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How God's Decision To Elevate Man Above Angels Caused The War In Heaven / God's Omnipotence Contradicts The Requirement For Free Will In God's Plan. / What Do Angels Really Look Like According To The Bible (2) (3) (4)
|Do Angels Have Free Will? by urchcoded(m): 8:33am On Mar 28|
we were taught as kids that angels were created only to worship God and go on messenger duties. this means that unlike humans, angels weren't given freewill. this begs the question, how did lucifer sin? how was he able to. happy Sunday, jesus is lord!
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Robbit: 8:39am On Mar 28|
For him to rebel means he had free will
I believe " free will " in regards to angels and humans doesn't Hinge on beings but rather on the character of the creator. This implies, God by character, doesn't do without giving free will.
Jesus had it. That's why scripture sys considering being equal didn't count it robbery to press towards the cross
So there's two things with God. Two, becomes one when looked into carefully
1. He gives free will because it is inherent in Him as His Character which is reflected through His Governmenance, principles and precepts
2. His Trustworthiness - Even the elders before His throne, all principalities Hinge of the steadfastness of His Character and for this reason, they entrust their will power to His judgement and leadership.
Hence, God demands our obedience because He always gets everything right and failire implies a failure in us/angels which leads to consequences. And God allows process rather than manipulate with it
So, the angels disobeyed God, process took place, and the process ended up judging them without God lifting a finger.
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Jashub: 8:47am On Mar 28|
If there were no free will, this would not be a moral universe. Which is why God gave each and every creature He created, free will. The act of free will comes from God not wanting anyone to forcefully love Him ; but to obey out of their own consciousness. Which is why the Devil used his own free will to rebel.
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Randy111: 8:56am On Mar 28|
God gives free will to every living being. However, there's something that makes him God. There is this thing that still bring the free will of every living being within his grand plan. In the sense that nothing is really not known by him before time
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:42am On Mar 28|
Oh, boy mind your own business oh, no chook mouth for Senior matter oh! mm!
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by urchcoded(m): 9:45am On Mar 28|
Randy111:if your free will is part of a grand plan, how then can you say you have free will?
that is tautology and incoherence sir.
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by urchcoded(m): 9:47am On Mar 28|
Dtruthspeaker:which one be senior man?
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Randy111: 10:03am On Mar 28|
It doesn't matter what you call it. But that is the thing that makes God who he is. Humans, animals, angels and other creatures has that free will that is limited by what you know, hear about, how far you can think and other factors. And most of this factors couldn't be control by that Individual at some points. There is that one that really control things beyond what you can think of. He control everything
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by hakeem4(m): 10:03am On Mar 28|
This free will argument is kind of complex.
Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded.
The way the bible described the angels was as if they didn’t have free will.
But Satan (lucifer) had free will.
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Jashub: 10:10am On Mar 28|
hakeem4:The bible says one-third of the angels followed Lucifer. That means they made a choice ; and they chose to follow their free will.
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Ihedinobi3: 11:29am On Mar 28|
First off, what we may or may not have been taught about anything at any point in our lives, whether in childhood or in adulthood, should be subject to verification by appropriate authorities. In Christianity, a teaching is only valid to the degree that it agrees with what the Bible actually says.
Second, I don't really see from your narration above how being created to worship God and run errands for Him means that angels don't have free will. Maybe you could explain that a little better.
Third, I think that the very fact of Satan's sin is proof that angels have free will. Therefore, the question "do angels have free will?" is already answered.
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:23pm On Mar 28|
I'm Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, would you like me to participate in the ongoing discussion?
|Re: Do Angels Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:38pm On Mar 28|
Bros, you No know say Angel High pass us well-well?
Na dem be Army, Police and Soldier for God Hand oh!
You know how you dey take behave and hold yourself for common dis ones wey dey for earth and you no dey chook mouth for dia Mata, na so you suppose take hold yourself well-well for Dia Own Side oh, No Chook your small mouth for Dia Matta oh!
Den No be ya mate oh!
NA ONLY 2 NA IM DABARU AND DEMOLISH SODO AND GOMO FINISH PATA-PATA COMOT FROM MAP!
AND NA ONLY ONE WIPE 70,000 when David made the Error of doing Census Unlawfully!
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