Only intelligent people who have made their bible their friend will understand this and know the truth and be free from the grip of religion.

You will recall that the disciples of Jesus asked him a similar question in Luke 13:23(take note : this question was asked before Jesus was crucified)

But i think this is a wrong question to ask in this dispensation after Christ has been crucified and he is resurrected. Rather, the right question that should be asked in today's reality is "Are there few that are in heaven? " seeing that heaven is already here with us through the death and resurrection of Christ, unlike the period when Christ has not been crucified.

we have to consider time when reading the bible.

there was time before the crucifixion of Christ which include the period when Jesus was yet alive on earth with his disciples before he was crucified, and there is was time after his death and resurrection, this is where we Christians belong which is heaven.

what am i driving at?
we this current era Christians without considering time, read bible that was written approximately 2000 years ago and try to make what we have read our current day reality and our future,it doesn't work that way.

For our benefits, the bible should be treated today as a book and past events and nothing else.

Are there few that are in heaven?
The answer is no!

Currently, there are billions of believers worldwide saved by Grace, they are not few.

Heaven is for few that's the significance of number 144,000 {Revelations 14:1 compared to Luke 12:32} it's earth that God purposed for billions to live not heaven! Psalms 115:16

MaxInDHouse:
Heaven is for few that's the significance of number 144,000 {Revelations 14:1 compared to Luke 12:32} it's earth that God purposed for billions to live not heaven! Psalms 115:16

no!
The significance of the number 144,000 is that the Jews(Israelites) of that time, were not excluded from heaven. They are entitled to it along side with the gentiles so long they believe in Christ. Romans 1:16
That the 12 tribes of Israel(12×12,000 assuming each tribes were numbered 12,000) that they were sealed for heaven (not excluded from heaven), all of them, so long they believe. (Revelation 7:5-

And you know, heaven is on this earth. So both the Jews and the gentiles we are all here now.

Are you sure that the list of names given @ Revelations 7:5-8 is the same as the real names of Jacob's 12 sons? Exodus 1:2-5

Please carefully cross-check then let me know what you think!

paxonel:

no!
The significance of the number 144,000 is that the Jews(Israelites) of that time, were not excluded from heaven. They are entitled to it along side with the gentiles so long they believe in Christ. Romans 1:16
That the 12 tribes of Israel(12×12,000 assuming each tribes were numbered 12,000) that they were sealed for heaven (not excluded from heaven), all of them, so long they believe. (Revelation 7:5-8)

And you know, heaven is on this earth. So both the Jews and the gentiles we are all here now.

See as this OP just twisted scriptures and ended up with a modernistic man principled and humanistic conclusion.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure that the list of names given @ Revelations 7:5-8 is the same as the real names of Jacob's 12 sons? Exodus 1:2-5

Please carefully cross-check then let me know what you think!

Basically, they are the same

Exodus 1 mentioned
1. Reuben
2.Simeon
3.Levi
4.Judah
5.Issachar
6.Zebulun
7.Benjamin
8.Dan
9.Naphtali
10.Gad
11.Asher


Revelation 7 mentioned
1.Reuben
10.Gad,
11.Aser
9.Nephthali
2.Simeon
3.Levi
5.Issachar
6.Zabulon
*Joseph
7.Benjamin

Jeromejnr:
See as this OP just twisted scriptures and ended up with a modernistic man principled and humanistic conclusion.

modernistic?
If you say so, it's still good. Cos we can't exclude God from this modern day.

Humanistic?
Also good, cos present day humans should be considered first how interpretation of scriptures are affecting their present lives whether the interpretations are affecting their lives positively or negatively.
The ones that are affecting their lives negatively should be discarded no matter how long it has been established, while the ones that are affecting their lives positively should be uphold.

It's like you have gone to school to study a course. If whatever course you have studied is affecting your current life positively, then you have studied a validated truth.
But if it is affecting your life negatively, then you had wasted money paying school fees and what you study does not apply to reality.

Remember, the op started by saying only the truth can set us free.

paxonel:
Only intelligent people who have made their bible their friend will understand this and know the truth and be free from the grip of religion.

