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|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by shadeyinka(m): 8:29am On Jan 01|
Blabbermouth:Yes, He does!
Yahweh/Jehovah is His name.
Jesus is the name given to God with US.
God (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the FATHER
God (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the WORD
God (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the (Holy) SPIRIT
On earth, the WORD is known in His physical capacity as the Son is known as Jesus!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:37am On Jan 01|
It's OK Mr Emusan please continue in the things you were taught to believe so far it's yielding positive results Sir! 1Timothy 4:15
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by shadeyinka(m): 8:39am On Jan 01|
bingbagbo:You are not quite precise sir!
The Father is NOT the Word
The Word is NOT the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is NOT the Father
God is the Father
God is the Word
God is the Holy Spirit.
For proper comprehension:
My Soul is NOT my Body
My Body is NOT my Spirit
My Spirit is NOT my Soul
I am my Body
I am my Soul
I am my Spirit
The same me but three identities
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:45am On Jan 01|
I think it's all about the different versions we are using Sir!
So try comparing verses from different versions, that's the KJV and NWT referring to the sons of God as morning Stars Sir!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by sonmvayina(m): 9:16am On Jan 01|
Whst is the difference ? Both are fictional characters....
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by sonmvayina(m): 9:21am On Jan 01|
Holy spirit or evil spirit both are God's property...
Whatever anybody says again is just ignorant...
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 9:42am On Jan 01|
MaxInDHouse:"16All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
17God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work."
- 2 Timothy 3:16-17
MaxInDHouse, all Scripture is inspired by God (i.e. all scripture is given by inspiration of God) but not all translation of Scripture as done in 1961 by Frederick W. Franz, who happened to be the main translator of scripture for use by Jehovah's Witnesses or The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (i.e. WTBTS) is inspired by God nor done by inspiration of God
Frederick W. Franz's New World Translation (i.e. NWT) even worse, is a poor translation from the original Koine Greek. Words have been added, deleted, inserted, invented, changed and modifications made to change scripture so to navigate round doctrinal difficulties and make scripture agree with Jehovah's Witnesses' heresies and suspect theology. You have a perfect example there of New World Translation (i.e. NWT) changing the wording "the morning stars" in Job 38:7 to "the sons of God"
I often, now and then, do read the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) but its always done with a "grain of salt" I advise that you should begin to start to do the same too, otherwise you'll continue to unnecessarily be going in the direction of needless arguments, lmso.
Now here's the truth, point and fact, right from the word go, Jehovah's Witnesses have set off on the wrong foot and with fraudulence right from the foundational level and so in the hands of the unsuspecting, inexperienced and the not aware, the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) can be chancy and misleading translation to be only reading. I won't mince words in saying that the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) should not be read, taken not accepted at face value, but to look deeper for its veiled intent and uncover what its translators have carefully and clearly hidden away or introduced
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by L0g1C(m): 10:10am On Jan 01|
MaxInDHouse:Does a non-personal force speak
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40am On Jan 01|
MaxInDHouse:King David in Psalm 51:11, referred to it as "qodesh ruach" It is called a person, because as I earlier shared about its nature, it has combination of real human being characteristics and/or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.
An electric force, doesnt have real human being personalities so it isnt called a person. The force of a dam wall hasn't got any real human being personality so it isnt called a person. The Holy Spirit has real human being personalities hence why in that respect it is a person, lmso
L0g1C:Non-personal force may speak but not speak in conventional way(s)
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:48am On Jan 01|
It's OK Mr Muttleylaff, i pasted both rendering of the KJV and NWT. I'm sure you know that JWs aren't responsible for the interpretation of KJV Sir!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:49am On Jan 01|
Actions speaks louder than words!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by sonmvayina(m): 10:50am On Jan 01|
Just like this meme is saying...
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 11:06am On Jan 01|
MaxInDHouse:I earlier told you didnt I, that you aren't ready to be exposed to the truth, fact and reality, lmso.
Both KJV and NWT are translations, that weren't inspired by God. Now, if KJV is not inerrant, what makes you believe that your Jehovah's Witnesses 1961 NWT that makes many false and misleading statements on many subjects, topics and even God directly, would be an exception, hmm?
MaxInDHouse:This is just a figure of speech and not to be taking literally. You wouldnt believe that cats and dogs really drop from the sky during a heavy rainfall, would you, erhn?
Silence speaks volume, is another figure of speech, not to be literally taken
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:52pm On Jan 01|
You may say something is wrong but one thing i know is error can't produce good results Sir! Matthew 7:16-18
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 3:17pm On Jan 01|
shadeyinka:"13Then Moses asked God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ What should I tell them?”
14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.
16Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—has appeared to me and said: I have surely attended to you and have seen what has been done to you in Egypt.
