samuk:
[s]Like I said earlier, the dull ones are those that are quick to insults otherwise you can make your submission if you really believe in your argument. When you are being beaten, you quickly retort to insults to end the debate.

A well educated person with good upbringing and etiquette and sound knowledge sticks to the point.

You trying to discredit a publicly available channels TV interview of the Oba of Lagos shows you have no shame and can go to any length to show it.

Normally I wouldn't have time for people as low as you but for the sake of those people who you are trying to deceive with your lies[/s].

You obviously read that comment with your eyes full of tears.

This explains why you couldn’t see or understand a thing from it.

Or are you just been deliberately fraudulent as always?

Ideadoctor:
samudiot you wrote trash,complete trash,naso we mumu reach,idiot who are you composing history for!, if dem born you well Joke apart,go and speak this trash to yorubas in the real world that is when you will that khaki no be leather.
Wish I could see you face to face, to see that your distorted face, or worst still speak this trash in my hearing, I swear, I would correct your deficiency with beating, you f0cking sissy hiding behind keyboard to conquer lands,yeye,your father's no fit talk less of you boys with little experience of life and death,we don't joke, we take the street

Samu don suffer...

Etinosa1234:
The word official means approved by authority...

The Story that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa has been approved by Benin authorities ie Akenzua and Erediauwa... That makes it the official story of the origin of the Oba of Benin..

Not the fuss u are spewing here...

Pls what makes Cyril punch story official when not accepted by authority?

What was Cyril sources sef if not from the same Benin people...

Oral traditions vary in communities... The Yoruba Muslims believe Oduduwa came from Mecca, the Yoruba traditionalist believe he came from the sky.

Even in Benin history, there are different accounts as to the death of Ewuare 1, the story of emotan, the story of Arhuan and this stories get altered as time goes on

What makes an oral history accepted is when it is accepted by most people of which the ife story is not

So Cyril story is not valid especially as there was no known written work where he got his story from apart from the oral stories which can be twisted depending on who is saying it



Samuk

liars approving lies, who your lie help,we are great, and it is apparent. We are ancient, science confirmed it,we are unique the whole world say yes,if Benin say no,who are they?, just one irrelevant minor group,that has managed to gain popularity through international sex slavery. if you want me to feed you with more letters, quote me omode!

samuk:


Gbam, what more can I say, don't mind the yeye girl, she wants to promote one version of oral history that have no eyewitness evidence over another.

The Oduduwa story is nothing but oral history that can't be backed up with eyewitness historical evidence.

Who was there that documented Oduduwa life.

The Yoruba know they have no history, that's why they are now forcing the Benin to come down to their level to start discussing oral history.

This boy just they vex me,you want make I knock you out through phone, why you too dey dull and unlogical

where are these boys?, I really want to feed them today, but thank God osanobua had called them to sleep, if not maybe they will celebrate the new year in mild depression

Etinosa1234:
The word official means approved by authority.

The Story that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa has been approved by Benin authorities ie Akenzua and Erediauwa... That makes it the official story of the origin of the Oba of Benin. Not the fuss u are spewing here...

Can you direct me to your source where Oba Akenzua II approved or sanctioned the 1970s forgery ??

The only account which the Benin palace sanctions as “official” are those which Egharevba gathered from the court of Oba Akenzua II.

These accounts are the ones known as the “official” traditions. These accounts are those which the Palace grants to historians as the “official”.

As Bondarenko puts it, these accounts collected from Akenzua II’s court by Chief Egharevba are “the Benin “official” (i.e., traditionally recognized by Oba themselves and most widely spread among common Bini)”.

Despite the announcement of the apocryphal version in the late 1970s, the Bini historian, Prince E. B. Eweka 1989: iv, 15, 16, 18 continues to recognize the “official royalist tradition” for the sake of academia.

As I have demonstrated and as historians have noted, the recent apocryphal and deliberately unauthentic version continues to be in the public sphere for its purpose of shifting political goalposts.

Pls what makes Cyril punch story official when not accepted by authority?

What was Cyril sources sef if not from the same Benin people.

You probably followed my comment from the back of your phone.

Cyril Punch’s account has nothing to do with Oduduwa.

Oral traditions vary in communities... The Yoruba Muslims believe Oduduwa came from Mecca, the Yoruba traditionalist believe he came from the sky.

