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Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 9:32pm On Apr 05
LisaAnneMia:
So you agree that even the best can break the law?
The best? shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
When did God make David the role model for His people as far as the keeping of His Covenants was concerned? undecided
I should ask when and where. undecided
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by LisaAnneMia: 9:35pm On Apr 05
Kobojunkie:
The best? shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
When did God make David the role model for His people as far as the keeping of His Covenants was concerned? undecided
I didn't generalize David. I'm talking about David here. Even though God called him "a man a after my heart", didn't he still fail?
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 9:46pm On Apr 05
Kingdomtruth:
Good evening my brother/sister. Much as I'm not trying to be a judge here, but I feel it is obligatory on me as much as it is on you too, to teach everyone about the undiluted TRUTH found in the word of God. I have a couple of things to puncture in your argument, but i'll just talk about this...First of, BELIEVING in God, is the only bases in our walk with Him.
What do you mean by your "walk" with Him?undecided
Kingdomtruth:
Good Like, the sum of our work with God is anchored on Faith(believe) and never else.
Instead, the sum of our work done in obedience of God commands/rules/statutes amounts to our Faith in God.undecided
Kingdomtruth:
Good You also seem to create a difference in your argument between the Jews and Gentiles in our walk with Christ. As far as Christ is concerned, however, both the Jews and the Gentiles and every other person is one through our union with Christ Jesus...
I am afraid I don't understand what you mean here at all. According to God Himself, there is a separation between the Jews who belong to the Old Covenant, and those who belong in the New Covenant. Are you saying God is wrong in separating His People from the Sons?
Kingdomtruth:
Lastly, every other person that God had ever used both in the old and new testament, believed in God at some point before He/she was so used...You do not deserve anything from God
Again with the bloody "deserve" word. The word never factors in anywhere were God is concerned. Every person, from Adam to the apostles, who believed in God at any point in their life, had a simple choice to make... God or not, simple! There are many who make the choice for God and eventually quit and there are others who stick it out till the end. The point is God does not force Himself on anyone. He let's men choose Him.
Kingdomtruth:
what ever you get from Him is by GRACE through your FAITH in Him...
Does grace in your case refer to God's mercy and compassion? If yes, then it does not compute since
1) grace has existed since even the time of Adam, and
2)God pours out His mercy and compassion on men regularly, where even the unbelievers experience it in abundance as well.
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 9:57pm On Apr 05
LisaAnneMia:
I didn't generalize David. I'm talking about David here. Even though God called him "a man a after my heart", didn't he still fail?
You did generalize and you continue to do so by bringing up the case of David as a sort of standard where God's Law and obedience of it is concerned.

God wanted a replacement for Saul who refused to obey His commands, and He chose David, whom He, God, declared was"a man after His Heart" .i.e. willing to obey His commands.

1 Samuel 13 vs 11-13 (ERV)
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11. Samuel asked, “What have you done?”
Saul answered, “I saw the soldiers leaving me. You were not here on time, and the Philistines were gathering at Micmash.
12. I thought to myself, ‘The Philistines will come here and attack me at Gilgal, and I haven’t asked the Lord to help us yet.’ So I forced myself to offer the burnt offering.”
13. Samuel said, “You did a foolish thing. You did not obey the Lord your God. If you had done what he commanded, the Lord would have let your family rule Israel forever.
14. But now your kingdom won’t continue. The Lord was looking for a man who wants to obey him.[e] He has found that man—and the Lord has chosen him to be the new leader of his people, because you didn’t obey his command.”

15. Then Samuel got up and left Gilgal.
And this declaration was made before God made David King. God did not set David up as a standard of any sort. He simply chose David over Saul who refused to obey His commandments till the end. So I don't see the point in your continuing to hack at David's sin when it changes nothing of what God meant and the eventual choices David made. undecided
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by LisaAnneMia: 10:11pm On Apr 05
Kobojunkie:
You did generalize and you continue to do so by bringing up the case of David as a sort of standard where God's Law and obedience of it is concerned.

God wanted a replacement for Saul who refused to obey His commands, and He chose David, whom He, God, declared was"a man after His Heart" .i.e. willing to obey His commands.

And this declaration was made before God made David King. God did not set David up as a standard of any sort. He simply chose David over Saul who refused to obey His commandments till the end. So I don't see the point in your continuing to hack at David's sin when it changes nothing of what God meant and the eventual choices David made. undecided
You've answered none of my questions, and you keep deviating and deviating. Even you as a believer, you can't say you've not committed a single sin since you became a Christian (you may say you haven't sin and that's between you and God). That is why we can't obey any commandment on our own. Only through Jesus can we live a righteous life. Goodnight and thanks for the discussions. wink
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 10:22pm On Apr 05
LisaAnneMia:
You've answered none of my questions, and you keep deviating and deviating. Even you as a believer, you can't say you've not committed a single sin since you became a Christian (you may say you haven't sin and that's between you and God). That is why we can't obey any commandment on our own. Only through Jesus can we live a righteous life. Goodnight and thanks for the discussions. wink
There you go again with the silly generalizations, and the illogical conclusions! undecided

So because I have sinned in the course of trying to obey God's commandments on my own means I should quit trying to obey God's commandments? Does that even make sense as far as even obedience where your parents or any of your earthly masters are concerned? Ever tried that bullsheet logic with your parents? Were you able to get away with refusing to obey them simply because you made some errors along the way? I bet not! So, why then do you think it would make sense where God is concerned? undecided
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by livingchrist: 10:23pm On Apr 05
Kingdomtruth:


That's very true my brother. May God continue to fill you with more understanding in Jesus' name
Amen and you too
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 10:26pm On Apr 05
elated177:


You tried to summarize the Romans in your own understanding.

However, I have few questions:

What Law are you talking about?

Could you explain the bolded a little more?

Who is Christ?

What is sin?

Is the Law sin?

