ekt_bear:

Comments:
1) Likely under 8 million Ijaw in Nigeria. 5% is a better estimate than 10%.
2) #s for the three major ethnic groups, dunno. But populationwise, [b]proly Igbo (#1), Yoruba (#2), Hausa-Fulani (#3).[/b]3) I'm a bit surprised that they were too lazy to get updated GDP figures for states. . . using that same 2007 Canback database that they just grabbed from Wikipedia I wish they'd been less cheap and purchased updated figures. I'd really like to know how the states stack up GDP-wise.
4) Igboland literacy rates for women, phenomenal.

Overall though, seems like a fairly decent summary of naija, I think.

ekt_bear:

Comments:
1) Likely under 8 million Ijaw in Nigeria. 5% is a better estimate than 10%.
2) #s for the three major ethnic groups, dunno. But populationwise, proly Igbo (#1), Yoruba (#2), Hausa-Fulani (#3).
3) I'm a bit surprised that they were too lazy to get updated GDP figures for states. . . using that same 2007 Canback database that they just grabbed from Wikipedia  I wish they'd been less cheap and purchased updated figures. I'd really like to know how the states stack up GDP-wise.
4) Igboland literacy rates for women, phenomenal.

Overall though, seems like a fairly decent summary of naija, I think.

kodewrita:

@Beaf makes sense considering Rivers just got some oil wells back from Ak/Ibom

ekt_bear:

@Beaf: Rivers produces a lot more oil and is much better managed than Delta. You won't progress with guys like Ibori having $3 billion in his account.

@Yoruba folk: That is my own personal guess! No internet noise. It just makes sense.

SuperPap:

Now you see that the north is more impoverished, and less advanced than the south. Yet some scream that the north is trying to hoard ND resources.
Following years of northern rule, southern Nigeria is more developed! How then has the north been stealing resources to build their own?

Beaf:

For the same reasons mentioned above, Ibori's theft is inconsequencial.

ekt_bear:

@Beaf:

1) That chart isn't GDP/capita. Just GDP.
2) In any case, oil isn't the sole determinant of GDP. The economies of Lagos, Oyo, Ogun and several other states are not oil-based. Oil represents a small fraction of the overall GDP for those states. Things like real estate, agriculture, light manufacturing, etc probably make up the lion's share of the economy.
3) Ibori stealing $3 billion+ has had an "inconsequential" impact on Delta State? That is roughly at least year's worth of government revenue for Delta. You don't think someone stealing an entire year's worth of state funds has a SUBSTANTIAL negative impact? 

Beaf:

Guys, you are getting it wrong. The BBC has used GDP Purchasing power parity (PPP) which is about how much money is in the individual citizens pocket; it isn't about oil wells, but is a measure of the general economic wellbeing of each inividual.

For the same reasons mentioned above, Ibori's theft is inconsequencial.

Beaf:

The chart clearly says GDP PPP. So all of your arguments are wrong, it isn't about oil or govt stipends, but how well off the average individual you meet on the street is.

ekt_bear:

Comments:
1) Likely under 8 million Ijaw in Nigeria. 5% is a better estimate than 10%.
2) #s for the three major ethnic groups, dunno. But populationwise, proly Igbo (#1), Yoruba (#2), Hausa-Fulani (#3).
3) I'm a bit surprised that they were too lazy to get updated GDP figures for states. . . using that same 2007 Canback database that they just grabbed from Wikipedia  I wish they'd been less cheap and purchased updated figures. I'd really like to know how the states stack up GDP-wise.
4) Igboland literacy rates for women, phenomenal.

Overall though, seems like a fairly decent summary of naija, I think.

ekt_bear:

Yes, the chart is discussing total GDP (the distinction between nominal versus ppp isn't going to be a big deal), not per capita GDP. Thus, it says nothing about how each individual is doing.
GDP (whether PPP or nomial) doesn't measure this on an individual level. Per capita does. This is why I am saying you are wrong. GDP (whether nominal or PPP) doesn't say anything about how your typical individual is doing.

Two countries might have a GDP of $100 billion. In which one is the typical person doing better? If country A has a population of 100,000 and country B a population of 1 billion, then it is clear that country A is doing better than country B on an individual level.

I am all ears. Please explain very carefully to me how the $3 billion+ Ibori stole from your state (Delta) is inconsequential.