I’m quite certain that after you’ve relaxed your nerves, you would realize that I’m discussing historical accounts and not people’s personal or general religious beliefs.

The only obviously valid historical account of Oduduwa’s roots is that which originate ab-initio from the Yorubas themselves.

And that is the account which states definitively that Oduduwa is a Yoruba man who hailed from one of the hilly settlements surrounding the vast expanse of the Ife bowl — the Oke-Ora hill particularly.

And to correct a falsehood which Saamu has sweated tirelessly but in vain to perpetuate, this traditional account was not first put into writing in the year 2010.

Although I recognize that the year it was written would only be an issue IF there was an earlier contrary Yoruba-originated historical account to it. But there isn’t.

However, the historical work I cited in that thread was published in 2010 but its author was clearly citing two independent historians from a work published in 1992. And I did provide the reference.

Furthermore, Bondarenko cites Eluyemi 1990: 80 as well as Obayemi 1976: 210 for this same account where he specifically made reference to Eluyemi’s allusion to the archaeological exploration of Oke-Ora in an attempt to pinpoint the specific one of the seven hills around the Ife bowl which the traditions speak of.

Even in Benin history, there are different accounts as to the death of Ewuare 1, the story of emotan, the story of Arhuan and this stories get altered as time goes on

The bolded part of your comment here is the specific principle which answers your agitation.

In other words, the earliest account which originates locally is the closest to the untainted truth.

What makes an oral history accepted is when it is accepted by most people of which the ife story is not

Until “acceptance by the lay people” = “truth”.

Until then, you haven’t made any point here. I am not discussing what have been put before lay persons here. Instead, I am discussing the actual historical reality.

So Cyril story is not valid especially as there was no known written work where he got his story from apart from the oral stories which can be twisted depending on who is saying it

Your special pleading here is especially absurd for the following reasons.

(1) The same question you’ve asked here about the written source for Punch’s documentation should (by your principle) be raised about such written source itself.

This leads to an obviously absurd and meaningless rabbit hole of infinite regress of written sources.

(2) One may ask the same meaningless question about the historicity of the following Bini rulers: Eweka 1, Ewedo, Oguola, Ewuare 1, Ezoti, Olua, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua, Ehengbuda, and several others.

There are no written sources from their respective times which specifically identifies them and confirms their existence.

The first specifically identifiable documentation of their existence long after their respective reigns was thus from oral narration which says such & such was an Oba of Benin, son of such & such, did such & such, etc.

Would you now be consistent with your amateurish contention and reject all these personages as having nothing to do with Benin history?? No, I guess.

In fact, one may ask the same meaningless question about virtually all of Benin history recorded by the Europeans — from the Portuguese accounts downward.

Having shown the meaninglessness of your contention here; what an historian considers instead are the following:

(A) Mr Cyril Punch first collected a specific account about a certain Ekaladerhan from Benin.

(B) Chief Egharevba who came to the historical scene some fifty (50) years after Punch, also independently collected the same account about Ekaladerhan from Benin.

The conclusion here thus become apparent, and that is that:

We observe an evidence of historicity (or at least no deliberate foul play) since essentially the same account was collected independently from different Benin generations of some fifty (50) years apart.

And like you’ve rightly suggested, the foul plays would only begin in the later-day changes to the already documented account.

And this is precisely what we see with the apocryphal account of the 1970s which blatantly contradicts the received traditions of Ekalderahan.

Cc: Ideadoctor, babtoundey, Balogunodua, Obalufon sesan85, PORNeIlusHUBson

Some Bini miscreants from the backyard called Edo state are bringing their stupidity into this new year again. The easiest way for most minority monkeys to gain attention is for them to take jabs at yorubas by spreading falsehood and revisionist history but yet in the grand scheme of things they are greatly irrelevant and only represent the country in human trafficking and prostitution in Italy. Forget history, last time i checked one of the largest languages in Africa is Yoruba, Edo young one's can't even speak their language or go to their villages cus of fear of witchcraft. Even among Niger Delta states Edo is still a minority based on some metrics... it's a pity that our distant cousins have decided to go the part of a fool. An insult on the Yoruba is an insult to the oba of Benin, fools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re1wT7KsbZA

nocomment9999:
Guys, use the parts of the videos which are referenced.
This guy has already done the job.
I don't need to get myself tired.
I can go back to writing my paper.


