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Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 2:36pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:

You keep missing the point over and over and have made no concrete counterargument. As I said, the religious concept of God is simply an overly anthropomorphized form of whatever caused the universe to exist.
You keep committing a fallacy of false equivalence. Even if we come to fully know how the universe works, it still doesn't rule out a God. It is like saying because I know the inner workings of a computer, it thus had no maker.
You seem to be the person missing the point.

After all your point, you still commit “God Of the gaps”. No evidence still.

You said I committed fallacy of faulty equivalence and then immediately committed same by comparing God to a working computer. This is the height of faulty equivalence grin

Because a working computer has a maker is not evidence for a God, it’s only an evidence for the maker of the computer not God. A working computer works differently from the universe.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by hiddendude: 2:37pm On Apr 07
FatherOfJesus:
You seem to be the person
Using the point.

After all your point, you still commit “God Of the gaps”. No evidence still.

Your said I committed fallacy of faulty equivalence and the immediately committed same by comparing God to a working computer. This is the height of faulty equivalence grin

Because a working computer has a maker is not evidence for the God. A working computer works differently from the universe.

This is a primer to ignore you. You have no argument.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 2:39pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:


This is a primer to ignore you. You have no argument.
Yeah, because the argument has overwhelmed you.

You provided evidence for the maker of a working computer not a god.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by hiddendude: 2:49pm On Apr 07
FatherOfJesus:
Yeah, because the argument has overwhelmed you.

You provided evidence for the maker of a working computer not a god.
A proof that you're unaware of argument by analogy.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 2:52pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:


This is a primer to ignore you. You have no argument.

Lol, but for real, you said even if we finally understand the universe and its existence, that it doesn't rule out a god. Can you tell us what this god is made of, what it looks like, how you were able to come across the knowledge of what this god wants, and how you were able to tell that this god is actually the Christian god and not any of the thousands out there? Don't quote the bible. Just straightforward answers.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 2:58pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:
The religious concept of God is simply an overly anthropomorphized form of whatever caused the universe to exist.
Let's assume that whatever 'created' the universe is god, how can we be sure that this god wasn't birthed by another god from a family of gods, in a community of gods, in a country inhabited by gods in a planet of gods who are also unable to prove that they have a creator just like us?
I mean, why can't the story just go on, why does it have to end at just the creation of the universe? cheesy

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Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 3:04pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:

A proof that you're unaware of argument by analogy.
The analogy doesn’t work in this case because the creator of a computer is known, the processes of making computers are well spelt out and the methods repeatable for everyone to see. This cannot be said about a deity.

The lack of evidence for a God and method to test this claim makes it a faulty equivalence.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 3:06pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:

Let's assume that whatever 'created' the universe is god, how can we be sure that this god wasn't birthed by another god from a family of gods, in a community of gods, in a country inhabited by gods in a planet of gods who are also unable to prove that they have a creator just like us?
I mean, why can't the story just go on, why does it have to end at just the creation of the universe? cheesy
grin grin

E choke
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 3:09pm On Apr 07
FatherOfJesus:
grin grin

E choke

Lol, abi na. grin
God fit get family members, who knows?
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by hiddendude: 3:27pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:


Lol, but for real, you said even if we finally understand the universe and its existence, that it doesn't rule out a god. Can you tell us what this god is made of, what it looks like, how you were able to come across the knowledge of what this god wants, and how you were able to tell that this god is actually the Christian god and not any of the thousands out there? Don't quote the bible. Just straightforward answers.

As I said, that is an entirely different problem that is beyond the scope of this thread.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by hiddendude: 3:28pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:

Let's assume that whatever 'created' the universe is god, how can we be sure that this god wasn't birthed by another god from a family of gods, in a community of gods, in a country inhabited by gods in a planet of gods who are also unable to prove that they have a creator just like us?
I mean, why can't the story just go on, why does it have to end at just the creation of the universe? cheesy
Loaded question fallacy!
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by hiddendude: 3:32pm On Apr 07
FatherOfJesus:
The analogy doesn’t work in this case because the creator of a computer is known, the processes of making computers are well spelt out and the methods repeatable for everyone to see. This cannot be said about a deity.