"there is a positive relationship between sin and the law", what does this really mean?

Evening once again...Waoh! a lot of questions I must confess. But, I'll try to do justice to them all.

what law are you talking about?= The LAW that was given to Moses on mount Sinai.

could you explain the bolded a little?= The LAW given to Moses was righteous but we before the coming of Christ were not righteous .Hence, could not satisfy the righteous demands of the LAW no matter how hard we might have tried. So, the LAW was given in order to create awareness about sin and to further exposed same, pending the coming of Christ Jesus who came with the power(holy spirit) to help us obey the LAW by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT if only we believe in Him(Christ). Without the HOLY SPIRIT, we as FLESH(sinners) couldn't obey the LAW because we lacked the power to do so.

who is Christ?= check the first mention you mentioned me, I just explained that.

what is sin?= Waoh! so, sin is not just a particular activity or thing. It can't be tight down to a particular activity as it is a way of life and it evolves and changes as we progress in time...But, by way of summary, I'd just say: it is the sum of the entire ways and life of the enemy(Satan). That's it.

Is the LAW sin?= not at all bro. The LAW was HOLY. Like I said, the LAW was to reveal sin. For without the LAW, no one would've known what sin is.


There is a positive relationship between the LAW and SIN. What does this mean?= OK, it means that as the LAW was introduced, SIN also increased and was reveal more clearly to be what it is. But now that we are freed from SIN through our union with Christ Jesus, we are also freed from the LAW and no longer serve in the old ways of the written LAW but in the newness of the SPIRIT... Meaning the whole law is now in our hearts and is all summed in LOVE...That's it brodaman. Thanks and God bless
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 10:27pm On Apr 05
livingchrist:
Amen and you too
Amen bro
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 10:54pm On Apr 05
Kobojunkie:
What do you mean by your "walk" with Him?undecided
Instead, the sum of our work done in obedience of God commands/rules/statutes amounts to our Faith in God.undecided
I am afraid I don't understand what you mean here at all. According to God Himself, there is a separation between the Jews who belong to the Old Covenant, and those who belong in the New Covenant. Are you saying God is wrong in separating His People from the Sons?
Again with the bloody "deserve" word. The word never factors in anywhere were God is concerned. Every person, from Adam to the apostles, who believed in God at any point in their life, had a simple choice to make... God or not, simple! There are many who make the choice for God and eventually quit and there are others who stick it out till the end. The point is God does not force Himself on anyone. He let's men choose Him.
Does grace in your case refer to God's mercy and compassion? If yes, then it does not compute since
1) grace has existed since even the time of Adam, and
2)God pours out His mercy and compassion on men regularly, where even the unbelievers experience it in abundance as well.

Good evening my brother/sister. so, I do not agree with your first paragraph. According to the word of God, you do not have to do anything for you to be saved. Obeying His commandments, keeping His rules and statues notwithstanding. You only need to hear the gospel and believe it it, then, He(Christ) will send the HOLY SPIRIT, which will give you the power to then obey and keep His commandments and statues the right way. As anything you do before receiving the SPIRIT by FAITH, will amount to nothing...The scripture says: God is HOLY, and whoever that comes to Him must also be HOLY...However, note that: it is the spirit of God only that makes you HOLY.

Answering your second paragraph.
Yes, there used to be the JEWS and the GENTILES. But, that was before the coming of Christ Jesus. After Christ Jesus was revealed, both the JEWS and GENTILES and everyone else are all ONE in union with Christ. so that: whether JEW or GENTILE, it is by FAITH in Christ that we are all saved. All of us are God's sons and daughters now through Christ Jesus.

Again with the bloody "deserve" word. The word never factors in anywhere were God is concerned. Every person, from Adam to the apostles, who believed in God at any point in their life, had a simple choice to make... God or not, simple! There are many who make the choice for God and eventually quit and there are others who stick it out till the end. The point is God does not force Himself on anyone. He let's men choose Him.

Yes, I agree with this bro/sis.

Does grace in your case refer to God's mercy and compassion? If yes, then it does not compute since
1) grace has existed since even the time of Adam, and
2)God pours out His mercy and compassion on men regularly, where even the unbelievers experience it in abundance as well. [/quote]

No. GRACE is defined as devine empowerment and ability to do what hitherto we could not do...And this GRACE is ingrained in the HOLY SPIRIT... Thanks a lot bro/sis. God bless
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Thattallgirl(f): 11:22pm On Apr 05
LisaAnneMia:
You've answered none of my questions, and you keep deviating and deviating. Even you as a believer, you can't say you've not committed a single sin since you became a Christian (you may say you haven't sin and that's between you and God). That is why we can't obey any commandment on our own. Only through Jesus can we live a righteous life. Goodnight and thanks for the discussions. wink
Lol this girl you have time honestly. People like him focus on keeping the commandments on their own. They focus on themselves in keeping all that Jesus said. They end up looking to themselves and not Jesus. They believe Jesus is not all powerful to guide them and to be their righteousness.
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 11:25pm On Apr 05
Kingdomtruth:
Good evening my brother/sister. so, I do not agree with your first paragraph. According to the word of God, you do not have to do anything for you to be saved. Obeying His commandments, keeping His rules and statues notwithstanding. You only need to hear the gospel and believe it it, then, He(Christ) will send the HOLY SPIRIT, which will give you the power to then obey and keep His commandments and statues the right way. As anything you do before receiving the SPIRIT by FAITH, will amount to nothing...The scripture says: God is HOLY, and whoever that comes to Him must also be HOLY...However, note that: it is the spirit of God only that makes you HOLY.
I don't know what bible you have there but according to Jesus Christ, you indeed have to do something to be saved. According to Jesus Christ, in order to be saved from Death, and receive eternal life(grace), He stipulates that you obey His commandments .i.e. believe He is who He says He is, be baptized, and eat communion.See the passages below from the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ

1. The passage below say all those who believe will receive eternal life in place of Death(perish/condemnation).

John 3 vs 16-21 (ERV)
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16. “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
20. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
21. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

2. In the passage below, Jesus Christ goes on to say that one much eat His flesh and eat His blood in order to obtain eternal life.

