duties from Sokoto on his Fulanis people in Ilorin and some Yorubas who of course has being bribed and brainwashed, the emir does not have power or total control in Ilorin except the Fulanis they control. Therefore if you are very observant you will noticed that despite the fact that Heardmen/ Meyetti Allah are causing problems even in the North and in the south, they are extremely careful not to cause problem in Kwara state because they would not want to provoke the Yorubas over there. The only tools Fulanis are using to maintain their emirate in Ilorin is a political tool, first they separated Kwara state so as to put it as Northern state, and despite that political division, 90% of the Yorubas in Kwara state still strongly identify and sees themselves as Yoruba and they are still calling to be merged with their people in the SW region and that is the very point the OP that created this thread made. Ilorin and Kaba division which they were formally called tii date know their identity as Yoruba and no matter the politics of division, the emirate etc the region is not lost cause the people knows who they are and that is what matters.

jneutron4000:
Just made an illustration and you could not comprehend, did you not read where I stated that the emir is being funded and maintained, and of course that you will find even some Yorubas defending it, what did you think I meant? Try to read and comprehend. If Nigeria seized to exist today, Fulanis automatically becomes a foreigner in Ilorin, the emirate their created in Ilorin only gets it's administrative duties from Sokoto on his Fulanis people in Ilorin and some Yorubas who of course has being bribed and brainwashed, the emir does not have power or total control in Ilorin except the Fulanis they control. Therefore if you are very observant you will noticed that despite the fact that Heardmen/ Meyetti Allah are causing problems even in the North and in the south, they are extremely careful not to cause problem in Kwara state because they would not want to provoke the Yorubas over there. The only tools Fulanis are using to maintain their emirate in Ilorin is a political tool, first they separated Kwara state so as to put it as Northern state, and despite that political division, 90% of the Yorubas in Kwara state still strongly identify and sees themselves as Yoruba and they are still calling to be merged with their people in the SW region and that is the very point the OP that created this thread made. Ilorin and Kaba division which they were formally called tii date know their identity as Yoruba and no matter the politics of division, the emirate etc the region is not lost cause the people knows who they are and that is what matters.

Now is there an Oba of Ilorin, do you know that Ilorin alone is big enough for all the Fulani in Nigeria, how do you expect the Fulanis to become equal citizens when they don't have the numbers, are the Fulanis in Ilorin not using Ilorin as their state of origin, would you allow them to install a Fulani Emir in the remaining 6 core south west state since it was the emir is a government thing and they will still leave your land when Nigeria divide, does those Fulanis Palace not sit on Ilorin land and they did not pay for it, by your assertion we should all allow Fulanis to have a kingdom in our land a kindom so influential that our own kingdoms becomes non relivant, the Ilorin case is even worse than I I earlier thought

AlexBells:

Now is there an Oba of Ilorin, do you know that Ilorin alone is big enough for all the Fulani in Nigeria, how do you expect the Fulanis to become equal citizens when they don't have the numbers, are the Fulanis in Ilorin not using Ilorin as their state of origin, would you allow them to install a Fulani Emir in the remaining 6 core south west state since it was the emir is a government thing and they will still leave your land when Nigeria divide, does those Fulanis Palace not sit on Ilorin land and they did not pay for it, by your assertion we should all allow Fulanis to have a kingdom in our land a kindom so influential that our own kingdoms becomes non relivant, the Ilorin case is even worse than I I earlier thought

There was NEVER Oba in Ilorin per say, the Oba Yoruba have is Oba in Jebba. Afonja in Ilorin did not style himself as Oba even though he was a ruler, Afonja is more of a warrior and he was Kankafo. Just to let you know that Yoruba did not loss Ilorin even though their is a Fulani emirate there. Yorubas in Ilorin are still planning on how to start proper Obaship in Ilorin. All they need is that governor that will support that motive because what is the point of having an Oba that has no staff of office, and the Oba is not recognized by the state and Federal government. Traditional leaders accross Nigeria are recognized and paid so it all still balls down to the fact that Fulanis are playing politics to maintain their emirate in Ilorin and nothing last forever, Otoge brought down the Bukola Saraki dynasty in Kwara state and Bukola Saraki is one of Fulanis agent in Kwara state. To have better knowledge just type Oba in Ilorin on google and see what you will get, that shows you that the people in Ilorin knows that Ilorin is Yoruba land. Ilorin has a story that taught Yoruba great lessons and that was why you see Yorubas frowned at Oluwo of Iwo when he styled himself as an emir. Do you know that the Yorubas Ilorin and Yorubas in part of Kogi scolded the SW region for creating Amotekun only in SW region?? In the Yoruba meeting held at Ibadan both the Chief Iman of Yoruba in Ilorin and the leader if the Yorubas in Kogi sounded loud their displeasure that why was Amotekun not created in those places too. The SW and DAWN commission has to plead with them to be patient that it will still be extended to that part that first of all let them lunch in SW and see how successful it will be, because it might be easily infiltrated in both Ilorin and Kogi because we share border with the North and they do not want Amotekun to be achieved.

