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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Mikeal09: 9:47am On Mar 14, 2021
I don wash hand comot for this kind talk...
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by edoairways: 9:48am On Mar 14, 2021
desiredhome:

So what is the essence of all the monetary contribution (compulsorily) to the church?......

Like I ask someone, his financial contribution to the church is ten times even more bigger than the tax he pays to the government, the government provides basic infrastructures we are all enjoying but church can not help him, even the members........
Which infrastructure are Nigerians benefitting from the government? The basic social amenities lacking. Secondly, the contributions made in churches are not compulsory (to set the record straight).

A lot people don't understand the reason there is church, sadly
They are there to build man @the bolded
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 9:49am On Mar 14, 2021
JuanJO:

Na school we go chop Las Las. You self follow for our problem.

Yes. Which country ever became great without improving education.
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by babajeje123(m): 9:53am On Mar 14, 2021
Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories
Sorry, building factories is not his responsibilities but the government you are paying your tax to. Even at that, only God knows the number of people on his payroll.
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Freestainworld(m): 9:56am On Mar 14, 2021
Akwamkpuruamu:


The universities he built, are those working there not on payroll?
After schooling, where will the graduates work? school is good, but we need more of industries where people can be gainfully employed, our graduates are too numerous on the streets doing nothing.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 9:56am On Mar 14, 2021
I think the real question is why have "Nigerians" not Changed for the better ?
A Country is only as good or as bad as the Majority of its Citizens.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by saudatu(m): 9:56am On Mar 14, 2021
Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
cool Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Ifycharlie2(m): 9:57am On Mar 14, 2021
chaloskyx:
RELIGION AND PASTORS ARE ALSO OUR PROBLEM THEY KEEP AKING US WASTE OUR TIME PRAYING AND HOPING GOD WILL CHANGE NIGERIA MEANWHILE THEY KNOW OUR PRAYERS WOULD DO LITTLE OR NOTHING THEY FAIL TO TELL US THE REAL POWER RESIDES IN WE THE PEOPLE BUT CAUSE THEY NEED US TO BE COMING TO CHURCH GIVING OFERRINGS AND SOWING SEEDS FOR A MIRACLE THAT WONT COME THEY WONT TELL US THE TRUTH

Pls stop spewing trash..what about CBN baning crypto trading..what about those politician eating our international and local palliative daily?..what about the scamming loan programs they initiate to loan nigerians yet it was scam...what about those killed during Endsars..those hoodlums that was employed by politicians to disrupt the Endsars movement...what about police brutality...make we just get sense abeg...
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Gainman: 10:00am On Mar 14, 2021
Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories
you are naive. come to his home town University. they produce all sot of things there.
who are the people working there. are they ghost?

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by AmDayo: 10:02am On Mar 14, 2021
Henrydonland:
stupid men of God,talking as if they care if Nigerians are suffering.

This oyedepo of a man is ranked among the richest pastors in the world with private jets and do on with a university that is expensive as hell.

How can a man of God be that rich.



You are the real fool.

You and your schmuck folks still castigate those that talk truth to power and care about the suffering of the Masses.
You called them ill names just because they are brave to speak against your oppressors.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Captain8(m): 10:05am On Mar 14, 2021
Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories
poor members in his church cant afford his high fees schools... instead of helping the poor with the billions he wasted and wasting on private jets, baba is busy enjoying more than presidents..and poor dey die dey go.. this wha Jesus hate the most.. anti Jesus pastors.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Henry22(m): 10:06am On Mar 14, 2021
Me am still asking why all the curses oyedepo placed on bad leaders and terrorists haven't yielded any results? angry

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by eyinjuege: 10:08am On Mar 14, 2021
Myer:


Righteousness simply put is doing what is right.

Prosperity gospel is simply preaching the gospel for gain. 1 Timothy 6 expounds more on this.