John 6 vs 47- 59 (ESV)
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47. “I can assure you that anyone who believes has eternal life.
48. I am the bread that gives life.
49. Your ancestors ate the manna God gave them in the desert, but it didn’t keep them from dying
50. Here is the bread that comes down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will never die.
51. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my body. I will give my body so that the people in the world can have life.”
52. Then the Jews began to argue among themselves. They said, “How can this man give us his body to eat?”
53. Jesus said, “Believe me when I say that you must eat the body of the Son of Man, and you must drink his blood. If you don’t do this, you have no real life.
54. Those who eat my body and drink my blood have eternal life. I will raise them up on the last day.
55. My body is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56. Those who eat my body and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.
57. “The Father sent me. He lives, and I live because of him. So everyone who eats me will live because of me.
58. I am not like the bread that your ancestors ate. They ate that bread, but they still died. I am the bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59. Jesus said all this while he was teaching in the synagogue in the city of Capernaum.
3) In the passage below, Jesus Christ commands that those who believe and are baptized are those who are saved

Mark 16 vs 15-18 (ERV)
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15. He said to them, “Go everywhere in the world. Tell the Good News to everyone.
16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. But those who do not believe will be judged guilty.
17. And the people who believe will be able to do these things as proof: They will use my name to force demons out of people. They will speak in languages they never learned.
18. If they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be hurt. They will lay their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
Those who do not do as Jesus Christ commands are not saved from Death and instead remain condemned to die, as explained in John 3 vs 16 -21 above.

God lives inside of those who are holy but holiness requires works on the part of the one who wants to become Holy...and that work are done in obedience of God's every commandment, which according to Jesus Christ is the only way to becoming worthy of recieving His Spirit.
Kingdomtruth:
Answering your second paragraph.
Yes, there used to be the JEWS and the GENTILES. But, that was before the coming of Christ Jesus. After Christ Jesus was revealed, both the JEWS and GENTILES and everyone else are all ONE in union with Christ. so that: whether JEW or GENTILE, it is by FAITH in Christ that we are all saved. All of us are God's sons and daughters now through Christ Jesus.
Wrong! Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of Israel, and not for all of Israel. Even Jesus Christ told you that He has another flock which He tends and that flock is the flock that is the Jews of the Old Covenant. That is an entirely different topic but the point is. God has two separate flocks(the People of Israel, and the Son of God).
Kingdomtruth:
Yes, I agree with this bro/sis.
undecided
Kingdomtruth:
No. GRACE is defined as devine empowerment and ability to do what hitherto we could not do...And this GRACE is ingrained in the HOLY SPIRIT...
So many different meanings given to the word that in John simply refers to the grace we reserve from Death which is eternal life. undecided
Anyways, so Grace for you is the power that is in the Spirit of God? And only those who continue to accept and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ can obtain the Holy Spirit, according to Jesus Christ(see passage below).

John 14 vs 23-31
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23. Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24. But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me.
25. “I have told you all these things while I am with you.
26. But the Helper will teach you everything and cause you to remember all that I told you. This Helper is the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name.
27. “I leave you peace. It is my own peace I give you. I give you peace in a different way than the world does. So don’t be troubled. Don’t be afraid.
28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am leaving, but I will come back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be happy that I am going back to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.
29. I have told you this now, before it happens. Then when it happens, you will believe.
30. “I will not talk with you much longer. The ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me.
31. But the world must know that I love the Father. So I do exactly what the Father told me to do.“Come now, let’s go.”
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 11:30pm On Apr 05
Thattallgirl:
Lol this girl you have time honestly. People like him focus on keeping the commandments on their own. They focus on themselves in keeping all that Jesus said. They end up looking to themselves and not Jesus. They believe Jesus is not all-powerful to guide them and to be their righteousness.
Actually you have it logically twisted there. By obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ, you in fact focus your trust in Him, and His truth, letting Jesus Christ guide you through to God Himself and the carrying out of God's Will, just as the prophets announced it should be.

Ezekiel 36 vs 24-30 (ESV)
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24. “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land.
25. Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.
26. I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.
27. I will put my Spirit inside you[c] and change you so that you will obey my laws. You will carefully obey my commands.
28. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.
29. Also, I will save you and keep you from becoming unclean. I will command the grain to grow. I will not bring a famine against you.
30. I will give you large crops of fruit from your trees and the harvest from your fields so that you will never again feel the shame of being hungry in a foreign country.
31. You will remember the bad things you did. You will remember that those things were not good. Then you will hate yourselves because of your sins and the terrible things you did.”
God wants you to obey His commandments and since God cannot inhabit unholy man, by submitting to obeying the teachings of Jesus Christ, you free yourself from slavery to sin(disobedience) becoming instead the obedience structure God then is able to work with... Son of God. undecided

Everyone who believes is able to become a son of God but only those who accept and obey His teachings will indeed become Sons of God. undecided

His very disciples and followers had to submit in obedience to His teachings...so why not you? Can one truly be called a "faithful and good" servant when one refuses to obeying the commandments/teachings of the one who is Master? undecided
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by LisaAnneMia: 11:34pm On Apr 05
Thattallgirl:
Lol this girl you have time honestly. People like him focus on keeping the commandments on their own. They focus on themselves in keeping all that Jesus said. They end up looking to themselves and not Jesus. They believe Jesus is not all powerful to guide them and to be their righteousness.
cheesy I know right! Thank God Romans 5:17 says righteousness is a gift. Watch how he'll turn it again cheesy

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Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Thattallgirl(f): 11:43pm On Apr 05
LisaAnneMia:
cheesy I know right! Thank God Romans 5:17 says righteousness is a gift. Watch how he'll turn it again cheesy
smiley smiley Or what will he and others like him say about Hebrews 10:16-17. Jesus Himself will write His laws on our hearts and He'll remember our sins no more. It's only through Him and Him alone.