Perharps it is time to make a topic on yoruba true history with references such as in the videos.
Also add all the proofs I gave.
The yoruba don't like history, they are interested in destroying history, not discovering it.
True history puts them to shame, so they must destroy it and claim other people's history.
You must show them their true history.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU&t=1662s




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

Etinosa1234
AreaFada2
Samuk
Valirex
Davidnazee
gregyboy

Summary For Quick Referencing

(1) “Yoruba” Founded In 1808 ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

(2) No Relationship Between Ife and Benin Prior To The 1800s ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

(3) Binis Militarily Invaded, Conquered, Settled in Lagos, and then Installed an Edo Prince as The First King ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783

(4) Binis Own The Word “Oba” ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

(5) Benin Obtained TRIBUTES from OYo ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413

(6) Benin Ruled Certain Eastern-Yoruba Kingdoms ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96519494

Cheers!

As Bondarenko puts it, these accounts collected from Akenzua II’s court by Chief Egharevba are “the Benin “official” (i.e., traditionally recognized by Oba themselves and most widely spread among common Bini)”.

Well Tao11 the next oba after him believed that the his grandfather was actually Ekaladerhan.. and it actually widely believed by the majority of Benin and that is now the new official account

Make of it what u want... I don't have time for back and forth early this year..

Good morning

I Sha know say I nor be omode ... So I go leave u make u think say u wise

Etinosa1234:
Well Tao11 the next oba after him believed that the his grandfather was actually Ekaladerhan.. and it actually widely believed by the majority of Benin and that is now the new official account

Make of it what u want... I don't have time for back and forth early this year..

Good morning

Ekaladerhan is whose grandfather? Erediauwa’s grandfather ??

This must be the latest forgery — the 2020 forgery. Lol.

Anyways, I’d presume that what you obviously tried to say here is that Omonoba Erediauwa (who succeeded Omonoba Akenzua II) came to believe an apocryphal “Ekaladerhan = Oduduwa (or Oranmiyan)” story.

However, these stories are the very ones which have been traced by historians and have been found to be forgeries.

I have also similarly proven and established this same fact on this thread [here].

In sum then, the official royalist tradition remains the actual historical reality regardless of the number of laypersons who have been coerced otherwise.

Cc: Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85

Ideadoctor:
You f0cking sissies comparing yourself with Israel and other minor nations who hold up against major aggressors, let me ask you do you have any updated arsenal or updated technologies that will serve you against Yoruba imperial power?

See this Yoruba miscreants Sha

If we should talk abt modern weapons, which modern weapons does the entire Yoruba have?

U think we are in the era of stick and cutlasses... ...okobo
Or have u guys developed a world class cutlass that we don't know abt...

The war will come and u guys will be shocked as to how y'all will be decimated quicker than expected...

This clown is talking of imperial power... Ur Oyo Empire was decimated majorly by the Fulanis... They even took Ilorin from u guys deceiving ur people...

Benin this Benin that, and biafrans ransacked your little gutter which you call city without your ball less men given any resistance, your big skirt chiefs ran up and down when biafrans announced their arrival with shells.

As expected, I always knew u were dumb but every day, it rises more than expected..

Now if u've actually read abt the Biafran war, u'll know that this talk u are saying is trash...

First of, Benin or lemme say Midwest was still under Nigeria... They were not an independent kingdom and they relied on the Nigerian army for help... So how do u expect the Midwest to defend themselves when they had no Standing army?

Also, according to Victor Banjo memoirs, he said that they took over Midwest without firing a single Bullet. Another source say there was little or no resistance by the Nigerian army .

Now to support this, Albert okonkwo set up Republic of Benin (which lasted for a day) to gain the support of the locals in the region ... But it clearly didn't work.. so now that I've explained this to u, can u tell me how the Biafran army ransacked Benin if u are not dumb?

Yoruba stood against the aggressors and no inch of their land was captured, now tell me you that biafrans sacked within a day, how much do we Yoruba need to ruin you, eyin omode! The glory of the war goes to the Yoruba, awolowo provide the strategy, Benjamin adekunle actualized it,talk less of you maggots, am ready for ya all bastards speaking trash all day long,let this be my new years gift to you f0cking worms

Its obvious that u are About to.break down in tears Sha... But before u cry completely... let me tell u that the Nigerian army that fought in ore was not made up of Yoruba only.. Otherwise Lagos would have been taken easily.. rather it was made up of Hausa, Fulani, Edo, ijaw, and a host of other tribes and not the false story u are trying to give us here

Also Benjamin adekunle has been demystified a couple of times in the war.. in fact he got a lot of help from the local communities otherwise he would have lost a lot of men and be demoted to private...