The lack of evidence for a God and method to test this claim makes it a faulty equivalence.

An argument by analogy has to make use of known facts to prove ideation. There is no false equivalence here. It is simply an analogy. You on the other hand claim that knowing something in its entirety rules out the possibility that it was caused. Ridiculously fallacious!!!
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 3:45pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:


As I said, that is an entirely different problem that is beyond the scope of this thread.

Nawa o...
The other thread you said I didn't have an argument. In this one you're saying it's beyond the scope of this thread. okay.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 3:50pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:


An argument by analogy has to make use of known facts to prove ideation. There is no false equivalence here. It is simply an analogy. You on the other hand claim that knowing something in its entirety rules out the possibility that it was caused. Ridiculously fallacious!!!
False equivalence is simply a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning.

An example of what you did is saying that a knife and dynamite are both tools that can be used as weapons, so they're pretty much the same thing, and therefore if we allow people to buy knives at the store, then we should also allow them to also buy dynamite. Doing this without putting into consideration that a dynamite has been backed with evidence to be very destructive.

Your reasoning is flawed in that you didn’t consider all features of the subjects involved. You cherrypicked that which suites your position.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 3:54pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:

Loaded question fallacy!
he simply helped you to see the “turtled all the way down” effect In your argument, which you couldn’t even identify. grin
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 3:54pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:

Loaded question fallacy!

Are you going to answer it or not?
Your point was that whatever created the universe is god and I'm indirectly asking what if this god has a line of descendants?
Since you already used computers as an analogy that it was created by humans and humans the creation of a god, so I used this god as a creation of another god.
You seem to dismiss questions that makes you uncomfortable. Na you sabi sha.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 4:00pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:


Are you going to answer it or not?
Your point was that whatever created the universe is god and I'm indirectly asking what if this god has a line of descendants?
Since you already used computers as an analogy that it was created by humans and humans the creation of a god, so I used this god as a creation of another god.
You seem to dismiss questions that makes you uncomfortable. Na you sabi sha.
he created a “turtled all the way down” effect and now he’s accusing someone of committing a loaded question fallacy because he couldn’t justify his claim about infinite regress not being a thing.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 4:03pm On Apr 07
FatherOfJesus:
False equivalence is simply a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning.

An example of what you did is saying that a knife and dynamite are both tools that can be used as weapons, so they're pretty much the same thing, and therefore if we allow people to buy knives at the store, then we should also allow them to also buy dynamite. Doing this without putting into consideration that a dynamite has been backed with evidence to be very destructive.

Your reasoning is flawed in that you didn’t consider all features of the subjects involved. You cherrypicked that which suites your position.

Lol, I saw his kind of analogy in a video yesterday. grin
In the video, the person said "we live in a building yet who don't know who built it, but we know that the building was built. Why can't we use that same analogy as the existence of a god?".
I was laughing in my mind. I said, if I want to find out who built the house I rented, Infact, If I want to find out who sold the cement and building materials to the builders, I'd definitely find out.

That guy does not want to acknowledge the fact that his analogy is flawed because we can definitely find out who and who made the computer if we really want to. Yet he's screaming fallacy all over the place.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 4:04pm On Apr 07
FatherOfJesus:
he created a “turtled all the way down” effect and now he’s accusing someone of committing a loaded question fallacy because he couldn’t justify his claim about infinite regress not being a thing.

My guy I just tire...
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 4:08pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:


Lol, I saw his kind of analogy in a video yesterday. grin
In the video, the person said "we live in a building yet who don't know who built it, but we know that the building was built. Why can't we use that same analogy as the existence of a god?".
I was laughing in my mind. I said, if I want to find out who built the house I rented, Infact, If I want to find out who sold the cement and building materials to the builders, I'd definitely find out.