I have been to several churches.
They have topics they focus on every month.
The whole of January may be prosperity, the whole of the following month may be divine health, the next month holiness and sanctification etc..
If you visit the church the whole of January, it will be as though all they do there is prosperity, which is a fallacy. Depending on the month you visit, it will seem as though that's their focus.
It's simply untrue that all they focus on is prosperity.
It's the model most of these big churches run, so they can cover a lot of topics.
I know churches ask for tithes and offering in every service which has always been the norm too and perhaps that's why people think all they focus on is prosperity. You however cannot be forced to give it.
I haven't been in a church or paid tithes in years btw.
Now speaking generally winners has provided employment for thousands from their schools- primary, secondary and various universities. Education is also key for any society to grow. The West/Europe is seriously worried because of how covid disrupted the education of their children. They know the value and the implication of this.
Other than academic staff, administrative staff are plenty, cleaners, cooks/kitchen staff etc are all employed too.
Nobody should downplay the impact of these private universities in Nigeria. They have been a plus.
Tithes and offerings do not run the schools.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Lizzy23: 10:09am On Mar 14, 2021
May God grant His people wisdom, a lot of people do not know what they are saying, if you want to criticize be constructive, not mere hear says, a lot of you cannot defend all these utterances you are making. Its unfortunate ...
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by valuedammy(m): 10:09am On Mar 14, 2021
Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories

God bless you and your generation.
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Captain8(m): 10:10am On Mar 14, 2021
chatinent:
Building schools church members cannot afford. Where is the change!
they are the anti christ pastors Jesus was talking about.. baba J say help the poor, but nigerian pastor say papa J, u are on ur own o, we will not help any poor o.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by valuedammy(m): 10:12am On Mar 14, 2021
November1857:
How is that your problem Typical Muslim..

Religious bigot, una hate 2 hear the truth, u are among the set of people your pastor is talking about.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Thereishel: 10:13am On Mar 14, 2021
Mabizeka:
Your churches in the US pays taxes over there but you don't pay it in Nigeria. why?

Misinformation no church in USA where l live pay taxes

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Captain8(m): 10:13am On Mar 14, 2021
Henrydonland:
stupid men of God,talking as if they care if Nigerians are suffering.

This oyedepo of a man is ranked among the richest pastors in the world with private jets and do on with a university that is expensive as hell.

How can a man of God be that rich.
bible once said anti christ pastors will come.. we have start seeing them in nigeria.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by JustforMen: 10:15am On Mar 14, 2021
Mabizeka:
Your churches in the US pays taxes over there but you don't pay it in Nigeria. why?

what has the country done with all the tax it has been collecting?
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by eyinjuege: 10:19am On Mar 14, 2021
Captain8:
poor members in his church cant afford his high fees schools... instead of helping the poor with the billions he wasted and wasting on private jets, baba is busy enjoying more than presidents..and poor dey die dey go.. this wha Jesus hate the most.. anti Jesus pastors.


They have scholarships for poor members of their church, and there is a way the scholarships are disbursed.
Not all members can afford the school, but it's not possible for all to afford. Some members pay 5000 naira as tithe every month, which is 60K per year.
These same members have 4 kids who will each pay about 500K or more per year for a university education meaning 2million per year for all 4 children. Multiply that by 4 years of uni education, that's 8 million naira.
How long will it take your tithe of 60K per year to pay the school fees of your 4 children? It will take you a 133 years.
So why do you expect to afford this kind of school? Who will continue to pay for the deficit in tuition? It's not possible to run those schools on tithe and offering please. The schools have to run themselves and if you want the same or better quality they provide, the fees will be relatively high.
Federal and state unis are heavily subsidised by the govt. A VC of one of the federal unis once gave his estimation of school fees if they were to start running independently without federal govt paying salaries and funding the schools. The fees were in millions per year, much more than any private uni.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by franchasng: 10:22am On Mar 14, 2021
Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories
He has done well in changing Nigeria to his own individual capacity. Living faith also owns bakeries that employ people. Living faith also have staffs that it pays monthly. He also owns universities that employ academic and None academic staffs. He also own farms that produce foods, chicken, etc which contributes to nation building.



If we have 1 million Oyedepo in Nigeria, things will be better than it is today.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by georgeakins: 10:22am On Mar 14, 2021
Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
cool Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.



God bless you!
Flesh and blood did not reveal all this to you, but God in Heaven ...

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Captain8(m): 10:26am On Mar 14, 2021
Akwamkpuruamu:


A man of God should be poor while a man of Satan should be rich. Hope its ok
so pastors should be rich like president? richness are worldly things.. Jesus said to a rich man, sell ur wealth to help the poor then follow me.. are we sure those pastors are following Jesus??

all the apostles that follow Jesus never get rich..

