CSTRR:
Ordinary A-29 is what is worrying like this.

A mere turbo device.

Morocco has already received their consignment of F-16.

Tucano and F-16 are designed for different use and applications, we don't need F-16 for what we need the Tucano to do appropriately and efficiency.

The Tucano can can decimate BH Terrorists in Sambisa or elsewhere better than F-16 and the Tucano is designed to load and deploy all the weaponry, munitions from laser guided to radar and avionics.

F-16 can not do reconnaissance and surveillance, it can not loiter over targets and decimate the target with powerful .50 calibre cannons or consistently drop laser guided rockets to demolish multiple moving targets which the Tucano can do efficiently, F-16 is a fighter jet, it fights other jets and drop bombs, so, are we doing jet to jet fighting with BH?

The Tucano can load and deploy the most advanced bombs in the world like the paveway II which we are getting as part of our Tucano package.


Expand your knowledge about military

DexterousOne:


You have started again
You were the coward that reported me that got me banned the other time

You keep making inflammatory comments and getting away with it
When someone else calls you out in it
You go and report the person

Simple word of advise
Bigotry will not help you
Let go of it

To start with, that ignorant ipob senator should not be in the senate or in charge of anything, not even a kindergarten, his comment and mentality is an embarrassment and a dishonor to the Nigerian senate.

1. Tucano is not a fighter jet so what's the meaning of that ignorant rubbish that the Tucano is a jet?

2. It's also extremely ignorant ands goofy to conclude that the runway at the Kainji NAF airbase is not suitable to handle jets when in fact this is base is where we train our combat pilots to fly jets, our air combat men and women fly jets in and out of this base all day and every day so what's this ignorant senator talking about?

3. Is he saying Alpha jests, real jests can fly in and out of this runway, but Tucano that's designed to take off and land on dirt and rugged terrain can can not?

Where is the sense in this insane and ignorant nonsense? Is this clown a senator? Or they just pile up olodo people without military knowledge to deliberate and supervise military matters?

4. Saying we won't get our Tucano or we are going to lose our money because of runway is like saying after paying for your car at a car dealership, they won't release your car or give you your money back because the roads in your community or state are bad and full of potholes?


They need to start checking the mental sanity of the clowns they call lawmakers in Nigeria because this is just too embarrassing.

DUMB Senators...

That’s not how military procurement works in the US...
These jets are specifically built for Nigeria, following Congressional approval.

The worse that can happen is that delivery will be delayed.
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Nbotee:
Hehehehehe... And Nigeria don scam us again... So dey did not know dey didnt have standard runways before paying for d jets?? Now we know why Buhari wanted a rubber stamped senate

In other News today is my birthday.. I wan withdraw enough likes today

it's a big lie. They know what they are doing. How can you say ordinary tucano can not use the same runway used by alpha jets and mig 21 . These plane have more weight and need longer runway than tucano. These is fraud

2023 is fast approaching,.After stealing money the next thing is to bribe and win and continue looting.
BARAO.
They planned to Steal the money from the beginning.

NGpatriot:





Tucano and F-16 are designed for different use and applications, we don't need F-16 for what we need the Tucano to do appropriately and efficiency.

The Tucano can can decimate BH Terrorists in Sambisa or elsewhere better than F-16 and the Tucano is designed to load and deploy all the weaponry, munitions from laser guided to radar and avionics.

F-16 can not do reconnaissance and surveillance, it can not loiter over targets and decimate the target with powerful .50 calibre cannons or consistently drop laser guided rockets to demolish multiple moving targets which the Tucano can do efficiently, F-16 is a fighter jet, it fights other jets and drop bombs, so, are we doing jet to jet fighting with BH?

The Tucano can load and deploy the most advanced bombs in the world like the paveway II which we are getting as part of our Tucano package.


