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Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 2:37pm On Mar 30, 2021
It's baffling how witches and wizards call themselves Christians today. They serve the devil yet claim to be followers of Christ, they have supernatural powers to control nature, destroy the lives of others, get guidance from demonic spirits which they call Holy Spirit, leave their bodies and travel to other locations, cast spells on animals, and do all other sorts of boring stuffs. True Christianity is lost, can't be found anywhere, the number of those who truly has the Holy Ghost worldwide today can't be more than 1,500. What we celebrate as church today is merely a gathering of witches, wizards, warlocks, sorcerers and the likes. These witches gets uncomfortable when a true and prayerful believer shows up, they feel like running away. Do you truly belong to Christ? You may be a blind witch, believe me, thinking you're serving Jesus. Do you have the Holy Ghost? What are the fruits of your life? What does your life have in common with Christ Jesus? Check yourself or you perish in ignorance and deception of the devil. You may have encountered a fake Jesus in your astral or underwater world, but look here, don't be deceived! There are many Jesus' in the Spirit realm, Paul cursed those who were preaching other Jesus' than that which he had preached. How do you know you're a witch and have nothing to do with God or Jesus?

-You can never utter "Jesus is Lord" or "Jesus is the Son of the Living God crucified for me." If you're able to say Jesus is Lord, deep down you don't actually believe it.
-You believe every religion leads to God. Guess which God that is? The Devil! The reason why you agree that all road leads to God is that you have the same spirits such as the Islamists, Idol worshippers, Buddhists, etc have.
-You can control elements of nature. Wind, fire, etc.
-You leave your body and find yourself in other locations, most of the times with a group, other times working, eating, drinking, dancing, having sex, and other abominable practices.
-You can leave your body to have sex with a human body or spirits. You have a life in the spirit world.
-Your eyes are opened to the spirit world and you see everything clearly.
-Some of you turns into any kind of animal or insect and invade your target's premises.
-You can do things, control humans with your mind.
-You can summon demons, you can channel them. You're like a portal through which darkness invades the earth.
-You hear spirits speaking to you to do this and that and you obey. Afterwards, you discover that those things are ungodly.
-You get uncomfortable around true believers who are prayerful because there is always fire breaking out of them. You want to immediately leave their presence because you can't bear them, then you begin to cross your legs and hands, touching your waist.

I've shown you that you're a witch and not a child of God, you're of your father the Devil. Will you repent? It's true you were threatened the day you receive Jesus you will be killed, but that's not true. Why? The devil can't have you in heaven, he hates anyone going there. Receive Jesus today and be free! Receive Jesus! Receive life!

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Jesus has set you free from your sins, yes all your sins as many as they are, as wicked as you are, He has cleansed you by His blood, believe it and accept Him as Lord, dedicate yourself to Him and to the glory of God. This may be the last time anyone will preach the gospel to you, let go of fear and stop being a slave of the devil. You were created to have dominion over the devil, just take a look at yourself, becoming a slave of your subject! He will use and dump you, go ask those he used before you how their lives ended. Turn to Jesus today, he will accept you, cleanse you, make a new man out of you. Return to your Maker today!

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Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by TheSourcerer: 2:51pm On Mar 30, 2021
I love Jesus

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Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 2:59pm On Mar 30, 2021
TheSourcerer:
I love Jesus
It is not enough to love Jesus, you have to let go of your covenants with those spirits and enter into a covenant with Him. You understand how these things work, we are talking kingdom here. You may love the king of another kingdom and never belong to that kingdom ever. You have to submit to Christ's government, get washed of your sins by His blood, receive His Spirit into you and live for Him. That's how it works. If you love him you will obey him, and to obey him you must submit and live for Him. Love according to spirits is "obedience."