You will recall that the disciples of Jesus asked him a similar question in Luke 13:23(take note : this question was asked before Jesus was crucified)

But i think this is a wrong question to ask in this dispensation after Christ has been crucified and he is resurrected. Rather, the right question that should be asked in today's reality is "Are there few that are in heaven? " seeing that heaven is already here with us through the death and resurrection of Christ, unlike the period when Christ has not been crucified.

we have to consider time when reading the bible.

there was time before the crucifixion of Christ which include the period when Jesus was yet alive on earth with his disciples before he was crucified, and there is was time after his death and resurrection, this is where we Christians belong which is heaven.

what am i driving at?
we this current era Christians without considering time, read bible that was written approximately 2000 years ago and try to make what we have read our current day reality and our future,it doesn't work that way.

For our benefits, the bible should be treated today as a book and past events and nothing else.

Are there few that are in heaven?
The answer is no!

Currently, there are billions of believers worldwide saved by Grace, they are not few.

The believers understanding of the kingdom of God is more than this.

paxonel:

Basically, they are the same

Exodus 1 mentioned
1. Reuben
2.Simeon
3.Levi
4.Judah
5.Issachar
6.Zebulun
7.Benjamin
8.Dan
9.Naphtali
10.Gad
11.Asher


Revelation 7 mentioned
1.Reuben
10.Gad,
11.Aser
9.Nephthali
2.Simeon
3.Levi
5.Issachar
6.Zabulon
*Joseph
7.Benjamin

I will like you to know that the list of the names of the Son's of Jacob are slightly different from the names of the tribes of Israel.

Exodus 1:1-5 give the names of the son of Jacob, while
the names of the tribes are found in
Numbers 1: (verses)21,23,25,27,29,33,35,37,39,41,43, and 44-46.

In revelation 7:1-9, tribes of Dan and Ephraim are missing, replace with Levi and Joseph.

Heaven is for all. The condition is WHOEVER WILL:

*. Revelations 22:17 "KJV:And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET HIM TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY."

other places to see the word WHOEVER: Matthew 5:19; Mark 3:35; Luke 6:47; John 3:15; 1 John 3:10 and more.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure that the list of names given @ Revelations 7:5-8 is the same as the real names of Jacob's 12 sons? Exodus 1:2-5
Please carefully cross-check then let me know what you think! :

I will like you to know that the list of the names of the Son's of Jacob are slightly different from the names of the tribes of Israel.

Exodus 1:1-5 give the names of the son of Jacob, while
the names of the tribes are found in
Numbers 1: (verses)21,23,25,27,29,33,35,37,39,41,43, and 44-46.

In revelation 7:1-9, tribes of Dan and Ephraim are missing, replace with Levi and Joseph.

Heaven is for all. The condition is WHOEVER WILL:

*. Revelations 22:17 "KJV:And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET HIM TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY."

other places to see the word WHOEVER: Matthew 5:19; Mark 3:35; Luke 6:47; John 3:15; 1 John 3:10 and more.

Thanks.

The list consist of twelve names in both but not the same names. Exodus 1:2-5; Revelations 7:5-8
Check again but this time carefully!

paxonel:

Basically, they are the same

Exodus 1 mentioned
1. Reuben
2.Simeon
3.Levi
4.Judah
5.Issachar
6.Zebulun
7.Benjamin
8.Dan
9.Naphtali
10.Gad
11.Asher


Revelation 7 mentioned
1.Reuben
10.Gad,
11.Aser
9.Nephthali
2.Simeon
3.Levi
5.Issachar
6.Zabulon
*Joseph
7.Benjamin

MaxInDHouse:
The list consist of twelve names in both but not the same names. Exodus 1:2-5; Revelations 7:5-8
Check again but this time carefully!

it really do not matter what names were mentioned in each of the scriptures, the basic idea is : The descendants of Jacob(Israelites) were the ones the promise of heaven were made for initially before gentiles like us were included, it was part of the covenant God had with Abraham their fore-father, that is why those names were mentioned in revelation 7 and that is why the figure 144, 000 is there in the book of revelation

KNOWMORE56:



I will like you to know that the list of the names of the Son's of Jacob are slightly different from the names of the tribes of Israel.

Exodus 1:1-5 give the names of the son of Jacob, while
the names of the tribes are found in
Numbers 1: (verses)21,23,25,27,29,33,35,37,39,41,43, and 44-46.