AlexBells:

Now is there an Oba of Ilorin, do you know that Ilorin alone is big enough for all the Fulani in Nigeria, how do you expect the Fulanis to become equal citizens when they don't have the numbers, are the Fulanis in Ilorin not using Ilorin as their state of origin, would you allow them to install a Fulani Emir in the remaining 6 core south west state since it was the emir is a government thing and they will still leave your land when Nigeria divide, does those Fulanis Palace not sit on Ilorin land and they did not pay for it, by your assertion we should all allow Fulanis to have a kingdom in our land a kindom so influential that our own kingdoms becomes non relivant, the Ilorin case is even worse than I I earlier thought

You don't understand him, meanwhile the guy is correct.
Before you guys yarn rubbish learn to find out truth and make a research.

jneutron4000:
There was NEVER Oba in Ilorin per say, the Oba Yoruba have is Oba in Jebba. Afonja in Ilorin did not style himself as Oba even though he was a ruler, Afonja is more of a warrior and he was Kankafo. Just to let you know that Yoruba did not loss Ilorin even though their is a Fulani emirate there. Yorubas in Ilorin at still planning on how to start proper Obaship in Ilorin. All they need is that governor that will support that motive because what is the point of having an Oba that has no staff of office, and the Oba is not recognized by the state and Federal government. Traditional leaders accross Nigeria are recognized and paid so it all still balls down to the fact that Fulanis are playing politics to maintain their emirate in Ilorin and nothing last forever, Otoge brought down the Bukola Saraki dynasty in Kwara state and Bukola Saraki is one of Fulanis agent in Kwara state. To have better knowledge just type Oba in Ilorin on google and see what you will get, that shows you that the people in Ilorin knows that Ilorin is Yoruba land. Ilorin has a story that taught Yoruba great lessons and that was why you see Yorubas frowned at Oluwo of Iwo when he styled himself as an emir. Do you know that the Yorubas Ilorin and Yorubas in part of Kogi scolded the SW region for creating Amotekun only in SW region?? In the Yoruba meeting held at Ibadan both the Chief Iman of Yoruba in Ilorin and the leader if the Yorubas in Kogi sounded loud their displeasure that why was Amotekun not created in those places too. The SW and DAWN commission has to plead with them to be patient that it will still be extended to that part that first of all let them lunch in SW and see how successful it will be, because it might be easily infiltrated in both Ilorin and Kogi because we share border with the North and they do not want Amotekun to be achieved.

Guy, you tried, infact you talked too much.
Just keep mum about their ignorance.

jneutron4000:
There was NEVER Oba in Ilorin per say, the Oba Yoruba have is Oba in Jebba. Afonja in Ilorin did not style himself as Oba even though he was a ruler, Afonja is more of a warrior and he was Kankafo. Just to let you know that Yoruba did not loss Ilorin even though their is a Fulani emirate there. Yorubas in Ilorin at still planning on how to start proper Obaship in Ilorin. All they need is that governor that will support that motive because what is the point of having an Oba that has no staff of office, and the Oba is not recognized by the state and Federal government. Traditional leaders accross Nigeria are recognized and paid so it all still balls down to the fact that Fulanis are playing politics to maintain their emirate in Ilorin and nothing last forever, Otoge brought down the Bukola Saraki dynasty in Kwara state and Bukola Saraki is one of Fulanis agent in Kwara state. To have better knowledge just type Oba in Ilorin on google and see what you will get, that shows you that the people in Ilorin knows that Ilorin is Yoruba land. Ilorin has a story that taught Yoruba great lessons and that was why you see Yorubas frowned at Oluwo of Iwo when he styled himself as an emir. Do you know that the Yorubas Ilorin and Yorubas in part of Kogi scolded the SW region for creating Amotekun only in SW region?? In the Yoruba meeting held at Ibadan both the Chief Iman of Yoruba in Ilorin and the leader if the Yorubas in Kogi sounded loud their displeasure that why was Amotekun not created in those places too. The SW and DAWN commission has to plead with them to be patient that it will still be extended to that part that first of all let them lunch in SW and see how successful it will be, because it might be easily infiltrated in both Ilorin and Kogi because we share border with the North and they do not want Amotekun to be achieved.