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Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by TheSourcerer: 3:03pm On Mar 30, 2021
herlecks:
It is not enough to love Jesus, you have to let go of your covenants with those spirits and enter into a covenant with Him. You understand how these things work, we are talking kingdom here. You may love the king of another kingdom and never belong to that kingdom ever. You have to submit to Christ's government, get washed of your sins by His blood, receive His Spirit into you and live for Him. That's how it works. If you love him you will obey him, and to obey him you must submit and live for Him. Love according to spirits is "obedience."
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Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Tobbit: 3:09pm On Mar 30, 2021
This is the sad reality today. Thus is the true picture of modern day society. God help us. The rate at which Astral Travel, Demon summoning, Spirit guides, Sorcery is been done by We Christians is so saddening. People Transforming themselves in the spiritual realm to target enemies to inflict harm
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by psychalade: 3:16pm On Mar 30, 2021
So you believed the helios biblios "book of the sun"(renamed holy bible) fable about the creator having a son named Jesus


For your deliverance from bible cooked stories kindly Google "how serapis christus became Jesus christ" and the YouTube link bellow as tools to de_program your mind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYKULcs6R0I
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by psychalade: 4:18pm On Mar 30, 2021
Christians find it "understandbly" painful to believe that they could be lied to and indoctrinated to a false pagan deity of serapis christus, a European! grin

Instead of seeking knowledge through investigation and research of world history facts, they preferred to perish in blind faith and beliefs.

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Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 4:27pm On Mar 30, 2021
Tobbit:
This is the sad reality today. Thus is the true picture of modern day society. God help us. The rate at which Astral Travel, Demon summoning, Spirit guides, Sorcery is been done by We Christians is so saddening. People Transforming themselves in the spiritual realm to target enemies to inflict harm
I feel very confused when I see witches gather in large number singing and praying. Then I ask myself, "who are these guys praying to?" Can you worship God with the millions of demons you carry on your inside? They know they are not serving God, they are just being hypocritical. I've dealt with witchcraft for over awhile now, what I've discovered is that witches are shameless, both young and old.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 4:47pm On Mar 30, 2021
psychalade:
Christians find it "understandbly" painful to believe that they could be lied to and indoctrinated to a false pagan deity of serapis christus, a European! grin

Instead of seeking knowledge through investigation and research of world history facts, they preferred to perish in blind faith and beliefs.

We live in a world of Lies, ageed but Truth is like the ground under feet and the sky above, constant and Unchanged.

And like the testimonies of the witnesses against Jesus, their stories are ALWAYS INCONSISTENT, CONTRADICTORY AND ALWAYS CHANGING, CENTURY TO CENTURY.

One insane man here said it was a Roman creation now you have come with your own story.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by psychalade: 4:55pm On Mar 30, 2021
Have you researched that my "own story" grin

Hehehehehe, the spells cast on Christians via church day in day out programming is indeed very powerful!
The church made sure members have no idle time for personal thought and research grin
Dtruthspeaker:


We live in a world of Lies, ageed but Truth is like the ground under feet and the sky above, constant and Unchanged.

And like the testimonies of the witnesses against Jesus, their stories are ALWAYS INCONSISTENT, CONTRADICTORY AND ALWAYS CHANGING, CENTURY TO CENTURY.

One insane man here said it was a Roman creation now you have come with your own story.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 5:00pm On Mar 30, 2021
psychalade:
Have you researched that my "own story" grin

Hehehehehe, the spells cast on Christians is indeed very powerful!

Nope!

It is sufficient that different people give different stories eg person 1 says = "Fuel price is now N87

Person 2 says = N120

Person 3 says = N207
Can you reasonably live on any of these accounts, in TRUTH?
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by psychalade: 5:07pm On Mar 30, 2021
Muddling the waters as usual �

Dtruthspeaker:


Nope!

It is sufficient that different people give different stories eg person 1 says = "Fuel price is now N87

Person 2 says = N120

Person 3 says = N207
Can you reasonably live on any of these accounts, in TRUTH?
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Tobbit: 5:09pm On Mar 30, 2021
herlecks:
I feel very confused when I see witches gather in large number singing and praying. Then I ask myself, "who are these guys praying to?" Can you worship God with the millions of demons you carry on your inside? They know they are not serving God, they are just being hypocritical. I've dealt with witchcraft for over awhile now, what I've discovered is that witches are shameless, both young and old.