In revelation 7:1-9, tribes of Dan and Ephraim are missing, replace with Levi and Joseph.

Heaven is for all. The condition is WHOEVER WILL:

*. Revelations 22:17 "KJV:And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET HIM TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY."

other places to see the word WHOEVER: Matthew 5:19; Mark 3:35; Luke 6:47; John 3:15; 1 John 3:10 and more.

Thanks.

Thank you very much!
Heaven is for all, WHOSEVER WILL! that is the most important

It's OK Sir!

paxonel:
it really do not matter what names were mentioned in each of the scriptures, the basic idea is : The descendants of Jacob(Israelites) were the ones the promise of heaven were made for initially before gentiles like us were included, it was part of the covenant God had with Abraham their fore-father, that is why those names were mentioned in revelation 7 and that is why the figure 144, 000 is there in the book of revelation

paxonel:
Only intelligent people who have made their bible their friend will understand this and know the truth and be free from the grip of religion.

You will recall that the disciples of Jesus asked him a similar question in Luke 13:23(take note : this question was asked before Jesus was crucified)

But i think this is a wrong question to ask in this dispensation after Christ has been crucified and he is resurrected. Rather, the right question that should be asked in today's reality is "Are there few that are in heaven? " seeing that heaven is already here with us through the death and resurrection of Christ, unlike the period when Christ has not been crucified.

we have to consider time when reading the bible.

there was time before the crucifixion of Christ which include the period when Jesus was yet alive on earth with his disciples before he was crucified, and there is was time after his death and resurrection, this is where we Christians belong which is heaven.

what am i driving at?
we this current era Christians without considering time, read bible that was written approximately 2000 years ago and try to make what we have read our current day reality and our future,it doesn't work that way.

For our benefits, the bible should be treated today as a book and past events and nothing else.

Are there few that are in heaven?
The answer is no!

Currently, there are billions of believers worldwide saved by Grace, they are not few.

There are no people in Heaven or Hell. I am afraid you are greatly misinformed.

Even the apostles are still sleeping in their graves, waiting for their chance at Heaven. If you did not know this, then it is possible that your entire assumption is just that, wrong!

Kobojunkie:
There are no people in Heaven or Hell. I am afraid you are greatly misinformed.

Even the apostles are still sleeping in their graves, waiting for their chance at Heaven. If you did not know this, then it is possible that your entire assumption is just that, wrong!

ofcourse you do not have any scripture to back up this idea of yours.

On the contrary,

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

That means we have been translated into heaven already, we are already there

Heaven is a thing of faith in our heart here on this earth, not some kind of a physical place where people go

paxonel:
ofcourse you do not have any scripture to back up this idea of yours.

On the contrary,

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

That means we have been translated into heaven already, we are already there

Heaven is a thing of faith in our heart here on this earth, not some kind of a physical place where people go

I am sorry, what?
Heaven is a thing of faith in our heart on this earth?

So when Jesus Christ informed His disciples that He would go to prepare a place for them in His Father's house, that was a lie?

When Jesus Christ explained that upon His return, those who obey Him would be ushered into His Kingdom whereas the others will be cast out into the eternal darkness, that was also a lie?

If truly you believe that Heaven is not a place but a state of the human mind/heart (I guess you also believe it survives after death) such as you posit, why then did you bother creating this thread in the first place?

Jesus Christ was clear that no one would enter into Heaven(or Hell) until after His return - regardless of the meaning you attribute there to Paul's writing in colosians. Why do you not know this if indeed you have a better understanding of Heaven than I do?

Kobojunkie:

I am sorry, what?
Heaven is a thing of faith in our heart on this earth?

yes it is, and nothing else.

So when Jesus Christ informed His disciples that He would go to prepare a place for them in His Father's house, that was a lie?

it is very possible that a lot of people misunderstood Jesus when he said that.

Look if Jesus was misunderstood when he said something in this scripture

John 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Then certainly, it is very possible that our current day Christians have misunderstood Jesus when he said he is going to prepare a place

When Jesus Christ explained that upon His return, those who obey Him would be ushered into His Kingdom whereas the others will be cast out into the eternal darkness, that was also a lie?

the question you should ask is, how is the return of Jesus going to look like?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The only possible understanding to this scripture as it applies to reality is that, the return of Jesus is the day we will die, that is the day of judgement, After that life continues.
That means, those who didn't die will continue living till it's their turn to die and face judgement, therefore the return of Jesus is different date for different people.