Benjamin that lost Owerri to the Biafrans...

In fact it was major adaka boro that helped him with the success that u Yoruba lots ascribed to him... Other than that he was just a clueless colonel

Balogunodua:

Kikikiki...so says Mr. Traveller.... let me guess you are also a French teacher..

Balogun my man, no update since yesterday... What happened?


Are u guys on strike?

Etinosa1234:



Balogun my man, no update since yesterday... What happened?


Are u guys on strike?

Let me enjoy my coronation as the new Oba of Benin...

Etinosa1234:
I Sha know say I nor be omode ... So I go leave u make u think say u wise

Hahahaha... there is no more lies for Edo miscreants..to bring forth


You are far below Omode...

Etinosa1234:

See this Yoruba miscreants Sha

If we should talk abt modern weapons, which modern weapons does the entire Yoruba have?

U think we are in the era of stick and cutlasses... ...okobo
Or have u guys developed a world class cutlass that we don't know abt...

The war will come and u guys will be shocked as to how y'all will be decimated quicker than expected...

This clown is talking of imperial power... Ur Oyo Empire was decimated majorly by the Fulanis... They even took Ilorin from u guys deceiving ur people...
As expected, I always knew u were dumb but every day, it rises more than expected..

Now if u've actually read abt the Biafran war, u'll know that this talk u are saying is trash...

First of, Benin or lemme say Midwest was still under Nigeria... They were not an independent kingdom and they relied on the Nigerian army for help... So how do u expect the Midwest to defend themselves when they had no Standing army?

Also, according to Victor Banjo memoirs, he said that they took over Midwest without firing a single Bullet. Another source say there was little or no resistance by the Nigerian army .

Now to support this, Albert okonkwo set up Republic of Benin (which lasted for a day) to gain the support of the locals in the region ... But it clearly didn't work.. so now that I've explained this to u, can u tell me how the Biafran army ransacked Benin if u are not dumb?

Its obvious that u are About to.break down in tears Sha... But before u cry completely... let me tell u that the Nigerian army that fought in ore was not made up of Yoruba only.. Otherwise Lagos would have been taken easily.. rather it was made up of Hausa, Fulani, Edo, ijaw, and a host of other tribes and not the false story u are trying to give us here

Also Benjamin adekunle has been demystified a couple of times in the war.. in fact he got a lot of help from the local communities otherwise he would have lost a lot of men and be demoted to private...

Benjamin that lost Owerri to the Biafrans...

In fact it was major adaka boro that helped him with the success that u Yoruba lots ascribed to him... Other than that he was just a clueless colonel

Kikikiki..... wailing won't save you from disgrace

Balogunodua:

Let me enjoy my coronation as the new Oba of Benin...

Congrats bro... I've been Ooni of ife for the past 5 years and I must say that kingship is not easy...

If u need any help, I can send my cultists on agege to come and assist u

Balogunodua:

Hahahaha... there is no more lies for Edo miscreants..to bring forth


You are far below Omode...

Its obvious that u are very bored.... My regards to ur mental Health

Etinosa1234:


Congrats bro... I've been Ooni of ife for the past 5 years and I must say that kingship is not easy...

If u need any help, I can send my cultists on agege to come and assist u

Kikikiki...

Even your Oba would slap you for this...

Go check on you brother...he might have been victim of cult war

Etinosa1234:


Its obvious that u are very bored.... My regards to ur mental Health

Yeyeyeyeye... when lie finish Dem go de form principal...


Kai! Edo peeps sha.....

Balogunodua:

Kikikiki...

Even your Oba would slap you for this...

Go check on you brother...he might have been victim of cult war

So u dinnor believe that I'm the Ooni of ife?

Lol I'd soon send one of my chiefs to deal with u

By the way check on ur grandfather grave...they might have mined his skull

Balogunodua:



Kikikiki..... wailing won't save you from disgrace

Just as clownery doesn't help ur cause

Balogunodua:

Yeyeyeyeye... when lie finish Dem go de form principal...


Kai! Edo peeps sha.....

k

Are u serious..

All this Yoruba miscreants sef

Etinosa1234:


So u dinnor believe that I'm the Ooni of ife?