That guy does not want to acknowledge the fact that his analogy is flawed because we can definitely find out who and who made the computer if we really want to. Yet he's screaming fallacy all over the place.
And we can even find out the method employed in setting up the building, we can repeat this method anywhere and arrive at same result.
That cannot be said about a God and the universe.

This guys no go kill me their logic grin
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by Hermes119: 4:10pm On Apr 07
Op I'm an atheist (with respect to the religious description of the term "God" ) but let me assume that you are right,so what next I should become a Christian right ?

Cos I can't understand the point of this sort of threads
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 4:17pm On Apr 07
FatherOfJesus:
And we can even find out the method employed in setting up the building, we can repeat this method anywhere and arrive at same result.
That cannot be said about a God and the universe.

This guys no go kill me their logic grin

That's the problem of using logic to defend the 'supernatural', you'll find yourself special pleading and contradicting what you said.
He said infinite regression is not possible, but yet his god is an infinite regression itself. He said everything has a cause yet he claims his god doesn't have a cause. The guy is neither here nor there. Just contradictions, fallacies and vibes. grin

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Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by Hermes119: 4:25pm On Apr 07
hiddendude:

Loaded question fallacy!
.Jus admit it you can't answer the question.
This is the problem I have with you people,you claim atheists are proud while you are the ones that are proud and dishonest. If you don't know something simply say you don't know it,you don't owe anybody any explanations,its not our job to explain how the universe came into existence,something that people who are naturally smarter than you and have more information than you have dedicated their lives to and still can't provide a satisfactory answer to,nobody would hold you responsible to answer such question.

Your argument is dishonest

How can you claim the universe must have a beginning, do you know exactly how the universe functions,do you know enough about the universe to make such bold statements ?

Now you say the universe was created by God and that God is self existent and then I ask again,do you know enough about this God that created the universe to claim that it must be self existent ?


You are just sitting in the comfort of your house and using philosophy to explain things that the smartest scientists with cutting edge technology and all the latest information are trying to explain and you want us to take us serious
. The universe is not something you just imagine,you have to STUDY it,learn how it functions before you can make any bold statements,we don't even know enough so I don't know how you came to the conclusion hat the universe must have a beginning


See guy if u want to be a Christian be a Christian, religion is faith,don't be using all these outdated and bastardized arguments to score cheap points



Like I said even if we are to accept ur argument then WHAT ?

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Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by Hermes119: 4:35pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:


That's the problem of using logic to defend the 'supernatural', you'll find yourself special pleading and contradicting what you said.
He said infinite regression is not possible, but yet his god is an infinite regression itself. He said everything has a cause yet he claims his god doesn't have a cause. The guy is neither here nor there. Just contradictions, fallacies and vibes. grin
The problem I have with these people is that they don't study the universe at all,they just make bold claims. Its like our ancestors saying that rain falls when God cries and thunder when he farts . There are so many things we still don't know,one has to keep an open mind,but in an effort to convince people that their imagination is real they ignore all the contingencies and variables and simply create their own scenario and insist that everything must fit in,if u ask small question it becomes a fallacy

I just dy laff

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Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by Dtruthspeaker: 4:35pm On Apr 07
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Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by Dtruthspeaker: 4:40pm On Apr 07
Hermes119:
Op I'm an atheist (with respect to the religious description of the term "God" ) but let me assume that you are right,so what next I should become a Christian right ?

Cos I can't understand the point of this sort of threads

grin That Guy is not One of our Guys! grin The Performer and the Performee Set all up!
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by FatherOfJesus: 4:45pm On Apr 07
Dtruthspeaker:
grin I am Glad to Announce the Launching of the Movie Premiere "Double-Play" Produced and Directed by FOJ,

Starring FOJ, Co-Starring FOJ as "The Hiding Man" scratch that, "Hidden Man", oh ooh, Scratch that "Hidden Dude"! grin

SUPPORTED and SPONSORED BY "The Community of Haters of God" and the Satanist Movement! grin

It's Such a beautiful movie to watch no nudity and sex scenes, no fowl language and violence!