The return of Jesus is not one big apocalyptic event or any rapture. I have proved several times that the word rapture is not found in the bible.
That scriptures that seems to appear to be rapture (1 cor 15:52 and 1 thes 4:16 which aimed was to explain resurrection of the dead, not rapture) were possibly misinterpreted by the ancient catholic church(possibly uneducated humans) where today's conventional doctrines are based on

If truly you believe that Heaven is not a place but a state of the human mind/heart (I guess you also believe it survives after death) such as you posit, why then did you bother creating this thread in the first place?

??

perhaps you may see the reason now

Jesus Christ was clear that no one would enter into Heaven(or hell) until after his return

where?
where in the scriptures?

regardless of the meaning you attribute there to Paul's writing in colosians. Why do you not know this if indeed you have a better understanding of Heaven than I do?

please be specific!
what chapter and verse of Colossians?

Have you heard that religion is causing more problems to the society than bringing solutions?
That statement is very true

Intellectually, people are lost! Especially in Africa

They live terribly in contradiction thinking they are practicing Christianity.
The problem is not the bible,
The problem is the people being too dogmatic.

You know, the Pharisees in the bible also were too dogmatic of their Judaism doctrines that's why they couldn't accept the new teachings Jesus Christ.

Life is a circle...no begining ,no ending...

paxonel:
yes it is, and nothing else.
it is very possible that a lot of people misunderstood Jesus when he said that.

Look if Jesus was misunderstood when he said something in this scripture

John 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Then certainly, it is very possible that our current day Christians have misunderstood Jesus when he said he is going to prepare a place
the question you should ask is, how is the return of Jesus going to look like?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The only possible understanding to this scripture as it applies to reality is that, the return of Jesus is the day we will die, that is the day of judgement, After that life continues.
That means, those who didn't die will continue living till it's their turn to die and face judgement, therefore the return of Jesus is different date for different people.

The return of Jesus is not one big apocalyptic event or any rapture. I have proved several times that the word rapture is not found in the bible.
That scriptures that seems to appear to be rapture (1 cor 15:52 and 1 thes 4:16 which aimed was to explain resurrection of the dead, not rapture) were possibly misinterpreted by the ancient catholic church(possibly uneducated humans) where today's conventional doctrines are based on

??

perhaps you may see the reason now
where?
where in the scriptures?
please be specific!
what chapter and verse of Colossians?

Have you heard that religion is causing more problems to the society than bringing solutions?
That statement is very true

Intellectually, people are lost! Especially in Africa

They live terribly in contradiction thinking they are practicing Christianity.
The problem is not the bible,
The problem is the people being too dogmatic.

You know, the Pharisees in the bible also were too dogmatic of their Judaism doctrines that's why they couldn't accept the new teachings Jesus Christ.

The problems in society as described by you have more to do with ignorance of what is in fact written in the books of the Bible since many have taken to conjuring u ideas in their minds pretending those can sufficiently replace what is stated.

Everything I wrote of can be easily found in the Bible by anyone who has at least read the gospels with out blinders over their eyes. I am afraid that providing you the direct references to Jesus Christ's own statements will not do since you deny His very claims that Heaven is a place He ascended to.

i go make am, o sure ju. i know Jwickedness people no wan make am. They go dey misquote all the cramming for their heads.

Kobojunkie:
The problems in society as described by you have more to do with ignorance of what is in fact written in the books of the Bible since many have taken to conjuring u ideas in their minds pretending those can sufficiently replace what is stated.

Everything I wrote of can be easily found in the Bible by anyone who has at least read the gospels with out blinders over their eyes. I am afraid that providing you the direct references to Jesus Christ's own statements will not do since you deny His very claims that Heaven is a place He ascended to.

To butress what i have been saying, look at this scripture

Luke 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

The question is : Did the kingdom of God appear?
The answer is no!
Rather, what happened was that Jesus was crucified, not that the kingdom appeared.