Pure and simple. Witches are shameless. I no longer embrace the ideology of casting out demons. In the ear of the Earlier church, fine. Now, people love the demons and have no desire to part with demons. Hence, any form of casting out isn't as impact full because they love their demons.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 5:10pm On Mar 30, 2021
psychalade:
Muddling the waters as usual �


There is no Muddling with Truth! It is Always Very Clear and Beyond Reasonable Dispute like The ground under your feet which you are either standing on it or you are falling down drownings or flying as a ghost.

Truth is Always Always Clear!

Which clearly means your assertion is Another Fabrication and Untrue!
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 5:18pm On Mar 30, 2021
psychalade:

Hehehehehe, the spells cast on Christians via church day in day out programming is indeed very powerful!
The church made sure members have no idle time for personal thought and research grin

Juju houses called "church" did do witchcraft on lazy, foolish gullible visitors not "Christ Likes"!
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 5:19pm On Mar 30, 2021
herlecks:

Jesus has set you free from your sins, yes all your sins as many as they are, as wicked as you are, He has cleansed you by His blood, believe it and accept Him as Lord, dedicate yourself to Him and to the glory of God. This may be the last time anyone will preach the gospel to you, let go of fear and stop being a slave of the devil. You were created to have dominion over the devil, just take a look at yourself, becoming a slave of your subject! He will use and dump you, go ask those he used before you how their lives ended. Turn to Jesus today, he will accept you, cleanse you, make a new man out of you. Return to your Maker today!
Are you certain you are not one of the "witches and wizards" here? undecided

Jesus Christ did not set people free from sin, instead He gave them the way to set themselves free from sin (read John 8 for the conversation Jesus had with the jews of His time about this). undecided

Jesus Christ never "cleansed" anyone with His blood. Instead He said His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins and so those who accept and obey His teachings/commandments are those who shed the shackles of sin and embrace instead Son-ship through Him. What Jesus taught was obedience, not a washing away of sin via blood. undecided
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by elated177: 8:52pm On Mar 30, 2021
herlecks:
It's baffling how witches and wizards call themselves Christians today. They serve the devil yet claim to be followers of Christ, they have supernatural powers to control nature, destroy the lives of others, get guidance from demonic spirits which they call Holy Spirit, leave their bodies and travel to other locations, cast spells on animals, and do all other sorts of boring stuffs. True Christianity is lost, can't be found anywhere, the number of those who truly has the Holy Ghost worldwide today can't be more than 1,500. What we celebrate as church today is merely a gathering of witches, wizards, warlocks, sorcerers and the likes. These witches gets uncomfortable when a true and prayerful believer shows up, they feel like running away. Do you truly belong to Christ? You may be a blind witch, believe me, thinking you're serving Jesus. Do you have the Holy Ghost? What are the fruits of your life? What does your life have in common with Christ Jesus? Check yourself or you perish in ignorance and deception of the devil. You may have encountered a fake Jesus in your astral or underwater world, but look here, don't be deceived! There are many Jesus' in the Spirit realm, Paul cursed those who were preaching other Jesus' than that which he had preached. How do you know you're a witch and have nothing to do with God or Jesus?

-You can never utter "Jesus is Lord" or "Jesus is the Son of the Living God crucified for me." If you're able to say Jesus is Lord, deep down you don't actually believe it.
-You believe every religion leads to God. Guess which God that is? The Devil! The reason why you agree that all road leads to God is that you have the same spirits such as the Islamists, Idol worshippers, Buddhists, etc have.
-You can control elements of nature. Wind, fire, etc.
-You leave your body and find yourself in other locations, most of the times with a group, other times working, eating, drinking, dancing, having sex, and other abominable practices.
-You can leave your body to have sex with a human body or spirits. You have a life in the spirit world.
-Your eyes are opened to the spirit world and you see everything clearly.
-Some of you turns into any kind of animal or insect and invade your target's premises.
-You can do things, control humans with your mind.
-You can summon demons, you can channel them. You're like a portal through which darkness invades the earth.
-You hear spirits speaking to you to do this and that and you obey. Afterwards, you discover that those things are ungodly.
-You get uncomfortable around true believers who are prayerful because there is always fire breaking out of them. You want to immediately leave their presence because you can't bear them, then you begin to cross your legs and hands, touching your waist.

