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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by DappaD: 7:09pm On Jan 15, 2021
KNOWMORE56:


The only separation found in the Word is between sheep and goats ( Matthew 25:32-33).
All the sheep shall be in one place (the kingdom of God the Son) with Jesus...( John 14:1-5; revelation 21: 3; Matthew 25:34).
In the same way, all the goats shall be in one place ( the lake of fire) with the devil...( Matthew 25:41; revelation 20:10-15)



How watch tower wants us to accept it narration more than the Word is ludicrous.





Sometimes the way most of you talk amaze me honestly. You really think any one is being forced to be a Jehovah’s Witness? The more than 8million men and women across the globe all hold Psalm 110:3 to heart because they’ve all put faith(trust) in Jehovah(Isaiah 30:15, Hebrews 11:1,6)and they’ve all offered themselves willingly to be servants of Jehovah. Isaiah 43:10-12
So contrary to the view you have, it’s not by force and nobody will beg you either. Deuteronomy 30:16-20

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by DappaD: 7:32pm On Jan 15, 2021
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The only separation found in the Word is between sheep and goats ( Matthew 25:32-33).
All the sheep shall be in one place (the kingdom of God the Son) with Jesus...( John 14:1-5; revelation 21: 3; Matthew 25:34).
In the same way, all the goats shall be in one place ( the lake of fire) with the devil...( Matthew 25:41; revelation 20:10-15)
How watch tower wants us to accept it narration more than the Word is ludicrous.



I saw how you quickly dodged the whole “new heavens, new earth” matter because you aren’t knowledgeable enough to that extent so the real meaning had been hidden from you. Isaiah 6:9,10; Matthew 13:15

Please what is the criteria for judgment in Matthew 25:40? Doesn’t it highlight support for Christ’s “brothers”?
So if the sheep in Matthew 25:33 are already Christ’s “brothers”, why does Jesus still say that they give support to them?

Who is Jesus calling his “brothers”? It’s obviously not the sheep in Matthew 25:33 because he said that those ones give support to his “brothers”. This already means that there are two categories of ‘righteous’ ones. Compare Revelation 7:1-17

That will still bring us to the whole “little flock” issue. Because those whom are the new spiritual Israel are all Abraham’s “offspring” in the sense of being anointed of God’s holy spirit and Abraham’s offspring number into a total of 144,001(yes that’s right, including Jesus Christ) Genesis 3:15, Galatians 3:26-29, Revelation 14:1-5

That’s why he was calling a set of people in Matthew 25:40 his “brothers” because they all had Jehovah’s name figuratively inscribed on their foreheads. Revelation 7:1-8

In what ways do these “sheep” in Matthew 25:33 assist Christ’s brothers? Well earlier, it was prophesied at Zechariah 8:23 that there would come a time when men from the nations would firmly grip the cloak of a “Jew” i.e. the new spiritual Israel[Galatians 6:16] and would go with them into Jehovah’s holy mountain. Isaiah 2:2-4
So these “sheep” give their support to Christ’s brothers by helping them fulfill the command given at Matthew 24:14, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8.

So as Matthew 25:40 has already stated plainly, your survival depends on you identifying Christ’s brothers and giving your support to them before the time for the final judgment arrives.
2Thess. 1:7-9
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by reubenobi(m): 8:06pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
This Parable began it's fulfilment in the year 1914 when Jesus was enthroned in heaven, only JW Organization knew this!
Before then the fulfilment of the Parable of Jesus' fine seed and Satan's weed was coming to it's end {Matthew 13:24-30} after Jesus' ascension to heaven Satan's masterminded the extermination of the pioneers of Christianity and established the Antichrist (Pagan Roman Catholic Church) this continued to dominate the scene until America declared freedom of speech expression and worship. That's when Charles Taze Russell and his group could form a group of Bible students association, digging for Spiritual gems. And by the year 1914 Jesus was enthroned in heaven, he ousted Satan from heaven and began ruling. The effect of Jesus' rule took effect on earth 5 years later when God's Holy Spirit energized the GB of JWs to start the global preaching and teaching program. It's this program that helped millions out of Christendom today! Revelations 18:4

So the parable of sheep and goats is fulfilling presently but it's a pity most of you are blind to it.