Why will they think initially that the kingdom of God will appear?
Because they were deceived by doctrines, just like today people are deceived that rapture will come and take people to a place

paxonel:

To butress what i have been saying, look at this scripture

Luke 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

The question is : Did the kingdom of God appear?
The answer is no!
Rather, what happened was that Jesus was crucified, not that the kingdom appeared.

Why will they think initially that the kingdom of God will appear?
Because they were deceived by doctrines, just like today people are deceived that rapture will come and take people to a place

That verse from Luke says absolutely nothing of what you claim it does.
And the questions you ask....i can't even make sense of any of them. Why would the kingdom of God appear?

So because the people thought a thing, it was then meant to be so?

Deceived by doctrines? Whose doctrines? Jesus Christ was the first to speak to them of the Kingdom of God....so if they did not understand what Jesus Christ taught, does that somehow mean Jesus Christ decieved them?

Jesus Christ cleared up their confusion by telling them a story in the same Luke 19 beginning from the next verse, so why in the world would you suggest that that one verse there supposedly supports any of what you have said here about the kingdom of Heaven being a mental illusion of sorts and not a allcation as Jesus Christ Himself clearly suggests in the story that followed?

Kobojunkie:
That verse from Luke says absolutely nothing of what you claim it does.

I have said that the people thought that the kingdom of God will suddenly appear because it was time for Jesus to be crucified, did the scripture suggest something different from that, I even embolded it?

Luke 19: 11....and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

And the questions you ask....i can't even make sense of any of them. Why would the kingdom of God appear?

the same question I'm asking, because it doesn't make sense to me that the kingdom should appear.

So because the people thought a thing, it was then meant to be so?

no!
I didn't say it was meant to be so. I'm infact pointing out that the people were wrong, just like people of today are wrong thinking that there will be rapture or something

Deceived by doctrines? Whose doctrines? Jesus Christ was the first to speak to them of the Kingdom of God

no, Jesus Christ wasn't the first.
For the people to think that the kingdom will suddenly come down it means they were wrongly thought on how the kingdom was going to come, by Judaism a long time ago, not Jesus Christ..
Remember, these people were Jews

....so if they did not understand what Jesus Christ taught, does that somehow mean Jesus Christ decieved them?

when i said they were deceived by doctrines, i didn't mean Jesus doctrines

Jesus Christ cleared up their confusion by telling them a story in the same Luke 19 beginning from the next verse,

that was after Jesus sensed that they were confused, so he cleared up their confusion

so why in the world would you suggest that that one verse there supposedly supports any of what you have said here about the kingdom of Heaven being a mental illusion of sorts and not a allcation as Jesus Christ Himself clearly suggests in the story that followed?

paxonel:
I have said that the people thought that the kingdom of God will suddenly appear because it was time for Jesus to be crucified, did the scripture suggest something different from that, I even embolded it?

Luke 19: 11....and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
the same question I'm asking, because it doesn't make sense to me that the kingdom should appear.
no!
I didn't say it was meant to be so. I'm infact pointing out that the people were wrong, just like people of today are wrong thinking that there will be rapture or something
no, Jesus Christ wasn't the first.
For the people to think that the kingdom will suddenly come down it means they were wrongly thought on how the kingdom was going to come, by Judaism a long time ago, not Jesus Christ..
Remember, these people were Jews
when i said they were deceived by doctrines, i didn't mean Jesus doctrines
that was after Jesus sensed that they were confused, so he cleared up their confusion

Before Jesus Christ there was no promise of a Heaven or a Hell to the Jewish people, not was there a promise of life after death as you know of it today thanks to Jesus Christ. There were various ideas in existence at the time, most all of them based on pagan beliefs which had no scriptural grounding. Those he's who believed for a messiah at the time, believed instead for an actual event to save and set Israel above it's enemies, and they looked for that to happen in any form.
When Jesus Christ arroved, not with an army but teaching instead of a Kingdom to come, it is no surprise that there were those who believed the messiah would usher in the new reign they long expected.
The people's delusions aside though, Jesus Christ was the first to bring in the idea of a Kingdom outside of Jerusalem, of Israel even - a kingdom not ruled by Israels king's but by God and God alone.