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Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 11:48pm On Apr 05
Kobojunkie:
I don't know what bible you have there but according to Jesus Christ, you indeed have to do something to be saved. According to Jesus Christ, in order to be saved from Death, and receive eternal life(grace), He stipulates that you obey His commandments .i.e. believe He is who He says He is, be baptized, and eat communion.See the passages below from the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ

1. The passage below say all those who believe will receive eternal life in place of Death(perish/condemnation).

2. In the passage below, Jesus Christ goes on to say that one much eat His flesh and eat His blood in order to obtain eternal life.

3) In the passage below, Jesus Christ commands that those who believe and are baptized are those who are saved
Those who do not do as Jesus Christ commands are not saved from Death and instead remain condemned to die, as explained in John 3 vs 16 -21 above.

God lives inside of those who are holy but holiness requires works on the part of the one who wants to become Holy...and that work are done in obedience of God's every commandment, which according to Jesus Christ is the only way to becoming worthy of recieving His Spirit.
Wrong! Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of Israel, and not for all of Israel. Even Jesus Christ told you that He has another flock which He tends and that flock is the flock that is the Jews of the Old Covenant. That is an entirely different topic but the point is. God has two separate flocks(the People of Israel, and the Son of God).
undecided
So many different meanings given to the word that in John simply refers to the grace we reserve from Death which is eternal life. undecided
Anyways, so Grace for you is the power that is in the Spirit of God? And only those who continue to accept and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ can obtain the Holy Spirit, according to Jesus Christ(see passage below).

like I've always maintained here, that the reason we engage ourselves in the word is to understanding better about the FAITH we profess and eventually grow. However, since you firmly believe that what you wrote up there is the truth regarding the gospel, then, I surrender and respect your VIEW...Praying for God to enlight us more with His understanding.Thanks a lot bro/sis....God bless us all
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 11:51pm On Apr 05
Kingdomtruth:
like I've always maintained here, that the reason we engage ourselves in the word is to understanding better about the FAITH we profess and eventually grow. However, since you firmly believe that what you wrote up there is the truth regarding the gospel, then, I surrender and respect your VIEW...Praying for God to enlight us more with His understanding.Thanks a lot bro/sis....God bless us all
If you feel I am mistaken, you are free to show me, from the Gospel as taught by Jesus Christ, where you believe I have it wrong! undecided
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by LisaAnneMia: 11:57pm On Apr 05
Thattallgirl:
smiley smiley Or what will he and others like him say about Hebrews 10:16-17. Jesus Himself will write His laws on our hearts and He'll remember our sins no more. It's only through Him and Him alone.
Let's just hold on to 1 John 4:17 - As He is, so are we in this world. As Jesus is righteous, so are we in this world. As Jesus has everything, so do we in this world. Amazing grace embarassed

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Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Thattallgirl(f): 12:01am On Apr 06
LisaAnneMia:
Let's just hold on to 1 John 4:17 - As He is, so are we in this world. As Jesus is righteous, so are we in this world. As Jesus has everything, so do we in this world. Amazing grace embarassed
wink wink
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Dtruthspeaker: 12:04am On Apr 06
Kingdomtruth:

4) To live in righteousness (Christ) is to be free from sin and the LAW. To live in sin(Satan) is to be a slave of sin and the LAW...

THE REASON FOR THE LAW.

The LAW was given in order to reveal and expose what sin is. It is important to know that: before the LAW was given, no one knew what sin was. Everyone kept on sinning and living a sinful life IGNORANTLY before the LAW. Everyone saw sin as a norm.

It is a horrible and a disgraceful thing when people do not stay in their place.

For would you go to a barber for appendicitis? Or would you go to a plumber to fix your car? Or would you call a farmer when the Police take you to Court?

Therefore, what you wrote is Wrong for it is Only A Levite or Law'er/Lawyer who can Truly give you the True interpretation of Matters of Law

Thus, what you wrote is a Legal presentation as given by a Farmer!

For if you were a Law'er, you would have known that the Purpose of The Law is Many To Wit-

1) To Separate Rightness and Goodness from wickedness and wrongness!

2) To Direct and Instruct the Doing of Righteousness and Goodness while preventing and condemning the doing of wickedness

3) To ensure and guarantee that all who obey the Law are Safe from Prosecution, Guilt, Condemnation and Punishment!

Just to mention a few Purposes!
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 12:19am On Apr 06
Kobojunkie:
If you feel I am mistaken, you are free to show me, from the Gospel as taught by Jesus Christ, where you believe I have it wrong! undecided

I really do differ with you in couple of areas to be honest. But, I just didn't want it to look like we are competing or arguing to prove who's right or wrong. I feel the word should be our guide as partners in the propagation of the gospel. That way, we'll learn and grow.

I differ with you in the area where you express that one has to obey God's commandments, rules and statutes first before he could be saved. But, I understand from the scripture that we were all conceived in sin and have the nature of sin in us.Hence, even though we may want to obey God's commandments, rules and States, we naturally cannot. Because those commandments are Holy by their nature. But we however, are not. For that reason, we need a higher power to help us obey them. And that power is found only in the HOLY SPIRIT. But how can we get the HOLY SPIRIT?. We can only get it by FAITH(BELIEVE) in Christ in whom the promise of the SPIRIT is found. Only in Him can we find the HOLY SPIRIT to help us obey all the commandments that we cannot obey own our own I.e by our HUMAN STRENGTH. Because trying to obey the commandments without FAITH, amounts to us using our human strength/power. Thanks, I hope this sinks.
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Dtruthspeaker: 12:22am On Apr 06
LisaAnneMia:
Let's just hold on to 1 John 4:17 - As He is, so are we in this world. As Jesus is righteous, so are we in this world. As Jesus has everything, so do we in this world. Amazing grace embarassed

Righteousness, like many Personal Rights/Righteousness is A Personal Asset, IT IS NOT TRANSFERABLE, Just as Buhari, Ministers, your parents working in a Company, doctors, law'ers can not transfer their personal right of "President", Minister, employee, doctorship or lawership to another person!