I've shown you that you're a witch and not a child of God, you're of your father the Devil. Will you repent? It's true you were threatened the day you receive Jesus you will be killed, but that's not true. Why? The devil can't have you in heaven, he hates anyone going there. Receive Jesus today and be free! Receive Jesus! Receive life!

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Jesus has set you free from your sins, yes all your sins as many as they are, as wicked as you are, He has cleansed you by His blood, believe it and accept Him as Lord, dedicate yourself to Him and to the glory of God. This may be the last time anyone will preach the gospel to you, let go of fear and stop being a slave of the devil. You were created to have dominion over the devil, just take a look at yourself, becoming a slave of your subject! He will use and dump you, go ask those he used before you how their lives ended. Turn to Jesus today, he will accept you, cleanse you, make a new man out of you. Return to your Maker today!

Herlecks, of all you stated in your message, I have just few objections. Could you explain the bolded in your message to me? How and where did the servants of Satan acquire the power to control nature in the context you described? Who gave the slaves of Satan the power to control fire and wind like you opined?
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 2:21am On Mar 31, 2021
Tobbit:




Pure and simple. Witches are shameless. I no longer embrace the ideology of casting out demons. In the ear of the Earlier church, fine. Now, people love the demons and have no desire to part with demons. Hence, any form of casting out isn't as impact full because they love their demons.
Oh! You know them so much. You just keep on casting out devils out of them, in a few minutes they would be back with another legion! This is what the world has turned to, even the kids on the street play with winds, transmit demons as if it's no big deal, but these guys are having fun in damnation, they will perish, they can't see that. Demons should be cast out of true believers alone and those who are willing to receive the Word.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 2:31am On Mar 31, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Are you certain you are not one of the "witches and wizards" here? undecided

Jesus Christ did not set people free from sin, instead He gave them the way to set themselves free from sin (read John 8 for the conversation Jesus had with the jews of His time about this). undecided

Jesus Christ never "cleansed" anyone with His blood. Instead He said His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins and so those who accept and obey His teachings/commandments are those who shed the shackles of sin and embrace instead Son-ship through Him. What Jesus taught was obedience, not a washing away of sin via blood. undecided
Don't be confused. If you're looking for who will argue with you you can look somewhere else. What will the blood do to your defiled soul if not cleanse it? Jesus didn't set people free from sin? Why was it impossible for the Jews to live above sin and obey their law perfectly? Was it not because they had the law but no grace to empower them to fulfill it? Do you think you can set yourself free from sin because a way was shown to you? The Jews had a way in the law, but they remained slaves of sin. You must be thinking you're so powerful to set yourself free from the flesh's power, you do not need the spiritual substance called "grace." Your mentality denies the basics of the gospel. Jesus gave no one way to set "themselves" free from sin, he sets them free himself, whosoever the Son of man "sets free" is free indeed, is this part in your Bible? What Jesus gives you is POWER or ability to live above sin, and that spiritual ability is called grace.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 2:56am On Mar 31, 2021
elated177:


Herlecks, of all you stated in your message, I have just few objections. Could you explain the bolded in your message to me? How and where did the servants of Satan acquire the power to control nature in the context you described? Who gave the slaves of Satan the power to control fire and wind like you opined?