Lol I'd soon send one of my chiefs to deal with u

By the way check on ur grandfather grave...they might have mined his skull

Stale...

Go check Ooooh your sister might have been trafficked to Italy for.............................

PORNeIlusHUBson:
Bro calm down... I'm not here to argue with u... I just wanted to set some things straight... After this post, I don't think I'll say anything more as I'm busy...

The fact that some praise name was posted on the internet doesn't mean that its official and its what the chiefs use consistently.. Let's get deeper into it

Firstly, I was surprised to see that u know the praise name of the oba of Benin even though u haven't personally been to the palace , associated with any of the palace chiefs or understand Benin language but the praise names of the Yoruba Obas are relatively unknown to average person. Well it could be due to the fact that the Benin own was posted online by someone knowledgeable in Benin customs and traditions...

Secondly praise names are dynamic not static, unofficial not official. It could change anytime depending on the person saying it. The way u praise ur Ooni can be different from the way another Yoruba will praise the Ooni so I don't see the fuss abt the praise name being an attribute of the oba originating from ife...

Also the inclusion of ikeji orisha and the other that doesn't have meaning in Benin language is also a clear proof that the originator of it is someone grounded in Benin and Yoruba languages... Someone born and bred in Benin will never think of a word called ikeji as it would seem jargons..not to think of using it to praise the Oba .. that would mean his head would be on a platter quickly

Now to the praise names, i think the first place u saw the praise names was when maco.f created a thread for it around August this year. The website he most likely got it from was this website below

https://igbodefender.com/2019/07/04/21-praise-names-of-the-oba-of-benin-that-would-make-you-want-to-become-a-king/

And the website source in turn was from a nairalander here
https://www.nairaland.com/5281210/oba-ewuare-edo-chiefs-visit#79933371

Now this poster before making this post had made mockery of the Oba here
https://www.nairaland.com/5281210/oba-ewuare-edo-chiefs-visit#79933305


So it can be obvious that the original poster was mischievous and decided to add Yoruba words to suit his narratives... A clear look at the guys post history shows that he is a Yoruba Muslim(or at least he was called) and not a Benin person... The poster wasnt even a palace chief so how did u then assume that the praises was official when praises for a person is dynamic

Let me point one loophole in his praise name,
The poster said Ovbi' Umogun Oza. Now there is no info out that the Oba's late mother Princess Egheniuwe Akenzua was from Oza. This is highly false.
Samuk, does this even mean "the child whose mother is from Oza".. I'm not that fluent in Benin that's why I'm asking...

Modified: I've checked the meaning of umogun and it is used to refer to the royal family.. if u watched videos of where the Oba is being hailed, some people say Umogun gha t'okpere which means Long Live the royal family.. ..... . Also the real way to say "the child whose mother is from Oza" is most likely ovbi Iye Oza and not the false narrative that u are pushing here

This further cast doubts on the authenticity of the praise name and its source

Lastly I have a video of a man praising the Oba of Benin and I never heard the praise names that u have been pushing here like everyone in Benin uses it

Now having said this, let me quickly say some things abt Oduduwa story... Samuel Johnson who is one of the first Yoruba historians to write abt Oduduwa mentioned that he was a mythical figure...
Egharevba didn't explicitly say that Oduduwa was from Ife.
Then Erediauwa gave his account of his own origin that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa in the 1970s...
Then as at 2010 one historian claimed that Oduduwa was from Ife.
This more recent claim would seem like an attempt to remove the mystery of Oduduwa origin...

Well to each his own, Benin believe Oduduwa came from Benin while Ife believe otherwise ... To each their own

I'm busy now Sha... I've said my own
Gregyboy
Etinosa1234
Edeyoung

Oga, those are the praise names of the Oba of Benin, your delusional protestations and denials notwithstanding. Once again, go to bed.

Etinosa1234:


Just as clownery doesn't help ur cause

Cry me a River... your Benin mushroom empire was squashed...

Etinosa1234:
k

Are u serious..

All this Yoruba miscreants sef

No more lies to parade...

PORNeIlusHUBson:
•••The website he most likely got it from was this website below

https://igbodefender.com/2019/07/04/21-praise-names-of-the-oba-of-benin-that-would-make-you-want-to-become-a-king/

And the website source in turn was from a nairalander here
https://www.nairaland.com/5281210/oba-ewuare-edo-chiefs-visit#79933371

Now this poster before making this post had made mockery of the Oba here
https://www.nairaland.com/5281210/oba-ewuare-edo-chiefs-visit#79933305•••

There is one more alternative you ‘mistakenly’ left out ?