17And I have promised to bring you up out of your affliction in Egypt, into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.’"
- Exodus 3:13-17
"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them
(i.e. but I did not make Myself known to them by My holy name, Yahweh/Jehovah/YHWH"
- Exodus 6:3
Blabbermouth, do you in the slightest understand what made this declaration come about hmm? Are you familiar with phrases or colloquials like, "I'll show you what my name is" or "You will know my name after I am done dealing with you" or "Pele made a name for himself playing football for Santos"
The word, God, obviously, we both accept and know, isnt the name of God, but is a verb word. Incidentally, the name of God, that is built on from the words for "I AM", is too, related to a verb of action. We know, God is known by what He does and that in Exodus 6:3, is exactly what He was communicating to Moses that He appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, but they never witnessed/experienced a demonstration of why He, God, is called/known as "I AM" and that the Israelites and any that cross them or tries to prevent the Israelites from getting to the Promised Land will soon find out
What you see unfolding in the two above scripture references, is God making a name for Himself. It is God making a name that He will be renowned for. He planned to become whatsoever is necessary for Him to be for the Israelites and He said by that descriptor expressive name "I AM", is what He wants to forever be known for or be famous for. "I AM" is a prominent self clearly expressed and easily understood name, that God made for Himself, to be remembered by. I repeat "I AM" is not God's personal name but rather it is descriptor expression using the four Hebrew alphas, Y, H, W and H, also known as the "The Tetragrammaton"
YHWH, the "The Tetragrammaton", which is a composition of those four YHWH letters, that form the Hebrew word, from which the four letters transliterated as YHWH and articulated as Yahweh, is not God's personal name
I repeat, on three different and separate occasions, what is God's personal name was asked and on each of those three different and separate occasions, the request to reveal what the personal name of God was not granted.
I restate that, the word Yahweh, is a descriptor and is not all God's personal name. The word comes from a root word that means "to become," which is from how God told Moshe aka Moses to the tell the Israelites that "I will become what I choose to become" is who sent him to them when he Moshe aka Moses, asked for God's name. God sidestepped giving Moshe aka Moses any name but instead offered him the Yahweh descriptor (i.e. I AM that I AM or I AM who I AM or even I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE or I will become what I choose to become)
God is not an obscure God The exploits He did, the triumphs He achieved, how He brought Pharaoh and Egypt to their knees et cetera, He said, is how He is to be remembered in every generation (i.e. remembered to be known as "I AM'')
"But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I AM?”
Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”"
- Mark 8:29
"2Now Judas also, who was betraying Him, knew the place, for Jesus had often met there with His disciples.
3Judas then, having received the Roman cohort and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons.
4So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, “Whom do you seek?”
5They answered Him, “Jesus the Nazarene.” He said to them, “I AM He.”
And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them.
6So when He said to them, “I AM He,” they drew back and fell to the ground."
- John 18:2-6
See Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, at Mark 8:2, dropping subtle hints and leaving telltale signs that He is YHWH too, lmso.
The striking, absolute and overwhelming power of the pronouncing "I AM" (i.e. ehyeh, from Ehyeh Asher-Ehyeh, I AM that I AM aka YHWH) at John 18:5-6, caught everyone by surprise, that the extent of the powerful effect of "I AM," made them go backward and yakata fall to the ground. Praise God. Alleluia.
Since the subject of the thread's discussion is "Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name?" and not "Does God Have A Name?" then I'll leave talking about YHWH alone to refocus on shedding more light on dealing with "Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name?" to recapitulate that King David in Psalm 51:11, referred to the Holy Spirit as "qodesh ruach" That word "qodesh" inside "qodesh ruach" used by king David signifies yearning for the part of the Godhead that is hallow, holy, dedicated et cetera. Tbh, king David was ahead of his time, when he was in Old Testament Psalm 51:11 times, requesting for the Spirit of Holiness what we in New Testament times have come to realise are know to be the "The Holy Spirit"
Should I shock you a bit Blabbermouth, lmso. The "The Holy Spirit" is God and so just as the personal name of God is unrevealed, so is the "The Holy Spirit's," meaning, we dont have any disclosed personal name of the "The Holy Spirit"
Why anyway, would anyone want or need the name of the "The Holy Spirit" for? It is not, as if you can pray to the "The Holy Spirit". Its not, as if you can worship the "The Holy Spirit" lmso.
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 3:37pm On Jan 01|
MaxInDHouse:The armed robber who successfully held up a bank and made away with bundles of high denomination paper notes money, according to him, sees a daring crime and the error of his ways, like that, to have paid off and produce good results for him Sir!