Jesus said if one help any the poor, that person has actually give to Jesus.. today even poor women that help carry head pans to build those schools cant afford their children to it..what a wicked..
anti Christ pastors.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by deavicky(m): 10:30am On Mar 14, 2021
Mabizeka:
Your churches in the US pays taxes over there but you don't pay it in Nigeria. why?
why would he pay tax? Is any religion organisation paying tax in Nigeria? Why should he be different.
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by eyinjuege: 10:35am On Mar 14, 2021
Half of the people wanting free education by these churches don't even attend the church.
A close friend of mine was mad when his daughter was about going to university, because he couldn't afford the tuition for covenant. It was about 750K per session or so.
He started ranting about members not able to afford it.
I asked him if he was a member, he said no.
So why are you angry Mr man?
This was a man who we laugh about never paying tithes. He has never given more than 200 naira as offering.
He didnt want any govt uni for his child because of strikes and safety issues.
I had to ask why he is angry about this? You're not a member, you don't contribute tithes either.
Why are you angry then?
His child went to another private uni which was cheaper though.
This gave me an insight on the Nigerian mentality and freebies. We all want quality for nothing.
Faith based schools abroad are some of the most expensive. Their ratings are usually amongst the top ones too, so their quality is usually good.
Their workers don't work for free either, so why the expectation of it being free or next to nothing? That will only compromise standard imo.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by iramure(m): 10:35am On Mar 14, 2021
Sir, as long as we still have your likes brainwashing people in the name of religion, Nigeria can never progress

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Myer(m): 10:36am On Mar 14, 2021
eyinjuege:


I have been to several churches.
They have topics they focus on every month.
The whole of January may be prosperity, the whole of the following month may be divine health, the next month holiness and sanctification etc..
If you visit the church the whole of January, it will be as though all they do there is prosperity, which is a fallacy. Depending on the month you visit, it will seem as though that's their focus.
It's simply untrue that all they focus on is prosperity.
It's the model most of these big churches run, so they can cover a lot of topics.
I know churches ask for tithes and offering in every service which has always been the norm too and perhaps that's why people think all they focus on is prosperity. You however cannot be forced to give it.
I haven't been in a church or paid tithes in years btw.
Now speaking generally winners has provided employment for thousands from their schools- primary, secondary and various universities. Education is also key for any society to grow. The West/Europe is seriously worried because of how covid disrupted the education of their children. They know the value and the implication of this.
Other than academic staff, administrative staff are plenty, cleaners, cooks/kitchen staff etc are all employed too.
Nobody should downplay the impact of these private universities in Nigeria. They have been a plus.
Tithes and offerings do not run the schools.

You're right. The have a calendar on what to preach.

But is it scriptural or simply human devising? Human devising being mostly attributed to devil's inspiration.

Did you read anywhere in the Bible where Jesus or his disciples dedicated some epistles for messages of prosperity while other days were for righteousness?

Now as a visitor to the church, who strolls in during one of their Prosperity month, what will I learn of the gospel except that it is only for gain which is against the scriptures.

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by sulaak(m): 10:38am On Mar 14, 2021
Akwamkpuruamu:


The universities he built, are those working there not on payroll?

But Uncle , where will the graydate from his university work? Church or Factory

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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by globalresource: 10:39am On Mar 14, 2021
JuanJO:

Na school we go chop Las Las. You self follow for our problem.

So he should take up the responsibility of the people u elected into office?
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by runningriot: 10:50am On Mar 14, 2021
Myer:


You have to wonder what they're teaching cos even the graduates Covenant is churning out are part of the problem instead of being part of the solution.

Winners preaches prosperity without preaching much of righteousness.
When you exalt prosperity over virtues of righteousness, you can be sure that your followers will do anything to gain that prosperity even committing sins that unbelievers won't.

The irony with Christianity is that a unbeliever believes he is committing sin when we steals but a Grace and Prosperity preaches have taught their followers that even if they steal, it is not a sin because Christ has paid for all their sins.

At the end of the day, Christians who should be part of the solution have become more of the problem.

Interestingly you can't blame this pastors because there are Bible verses that support this claim, mostly James and Paul's epistles.

If only Christianity had continued the way the missionaries introduced it to Nigeria, clearly, the Nigeria we have today would be the most prosperous nation in the would but unfortunately the reverse is the case.

Both Christians and Muslims are robbing the Nations and dry and the masses are to suffer for it. Although directly or indirectly the elites are also suffering from this insecure and underdeveloped country they've created.

"Interestingly you can't blame this pastors because there are Bible verses that support this claim, mostly James and Paul's epistles"

Sorry, please I don't understand this paragraph, particularly the dependent clause "There are Bible verses that support this claim". I want you to shade more light and be direct bro"

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