Why do you think people from different races throughout the earth wholeheartedly became obedient to just a group of 8 old men?
Why do you think they willingly surrendered all their weapons to become harmless (even people from the world's most racist nations) bow to this group?
Why do you think there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating this single group?

Well i'll tell you the answer. They are the SHEEP that were separated from amongst the GOATS!
Note how rebellious all of you have become to your religious leaders because they've been deceiving and defrauding you people all these while, and note how millions have subjected themselves willingly under the umbrella of those 8 old men.

Perhaps you're expecting Jesus to open the sky and tell you "the GB of JWs are the remaining of my chosen LITTLE FLOCK" Jesus said if you fail to believe their undeniable achievement surely you won't believe even if you hear voices from the sky! Luke 16:31 smiley


truely, you are so funny. So Jesus Christ was king in heaven 1914 and Satan came to earth same year? Can you just listen to your self! May God Almighty deliver you and your gb!

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Janosky: 9:40pm On Jan 15, 2021
KNOWMORE56:


The only thing that makes me know and understand something as original and true is its features and characteristics...

Can/will you please give me the features of your true God?

Let me cross check it, compare and contrast.
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Any characteristics and features of God you desire to know must confirm to the scriptures.

John 20:17 & 17:3, Bros, do you believe & agree with Jesus Christ ?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Janosky: 9:41pm On Jan 15, 2021
reubenobi:
truely, you are so funny. So Jesus Christ was king in heaven 1914 and Satan came to earth same year? Can you just listen to your self! May God Almighty deliver you and your gb!

1914​—A Significant Year in Bible Prophecy

DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?

As recorded at Luke 21:24, Jesus said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations [“the times of the Gentiles,” King James Version] are fulfilled.” Jerusalem had been the capital city of the Jewish nation​—the seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of King David. (Psalm 48:1, 2) However, these kings were unique among national leaders. They sat on “Jehovah’s throne” as representatives of God himself. (1 Chronicles 29:23) Jerusalem was thus a symbol of Jehovah’s rulership.

How and when, though, did God’s rulership begin to be “trampled on by the nations”? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. “Jehovah’s throne” became vacant, and the line of kings who descended from David was interrupted. (2 Kings 25:1-26) Would this ‘trampling’ go on forever? No, for the prophecy of Ezekiel said regarding Jerusalem’s last king, Zedekiah: “Remove the turban, and take off the crown. . . . It will not belong to anyone until the one who has the legal right comes, and I will give it to him.” (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) “The one who has the legal right” to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) So the ‘trampling’ would end when Jesus became King.

When would that grand event occur? Jesus showed that the Gentiles would rule for a fixed period of time. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw a tree of enormous height that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: “Let seven times pass over it.”​—Daniel 4:10-16.

In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how God’s rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ would be temporary​—a period of “seven times.” How long a period is that?

Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal “1,260 days.” “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” would cover 2,520 years.

The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King. *​—Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.

Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments​—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of “the last days” of this present wicked system of things.​—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Janosky: 9:42pm On Jan 15, 2021
My Bro, DappaD, good evening... How we dey?

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by DappaD: 9:48pm On Jan 15, 2021
Janosky:
My Bro, DappaD, good evening... How we dey?

Good evening my brother! Thanks to Jehovah we’re still thriving. I trust that you and the family are doing okay as well.

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Janosky: 10:29pm On Jan 15, 2021
DappaD:


Good evening my brother! Thanks to Jehovah we’re still thriving. I trust that you and the family are doing okay as well.

We're doing just fine. Jehovah be praised.