I understand your point completely, I know for sure that a people is hardly ever lost, but if that's the case, we can as well assume that Some Hausa Kingdom was not lost to the Fulanis, you and I knows that Oba is just a name, what we care about is a leader, a king figure, in that case the Kankafor was the king figure of old Ilorin, that's what matters but today the Kankafor is no longer the supreme leader in Ilorin, given the present political outlook in Nigeria, the Fulani would hold aware of Iloron for a very long time to come not because the Fulanis are more influential than the Yorubas in Nigerian politics but because of the affinity of the majority of Yorubas towards the Fulanis, I do know that the Sokoto emir is the head of muslims in Nigeria, he is Fulani I guess even if a Yoruba becomes a president tomorrow or a Yoruba becomes the governor of kwara state, if such Yorubas is a muslim, would he want to go against Sokoto for the good of his people, let's say such Yoruba then is a Christian won't the Muslim and Fulani see it as a direct confrontation and attack, that's why the wise South West governor did not include the Northern Yorubas, it is easier for Igbo governors to include Àsaba and Some part of PH in their affair than for south west to include Northern Yoruba into mainstream, I'm a sensible human and I will refrain from using such sentence that Yorubas lost Ilorin, I know it hurts both for Yorubas in Ilorin and the ones in South west but i think understanding the reality may motivate you guys to act up

Seerade029:


You don't understand him, meanwhile the guy is correct.
Before you guys yarn rubbish learn to find out truth and make a research.

The presumed sophistication of your lots was the origin of the very problem, you think every problem is fixed by true understanding and research, it is better your adversary sees you as mad, unread, stupid and all of that than to see you as smart and rational, learn to see the very little sense in every nonsense, don't let your ego always take the lead,

jneutron4000:
The SW and DAWN commission has to plead with them to be patient that it will still be extended to that part that first of all let them lunch in SW and see how successful it will be, because it might be easily infiltrated in both Ilorin and Kogi because we share border with the North and they do not want Amotekun to be achieved.

it'll be a bit hard to create Amotekun in Kogi.
because Amotekun is backed by each state law.
and Yorubas ain't the only tribe in kogi.

moreso, Attorney General of each south west state do have meeting every month/ quarterly and kogi or kwara Attorney Generals might not be Yorubas.

AlexBells:

[s] The presumed sophistication of your lots was the origin of the very problem, you think every problem is fixed by true understanding and research, it is better your adversary sees you as mad, unread, stupid and all of that than to see you as smart and rational, learn to see the very little sense in every nonsense, don't let your ego always take the lead, [/s]

AlexBells:

Now is there an Oba of Ilorin, do you know that Ilorin alone is big enough for all the Fulani in Nigeria, how do you expect the Fulanis to become equal citizens when they don't have the numbers, are the Fulanis in Ilorin not using Ilorin as their state of origin, would you allow them to install a Fulani Emir in the remaining 6 core south west state since it was the emir is a government thing and they will still leave your land when Nigeria divide, does those Fulanis Palace not sit on Ilorin land and they did not pay for it, by your assertion we should all allow Fulanis to have a kingdom in our land a kindom so influential that our own kingdoms becomes non relivant, the Ilorin case is even worse than I I earlier thought

So you were looking for solution here with the rubbish you spit out??

You don't even know how the issue of ilorin came about, you don't know how the town was established and what is used for, you don't know how the Fulani re claimed ilorin.
Yet you're poke nosing into matters you have zero knowledge about.

There is no sense in the nonsense you spit here.
Try to learn about the origin of something and the steps they've taken before you offer solution. (Don't depend on heresay)

Seerade029:


it'll be a bit hard to create Amotekun in Kogi.
because Amotekun is backed by each state law.
and Yorubas ain't the only tribe in kogi.

moreso, Attorney General of each south west state do have meeting every month/ quarterly and kogi or kwara Attorney Generals might not be Yorubas.