You must go through the process of earning your own Personal Asset!

Thus, No one is righteous until they do righteousness.
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Dtruthspeaker: 12:37am On Apr 06
SEE YOUR TWISTED CONNECTIONS? FIRST YOU SAY,
Kobojunkie:

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God offers man plans/contracts... it has been His way since He made man, and it remains His way. It is up to the individual to decide if the plan/Contract/Covenant works for Him - The default being Death anyways. undecided...

YET, AFTER THAT, YOU SAY,

Kobojunkie:

First of all, you being of gentile roots were never under Old Covenant Law that you should pretend you were somehow under it at any point in time.

WHY WOULD YOUR CIRCUITS, RELAYS, IC'S AND CIRCUIT BOARDS NOT SHUT OUT AND BURN WHEN YOU PUT NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE WIRES ON THE SAME LINE?

TRUTH IS CONSISTENT AND UND UNCHANGING AND CERTAINLY, IT DOES NOT SPEAK CONFUSIONS AND CONTRADICTIONS!
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 12:40am On Apr 06
Dtruthspeaker:


It is a horrible and a disgraceful thing when people do not stay in their place.

For would you go to a barber for appendicitis? Or would you go to a plumber to fix your car? Or would you call a farmer when the Police take you to Court?

Therefore, what you wrote is Wrong for it is Only A Levite or Law'er/Lawyer who can Truly give you the True interpretation of Matters of Law

Thus, what you wrote is a Legal presentation as given by a Farmer!

For if you were a Law'er, you would have known that the Purpose of The Law is Many To Wit-

1) To Separate Rightness and Goodness from wickedness and wrongness!

2) To Direct and Instruct the Doing of Righteousness and Goodness while preventing and condemning the doing of wickedness

3) To ensure and guarantee that all who obey the Law are Safe from Prosecution, Guilt, Condemnation and Punishment!

Just to mention a few Purposes!

Good morning bro. I think you missed my point actually. No one is saying that the LAW does not separate the righteous from the sinners. And no one ever said the LAW was never to guide and instruct those who are to walk with God. Neither was that my point of emphasis...My point actually was that: Because the LAW is HOLY, but on the flip side, we were never HOLY before Christ came. The scripture says: in sin were we conceived and that the whole world was under sin including you and I. Hence, no matter how we might have tried to obey the LAW, we could not because we lacked the power to do so. However, only through our union with Christ Jesus can we be able to satisfy the righteous demands of the LAW. So since the LAW was given 430 years before Christ came in whom we have the power to obey the LAW. It then means that the LAW was in place to reveal what sin is to us pending the coming of Christ who will now give us the higher power(HOLY SPIRIT) to help conquer sin in us so that we can effortlessly obey the LAW by GRACE in Christ Jesus. That's it bro. Just hope you do understand my point now...Thanks
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kobojunkie: 12:47am On Apr 06
Kingdomtruth:
I really do differ with you in couple of areas to be honest. But, I just didn't want it to look like we are competing or arguing to prove who's right or wrong. I feel the word should be our guide as partners in the propagation of the gospel. That way, we'll learn and grow.

I differ with you in the area where you express that one has to obey God's commandments, rules and statutes first before he could be saved.
Remember who God said Jesus Christ is....

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 (ERV)
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31. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32. not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Jesus Christ is the New Covenant promised by God... a New Law complete with blessings, curses, commandments, statutes, rules, promises, seal... the whole shebang, only according to Him, He offers a yoke that is easy and a burden that is light...

Matthew 11 vs 27-30 (ESV)
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27. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

He is a contract different from the Old Contract, but a New Contract nonetheless - Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the Law that is He and that Law is the Kingdom of God. So anyone who comes to Him ought to come willing and ready to obey His commandments, just as Jesus Christ repeats over and over that anyone worthy of Him will do. undecided

So, the Law, Jesus Christ, is offered by Jesus Christ Himself to all those who are weary and heavy-laden. But only those who will obey His commandment to believe will become a part of it. As we read from the verses taken from the teachings of Jesus Christ in a previous post, to believe means one needs to believe Jesus Christ is who He says He is, be baptized, eat of His body, and drink of His blood... the blood of the agreement. Essentially what those passages suggest to us is that anyone who does not do what is stipulated there(rules)will not be saved...i.e. will not receive eternal life. So, what of this is hard to accept or understand? undecided

Or do you know of any other way to be saved that is not according to the Truth of Jesus Christ as taken from His teachings? undecided
Kingdomtruth:
But, I understand from the scripture that we were all conceived in sin and have the nature of sin in us.Hence, even though we may want to obey God's commandments, rules and States, we naturally cannot. Because those commandments are Holy by their nature.But we however, are not. For that reason, we need a higher power to help us obey them.
Abel was born to Adam, the one who sinned, yet Abel was able to obey God's commandment and God declared Him righteous hence. Abraham was an idol worshipper before he chose to follow God instead. Abraham obeyed God's commandments and statutes and was declared righteous by God as a result. So, if you have the nature of sin, what did men like Abel, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Enoch, etc. have? A God nature? Were they born of God instead of from man like you? Where they virgin births? undecided
The men were declared holy by God for obeying His very commandments, so why are you unable to do what they did when they were humans just like you?undecided
What higher power was in Abel when he chose to obey God? What higher power was inside of Noah when, out of every man in his world, he chose to walk with God i.e. trust and obey God's every command/statutes and rules, even to the point of stupid? undecided
Kingdomtruth:
And that power is found only in the HOLY SPIRIT. But how can we get the HOLY SPIRIT?. We can only get it by FAITH(BELIEVE) in Christ in whom the promise of the SPIRIT is found. Only in Him can we find the HOLY SPIRIT to help us obey all the commandments that we cannot obey own our own I.e by our HUMAN STRENGTH. Because trying to obey the commandments without FAITH, amounts to us using our human strength/power. Thanks, I hope this sinks.
According to Jesus Christ, the kind of faith He wants from you instead is that you accept(trust) and obey His teachings, for that is the only way He will abide in you, to begin with. undecided