Firstly, God has given the earth to man, this is why he hardly interferes in worldly affairs, you have to make him intervene by prayer and invitation. Man handed himself and the earth to the Devil, including his authority. Secondly, let me ask you, who gave Jannes and Jambres the ability to turn stick into snake like Moses? These guys were able to do almost everything Moses did. This should be what only God can do, right? You have not been introduced to the negative supernatural, the demonic realm where everything that belongs to God has a counterfeit. These are the things that should be taught in the church, things that empowers the believer to wage a good warfare. There's a counterfeit for every spiritual gift you can find in the Bible, be it prophecy, word of knowledge, tongues etc, this is why some herbalists sees more clear and accurate visions than a prophet. And you must understand that the demonic realm knows that creation fell with Adam, creation partook of the corruption that crept into Adam because he was vitally connection to the cosmos as the watcher. When he fell, creation fell, this is why Paul said creation is subjected to corruption and it will be redeemed just like believers when the time is right, and earth will be once again Eden. Demonic intelligences have found a way to manipulate nature through the agency of demons. And don't forget that the spirits that fell with Lucifer also know some secrets about creation, because they were there when God made the earth. It's in your Bible, God made the heavens first, then the earth. I don't want to go into things bogus, the earth was indwelt by a certain class of creation before the crisis in Genesis 1:2. This is the origin of demons. These beings lived on earth before men came, they knew the operations of the planet. earth.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 3:07am On Mar 31, 2021
herlecks:
Don't be confused. If you're looking for who will argue with you you can look somewhere else. What will the blood do to your defiled soul if not cleanse it?
According to Jesus Christ, His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins - Jesus Christ never said anything about His blood being used to cleanse anything, not even your so-called soul. undecided

Matthew 26 vs 26-30 (ERV)
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26. While they were eating, Jesus took some bread and thanked God for it. He broke off some pieces, gave them to his followers, and said, “Take this bread and eat it. It is my body.”
27. Then he took a cup of wine, thanked God for it, and gave it to them. He said, “Each one of you drink some of it.
28. This wine is my blood, which will be poured out to forgive the sins of many and begin the new agreement from God to his people.
29. I want you to know, I will not drink this wine again until that day when we are together in my Father’s kingdom and the wine is new. Then I will drink it again with you.”
30. They all sang a song and then went out to the Mount of Olives.
In fact, there is no mention of the souls of men being defiled, in any of the teachings of Jesus Christ, to begin with, so I don't know where you get that from.
herlecks:
Jesus didn't set people free from sin?
Jesus Christ saved those who believe from the condemnation of Sin(Death) not to confused with sin itself, and gifted them with eternal life instead - opposite of death, in this case, is eternal life.

John 3 vs 16-21 (ERV)
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16. “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
20. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
21. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”
This can be resolved by considering that even those who are saved do commit sin. So it is wrong to say that Jesus Christ set people free from sin in that way you assume.
herlecks:
Jesus didn't set people free from sin? Why was it impossible for the Jews to live above sin and obey their law perfectly?
It was not impossible for the Jews to live above sin and obey their law perfectly. Right there in the gospels, you are given examples of several Jews who lived righteous lives, all of them by obeying the Old Covenant laws which you speak of. The following are just 4 examples of such given you right there in the 4 gospels
1) Zechariah, and his wife, Elizabeth, both of them Old covenant Jews, was introduced as righteous folks

Luke 1 vs 5-7 (ERV)
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5. In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah,[a] of the division of Abijah. And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.
6. And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
7. But they had no child because Elizabeth was barren, and both were advanced in years.
2) Joseph, husband of Mary, an Old covenant Jew, was introduced as a righteous man

Matthew 1 vs 19-20 (ESV)
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19. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.
19. But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
3)Simeon, an Old covenant Jew, was introduced as a righteous man

Luke 2 vs 25-35 (ESV)
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25. Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
26. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
27. And he came in the Spirit into the temple, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the Law,
28. he took him up in his arms and blessed God and said,
29. “Lord, now you are letting your servant[e] depart in peace, according to your word;
30. for my eyes have seen your salvation
31. that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
32. a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel.”
33. And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him.
34. And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, “Behold, this child is appointed for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is opposed
35. (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed.”

