livingchrist:
God didnt create Jesus

Barristter07:


Father is a person

Holy spirit another person

If both persons knows , Jesus saying ONLY the Father ( a single person ) knows means He lied ? I want an honest answer .

MightySparrow:
We are told that God created all things by Jesus, and the scripture says about vthe creation of Satan with ten precious stones. It is equally written Jesus is the beginning of God's creation, what is the raw material God use to create Jesus?

livingchrist:

Going by your logic since paul said Jesus is our only Lord then it means the father is not Lord, right?
The use of 'no one' 'only' is limited and can only be understand withing a given context .
Only the father does not exclude the holy Spirit and certainly does not mean the holy spirit is not a person.

MightySparrow:
We are told that God created all things by Jesus, and the scripture says about vthe creation of Satan with ten precious stones. It is equally written Jesus is the beginning of God's creation, what is the raw material God use to create Jesus?

Janosky:


John 17:5, 22,24.. Jesus Christ is teaching to receive SENSE. go figure out the truth.
Or SENSE will desert you

Janosky:

Genesis 22:9-12
And they came to the place which God had told him of. And Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.



11And the angel of Jehovah called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham. And he said, Here I am. 12And he said, Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou anything unto him. For now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from me"

When did Yahweh know that Abraham is God-fearing?

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According to your Bible, not Watchtower.
STOP this lazy attitude to learning & addiction to spewing baseless trash..

Janosky:


Bros, who is at God's left hand?

livingchrist:

according to watch tower Jehovah can choose to know something's and choose not to know, so can we also say a part of Jehovah knows and a part does not know?
They think we dont know their satanic deep secret
see hypocrisy, tell that to barrister, so God can choose to know or not know something but yet barrister pretends not to know it. Keep exposing yourselves

You & Emusan LIENUS FALSELY claimed Jehovah never select what he foreknows..
Genesis 22:9,12 says you are LYING .
Psalms 115:3 says you are LYING,
Deuteronomy 30:19,20 says you are LYING .
Bros , confirm with your Bible

Janosky:


You FALSELY claimed Jehovah never select what he foreknows..
Genesis 22:9,12 says you are LYING .
Psalms 115:3 says you are LYING,
Deuteronomy 30:19,20 says you are LYING .
Bros , confirm with your Bible

livingchrist:
see how you are all over the thread tormented with the truth, your torment will continue until you one day surrender to Jesus.

livingchrist:

sorry, Jesus is the beginning of God's creation means Jesus is the source or of God's creation.
God didnt create satan with stones, what you see in ezekiel is figurative not literally.
Satan was and angel, and all Angels are spirits.

Janosky:

Mark 13:19
New King James Version
For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be"

Revelation 3:14 Jesus Christ is the beginning of his Father's creation.
The first born of every creature is himself a creature.
Mark 13 19 confirmento
Or you no know who be the beginning of your Father's children ?

Barristter07:
I don't believe holy spirit is a person. You that believe it's a person , does that not mean there are two persons that Knows rather than ONLy one that Jesus mentioned ?

MaxInDHouse:
Just because we walk up to them in their homes and after discovering they're not open to kingdom message we quietly walk away, most of them thought JWs are empty-headed like their misinformed churchgoer families.
So he felt like challenging JWs on scriptural debate whereas he is not even fully convinced of what his church teaches.
When they meet our little ones they are puzzled as a young JW less than ten years will stand boldly to speak of his/her faith whereas their own children only strive for jollof rice during Christmas!
Jehovah's Witnesses i thank you guys for locating me, now i'm one of those that JEHOVAH equipped fully to speak boldly anywhere anytime and before anybody with conviction. Isaiah 54:17

Barristter07:


He didn't know. , now I know is factual. He choose not to know. And he didn't until that moment.

Back to the Matter , How could ONLY the Father knows be true when The Son knows already ?

livingchrist:

then how come Jesus was there in the beginning of creation.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Janosky:


John 20:17, did Jesus Christ reject your claim of John 1:1?
Yes oooo !
Romans 11:35-36
"Who has first given to God, that God should repay him?” 36For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen"

1 Corinthians 3:23 , Jesus belongs to God.
Romans 11:35-36, John 20:17, Ephesians 4:6 &
1 Corinthians 3:23 confirmento!
Jesus came through his Father and our Father, "the Father of ALL".

John 1:1 Greek, "the Word was with the God."
John 17:3 Greek "the God is the one true God" .
John 14:1 Greek "believe in the God & believe in me"
The difference is clear.

livingchrist:
I am not the one that wrote John 1vv1.
Yes ooo God gave to Jesus what belongs to him.

