Kobojunkie:
I think you should focus a bit more on the point at hand rather than running all over the place with this.

Again, we are on your claim about Paul and the Romans... Try to remain focused and get to the point here.

it will lead you to your answer. Why the Jesus movement finally ended up in the hands of the Romans. it wasn't by mistake.

Kobojunkie:
What in the word?

You are the one here claiming Saul was not a Jew. Are you trying to suggest that because we do not have his parents names and the name of his siblings means he was indeed not a jew?

for a man with such a position, come on bro, the Bible don't miss out on such information.

harmargedon:
it will lead you to your answer. Why the Jesus movement finally ended up in the hands of the Romans. it wasn't by mistake.

Ok, I'll bite. Why did the Jesus movement supposedly end up in the hands of the Romans?

Kobojunkie:
Ok, I'll bite. Why did the Jesus movement supposedly end up in the hands of the Romans?

in one word 'power'

harmargedon:
for a man with such a position, come on bro, the Bible don't miss out on such information.

Actually, we are also not given ancestors details on all of the other news mentioned in the same Bible. So, yes, not all information was considered necessary. In Saul's case, I fail to see how knowing the names of his parents would have benefited us any since they were not important to the story nor the Jesus Movement.

harmargedon:
in one word 'power'

Kobojunkie:
Actually, we are also not given ancestors details on all of the other news mentioned in the same Bible. So, yes, not all information was considered necessary. In Saul's case, I fail to see how knowing the names of his parents would have benefited us any since they were not important to the story nor the Jesus Movement.

it was. that showed that a particular person at that time had an ancestral link with Abraham. in the case of if you know one you will know the other.

Kobojunkie:

you're wondering how right?

harmargedon:
you're wondering how right?

No, I am thinking you are just trying to waste my time with baseless assertions.

harmargedon:
it was. that showed that a particular person at that time had an ancestral link with Abraham. in the case of if you know one you will know the other.

Again, Saul's link mattered not to the Jesus Movement. All that mattered was who he was at the time he became a part of the group and from what we know, Saul was a Sadducee, student to Gamaliel, a Roman citizen born to Jewish parents in the city of Tarsus.
Yes, at the time, his parents had to be Jewish for him to have studied to become a sadducee and under Gamaliel for that matter. Timothy, who instead had a Greek father, and a Jewish mother, was not allowed the same privilege because he was not considered Jewish enough to even enter the temple.

Kobojunkie:
No, I am thinking you are just trying to waste my time with baseless assertions.

Paul made them to see that you can conquer the world not with weapons and soldiers but by spreading the good news. Take a look at us today, The days of the week, the names of the month, the solar system, even the birth day of Jesus, the head of Christianity and many more all revolve round Rome.

harmargedon:
Paul made them to see that you can conquer the world not with weapons and soldiers but by spreading the good news. Take a look at us today, The days of the week, the names of the month, the solar system, even the birth day of Jesus, the head of Christianity and many more all revolve round Rome.

Paul made them, who, see what now?
Where do you get these from?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Saul's link mattered not to the Jesus Movement. All that mattered was who he was at the time he became a part of the group and from what we know, Saul was a Sadducee, student to Gamaliel, a Roman citizen born to Jewish parents in the city of Tarsus.

I'm glad you said from what you know. From Jewish based research saul wasn't.

harmargedon:
I'm glad you said from what you know. From Jewish based research saul wasn't.

What Jewish based research?

Kobojunkie:
Paul made them, who, see what now? Where do you get these from?

the people he worked for, the Romans.

harmargedon:
the people he worked for, the Romans.

Assertions..baseless.. I need facts...evidence of your many assertions...not more nonsense.

Kobojunkie:
What Jewish based research?

if I wake up one morning and tell the Yoruba tribe that I'm one of them because I have my parents in Lagos and I bear a Yoruba name, does that make me one of them?

Kobojunkie:
Assertions..baseless.. I need facts...evidence of your many assertions...not more nonsense.

ok, let me give you a recent one. Do you know how emperor Constantine won the battle on the milvian bridge?

harmargedon:
if I wake up one morning and tell the Yoruba tribe that I'm one of them because I have my parents in Lagos and I bear a Yoruba name, does that make me one of them?