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:37am On Jan 16, 2021
There is surely a house of FAITH!
Paul listed the names of people who were partakers of this house @ Hebrews 11:4-32 but if your religion never you so please their is no problem it's either you accept it or leave it! smiley

Abraham surely looked forward to a time when pure worship will be firmly established but he never lived to see it {Hebrews 11:10 compare to John 8:56} this spiritual city is the 144,000 born again Christians that are the first set of people God will resurrect and take to heaven. Note what the Bible says about the foundation of this city "the twelve foundation stones are Jesus' Apostles" {Revelations 21:14} So Abraham truly looked forward to seeing this spiritual city but he never lived up to to time when Jesus began laying the foundation (choosing the Apostles) that's why Jesus said none of those who lived before John (baptist) qualifies to be in that city, because those who will become partakers must sacrifice so many things just to become a partaker! Matthew 11:11-12 compare to Matthew 20:20-23; Revelations 12:11

So only the 144,000 are counted as part of that spiritual city (heavenly Jerusalem) and the building began with the 12 Apostles, that's why Abraham can't be there! smiley


Splinz:

Thank you for your response.
However, there's nothing like partakers of FAITH and partakers of KINGDOM RULE, supposedly two separate rewards or privileges. Also, naming kingdom rule (as you called it) as something supposedly promised or reserved for Christians, shows that you don't know the scope of the promises God made to Abraham. Take a look:
This is talking of Abraham, that he, of course like true Christians today, was looking forward to a city whose builder and maker is God. This city is non other than the kingdom of God. Here:
Again, this speaks of Abraham, to show that the promise was that of ultimately inheriting the world, i.e, the universe. This is why Christians are children of Abraham and heirs according to the promise. And then speaking of the household of faith, here's itsadGalatians 6:10).
So you see sir, whether in faith or in rulership, Abraham and other faithful servants of God through the ages, and those alive today, are partakers.
Regards.
PS: The gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached right from the foundation of the world: (Acts 3:21).
So like I said earlier, there's nothing new in Christianity.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:51am On Jan 16, 2021
Jesus was enthroned in heaven in 1914, he has been waiting patiently at God's right hand since his returned to heaven {Act 7:56 compare to Psalms 110:1} note what God asked him to do later @ Psalms 110:2 "rule in the midst of your enemies"
So Jesus started taking action in 1914, he drove away Satan and his demons from heaven that year {Revelations 12:7-9} listen to what a voice said be glad you heavens and those who reside in them, WOE to the earth! Revelations 12:12

So if what has been happening since 1914 means nothing to you well it means a lot to those who are hungry and thirsty for the sake of righteousness! Matthew 5:6 smiley

reubenobi:
truely, you are so funny. So Jesus Christ was king in heaven 1914 and Satan came to earth same year? Can you just listen to your self! May God Almighty deliver you and your gb!
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 8:12am On Jan 16, 2021
Hello sir, thank you again for your response.

MaxInDHouse:
There is surely a house of FAITH!
Paul listed the names of people who were partakers of this house @ Hebrews 11:4-32

Of course, yes. And from righteous Abel down to the saints today, all are partakers of that house, with Abraham as the father of the faithful (Romans 4:16, Galatians 6:10).

You don't have to misunderstand Hebrews 11, as supposedly a separate house with a separate reward or previledge of some sort. Hebrews 11 is called a FAITH CHAPTER because:

1. It teaches us what faith is, God's definition (verse 1)

2. It is by faith that the universe for example, did not come out of explosion like some people would have us believed (verse 3)

And then Paul went on to list what is a "great crowd of witnesses" (Hebrews 12:1), starting from Abel and other faithfuls. Why? So that we who are left today may be encouraged to run our race the same way these past saints ran theirs; follow their examples in faithfully obeying God.

MaxInDHouse:

but if your religion never you so please their is no problem it's either you accept it or leave it! smiley

Are you a religious person? Oh well. Here's my own religion:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world (James 1:27).

MaxInDHouse:

Abraham surely looked forward to a time when pure worship will be firmly established but he never lived to see it

To put it even more correctly, Abraham looked forward to the kingdom of God. He was not expecting it in his time (Hebrews 11:9-10). But of course, Abraham knew his place in the regeneration, i.e, kingdom of God, as the heir of the universe (Romans 4:13).