Expand your knowledge about military

the issue is the seemly fraud they are planning to perpetuate. The existing runway at kainji is ok for the tucano. The alpha and former mig planes using kainji base require landing and take off requirement exceed that of tucano .Do you even know that the said kainji base is already been upgraded by the US government based on the tucano purchase agreement signed?
With additional infrastructure such as weapon storage, 12km fence, apron etc being constructed presently.
The super tucano can take off on unpaved and rugged road. It's take off and landing requirement are shorter than the alpha J17 jets currently in use
Stat:
Alpha :Take-off run: 410 m (1,345 ft)
Landing run: 610 m (2,001 ft)

Super tucano:Take Off Distance:
350 metre - 1,148.28 feet
Landing Distance:
550 metre - 1,804.44 feet
Niaja and padding.
Proof that necessary facilities are being constructed and paid for by US Air force
https://www.google.com/amp/s/constructionreviewonline.com/news/nigeria/nigeria-construction-of-facilities-at-kainji-air-base-commences/%3famp

Tekrify:
Nothing but the truth..but I believe there is more to it..the runway according to an article I read was really bad ..Inshort I believe the US guys deemed it unusable.. remember that a cargo plane will deliver it..it not as if the a 29 will fly all the way from the US... so I believe that runway can't support the aircraft... I believe the US wil be using the C 17�

C-17 can always land in Lagos or Abuja. It's not the first time C-17 has landed in Nigeria. It is fraud. Do you people even understand the operations of the Tucano .even kainji is not a suitable base for it.They self-service to use kainji for training . The tucano has an operation al radius of 500km + .while the distance from kainji to sambisa is around 1000km + .They would need to move the plans to another location around adamawa ,taraba or borno for effective use. Let's just stop decieving our selves. The kainji base is already being upgraded and paid for by the US Air force check link or Google.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/constructionreviewonline.com/news/nigeria/nigeria-construction-of-facilities-at-kainji-air-base-commences/%3famp

NGpatriot:



To start with, that ignorant ipob senator should not be in the senate or in charge of anything, not even a kindergarten, his comment and mentality is an embarrassment and a dishonor to the Nigerian senate.

1. Tucano is not a fighter jet so what's the meaning of that ignorant rubbish that the Tucano is a jet? Currently all necessary facilities needed at the kainji base is being upgraded and paid for by the US government via the US Air force.


2. It's also extremely ignorant ands goofy to conclude that the runway at the Kainji NAF airbase is not suitable to handle jets when in fact this is base is where we train our combat pilots to fly jets, our air combat men and women fly jets in and out of this base all day and every day so what's this ignorant senator talking about?

3. Is he saying Alpha jests, real jests can fly in and out of this runway, but Tucano that's designed to take off and land on dirt and rugged terrain can can not?

Where is the sense in this insane and ignorant nonsense? Is this clown a senator? Or they just pile up olodo people without military knowledge to deliberate and supervise military matters?

4. Saying we won't get our Tucano or we are going to lose our money because of runway is like saying after paying for your car at a car dealership, they won't release your car or give you your money back because the roads in your community or state are bad and full of potholes?


They need to start checking the mental sanity of the clowns they call lawmakers in Nigeria because this is just too embarrassing.

God bless you . He's looking for ways to stuff his pocket along with his crew.Fraudulent uninformed senator's we have. Currently all necessary facilities needed for the smooth induction of the planes are being upgraded and additional construction works being executed are all being paid for by the US government via the US Air force.

chrisblack:
the issue is the seemly fraud they are planning to perpetuate. The existing runway at kainji is ok for the tucano. The alpha and former mig planes using kainji base require landing and take off requirement exceed that of tucano .Do you even know that the said kainji base is already been upgraded by the US government based on the tucano purchase agreement signed?
With additional infrastructure such as weapon storage, 12km fence, apron etc being constructed presently.
The super tucano can take off on unpaved and rugged road. It's take off and landing requirement are shorter than the alpha J17 jets currently in use
Stat:
Alpha :Take-off run: 410 m (1,345 ft)
Landing run: 610 m (2,001 ft)

Super tucano:Take Off Distance:
350 metre - 1,148.28 feet
Landing Distance:
550 metre - 1,804.44 feet
Niaja and padding.
Proof that necessary facilities are being constructed and paid for by US Air force
https://www.google.com/amp/s/constructionreviewonline.com/news/nigeria/nigeria-construction-of-facilities-at-kainji-air-base-commences/%3famp