Again, what evidence do you have for the claims you make.

harmargedon:
ok, let me give you a recent one. Do you know how emperor Constantine won the battle on the milvian bridge?

Saul live in the first century while Constantine lived in the 3rd, about 200 years apart, so I fail to see why the name Constantine is being brought up here.

Kobojunkie:
Saul live in the first century while Constantine lived in the 3rd, about 200 years apart, so I fail to see why the name Constantine is being brought up here.

since you want to stick to saul, just one question, how did Saul die?

Kobojunkie:
Saul live in the first century while Constantine lived in the 3rd, about 200 years apart, so I fail to see why the name Constantine is being brought up here.

we have no information about a man whose books covers majority of the new testament. ain't something fishy.

harmargedon:
since you want to stick to saul, just one question, how did Saul die?

This has nothing to do with sticking with Paul but with instead with validating claims you make against what is indeed known.

The Bible remains the primary soul of details on Saul, and many of the other apostles mentioned in the Bible. If you will make claims about them that are not recorded in the Bible, be sure to provide extra-biblical reference to back up said claims.

As for how Paul die, there are different stories out there, the most detailed being that he was run through with a sword by Nero who we know was Roman emperor around the time of Paul's death.

harmargedon:
we have no information about a man whose books covers majority of the new testament. ain't something fishy.

The man did not write books but instead wrote letters which were mostly lost to us. James and Jude wrote letters too, and we dont know much about them either.

Kobojunkie:
This has nothing to do with sticking with Paul but with instead with validating claims you make against what is indeed known.

The Bible remains the primary soul of details on Saul, and many of the other apostles mentioned in the Bible. If you will make claims about them that are not recorded in the Bible, be sure to provide extra-biblical reference to back up said claims.

As for how Paul die, there are different stories out there, the most detailed being that he was run through with a sword by Nero who we know was Roman emperor around the time of Paul's death.

it's still a story not a fact. in 70AD the first church was erected where he died in his memory after his death, a peaceful one actually,

Kobojunkie:
The man did not write books but instead wrote letters which were mostly lost to us. James and Jude wrote letters too, and we dont know much about them either.

I can tell you who they were if you're interested.

harmargedon:
it's still a story not a fact. in 70AD the first church was erected where he died in his memory after his death, a peaceful one actually,

It is a story and not fact but your claim that a first church was supposedly erected at the site of his death is fact?

harmargedon:
I can tell you who they were if you're interested.

you mean you can tell me who you suppose they were, right?

I suggest you please go back through this discussion in time so you understand that your claims have been plenty but evidence to back up your claims next to none.

Kobojunkie:
It is a story and not fact but your claim that a first church was supposedly erected at he site of his death is fact?

yes, it has his tomb with his name clearly written on it. the story was that he was killed, fact is he wasn't.

harmargedon:
yes, it has his tomb with his name clearly written on it. the story was that he was killed, fact is he wasn't.

Wrong! That story is made up. In 70AD Rome, Christians were still not welcomed, as they were seen as a rogue group of sorts not for anything they were actually guilty of. So how could they have, while experiencing persecution in all parts of the empire, erect a Church essentially announcing themselves in the same country? You need to think these things through.

Kobojunkie:
you mean you can tell me who you suppose they were, right?

I suggest you please go back through this discussion in time so you understand that your claims have been plenty but evidence to back up your claims next to none.

you cannot get full information about people from the Bible, I'll give you a book to read, search for the book written by Titus Flavius Josephus, you'll get your answers there. but if you still need more then I'll tell you.

harmargedon:
you cannot get full information about people from the Bible, I'll give you a book to read, search for the book written by Titus Flavius Josephus, you'll get your answers there. but if you still need more then I'll tell you.

Josephus did not write in entirety on the characters in the Bible so, while what he wrote is of importance to historians, it does not in anyway serve to change accounts as recorded in the Bible.