John 15 vs 1-11(ESV)
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1. “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8. By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
9. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.
10. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
11. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.
Note there Jesus Christ stipulates that you first need to abide in Him before He can abide in you, and then in vs 10, He explains to you what it means for you to abide in Him. So, if Jesus Christ declares that He will not live inside of you if you do not obey His commandments, don't you see that you have what is called a conundrum going on there? undecided
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Dtruthspeaker: 12:56am On Apr 06
Kingdomtruth:

...My point actually was that: Because the LAW is HOLY, ..Hence, no matter how we might have tried to obey the LAW, we could not because we lacked the power to do so..

Good morning, Brother!

The bolded is what I knew would be the end of your post, for the Truth is No Man is TRYING to Obey The Law and they do have the power to but they refuse to.

Eg How many times has God said do not trust in riches or money, yet look at men, do they not labour to be rich and work for money?

God says stick to your wages, yet do they not Steal, saying "I no go slack" even before they are tempted?

My contribution is that Christ came to Re-emphasize The Law Laying before us what we choose to do vs. what The Law has instructed and recommended we ought to do!

It is this Teaching which makes Him "The Way"!

Kingdomtruth:

It then means that the LAW was in place to reveal what sin is to us pending the coming of Christ who will now give us the higher power(HOLY SPIRIT) to help conquer sin in us so that we can effortlessly obey the LAW by GRACE in Christ Jesus.

And naturally you will conclude here which is the Wrong Way.

It is the other way round, it is by Obeying The Law that we shall be helped to Conquer Sin!

I do verily Personally attest to the Truth of this, and Iie not.

Which is why it is Written "Happy is he that keepeth The Law"
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 1:18am On Apr 06
Dtruthspeaker:


Good morning, Brother!

The bolded is what I knew would be the end of your post, for the Truth is No Man is TRYING to Obey The Law and they do have the power to but they refuse to.

Eg How many times has God said do not trust in riches or money, yet look at men, do they not labour to be rich and work for money?

God says stick to your wages, yet do they not Steal, saying "I no go slack" even before they are tempted?

My contribution is that Christ came to Re-emphasize The Law Laying before us what we choose to do vs. what The Law has instructed and recommended we ought to do!

It is this Teaching which makes Him "The Way"!


Hmmm! bro, I think you need to understand that there were 613 LAWS to obey. Also understand the position of God concerning those LAWS. The scripture in Galatians says: whoever fails to keep all the LAWS(613 LAWS) and obey them always is under God's curse. Meaning a failure to keep and obey 1 out of the said 613 LAWs, automatically amounts to a failure in all of them. So, then, who do you think had the power as FLESH(Sinners) that they were at that time to obey all. Who do you think had the power to really obey those LAWS always bro? Be sincere to your self please...Remember also that: the FLESH which is the evil power controlling every human being as flesh and blood would not have allowed anyone to obey the LAW, because that was his power to kill those under the LAW...Lastly, I'd like you to think this through: why do you think Christ came? if we could obey the LAW on our own, then, there was no point Him coming to the point of dieing to help us out with the LAW...Please get this bro, no one can be able to obey all the LAWs on his own without the GRACE that is found in Christ Jesus alone...And that GRACE comes to us only by FAITH and nothing else. Thanks
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Dtruthspeaker: 2:02am On Apr 06
Kingdomtruth:


Hmmm! bro, I think you need to understand that there were 613 LAWS to obey.

I know it is said "A long trip always begins with step 1 and it is tiny drops of rain that fills a tank!

Little steps is all a baby used to walk!

I do not claim to have kept all 613 but I do Truly say I have not Strove with any man for no just cause neither do I wilfully or uncaringly harm a man nor deprive him of his due.

Which is why I always restate this pronouncement of Law

"The Tenets of The Law are To Live Honestly, To Harm No One and To Give to Each his Due!"

Kingdomtruth:

The scripture in Galatians says: whoever fails to keep all the LAWS(613 LAWS) and obey them always is under God's curse. Meaning a failure to keep and obey 1 out of the said 613 LAWs,

It is not Galatians that Said So but The Law'ers
(The Levites) starting at Deuteronomy 27:14-26 (Please take out time to examine the Curses).

Then the Next Curses are Specific to Israel because they were Given a Gift of God's Righteous Laws, Deuteronomy 28:15-68.

Kingdomtruth:

Who do you think had the power to really obey those LAWS always bro? Be sincere to your self please...Remember also that: the FLESH which is the evil power controlling every human being as flesh and blood would not have allowed anyone to obey the LAW, because that was his power to kill those under the LAW...

That is why I said Try It, Keep The Law First and see if you won't develop a taste for keeping The Law thereby destroying the power of the flesh!

Kingdomtruth:

.Lastly, I'd like you to think this through: why do you think Christ came? if we could obey the LAW on our own, then, there was no point Him coming to the point of dieing to help us out with the LAW...

Which of us knew The Law to Obey it? No, not One, Even the people who were given The Law fled from it and Obeyed it not, s o how could any man obey The Law, which has practically disappeared?

That's why Christ Came!

He Brought it back, and re-empowered it and taught us that That The Law is Waiting for Us.

Which is why ALL HIS TEACHINGS ARE THE VERY TEACHINGS OF THE LAW IF IT COULD HAVE SPOKEN.

BUT CHRIST THEREFORE VOICED OUT THE LAW.