Fraud is the senators opinion and definitely not reality unless real and actual fraud was committed, you can not say there's fraud just because they asked for additional funding. As a lawmaker if you are confused or need further clarification per why they are asking for more money, ask them to submit a detailed or itemised list per what the money is for and the nature of the additional work needed,

The senators job is oversight, not to make ignorant comments or shout fraud all over the place when non is being committed. Yes, the Americans are providing base facilities and infrastructure contained in the contract, but what if other things are needed that's not part of the contract?

The man need to keep quiet and stop making ignorant comment like we are not going to get our planes or our money because of runway, that was just silly and nonsensical.


Btw, you are wrong about the take off distance.

Take-off distance

Alpha Jet = 2690 ft

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/customer-support/operational-aircraft/alpha-jet/

Tucano = 1804.46

https://doc8643.com/aircraft/E314


With the Tucano, runway or take off speed is even irrelevant and a non issue since they are designed to take off and land of dirt and rugged terrain.

NGpatriot:



Fraud is the senators opinion and definitely not reality unless real and actual fraud was committed, you can not say there's fraud just because they asked for additional funding. As a lawmaker if you are confused or need further clarification per why they are asking for more money, ask them to submit a detailed or itemised list per what the money is for and the nature of the additional work needed,

The senators job is oversight, not to make ignorant comments or shout fraud all over the place when non is being committed. Yes, the Americans are providing base facilities and infrastructure contained in the contract, but what if other things are needed that's not part of the contract?

The man need to keep quiet and stop making ignorant comment like we are not going to get our planes or our money because of runway, that was just silly and nonsensical.


Btw, you are wrong about the take off distance.

Take-off distance

Alpha Jet = 2690 ft

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/customer-support/operational-aircraft/alpha-jet/

Tucano = 1804.46

https://doc8643.com/aircraft/E314


With the Tucano, runway of take off speed is even irrelevant and a non issue since they are designed to take off and land of dirt and rugged terrain.

guy check properly.
I grew up in these bases.
The version of alpha jet we have are the close support version. The take off and landing values are 100% correct. Please check your facts before commenting. The Alpha jets was a joint venture between the french and germans. The french had their own version .We bought the German version with the specs I gave. The Senator was specific on what the 9bn was needed for,which was for building a runway. It's called padding in budgetary terms and it's fraudulent. An average Nigerian senator is very smart when it comes to monetary issues. Padding is how they make it.what are the other needs that are not stated. Have giving you links showing that all that is needed is already being undertaken by the US Air force. Call it what it is

chrisblack:
guy check properly.
I grew up in these bases.
The version of alpha jet we have are the close support version. The take off and landing values are 100% correct. Please check your facts before commenting. The Senator was specific on what the 9bn was needed for,which was for building a runway. It's called padding in budgetary terms and it's fraudulent. An average Nigerian senator is very smart when it comes to monetary issues. Padding is how they make it.what are the other needs that are not stated. Have giving you links showing that all that is needed is already being undertaken by the US Air force. Call it what it is

There are 2 versions of the Alpha Jets and the Take-off distances for both versions are over 2,000

(15432lb)

2690 ft


(11023lb)

2362 ft



It's there in the link I gave you, I did not make upt up, that's from the manufacturer.

frog12:
they OVERPAY for these planes. maximum speed is not more than 600kilometres per hour. too slow!

The planes were not over paid. It boils down to the specs we wanted .

Responding, Chairman, Senator Jubril Barau assured that the committee will look inward to make fund available to address the issue in the 2021 budget.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/11/fighter-jets-nigeria-risks-losing-493m-over-bad-runway-%E2%80%95-senate/

That senator is talking rubbish and he can rant and rave till eternity, the NAF will get the necessary funds needed to fully actually the Super Tucano platform.

According to the Chairman of the committee, the money is going to be part of next year's budget.