Kobojunkie:
Before Jesus Christ there was no promise of a Heaven or a Hell to the Jewish people, not was there a promise of life after death as you know of it today thanks to Jesus Christ. There were various ideas in existence at the time, most all of them based on pagan beliefs which had no scriptural grounding. Those he's who believed for a messiah at the time, believed instead for an actual event to save and set Israel above it's enemies, and they looked for that to happen in any form.
When Jesus Christ arroved, not with an army but teaching instead of a Kingdom to come, it is no surprise that there were those who believed the messiah would usher in the new reign they long expected.
The people's delusions aside though, Jesus Christ was the first to bring in the idea of a Kingdom outside of Jerusalem, of Israel even - a kingdom not ruled by Israels king's but by God and God alone.

Take a look at this :

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Tell me that this promise of God to Abraham and his descendants wasn't the promise of the kingdom of God?

And if you think that the promise wasn't the promise of the kingdom of God do you agree that the kingdom of God is everlasting?

If the kingdom of God is everlasting why is then this covenant everlasting?
Don't you think that this promise was the promise of the kingdom?

paxonel:

Take a look at this :

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Tell me that this promise of God to Abraham and his descendants wasn't the promise of the kingdom of God?

And if you think that the promise wasn't the promise of the kingdom of God do you agree that the kingdom of God is everlasting?

If the kingdom of God is everlasting why is then this covenant everlasting?
Don't you think that this promise was the promise of the kingdom?

Go back and re-read Genesis 17 beginning from verse 1 through 8, then come back and those questions of yours again to see if they still make sense afterwards.

While you are at it, read Deuteronomy 30 where God ratified the covenant/agreement spoken of in Genesis 17 there, and be sure to attempt the entire chapter which explains thet the covenant is question(The old Covenant) is indeed the one promised to Abraham and His descendants, and the promise is of the land of Canaan( no mention of a heaven or a hell) forever, just as God promised Abraham in Genesis 17.

Kobojunkie:
Go back and re-read Genesis 17 beginning from verse 1 through 8, then come back and those questions of yours again to see if they still make sense afterwards.

While you are at it, read Deuteronomy 30 where God ratified the covenant/agreement spoken of in Genesis 17 there, and be sure to attempt the entire chapter which explains thet the covenant is question(The old Covenant) is indeed the one promised to Abraham and His descendants, and the promise is of the land of Canaan( no mention of a heaven or a hell) forever, just as God promised Abraham in Genesis 17.

you are running away from the question.

Is the covenant everlasting yes or no?

If you say the covenant is not everlasting in contrary to what Genesis 17: 7 has said, show me anywhere in whole chapter of Genesis 17, or show me anywhere in Deuteronomy 30 that have said otherwise that the covenant is not everlasting.

paxonel:
you are running away from the question.

Is the covenant everlasting yes or no?

If you say the covenant is not everlasting in contrary to what Genesis 17: 7 has said, show me anywhere in the whole chapter of Genesis 17, or show me anywhere in Deuteronomy 30 that have said otherwise that the covenant is not everlasting.

Just so you know, it seems you have veered off the topic we started on with this. I don't see the relevance of your introduceetion of genesis 17 to the discussion that was originally on the Kingdom of Heaven, which is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament nor as part of the Old covenant, an everlasting covenant between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So, try to fill me in on where you are going with this.

Kobojunkie:
Just so you know, it seems you have veered off the topic we started on with this. I don't see the relevance of your introduceetion of genesis 17 to the discussion that was originally on the Kingdom of Heaven, which is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament nor as part of the Old covenant, an everlasting covenant between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So, try to fill me in on where you are going with this.

oh,
You didn't see that the kingdom of God is everlasting, or the everlasting kingdom is not relevant to an everlasting covenant?

OK o

Really scared at the way this Paxonel guy interprets the clear wordings of the scripture to suit his own flawed narrative. Kobojunkie you are just wasting your time arguing. Some people are supposed to be left in their folly.

UgoFly:
Really scared at the way this Paxonel guy interprets the clear wordings of the scripture to suit his own flawed narrative. Kobojunkie you are just wasting your time arguing. Some people are supposed to be left in their folly.

really?
It's not your fault.

By the time you find yourself in Europe with your skewed mentality caused by African traditions and faulty religious doctrines of jw and other conventional religion, you will know by then whether Africans are the ones foolish or not.

Europe brought bible to Africa, now you Africans who don't understand the content of it want to preach it.
Nor take education seriously first