WHICH IS WHY I ALWAYS CHALLENGE ANYONE, CAN THEY FIND A TEACHING OF CHRIST'S WHICH IS NOT THE LAW?

ALL HIS TEACHINGS HAVE THEIR ROOT AND STEM AND BRANCHES IN THE LAW!

Kingdomtruth:

Please get this bro, no one can be able to obey all the LAWs on his own without the GRACE that is found in Christ Jesus alone...And that GRACE comes to us only by FAITH and nothing else. Thanks

As I said pay Obey The Law First in Truth and See if you would not change!

I do challenge you to prove me Wrong!

Obey The Law First, I Guarantee you, that you would see that the power the flesh has over you would begin to die if you Truly want it to die!
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by elated177: 9:35am On Apr 06
what law are you talking about?

Kingdomtruth:


= The LAW that was given to Moses on mount Sinai.

Do you mean the Ten Commandments? Why don't you want to use the Ten Commandments?

could you explain the bolded a little?

Kingdomtruth:



= The LAW given to Moses was righteous but we before the coming of Christ were not righteous .Hence, could not satisfy the righteous demands of the LAW no matter how hard we might have tried. So, the LAW was given in order to create awareness about sin and to further exposed same, pending the coming of Christ Jesus who came with the power(holy spirit) to help us obey the LAW by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT if only we believe in Him(Christ). Without the HOLY SPIRIT, we as FLESH(sinners) couldn't obey the LAW because we lacked the power to do so.

It would seem you have said something, but the opposite is the case. You only ended up dancing around what was asked of you. This is what happens when people just lift the words of the Scripture and jumble them up without actually understanding what they are trying to relate. In the same breath you said the Law ended immediately it revealed what sin was and that it had been put in our hearts? Which is it?

what is sin?
Kingdomtruth:


= Waoh! so, sin is not just a particular activity or thing. It can't be tight down to a particular activity as it is a way of life and it evolves and changes as we progress in time...But, by way of summary, I'd just say: it is the sum of the entire ways and life of the enemy(Satan). That's it.

You failed the give the Scriptural definition of sin. Sin has been defined in the Scripture. Are you saying that sin is not an activity? Are you saying that an act which was sin today may not be sin tomorrow?


Is the LAW sin?
Kingdomtruth:


= not at all bro. The LAW was HOLY. Like I said, the LAW was to reveal sin. For without the LAW, no one would've known what sin is.

In your op, an unwary seeker would extrapolate a different view.


"There is a positive relationship between the LAW and SIN." What does this mean?
Kingdomtruth:


= OK, it means that as the LAW was introduced, SIN also increased and was reveal more clearly to be what it is. But now that we are freed from SIN through our union with Christ Jesus, we are also freed from the LAW and no longer serve in the old ways of the written LAW but in the newness of the SPIRIT... Meaning the whole law is now in our hearts and is all summed in LOVE...That's it brodaman. Thanks and God bless

Freed from the Law? Again, you mean the Ten Commandments, right?

How can you be freed from the Law and still have the Law in your heart?

What are the "old ways of the written Law"?
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 1:19pm On Apr 06
elated177:


Do you mean the Ten Commandments? Why don't you want to use the Ten Commandments?




It would seem you have said something, but the opposite is the case. You only ended up dancing around what was asked of you. This is what happens when people just lift the words of the Scripture and jumble them up without actually understanding what they are trying to relate. In the same breath you said the Law ended immediately it revealed what sin was and that it had been put in our hearts? Which is it?



You failed the give the Scriptural definition of sin. Sin has been defined in the Scripture. Are you saying that sin is not an activity? Are you saying that an act which was sin today may not be sin tomorrow?



In your op, an unwary seeker would extrapolate a different view.



Freed from the Law? Again, you mean the Ten Commandments, right?

How can you be freed from the Law and still have the Law in your heart?

What are the "old ways of the written Law"?



Do you mean the Ten Commandments? Why don't you want to use the Ten Commandments?= Smiles! they are not just ten(10) my brother. They are actually 613. And all the 613 laws together are called the law of Moses.


It would seem you have said something, but the opposite is the case. You only ended up dancing around what was asked of you. This is what happens when people just lift the words of the Scripture and jumble them up without actually understanding what they are trying to relate. In the same breath you said the Law ended immediately it revealed what sin was and that it had been put in our hearts? Which is it?

smiles! please you need to understand that everything contained in the law that was given to Moses is right in the HOLY SPIRIT we receive through Christ. The reason why the written aspect of the LAW was set aside is that; sin, is a lifestyle not a particular activity. By that, it means that: it evolves and changes with time, where as the written LAW does not change to accommodate modern reality with respect to sin. Hence, the need to sum all the written LAWS in one person called the HOLY SPIRIT. Because, the HOLY SPIRIT changes as much as sin does in order to reveal to you today, what sin constitute in addition to what it was before Christ came...So, you can see that the HOLY SPIRIT offers a better package, because it takes care of sin as it is today and also changes as sin changes, thereby, opposing the written LAW which does not so change, but only tells you what sin was before christ came.


You failed the give the Scriptural definition of sin. Sin has been defined in the Scripture. Are you saying that sin is not an activity? Are you saying that an act which was sin today may not be sin tomorrow?

please try to understand my point before you comment bro. check the comment you quoted you would see that: i didn't say sin was not an activity, I only said it was not a particular activity alone, as you cannot tie it to a particular activity or a group of activities. Meaning, it changes as we progress in time. There are so many things that constitute sin today that were never known years back. so that's it

Freed from the Law? Again, you mean the Ten Commandments, right?= I just explained this up there. We are actually freed from the written document given to Moses, that was what helped us to know what sin was, because then, Christ had not come with the HOLY SPIRIT. Now that Christ is here with the HOLY SPIRIT, the written document ended its usefulness and everything is now in our hearts by the HOLY SPIRIT.

How can you be freed from the Law and still have the Law in your heart?