Could he have also gotten it from the Edo nation webpage below ?? Lol

https://www.edo-nation.net/appell.htm

Cc: sesan85, Idedoctor, balogunodua, Obalufon

TAO11:
First of all, there is no such thing as “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” in Benin oral tradition.

These are only present in Benin forged stories which were invented in the 1970s. I would clarify.

Historians, for example, name these forged stories [of “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] as the Benin “deliberately unauthentic” stories.

Do historians regard these stories as forgery simply because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed feeling that way? Obviously not.

These [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] stories are found to be forgeries for the simple reason that much earlier documented Benin tradition debunks these stories.

For example, some eighty (80) years before these [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] stories were invented, Mr. Cyril Punch had documented the Benin tradition about Ekaladerhan.

Mr Cyril Punch’s documentation of the tradition about Ekaladerhan around the year 1889 (and quoted in Roth 1903) shows categorically that Ekaladerhan has absolutely nothing to do with Ife.

The beginning and ending of the Ekaladerhan episode from Mr Cyril Punch’s documentation as quoted in H. L. Roth, 1903, pp. 53-54. is as follows:

Ekaladerhan fled Benin due to a grave scandal; he founded the kingdom of Ughoton; he ultimately reached a mutual solemn compromise with Benin, namely that:

His “independent sovereignty” is allowed at his new kingdom of Ughoton, but he was not return to Benin again.

Following this documentation of the Benin episode of Ekaladerhan (which shows both his independent sovereignty at Ughoton and his truce with Benin); Chief Egharevba also grew up to independently collect the same tradition about Ekaladerhan some fifty (50) years after Punch.

It took another 80+ years after Punch for some Bini ‘miscreants’ (Omoregie 1970, Edebiri 1970, Akenzua 1971, and Iyare 1973) to to attempt a reversal of the already documented Benin episode of Ekaladerhan.

The first of these Bini ‘miscreants’ first Ekaladerhan as one and the same person with Oranmiyan. However, those who followed his lead thought it was better to equate him with Oduduwa instead.

Not minding their revisions’ external contradictions with Egharevba’s older documentation (and with Punch’s much older documentation); these Bini ‘miscreants’ couldn’t name a single informant of their strange claims, neither could they cite a source of information.

Having exposed the forgery of the [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” stories; it is noteworthy to mention what the classical Benin oral tradition says about the person of Oduduwa himself prior to the 1970s Benin forgeries.

The official Benin tradition collected by Chief Egharevba from Benin (particularly from Benin court) decades before the just debunked 1970s forgeries has it in summary as follows:

Benin’s rulers, prior to the present dynasty, were known as the Ogiso. This earlier monarchy came to an end when its last ruler, Ogiso Owodo, was banished by the people for misrule and cruelty.

His only heir to the throne, Ekaladerhan, who would have succeeded him had earlier fled a grave scandal to Ughoton where he lived and died having being under a solemn concession of never stepping foot in Benin again.

The Binis then decided to set up of ‘republican form government’ with a native commoner Evian as the leader of the Binis.

At his old age, Evian unilaterally names his son ‘Ogiamien’ (aka. ‘Ogiamwen’) to be his successor as the Benin leader after him.

The Benin elders reacted to Evian’s unilateral decision and abuse of power by dispatching an embassy to Ife in the Yoruba country asking the Ooni to send one of his sons to Benin because as Chief Egharevba puts it:

“Things were getting from bad to worse and the people saw that there was need for a capable ruler.”

The Bini elders called upon Ife for “a capable ruler” as their last argument in their struggle against Evian and Ogiamien et al., and as a return to the beginnings in which the Ogiso foundation itself was set by Ife.

Oranmiyan was eventually sent from Ife accompanied by several courtiers. He had a son, Eweka, born to him by the daughter of the Onogie of Ego.

He stayed only a few years but requested that his baby son be installed as oba in his stead whenever the boy becomes grown enough.

It is further said in this received traditions that there was no serious resistance throughout his stay (and during his son’s reign up to the third reign) since Ogiamie still held sway in the city, while he was based at Usama – the part of the city where his hosts (the Bini Elders) resided.