MaxInDHouse, this is new year, and the first day of the new year for that matter, please lets not start it, with deceiving ourselves. You know, just as well as I do, that there are no bible translations, whether it's called NWT or not called NWT, that is 100% error free.
What is the point in you chasing cheap clout and trying to subtle shade with Matthew 7:16-18, hmm? Jehovah's Witnesses fart just like every other human beings do fart, and Jehovah's Witnesses' fart isnt deodorised, your fart and Jehovah's Witnesses' too do smell, so please dont again try to covertly be picking up stones to throw, because you do live in a glass house and as someone who lives in a glass house, you ought to know better not to be throwing stones, lmso
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:49pm On Jan 01|
The bolded clearly shows you don't understand what good results means when we're talking about God's word, but i'll enlighten you!
A thief has caused pain and grief to thousands in the society where he lives, people in the neighborhood knew his standard of living that means he has to start hiding, lying and fearful of so many things since he never worked for the things he wants to make his own. Surely what he did never brought a good result both to him and the society in which he lives.
On the other hand God's word if applied will bring LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the gathering of all those adhering to it. It's a pity you're still a small boy when talking about divine wisdom Sir!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by Moneywell(f): 3:59pm On Jan 01|
Yes...his name is Jesus
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 4:03pm On Jan 01|
MaxInDHouse:Your knee jerk reply shows you aren't quick to understanding and not slow to speak.
Now here is the point you missed in my post, and it is that "good result" is relative, lmso. Lets home in on to you. What you reckon are "good result" from being a member of Jehovah's Witnesses, isnt necessary and at all "good result"
I am surprised that, in a newly 2021, you still havent refrained from doing ad hominem(s) and also being self-conceited, lmso, smh sigh. So you know more know, yeah, I am a small boy but with a very big God. Thank you very much. Praise God. Alleluia!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:13pm On Jan 01|
Good result when the society is peaceful, joyful and loving, not when few amassed the wealth of the land and built heavy gates with high fence and pitbulls to scare away their hungry neighbors! Theres nothing good in armed robbers robbing a bank and taking away the hard-earned money of their fellow citizens Sir!
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't see anything good when few are enjoying at the detriment of many.
So what God's people view as good result is what benefits everyone Sir!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 4:28pm On Jan 01|
MaxInDHouse:1/ Are you always this slow to understand the distinction painted to show how "good result" is relative and that value, depends on who is estimating or calculating, lmso.
2/ Is everything good within JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, lmso?
3/ Are all good within JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, lmso, hmm?
4/ Is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) bible translation, a 100% error free good result?
5/ Do you and everyone else as a Jehovah's Witnesses' benefit from the same perks that the few GB enjoy, lmso?
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:45pm On Jan 01|
It's now clear what you detest so much but i'll repeat it always that there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE amongst God's people!
So quoting the Bible and speaking grammar is not the evidence of God's holy spirit but what's obtainable in the midst of those adhering to God's word!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MrPRevailer(m): 4:56pm On Jan 01|
The HolySpirit is a person. "He" not "It"
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 5:04pm On Jan 01|
Smh KMFT sigh.
What a complete case of confused dot com.
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 5:12pm On Jan 01|
MrPRevailer:Why are you specifically mentioning me and what's it about?
MrPRevailer:Of course a He, but I dont think our self satisfying, self conceited, high and mighty Jehovah's Witnesses MaxInDHouse has good sense enough to accord this respect, peculiar high regard and right to the "The Holy Spirit"
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:46pm On Jan 01|
No wahala Sir, just present the positive result of the presence of Mr Holy Spirit in any gathering you know that's all Sir! James 2:18-26
May you have PEACE!
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by Emusan(m): 6:24pm On Jan 01|
You don't need to tell me this simply because we've been doing that and Jesus Christ has been faithful with us and increasing our fruits as Jesus Himself said "Without me you can do NOTHING" and "Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me."
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 6:33pm On Jan 01|
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by FreelanceRebel: 7:41pm On Jan 01|
The promise of my (the) Father
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by FreelanceRebel: 7:47pm On Jan 01|
Wrong! Everything started falling away from the first quote.
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by Janosky: 8:00pm On Jan 01|
Bros , why your Job 38:7 GIBBERISH?
|Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by Janosky: 8:19pm On Jan 01|
Very DUBIOUS claim to support a man made scam.
The English language Bible Translators DUBIOUSLY fixed "He" in that verse.
Romans 8:16,26, John 1:32, Romans 8:16, Romans 8:26, and I Peter 1:11KJV accurately reads " holy spirit ITSELF" as it is in the Greek manuscript , because the Translators knew that's the proper and accurate rendition every time. .
If you DUBIOUSLY claim that the finger of God is a person, you are also LYING that the eyes and ears of God are persons.
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