What are the "old ways of the written Law"?

All these other two(2) questions are linked to the one above. So check the explanation given to the above question, it rightly suffice here. Thanks and God bless you
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth: 2:24pm On Apr 06
Dtruthspeaker:


I know it is said "A long trip always begins with step 1 and it is tiny drops of rain that fills a tank!

Little steps is all a baby used to walk!

I do not claim to have kept all 613 but I do Truly say I have not Strove with any man for no just cause neither do I wilfully or uncaringly harm a man nor deprive him of his due.

Which is why I always restate this pronouncement of Law

"The Tenets of The Law are To Live Honestly, To Harm No One and To Give to Each this Due!"


It is not Galatians that Said So but The Law'ers
(The Levitra) starting at Deuteronomy 27:14-26 (Please take out time to examine the Curses).

Then the Next Curses are Specific to Israel because they were Given to Gift of God's Righteous Laws, Deuteronomy 28:15-68.



That is why I said Try It, Keep The Law First and see if you won't develop a taste for keeping The Law thereby destroying the power of the flesh!



Which of us knew The Law to Obey it? No, not One, Even the people who were given The Law fled from it and Obeyed it not, s o how could any man obey The Law, which has practically disappeared?

That's why Christ Came!

He Brought it back, and re-empowered it and taught us that That The Law is Waiting for Us.

Which is why ALL HIS TEACHINGS ARE THE VERY TEACHINGS OF THE LAW IF IT COULD HAVE SPOKEN.

BUT CHRIST THEREFORE VOICED OUT THE LAW.

WHICH IS WHY I ALWAYS CHALLENGE ANYONE, CAN THEY FIND A TEACHING OF CHRIST'S WHICH IS NOT THE LAW?

ALL HIS TEACJINGS HAVE THEIR ROOT AND STEM AND BRANCHES IN THE LAW!



As I said pay Obey The Law First in Truth and See if you would not change!

I do challenge you to prove me Wrong!

Obey The Law First, I Guarantee you, that you would see that the power the flesh has over you would begin to die if you Truly want it to die!

Good afternoon.
I really do salute your drive and hunger for the truth that epitomizes the gospel of Christ. However, I enjoin you to please, carefully take note of my following comments as regards the issues you've raised. Saying this however, is not to imply that I'm better than anyone. please don't get it twisted; my desire is that: together with you and everyone else, we shall all know the truth and only the truth about the gospel, for only then, can we be sure of our salvation. Thanks.

I do not claim to have kept all 613 but I do Truly say I have not Strove with any man for no just cause neither do I wilfully or uncaringly harm a man nor deprive him of his due.

This is exactly my point in the opposite. You really do have to understand very deeply what this 'FLESH' is all about my friend. This FLESH as contained in the bible is the same evil power we inherited from our first ancestor Adam. He in turn, got it from the serpent(devil) at the Garden of Eden when he disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit. This FLESH is the same thing as the sin ruling our lives as individuals today. And there is a FACE to what you know as sin today. That FACE/ MAN behind every activity that you know as sin today is the DEVIL. Mind you, you can never know everything about sin, as it is not a particular activity. Rather, it is a way of life (a LIFESTYLE). I really can't do much to expose the FLESH here in this BRIEF comment. Please visit my profile and see more about it there. So, I hope you can now understand what I meant, when I said you could not be able to obey the LAW 100% and be faithful by your human effort without the help of the HOLY SPIRIT... The HOLY SPIRIT, is the power you'll receive through your union with Christ Jesus that will help you to conquer/defeat this evil power called FLESH in you. Reason why I said: you can't do it own your own except by GRACE which is found only in Christ Jesus.

It is not Galatians that Said So but The Law'ers
(The Levitra) starting at Deuteronomy 27:14-26 (Please take out time to examine the Curses).

Please, flip your bible open to Galatians 3:10. You'll see it there. That's the scripture I actually quoted to you.


That's why Christ Came!

He Brought it back, and re-empowered it and taught us that That The Law is Waiting for Us.

The actual reason why Christ came was to help us deal with this FLESH that I just told you about. He came to help us destroy it(FLESH) in the body and in our lives as a whole, so that: we can become free from the FLESH in order to be able to bear good fruit for God in the right way we should. Remember that: our righteousness according to the scripture is like a filthy rag before God. And any act of righteousness we try to do before coming to Christ, is called self righteousness(our type of righteousness) which God describes as a filthy rag before Him...True righteousness my friend(the God type of righteousness) is only found in Christ Jesus by GRACE...Thanks and do have a great afternoon.
Re: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Dtruthspeaker: 4:21pm On Apr 06
Kingdomtruth:

. Mind you, you can never know everything about sin, as it is not a particular activity. Rather, it is a way of life (a LIFESTYLE). I really can't do much to expose the FLESH here in this BRIEF comment. Please visit my profile and see more about it there. So, I hope you can now understand what I meant, when I said you could not be able to obey the LAW 100% and be faithful by your human effort without the help of the HOLY SPIRIT... The HOLY SPIRIT, is the power you'll receive through your union with Christ Jesus that will help you to conquer/defeat this evil power called FLESH in you. Reason why I said: you can't do it own your own except by GRACE which is found only in Christ Jesus.

Good afternoon brother. I verily understand the wicked power of the flesh and I was once under it, but I broke away from it because I laid the Law before my eyes (as David recommended) and acted on it in defiance of how I felt about it.

And viola, one day, sin and and all manners of sin became a great annoyance unto me and I began to hate all the peoples of this world for I saw and see all the wickedness that they do, Exactly as it Written "Love not the world".

And I in Truth Hated the world which I accomplished through the Keeping of The Law before my eyes as David said.

And this song was also my fuel!

"To keep Your lovely face
Ever before my eyes
This is my prayer
Make it my strong desire
That in my secret heart
No other love competes
No rival throne survives
And I serve only You"

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