NGpatriot:




There are 2 versions of the Alpha Jets and the Take-off distances for both versions are over 2,000

(15432lb)

2690 ft


(11023lb)

2362 ft



It's there in the link I gave you, I did not make upt up, that's from the manufacturer.

There are two major variants.with different models. Our was called the “Alpha Jet E” or “Alpha Jet Close Support” version.
Other model

NGpatriot:




That senator is talking rubbish and he can rant and rave till eternity, the NAF will get the necessary funds needed to fully actually the Super Tucano platform.

According to the Chairman of the committee, the money is going to be part of next year's budget.

which funds?. The planes are already paid for. All necessary infrastructure are already paid for including reactivation of an old control tower amongst many other stuff the US Air force are paying for. So which funds

chrisblack:
There are two major variants.with different models. Our was called the “Alpha Jet E” or “Alpha Jet Close Support” version.
Other model

And I gave you the take off distance for both and the numbers are higher than yours.

There's no need arguing about this, I gave you the manufacturer's website with the info right there in black and white, same per the Tucano figures you quoted.

Stop arguing, it's not serious

chrisblack:
which funds?. The planes are already paid for. All necessary infrastructure are already paid for including reactivation of an old control tower amongst many other stuff the US Air force are paying for. So which funds

The additional funds the NAF is asking for and the same funds the ignorant senator is making noise about.

Obviously, they need funds for additional work that's not included in the contract and either way, it doesn't matter, the NAF will get their money.

Oh well .
They know what dey are doing
But I believe there is more to it cuz this present chief of airstaff has done amazingly well....he is the best leader in the entire military I have ever seen..if u look at the airforce before 2015 and after..there are big differences..am sure he has a logical explanation..

chrisblack:
C-17 can always land in Lagos or Abuja. It's not the first time C-17 has landed in Nigeria. It is fraud. Do you people even understand the operations of the Tucano .even kainji is not a suitable base for it.They self-service to use kainji for training . The tucano has an operation al radius of 500km + .while the distance from kainji to sambisa is around 1000km + .They would need to move the plans to another location around adamawa ,taraba or borno for effective use. Let's just stop decieving our selves. The kainji base is already being upgraded and paid for by the US Air force check link or Google.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/constructionreviewonline.com/news/nigeria/nigeria-construction-of-facilities-at-kainji-air-base-commences/%3famp

Tekrify:
Oh well .
They know what dey are doing
But I believe there is more to it cuz this present chief of airstaff has done amazingly well....he is the best leader in the entire military I have ever seen..if u look at the airforce before 2015 and after..there are big differences..am sure he has a logical explanation..

I agree with you that the present CAS is the best.however the issue remains the need for extra 9bn for a runway as claimed by a Senator ,when all necessary stuff needed an kainji for the smooth operations is already being constructed and paid for by US Air force
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/aerospace-aerospace/construction-of-nigerian-super-tucano-base-facilities-begins/amp/
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/04/25/nigeria-a-29-super-tucano-kainji-base/amp/

Please read carefully .You will understand that all that is needed for the full take off of the Tucano base at kainji is being paid for by the US Defence department assistance program

NGpatriot:




And I gave you the take off distance for both and the numbers are higher than yours.

There's no need arguing about this, I gave you the manufacturer's website with the info right there in black and white, same per the Tucano figures you quoted.

Stop arguing, it's not serious

you are wrong. Adult did not make ours but Donier. I grew up knowing those planes

NGpatriot:




And I gave you the take off distance for both and the numbers are higher than yours.

There's no need arguing about this, I gave you the manufacturer's website with the info right there in black and white, same per the Tucano figures you quoted.