4) Joseph from the Jewish town of Arimathea, was introduced as a righteous man

Luke 23 vs 50-35 (ESV)
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50. Now there was a man named Joseph, from the Jewish town of Arimathea. He was a member of the council, a good and righteous man,
51. who had not consented to their decision and action, and he was looking for the kingdom of God.
52. This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

So, I don't know where you got your idea that it was impossible for the Jews to in fact live righteous lives insinuating there were none righteous in the land even at the time that Jesus Christ walked the earth. undecided
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 3:14am On Mar 31, 2021
Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins - Jesus Christ never said anything about His blood being used to cleanse anything, not even your so-called soul. undecided
In fact, there is no mention of the souls of men being defiled, in any of the teachings of Jesus Christ, to begin with, so I don't know where you get that from.
Jesus Christ saved those who believe from the condemnation of Sin(Death) not to confused with sin itself, and gifted them with eternal life instead - opposite of death, in this case, is eternal life. This can be resolved by considering that even those who are saved do commit sin. So it is wrong to say that Jesus Christ set people free from sin in that way you assume. It was not impossible for the Jews to live above sin and obey their law perfectly. Right there in the gospels, you are given examples of several Jews who lived righteous lives, all of them by obeying the Old Covenant laws which you speak of. The following are just 4 examples of such given you right there in the 4 gospels
1) Zechariah, and his wife, Elizabeth, both of them Old covenant Jews, was introduced as righteous folks 2) Joseph, husband of Mary, an Old covenant Jew, was introduced as a righteous man
3)Simeon, an Old covenant Jew, was introduced as a righteous man

4) Joseph from the Jewish town of Arimathea, was introduced as a righteous man

So, I don't know where you got your idea that it was impossible for the Jews to in fact live righteous lives to suggest that there were none righteous in the land at the time that Jesus Christ came. undecided
It's ok if you don't believe now that Jesus sets men free from sin. You haven't touched that reality, I understand, God hasn't brought you to that point of helplessness against your flesh where you see yourself just as you are, helpless, empty, hopeless against sin, that's the point where you begin to discover all this has nothing to do with you or your abilities, but Christ Jesus. Enjoy.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 3:16am On Mar 31, 2021
herlecks:
Was it not because they had the law but no grace to empower them to fulfill it?
I am afraid you are wrong! God's grace existed even on those of the Old Covenant who lived a righteous existence. See Ezekiel 18 where God, Eternal Life Himself, swore by His Name, that only the one who sins will die... meaning the righteous among the people will live(not die i.e. have eternal life).

True Justice
Ezekiel 18 vs 1-20 (ERV)
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1. The word of the Lord came to me. He said,
2. “Why do you people say this proverb: ‘The parents ate the sour grapes, but the children got the sour taste’[a]?”
3. But the Lord God says, “By my life, I swear that people in Israel will not think this proverb is true anymore!
4. I will treat everyone, child and parent, just the same. The one who sins is the one who will die!
5. “A person who is good will live! He is fair and does what is right.
6. He doesn’t go to the mountains to share food offered to idols. He doesn’t pray to those filthy idols in Israel. He doesn’t commit adultery with his neighbor’s wife or with a woman during her period.
7. He doesn’t take advantage of others. If someone borrows money from him, he might take something of value before he gives the money. But when that person pays him back, he returns what he took. He gives food to the hungry and clothes to people who need them.
8. If someone wants to borrow money from him, he lends the money and doesn’t charge interest on the loan. He refuses to be crooked. He is always fair with everyone. People can trust him.
9. He obeys my laws and studies my rules so that he can learn to be fair and dependable. He is good, so he will live.” This is what the Lord God said.
10. “But someone like that might have a son who does not do any of these good things. The son steals things and kills people. 11. He does things his father never did. He goes to the mountains and eats foods offered to false gods. He commits the sin of adultery with his neighbor’s wife.
12. He mistreats poor, helpless people. He takes advantage of them. When a debt is paid, he does not give back what he took from them. He prays to filthy idols and does other terrible things.
13. He lends money to people who need it, but he forces them to pay interest on the loan. The evil son will not be allowed to live. He will be put to death because he did such terrible things, and he will be responsible for his own death.
14. “Now, that evil son might also have a son. But this son sees the bad things his father did, and he refuses to live as his father did. He treats people fairly.
15. He does not go to the mountains and eat foods offered to false gods. He does not pray to filthy idols in Israel. He does not commit the sin of adultery with his neighbor’s wife.
16. He does not take advantage of people. If someone borrows money from him, the good son takes something of value and then gives the other person the money. When that person pays him back, the good son gives back what he took. The good son gives food to hungry people, and he gives clothes to those who need them.
17. He helps the poor. If people want to borrow money, the good son lends them the money, and he does not charge interest on the loan. He obeys my laws and follows them. He will not be put to death for his father’s sins. The good son will live.
18. The father hurts people and steals things. He never does anything good for my people! He will die because of his own sins.
19. “You might ask, ‘Why will the son not be punished for his father’s sins?’ The reason is that the son was fair and did good things. He very carefully obeyed my laws, so he will live.
20. The one who sins is the one who will be put to death. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins. A good man’s goodness belongs to him alone, and a bad man’s evil belongs to him alone.
Where grace that you speak of refers to the eternal life that exists even in the person of Jesus Christ.