MaxInDHouse:

Note what the Bible says about the foundation of this city "the twelve foundation stones are Jesus' Apostles" {Revelations 21:14} So Abraham truly looked forward to seeing this spiritual city but he never lived up to to time when Jesus began laying the foundation (choosing the Apostles)

Sorry sir, the foundation stone of the kingdom of God was not laid at the time of the apostles formation. It was prepared right from the very beginning (Matt. 25:34).

Now let's talk of David. He was not among the twelves or was he? But what if I were to tell you that God will raise him up in the resurrection to be a king and the one shepherd to His people, including the apostles? (Jeremiah 30:9, Ezekiel 37:24-25).

The twelves apostles indeed will sit on twelves thrones judging the twelves tribes of Israel in the regeneration, but David will still be their king and one shepherd. See him as a general overseer. That's prophecy and it stands.

So I repeat, whether in faith or rulership, all the saints throughout the ages are partakers.

Many thanks.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:29am On Jan 16, 2021
The highlighted is what i want to know!

So are you part of the people who supports the killing of your fellowman because of racism and politics? How many fatherless, widows and orphans have you visited in their affliction in the past? People form groups to promote a notion and actualize it, so do you have a group doing what you quoted zealously and industriously throughout the earth?

Of course you can quote our book but you can't grasp it's meaning that's why you're thinking people can practice whatever religion they feel and still meet up with that requirement without working towards it as a GROUP! smiley


Splinz:
Hello sir, thank you again for your response.



Of course, yes. And from righteous Abel down to the saints today, all are partakers of that house, with Abraham as the father of the faithful (Romans 4:16, Galatians 6:10).

You don't have to misunderstand Hebrews 11, as supposedly a separate house with a separate reward or previledge of some sort. Hebrews 11 is called a FAITH CHAPTER because:

1. It teaches us what faith is, God's definition (verse 1)

2. It is by faith that the universe for example, did not come out of explosion like some people would have us believed (verse 3)

And then Paul went on to list what is a "great crowd of witnesses" (Hebrews 12:1), starting from Abel and other faithfuls. Why? So that we who are left today may be encouraged to run our race the same way these past saints ran theirs; follow their examples in faithfully obeying God.



Are you a religious person? Oh well. Here's my own religion:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world (James 1:27).



To put it even more correctly, Abraham looked forward to the kingdom of God. He was not expecting it in his time (Hebrews 11:9-10). But of course, Abraham knew his place in the regeneration, i.e, kingdom of God, as the heir of the universe (Romans 4:13).



Sorry sir, the foundation stone of the kingdom of God was not laid at the time of the apostles formation. It was prepared right from the very beginning (Matt. 25:34).

Now let's talk of David. He was not among the twelves or was he? But what if I were to tell you that God will raise him up in the resurrection to be a king and the one shepherd to His people, including the apostles? (Jeremiah 30:9, Ezekiel 37:24-25).

The twelves apostles indeed will sit on twelves thrones judging the twelves tribes of Israel in the regeneration, but David will still be their king and one shepherd. See him as a general overseer. That's prophecy and it stands.

So I repeat, whether in faith or rulership, all the saints throughout the ages are partakers.

Many thanks.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 10:28am On Jan 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is what i want to know!

You should rather press for the whole truth.

MaxInDHouse:

So are you part of the people who supports the killing of your fellowman because of racism and politics? How many fatherless, widows and orphans have you visited in their affliction in the past? People form groups to promote a notion and actualize it, so do you have a group doing what you quoted zealously and industriously throughout the earth?

If I were you, I'd rather devote my time on finding the truth in order to gain my freedom. I'd rather be on guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees (Matt. 16:6).

Needlessly fixated on a GROUP at the expense of the truth is unprofitable. And what if I were to tell you that I have this group, what is that to you?

So you see sir, don't dwell on what is not important. I expected you to know better.