Yeah you are absolutely right, remember that the AG of the federation Malami tackled the creation of Amotekun and said it was illegal, the SW governors never had the intention of passing it into law through the states house of assembly, that was why DAWN commission could not carry Kwara and part of Kogi along. Nevertheless if Amotekun is very successful in SW region and the governors are able to achieve the aim of Amotekun having the right to carry guns, it will be extended to Kwara and the LG Yorubas occupied in Kogi state.

jneutron4000:
Yeah you are absolutely right, remember that the AG of the federation Malami tackled the creation of Amotekun and said it was illegal, the SW governors never had the intention of passing it into law through the states house of assembly, that was why DAWN commission could not carry Kwara and part of Kogi along. Nevertheless if Amotekun is very successful in SW region and the governors are able to achieve the aim of Amotekun having the right to carry guns, it will be extended to Kwara and the LG Yorubas occupied in Kogi state.

Kudos to DAWN tho.
I downloaded their road map, and I must commend them, if implemented with the help of our governors will boost some things in South West.

Goodmarlian:
I am a geography student with second class I can tell you the geographical structure of Nigeria both human and physical.
geographically the occupants of northern delta state,upland Rivers state and some parts parts of lower benue,kogi, are all Igbo speaking geographically ,but why is it that only the ones In the southeast geopolitical zone are considered igbos?why do they choose political boundaries over natural ones?
The yorubas are the only group in the south that doesn't allow political boundaries to separate them ,they are know themselves and accept their identity no matter their location. Be it north or south can someone please explain because it is way beyond logic why someone bearing emeka in imo is igbo but the Emeka in agbor is not so confusing .

So should we say because Yoruba's dominated some parts in South America countries like Brazil means the land belongs to Yoruba?

So because you wrote this epistle in English means you are a British?

Goodmarlian:
I am a geography student with second class I can tell you the geographical structure of Nigeria both human and physical.
geographically the occupants of northern delta state,upland Rivers state and some parts parts of lower benue,kogi, are all Igbo speaking geographically ,but why is it that only the ones In the southeast geopolitical zone are considered igbos?why do they choose political boundaries over natural ones?
The yorubas are the only group in the south that doesn't allow political boundaries to separate them ,they are know themselves and accept their identity no matter their location. Be it north or south can someone please explain because it is way beyond logic why someone bearing emeka in imo is igbo but the Emeka in agbor is not so confusing .

There is a big difference between a geography student and history student.
I won't take u and the thread serious

dukeprince50:
There is a big difference between a geography student and history student.
I won't take u and the thread serious

why nah

what of we wey no be either

Seerade029:


why nah

what of we wey no be either

immediately I saw that he was a geography student, I stopped reading and didn't care to check the comments of others, before u go know now, one agric student go come tell me say Bayelsa is native to Aba because they have the same type of soil

helinues:


So should we say because Yoruba's dominated some parts in South America countries like Brazil means the land belongs to Yoruba?

So because you wrote this epistle in English means you are a British?

What are you trying to say? That ilorin and kabba division does not belong to Yoruba?

dukeprince50:
immediately I saw that he was a geography student, I stopped reading and didn't care to check the comments of others, before u go know now, one agric student go come tell me say Bayelsa is native to Aba because they have the same type of soil

Hahaha

helinues:


So should we say because Yoruba's dominated some parts in South America countries like Brazil means the land belongs to Yoruba?

So because you wrote this epistle in English means you are a British?

That's not his point.
he's trying to say, that.
Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi and outside Nigeria identify themselves as Yorubas irrespective of geographical Location.

He is now asking why are igbo groups in delta, Edo, kogi, Benue, rivers are not identifying themselves as Igbos

Seerade029:




So you were looking for solution here with the rubbish you spit out??

You don't even know how the issue of ilorin came about, you don't know how the town was established and what is used for, you don't know how the Fulani re claimed ilorin.
Yet you're poke nosing into matters you have zero knowledge about.

There is no sense in the nonsense you spit here.
Try to learn about the origin of something and the steps they've taken before you offer solution. (Don't depend on heresay)

I'm not seeking for solutions here, apparently whatever happening in Ilorin does not affect me in most ways, so it not like I'm giving a solution, I'm just exercising my right of free speech. Ilorin is the only Yoruba emirate and it is not ruled by the Fulanis, Yorubas have same control as they weild in other south west states... thanks, let's see it that way. Now are we good,