John 1 vs 14-24
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14. The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.
15. John told people about him. He said loudly, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘The one who is coming after me is greater than I am, because he was living before I was even born.’”

16. Yes, the Word was full of grace and truth, and from him we all received one blessing after another.[d]
17. That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18. No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father.[e]
In Jesus Christ, what John referred to as grace is the Eternal life(grace) that is carried in Jesus Christ(the Life) which we receive when we believe in Him.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by herlecks(m): 3:21am On Mar 31, 2021
Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are wrong! God's grace existed even on those of the Old Covenant who lived a righteous existence. See Ezekiel 18 where God, Eternal Life Himself, swore by His Name, that only the one who sins will die... meaning the righteous among the people will live(not die i.e. have eternal life).
Where grace that you speak of refers to the eternal life that exists even in the person of Jesus Christ.
In Jesus Christ, what John referred to as grace is the Eternal life(grace) that is carried in Jesus Christ(the Life) which we receive when we believe in Him.
Hebrews 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

They had the word but no grace to fulfill it. There was no grace until Christ Jesus.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 3:33am On Mar 31, 2021
herlecks:
Do you think you can set yourself free from sin because a way was shown to you?
This isn't about what I think but about what Jesus Christ Himself taught us in His Word. According to Jesus Christ in the passage below, it is those who accept and obey His teachings that are His true followers and by knowing His Truth(the teachings of Jesus Christ), they are set free from sin by the Truth( the teachings of Jesus Christ). undecided

John 8 vs 31-36
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31. So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
32. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33. They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34. Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
35. A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever.
36. So if the Son makes you free, you are really free.
So, the setting free from slavery to sin is not a miraculous process but a process that requires trust and obedience of the Word/Teaching/Commandments of Jesus Christ in order for that to take place - No bathing in blood necessary for to accomplish that.
And as Jesus Christ went on to explain to the Jews who kept refusing His teaching, those who refuse to accept(trust) and obey His teachings, though they are of God(belief in God), are really of the devil. undecided

John 8 vs 42-47
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42. Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me.
43. You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching.
44. Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies.
45. “I am telling you the truth, and that’s why you don’t believe me.
46. Can any of you prove that I am guilty of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe me?
47. Whoever belongs to God accepts what he says. But you don’t accept what God says, because you don’t belong to God.”
I would advice reading the entire chapter of John 8 to understand the entirety of the conversation that ensued between Jesus Christ and the Jews on this particular occasion.
herlecks:
The Jews had a way in the law, but they remained slaves of sin. You must be thinking you're so powerful to set yourself free from the flesh's power, you do not need the spiritual substance called "grace." Your mentality denies the basics of the gospel.
There are many today who believe in Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law, but remain slaves to sin, and why is it? The reason is no different from the reason that exists with those of the Old Covenant laws - these are people who refuse to obey the commandments as dictated by God on either side. So, I am not certain why you assume that this problem is somehow unique to those of the Old Covenant. undecided
Power has absolutely nothing to do with any of this as it is a simple act of submitting one's will(die to self, pick up your cross) to the Will of God, and choosing every moment of the day to obey, rather than disobey. And when one, through acceptance(trust) and obedience has proved oneself worthy, Christ Himself will come and abide in such a one to carry out the Will of the Father just as He Himself had to surrender to the Will of the Father.