The Whole Family will see so much "Fallacies" such that they ought to see that this thread sorry movie, is A "Fallacy" grin

Oh, you are a funny man, grin Someone in the Audience just shouted "Fallacy of the Pretentious Gemini" grin

Another says "Fallacy of the Edie Murphy" grin

Oh, guys stop it, The Name of the Movie is not "Fallacies" but Double Play, so as I wanted to say...

Someone just said "Fallacy of the Fallacious Speaking" grin grin grin

Oh guys, just go out and do not buy the movie for The Fallacious General Warns that this Movie is Dangerously Fallacious to your Soul! grin
grin
cheesy
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by kingxsamz(m): 4:50pm On Apr 07
Hermes119:

The problem I have with these people is that they don't study the universe at all,they just make bold claims. Its like our ancestors saying that rain falls when God cries and thunder when he farts . There are so many things we still don't know,one has to keep an open mind,but in an effort to convince people that their imagination is real they ignore all the contingencies and variables and simply create their own scenario and insist that everything must fit in,if u ask small question it becomes a fallacy

I just dy laff


Exactly!
Imagine the guy saying "even if we figure out the whole universe and how it works, it doesn't rule out a god".
That was it for me.
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:14pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:


Lol, but for real, you said even if we finally understand the universe and its existence, that it doesn't rule out a god. Can you tell us what this god is made of, what it looks like, how you were able to come across the knowledge of what this god wants, and how you were able to tell that this god is actually the Christian god and not any of the thousands out there? Don't quote the bible. Just straightforward answers.

grin Of course you are demanding that he do the Impossible!

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts The parts The Creator has Revealed to the creation" grin

Just as your phone only knows the warmth of your hands and your voice, but it does not and cannot know where you work or live many other things! grin

I know that you hate hearing this Answer, but if you ask it, I am going to tell it, until you can supply a Valid Counter as you usually do to the little ones you are able defeat! grin grin
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:18pm On Apr 07
kingxsamz:


Exactly!
Imagine the guy saying "even if we figure out the whole universe and how it works, it doesn't rule out a god".
That was it for me.

Do you not see that the Op is One Of your Guys, pretending to be a Believer in God? Oh I get it, you do not care!
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by truespeak: 5:18pm On Apr 07
Dtruthspeaker:
grin I am Glad to Announce the Launching of the Movie Premiere "Double-Play" Produced and Directed by FOJ,

Starring FOJ, Co-Starring FOJ as "The Hiding Man" scratch that, "Hidden Man", oh ooh, Scratch that "Hidden Dude"! grin

SUPPORTED and SPONSORED BY "The Community of Haters of God" and the Satanist Movement! grin

It's Such a beautiful movie to watch no nudity and sex scenes, no fowl language and violence!

The Whole Family will see so much "Fallacies" such that they ought to see that this thread sorry movie, is A "Fallacy" grin

Oh, you are a funny man, grin Someone in the Audience just shouted "Fallacy of the Pretentious Gemini" grin

Another says "Fallacy of the Edie Murphy" grin

Oh, guys stop it, The Name of the Movie is not "Fallacies" but Double Play, so as I wanted to say...

Someone just said "Fallacy of the Fallacious Speaking" grin grin grin

Oh guys, just go out and do not buy the movie for The Fallacious General Warns that this Movie is Dangerously Fallacious to your Soul! grin
grin

grin grin grin grin grin

I was just about to ask if this Movie has ended for the only thing I am interested in, is the Credit Roll!

But I see you have done the Honours Already! grin grin grin
Re: My Argument For God's Existence. by truespeak: 5:22pm On Apr 07
Dtruthspeaker:


Do you not see that the Op is One Of your Guys, pretending to be a Believer in God? Oh I get it, you do not care!

I do not think he was aware that he just starred as a "waka pass" in this Movie!

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