John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

And going by logic since men give God thanks, it must not include God
Acts 27:35
And when he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat.







same way all that belongs to the father also belongs to the son

John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


yesoo,
The word Theos occurs 1,315 times in the Greek NT primarily as a title for God the Father.
(Hebrews 12:29, Luke 1:16)
Jesus is also called The God ho theos

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Jesus is called the true God Ho theos

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, [/b]and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

I know you will try to say the true God here is talking about the father, but one thing has burst your lies and that is eternal life

1 John 1:2
(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

John identify who the eternal life is, he is the one that was manifested and seen.

On the other hand no man has seen the father.

Jesus is the eternal life that was manifested and he is called the true God Ho theos

LYING clown
John 17:3 and 1 John 5:20 is referencing the Father as the One true God.
"[b]Know Him that is true" - the Almighty Father of Jesus.

John 5:26 . Matthew 28:18, Jesus confessed he Received life, power and authority in the spiritual realm and earthly realm from the Source, his Father.
Bros, nothing you know more than Jesus.


Mathew 27:46 Your own true God begging another Superior Being to rescue him from death.
Na so your SENSE reach
3 pagan spirits devotees always get their "High" from LYING against Jesus

Janosky:

LYING clown
John 17:3 and 1 John 5:20 is referencing the Father as the One true God.
"Know Him that is true" - the Almighty Father of Jesus.

John 5:26 . Matthew 28:18, Jesus confessed he Received life, power and authority in the spiritual realm and earthly realm from the Source, his Father.
Bros, nothing you know more than Jesus.

3 pagan spirits devotees always get their "High" from LYING against Jesus

Janosky:

LYING clown
John 17:3 and 1 John 5:20 is referencing the Father as the One true God.
"Know Him that is true" - the Almighty Father of Jesus.

John 5:26 . Matthew 28:18, Jesus confessed he Received life, power and authority in the spiritual realm and earthly realm from the Source, his Father.
Bros, nothing you know more than Jesus.


Mathew 27:46 Your own true God begging another Superior Being to rescue him from death.
Na so your SENSE reach
3 pagan spirits devotees always get their "High" from LYING against Jesus

livingchrist:
Jesus is the life himself, tell me something, Jesus said everything him papa get na him own, so what is his father given him that is not his own?
Receive sense

Jesus received from the Source- his Father and God.
Jesus owes his God and Father. John 20:17. Ephesians 3:14-15
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Without his Father's generousity , Jesus has nothing.
Bros, na your need to receive SENSE

Janosky:

"The beginning of your Father's children" means what?
Or the beginning of your children means what?

haywizzy007:
The jollof rice aspect got me laughing out loud...it might sound funny, it's just the plain truth.

Emusan:


Lemme bolden that part well before your lying liar mouth change tune.

If not because you're very idiotic and silly, you'd have known the position of people on that statement is the same as that of @color but ignorance and deception of watchtower won't allow you to see the truth.

They say JESUS CHOOSES NOT TO KNOW like Jehovah did.

But the hypocrisy on you people is to claim Jehovah have right to selectively use His all-knowing attribute and still be God yet when people say Jesus has power to know the day of judgment BUT CHOOSES NOT TO KNOW at that time you begin to foam in the mouth that it's a lie Jesus can't be God since He didn't know the day.

Even when other verses in the scripture depict Jesus as ALL-KNOWING.

Emusan:


Of course do I expect you to believe, is it today you've been denying the scripture?

The scripture says: The Holy Spirit SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God

This is a proof that Holy Spirit knows the day of judgment whether He was mentioned by Jesus or not, whether Holy Spirit is a person or Not.

livingchrist:

Do you have brain at all? Chai

Barristter07:


Jesus didn't even have the power to know . " oNLy the Father " means He alone has that authority to know.


And He said to them, "It is not yours to know times or seasons that the Father put in place by His own authority. " Act 1:7

Emusan:


But your deluded brain was referring to John 17 that ALL AUTHORITY was given to Jesus.

You will see the clown giving ALL AUTHORITY different meanings now.
Just like I said, the scripture keeps putting your lying mouth in shame.

Once again, Jesus decided not to use His all-knowing attribute at that time.

Barristter07:


And Yet Jesus Boldly use the word ONLY the Father knows, which means he was lying , another person apart from the Father knows.

Barristter07:
Exactly why I tell you All things as it applies to Jesus and His Father are in different contexts

Jesus doesn't even have the power to know, The time or day is Strictly in the Father owns authority , Not Father and Son.