It is received that real confrontation and resistance from Ogiamien and his factions began during the fourth reign when Ewedo decided to move the seat of his government from Usama to the site of the present palace.

Ogiamien was said in the received traditions to be defeated in the course of this struggle and Ewedo was able to consolidate his hold on the city and hence the throne.

Refer to: J. Uwadiae Egharevba, A Short History of Benin, 1968, pp. 1-10. This is an English edition of the earlier Edo publication released in 1934.


LOL! First of all, as I have demonstrated above, the “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” stories are forgeries NOT for the incoherent and meaningless reason you’ve mentioned here.

No! They are forgeries for a separate reason – a coherent and meaningful reason. They are forgeries because the documented accounts from Benin which predates them by 80+ years exposes them to be so.

You mean that Benin would rather dwell on its absolute absence of contemporaneous textual evidence to substantiate the existence of your fathers & heroes such as: Eweka 1, Ewedo, Oguola, Ewuare 1, Ezoti, Olua, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua, Ehengbuda, and several others?? Wonderful!!

All that Benin history have as evidence to prove the existence of these personages are the multiple oral traditions which name these persons and claim that they existed. There is zero contemporaneous textual evidence to substantiate their existence.

Now, do you still insist on the laughably ignorant and meaningless claim that oral traditional accounts are nOtHiNg bUt mYtHs?? Or have you made up your mind to continue to rELiSh mYtHs aS hIsTorY?? Lol!


Cc: Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85

It's really amusing and mind-boggling the lenght these clowns shamelessly embark on to manufacture spurious, ahistorical horseshit. They just woke up one day with some nonsensical Izoduwa, Imadoduwa, Idoduwa, yet none of the manufactured names were mentioned to the Europeans by their ancestors, but you have mentions of Oduduwa here and there in their REAL, non-revisionist oral traditions.
Just look at their bold attempt to turn Oranmiyan into some asinine "Omonoyon."

I remember when these buffoons used to argue that Eti-Osa was originally Etinosa, or that Apongbon was originally Agbongbon, until we told them the meaning of Eti-Osa in Yoruba and that Apongbon means "reddish beards" in Yoruba and was named after controversial British/Scottish consul/merchant in Lagos William McCoskry because of his reddish beards. If you take a peep into their various revisionist sites, you'll see them shamelessly claiming Ifa, Orunmila, Eshu, Shango, Olokun, Aiyelala, Ogun etc, and accusing the Yorubas of stealing these deities from them! I'm so tired of their nonsense hence I go uncouth on them. They don't deserve my civility.

sesan85:
Oga, those are the praise names of the Oba of Benin, your delusional protestations and denials notwithstanding. Once again, go to bed.

Just as the praise name of the Ooni of ife is

Ovbi Ekaladerhan
The Child of Ekaladerhan

Eniti Benin se Oba
The One Benin made king

Omo Ogiso ti owa lati orun...
The Child of the ogiso that came from the sky

Hope u'll also agree with me...

At least I've educated u and others will continue to use this post as reference to ur false claims of Oba praise... U can choke on ur ignorance for all I care

Anytime u post this, I'll continue to refer u to this

sesan85:
It's really amusing and mind-boggling the lenght these clowns shamelessly embark on to manufacture spurious, ahistorical horseshit. They just woke up one day with some nonsensical Izoduwa, Imadoduwa, Idoduwa, yet none of the manufactured names were mentioned to the Europeans by their ancestors, but you have mentions of Oduduwa here and there in their REAL, non-revisionist oral traditions.
Just look at their bold attempt to turn Oranmiyan into some asinine "Omonoyon."

I remember when these buffoons used to argue that Eti-Osa was originally Etinosa, or that Apongbon was originally Agbongbon, until we told them the meaning of Eti-Osa in Yoruba and that Apongbon means "reddish beards" in Yoruba and was named after controversial British/Scottish consul/merchant in Lagos William McCoskry because of his reddish beards. If you take a peep into their various revisionist sites, you'll see them shamelessly claiming Ifa, Orunmila, Eshu, Shango, Olokun, Aiyelala, Ogun etc, and accusing the Yorubas of stealing these deities from them! I'm so tired of their nonsense hence I go uncouth on them. They don't deserve my civility.

Benin people’s matter actually deserves some thirty minutes on “Nkan-Nbe”!