MaxInDHouse:

Of course you can quote our book but you can't grasp it's meaning that's why you're thinking people can practice whatever religion they feel and still meet up with that requirement without working towards it as a GROUP! smiley

You mean the Bible belongs to your group? Oh wow, you must be a very lucky man to belong to such GROUP. But then, be assured of my own religion like I said earlier.

Regards.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:37am On Jan 16, 2021
There are different kind of people around you, my own kind are only interested in the highlighted.
So if you have what interests me then present it so i can relate it with what Bible said {Act 17:11} if not it simply means i'm not your type! smiley


Splinz:

You should rather press for the whole truth.
If I were you, I'd rather devote my time on finding the truth in order to gain my freedom. I'd rather be on guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees (Matt. 16:6).
Needlessly fixated on a GROUP at the expense of the truth is unprofitable. And what if I were to tell you that I have this group, what is that to you?
So you see sir, don't dwell on what is not important. I expected you to know better.
You mean the Bible belongs to your group? Oh wow, you must be a very lucky man to belong to such GROUP. But then, be assured of my own religion like I said earlier.
Regards.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 10:52am On Jan 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
There are different kind of people around you, my own kind are only interested in the highlighted.

I see. It speaks volume of your kinds.

MaxInDHouse:

So if you have what interests me then present it [/b]so i can relate it with what Bible said {Act 17:11} [b]if not it simply means i'm not your type! smiley

Honestly, I don't. Yes sir, I agree. I'm not your type.

My types can be summarized in this manner:

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Matt. 4:4).

It was nice coming your way. Have a great day. smiley
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:10am On Jan 16, 2021
Of course man must live on the word of God that's why Jesus fervently begged his father to help his disciples form ONE body and remain separate from the world! John 17:14-17, 20-23
So if you don't know how to direct me to that ONE BODY of believers it means something is wrong somewhere! wink


Splinz:

I see. It speaks volumes of your kinds.
Honestly, I don't. Yes sir, I agree. I'm not your type.
My types can be summarized in this manner:
It was nice coming your way. Have a great day. smiley
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 12:07pm On Jan 18, 2021
DappaD:


I saw how you quickly dodged the whole “new heavens, new earth” matter because you aren’t knowledgeable enough to that extent so the real meaning had been hidden from you. Isaiah 6:9,10; Matthew 13:15

Please what is the criteria for judgment in Matthew 25:40? Doesn’t it highlight support for Christ’s “brothers”?
So if the sheep in Matthew 25:33 are already Christ’s “brothers”, why does Jesus still say that they give support to them?

Who is Jesus calling his “brothers”? It’s obviously not the sheep in Matthew 25:33 because he said that those ones give support to his “brothers”. This already means that there are two categories of ‘righteous’ ones. Compare Revelation 7:1-17

That will still bring us to the whole “little flock” issue. Because those whom are the new spiritual Israel are all Abraham’s “offspring” in the sense of being anointed of God’s holy spirit and Abraham’s offspring number into a total of 144,001(yes that’s right, including Jesus Christ) Genesis 3:15, Galatians 3:26-29, Revelation 14:1-5

That’s why he was calling a set of people in Matthew 25:40 his “brothers” because they all had Jehovah’s name figuratively inscribed on their foreheads. Revelation 7:1-8

In what ways do these “sheep” in Matthew 25:33 assist Christ’s brothers? Well earlier, it was prophesied at Zechariah 8:23 that there would come a time when men from the nations would firmly grip the cloak of a “Jew” i.e. the new spiritual Israel[Galatians 6:16] and would go with them into Jehovah’s holy mountain. Isaiah 2:2-4
So these “sheep” give their support to Christ’s brothers by helping them fulfill the command given at Matthew 24:14, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8.

So as Matthew 25:40 has already stated plainly, your survival depends on you identifying Christ’s brothers and giving your support to them before the time for the final judgment arrives.
2Thess. 1:7-9


Let's take a thing at a time for better understanding
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