That is NOT the point of the PPP adjustment. It measures the fact that buying (for example) groundnut in Nigeria is cheaper than it is in London. It basically adjusts for the consumer price index across nations. I don't think this Canback group (that the BBC sourced the data for) made further adjustments for PPP for each state. . . it only adjusts for Nigeria relative to the rest of the world. Not each of Ekiti State, Kaduna, etc.

Beaf:

GDP PPP is GDP adjusted for price parity

and price parity is a direct measure of relative economic wellbeing.

It has nothing to do with oil money (which just 1% of the population has access to)

or govt stipends (which Ibori stole).

In every sense, it is a measure of both development and economic activity

Govt stipends do not contribute much to overall economic activity in any state.

(as if this should require anything more than common sense to see  )

odumchi:

You might be correct here. Let's use some common sense, the north is mostly desert and a dry savannah, how can such a barren region have a greater population than the fertile, arable south? And the true Hausa Fulani population in Nigeria is probably less than 20million. The rest are most likely conquered peoples who maintain their distinct culture but still speak the Hausa Language.

The actual true Hausa Population is around 15million with 5million Fulanis. Remember the Fulani and Hausa are different peoples who were united in 1804 by Usman Dan Fodio. So the actual population Numbers would really be (1) Yoruba 36million  (2) Igbo 35 million  (3) Hausa 22 million  (4) Ijaw 15million (5) Fulani 5 million (6) Other 38 million

ekt_bear:

How did you get those #s for Hausa-Fulani? BTW, what exactly do you consider Fulani, when you say that 5 million? There are some Fulani who are herders, some who live in those small hut villages. I don't think there can be up to 5 million of them combined in Nigeria; that sort of lifestyle doesn't support large #s. Probably less than 2 million total in Nigeria of those. Or are you including urbanized Fulani guys like Sanusi Lamido Sanusi in that 5 million?

And why do you think 15 million Ijaw? That is impossible. Bayelsa is their heartland, and probably has 3 million max. Where do you get the other 12 million from? And why more Yoruba than Igbo? That I'm not sure about; it could go either way. But I think Igbo are more, personally.

odumchi:

The actual true Hausa Population is around 15million with 5million Fulanis. Remember the Fulani and Hausa are different peoples who were united in 1804 by Usman Dan Fodio. So the actual population Numbers would really be (1) Yoruba 36million  (2) Igbo 35 million  (3) Hausa 22 million  (4) Ijaw 15million (5) Fulani 5 million (6) Other 38 million[/b]

ekt_bear:

Yes.
No. I already explained what price parity means in this context. Read the Wikipedia article if you didn't get it.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.

Anyway, it is clear to me that you have no clue what these terms mean. Carefully read the Wikipedia article on GDP. Otherwise there is no point in us further discussing.

Perhaps when you finish doing that, you will understand why James Ibori stealing $3 billion+ from your state had more than an "inconsequential" negative effect (as if this should require anything more than common sense to see   )

edoyad:

When they clump everything together like this it's increases the chances of error. They should have gone further to reduce the limitations of this material. My problem is with kaduna state where they just scored the whole state together knowing fully well that in terms of the  last 3 indices, southern kaduna is even higher than most states in country. But when you group northern and southern kd together and average it, the deficit up north is filled with the southern kd's figures, meaning policy makers will not know where to focus their efforts.

You might be correct here. Let's use some common  sense, the north is mostly desert and a dry savannah,  how can such a barren region have a greater population than the fertile, arable south? And the true Hausa  Fulani population in Nigeria is probably less than  20 million. The rest are most likely conquered peoples  who maintain their distinct culture but still speak the  Hausa Language.  The actual true Hausa Population is around 15 million  with 5 million Fulanis. Remember the Fulani and Hausa  are different peoples who were united in 1804  by  Usman Dan Fodio. So the actual population Numbers  would really be ( 1)  Yoruba 36 million  (2)  Igbo 35  million  (3)  Hausa 22  million  (4)  Ijaw 15 million (5)  Fulani 5  million (6)  Other 38  million

ekt_bear:

How likely is that southern Kaduna will get its own state, btw? I remember reading about some guy running for office who promised to push that heavily.

@Beaf: You are embarrassing yourself. Abeg, Google is just a fingertip away. You can fill the holes in your knowledge easily, rather than being stubbornly ignorant.

How likely is that southern Kaduna will get its own  state, btw? I remember reading about some guy  running for office who promised to push that heavily.

edoyad:

Dude do you know anything about Nigeria at all ? The population of hausa people in kano, kaduna, zamfara, sokoto and jigawa alone nearly tops 20 million. When you add up the population of hausa people from other states it definitely will approach their estimates