John 15 vs 1-11(ESV)
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1. “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8. By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
9. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.
10. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
11. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.
And if you read carefully, the way to getting Jesus Christ to abide in you, is to, again, accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments. Just as He, Jesus Christ, did, He commands you to do the very same.
herlecks:
Jesus gave no one way to set "themselves" free from sin, he sets them free himself, whosoever the Son of man "sets free" is free indeed, is this part in your Bible? What Jesus gives you is POWER or ability to live above sin, and that spiritual ability is called grace.
Sin is disobedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ and it is only by choosing to obey Him that you are lifted out of slavery to sin and into Sonship. undecided
From the passages above, it should be clear that the "power or ability" you claim is not grace(eternal life) but instead a choice for you to make.... you choose either to obey or to disobey. undecided
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 3:35am On Mar 31, 2021
herlecks:
Hebrews 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

They had the word but no grace to fulfill it. There was no grace until Christ Jesus.
Well, you have to decide for yourself... Did God lie in Ezekiel 18? undecided
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 3:39am On Mar 31, 2021
herlecks:
It's ok if you don't believe now that Jesus sets men free from sin. You haven't touched that reality, I understand, God hasn't brought you to that point of helplessness against your flesh where you see yourself just as you are, helpless, empty, hopeless against sin, that's the point where you begin to discover all this has nothing to do with you or your abilities, but Christ Jesus. Enjoy.
Don't worry about my reality... instead worry about knowing the Truth of God as presented to you by Jesus Christ, the Word of God in the book you carry around with you. undecided
I can tell you one thing and that is what Jesus Christ declared in John 8 is the Truth as far as freedom from sin and what He said of those He abides in living above sin, in John 15, is also True - Jesus Christ is indeed the Truth of God. undecided
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Nobody: 5:46am On Mar 31, 2021
Jesus never started a church. He told people to go and put the word of God into practice. He did not tell people to go and start a church. Knowing God and doing the will of God is not religion.
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Tobbit: 6:53am On Mar 31, 2021
herlecks:
Oh! You know them so much. You just keep on casting out devils out of them, in a few minutes they would be back with another legion! This is what the world has turned to, even the kids on the street play with winds, transmit demons as if it's no big deal, but these guys are having fun in damnation, they will perish, they can't see that. Demons should be cast out of true believers alone and those who are willing to receive the Word.



In Gold " Demons should be cast out of true believers alone and those who are willing to receive the Word "

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Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 6:57am On Mar 31, 2021
Tobbit:

In Gold " Demons should be cast out of true believers alone and those who are willing to receive the Word "
Herlecks are you Tobbit? undecided
Tobbit are you Herlecks? undecided
Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Tobbit: 7:00am On Mar 31, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Herlecks are you Tobbit? undecided
Tobbit are you Herlecks? undecided



Do you have a real life atall.

You argued and argued all In the name of correctness till late midnight. Now, it's not even 7am and you're trying to start another.

Mehn, I have work

Good day

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Re: Witchcraft & Christianity by Kobojunkie: 7:02am On Mar 31, 2021
Tobbit:
Do you have a real life atall.
You argued and argued all In the name of correctness till late midnight. Now, it's not even 7am and you're trying to start another.
Mehn, I have work
Good day
Yes, you have work.. congrats!@ undecided

Now about my question
Kobojunkie:
Herlecks are you Tobbit? undecided
Tobbit are you Herlecks? undecided

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