Stop arguing, it's not serious

you are wrong. DAssult did not make ours but Donnier. I grew up knowing those planes.

chrisblack:
I agree with you that the present CAS is the best.however the issue remains the need for extra 9bn for a runway as claimed by a Senator ,when all necessary stuff needed an kainji for the smooth operations is already being constructed and paid for by US Air force
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/aerospace-aerospace/construction-of-nigerian-super-tucano-base-facilities-begins/amp/
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/04/25/nigeria-a-29-super-tucano-kainji-base/amp/

Please read carefully .You will understand that all that is needed for the full take off of the Tucano base at kainji is being paid for by the US Defence department assistance program

On 28 August, the US Air Force Life Cycle Management Centre said the facilities will support 12 Nigerian Air Force A-29 aircraft, and include the construction of new airfield hot cargo pad, perimeter and security fencing, munitions assembly and storage, small arms storage, a flight annex wing building for simulator training, airfield lighting, and various airfield apron, parking, hangar, and entry control point improvements.

You yourself need to read carefully the same article and link you posted.


New airfield is not part of our contract with the Americans, I made the same mistake because I thought they are building a new airfield for us, but what the are constructing is airfield hot cargo pad, a patch on the airfield where they store weapons, arm and disarm planes, not the real airfield.

Obviously, we are trying to upgrade our airfield because of increased activities around the base apart from the New Tucano, the base is where we train our combat pilots, it's where we send our jets to for maintenance, it's the new home for our C-130 Hercules heavy transporter.

The N9 billion is legit and needs to be appropriated ASAP, I'm glad that the committee is including it in the next budget.


Again, you too need to read carefull;y.

NGpatriot:




You yourself need to read carefully the same article and link you posted.


New airfield is not part of our contract with the Americans, I made the same mistake because I thought they are building a new airfield for us, but what the are constructing is airfield hot cargo pad, a patch on the airfield where they store weapons, arm and disarm planes, not the real airfield.

Obviously, we are trying to upgrade our airfield because of increased activities around the base apart from the New Tucano, the base is where we train our combat pilots, it's where we send our jets to for maintenance, it's the new home for our C-130 Hercules heavy transporter.

The N9 billion is legit and needs to be appropriated ASAP, I'm glad that the committee is including it in the next budget.


Again, you too need to read carefull;y.

The issue is was never about upgrading the existing runway. The existing runway will suffice for the A29s .There was no statement regarding the need to build new runway for the C130s. The issue raised was tied to the tucanos. The US Government would have made there assessment before deciding to build the hot pad on the existing runway. They know it will suffice.The issue is either the senator was wrong or mixing up issues. Am not against building new runways as long as there is a need for it. The issue is claiming that the existing runway can not support the tucanos so they need to build a new one or will lose our planes. That is a lie. All that is being provided by the US government was done after a proper assessment of our needs and what is on ground. This is over Two years in planning .if truly a new runway was needed ,it would have been highlighted long ago. This is the usual after thought to bring the Nigerian way into things. I strongly object to that . Kainji is not a small place with a small runway. Kainji and markurdi and kaduna are the biggest facilt The airforce own

chrisblack:
The issue is was never about upgrading the existing runway. The existing runway will suffice for the A29s .There was no statement regarding the need to build new runway for the C130s. The issue raised was tied to the tucanos. The US Government would have made there assessment before deciding to build the hot pad on the existing runway. They know it will suffice.The issue is either the senator was wrong or mixing up issues. Am not against building new runways as long as there is a need for it. The issue is claiming that the existing runway can not support the tucanos so they need to build a new one or will lose our planes. That is a lie. All that is being provided by the US government was done after a proper assessment of our needs and what is on ground. This is over Two years in planning .if truly a new runway was needed ,it would have been highlighted long ago. This is the usual after thought to bring the Nigerian way into things. I strongly object to that . Kainji is not a small place with a small runway. Kainji and markurdi and kaduna are the biggest facilt The airforce own

The is really a needless headache and argument, the senator made the silly claim that the runway can not service the Tucano which was a bogus claim because all our jets and heavy duty C-130 takeoff and land on that runway.

If the NAF is contending that we need to upgrade the runway because of increased activities around the airbase regardless of our deal with the Americans, so be it.

The job of the lawmakers is to appropriate money and do oversight, not to make bogus claims or deny our military what they need to function optimally.

This is a needless issue, the NAF is going to get their money and it's already part of next year's budget so case closed.

The senator can keep making his ignorant noise, that's his problem.