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Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:46am On Apr 08
My friend, there are professionals in different fields boasting about what they're able to do for mankind to make life sweeter. But the greatest school of thought is that which makes people cohabit peacefully!
That's what i call intelligence! wink

FatherOfJesus:

So all your evidence for your God comes from your bible? grin

I’m not seeing any proof for God, I’m seeing proofs for evolution, Big Bang, relativity and time dilation.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 10:47am On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
My friend, there are professionals in different fields boasting about what they're able to do for mankind to make life sweeter. But the greatest school of thought is that which makes people cohabit peacefully!
That's what i call intelligence! wink

Why are just firing at all cylinders? I don’t even understand how this correlates with all we have been saying.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:54am On Apr 08
I'm also a professional in my own field.
In my former field we made use of Scientists, Doctors, Nurses, Geographers and many more. But do you know what we were working towards that's been impossible for hundreds of years in the military intelligence?
Well it's to make people surrender weapons and embrace PEACE!
But instead of winning we continue to add insults to injury because we find ourselves killing more.
Until when i discovered the wisdom from the Bible that has helped millions living today not just to surrender but vowed never to raise any weapons against their fellowman forever!

That's when i knew that there is no intelligence anywhere apart from the Bible! smiley


FatherOfJesus:

How can researchers tell
Me lies when I’m a researcher myself grin
You know how many work I have done in the field of biochemistry?
I’m even working on one recently I can share with you. I can give you details and show you what I do everyday.
Learn science from the lab and not the Bible grin
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:03am On Apr 08
The title of your thread asked
"Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers?"

My friend if you can't leave Nigeria with confidence that you will be welcomed by your fellow atheist in any other country rather you're suspicious that he might use you for one of his experiments just to make a name for himself, while i can travel to any country on this planet fully assured that it will be another home once i found a fellow believer in my faith then i don't need to tell you who is truly SMARTER.

Judge for yourself! wink

FatherOfJesus:

Why are just firing at all cylinders? I don’t even understand how this correlates with all we have been saying.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:07am On Apr 08
At least you know what i'm referring to, it's you that's not safe in the presence of a desperate atheist who wants to make a name.
You're just another black monkey that he can use for one of his experiments!
That's how smart atheism has made you! cheesy


FatherOfJesus:

You can’t even learn because I will have to go back to integrated science with what I have seen. You can even spell “organisms” correctly grin

I don’t want to go through that stress grin
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 11:16am On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
I'm also a professional in my own field.
In my former field we made use of Scientists, Doctors, Nurses, Geographers and many more. But do you know what we were working towards that's been impossible for hundreds of years in the military intelligence?
Well it's to make people surrender weapons and embrace PEACE!
But instead of winning we continue to add insults to injury because we find ourselves killing more.
Until when i discovered the wisdom from the Bible that has helped millions living today not just to surrender but vowed never to raise any weapons against their fellowman forever!

That's when i knew that there is no intelligence anywhere apart from the Bible! smiley


Whats your field sir?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by budaatum: 11:19am On Apr 08
FatherOfJesus:
You need an IQ above average for you to understand that the Tower of Babel story didn’t happen.
This is why most religious people failed the IQ test, now intuition is in conflict with logic and you have failed woefully.

A use the brain person would ask what kind of God does, "Come let us go down there and CONFUSE their language so that they won't find it easy to agree on any plan" {Genesis 11:7}?

It sounds far too evil for the doings of an Almighty God, and would be a reason for the so many denominations of disagreeing churches and confused nations today.

We can all see that nations who pull together, US, China, Japan, all of Europe etc, are doing far better than the many nations that "God" confuses! They build towers to Mars while we can't even feed ourselves.

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Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 11:43am On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
At least you know what i'm referring to, it's you that's not safe in the presence of a desperate atheist who wants to make a name.
You're just another black monkey that he can use for one of his experiments!
That's how smart atheism has made you! cheesy


Whats your point?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by kingxsamz(m): 12:02pm On Apr 08
Lol, I don't think so.
Both Theists and Atheists are smart in different areas of life. It's just that theists throw away logic whenever it comes to their religion. But anything that doesn't require them to involve their beliefs, they'll always approach with logic.

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Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MozB: 12:40pm On Apr 08
Ok it's high time i left the thread. It is becoming toxic. But i'd like to let everyone reading know that Op maybe right about the fact that Atheist are smarter or have higher IQ than believers (i really dont want to argue on that because most of my christian brothers have choosen to be delibertaely foolish by refusing to understand somehtings). But another thing i want to let him know that it is a choice we've made. To follow Jesus is a choice. You can say we are following blindly, i will accept it, depending on the pespective you look at it. Not to boast, but i am widely read, i have sound mind and i have not lost my ability to be rational because i am a christian and i dont just digest eveything i find in bible. I am deliberate in sudying God's word to the level of understanding He gives me, and leave the rest, because the secret things belong to God
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One thing most christians and atheist dont understand is that science is very spiritual. The human mind is what distigushes it from other animals and makes it unique. Science will never be able to explain the mechanics of the mind because it is highly spiritual. It goes beyond how we relate it to the human brain. I will stop there
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I believe without a doubt that there was a "Big bang" because in the beginning God said "let there be light" and there was light. Probably never heard of Higgs boson. Finding evidence for the Higgs boson in 2012 is the ATLAS experiment's highest achievement to date. Sometimes it is referred to as the "God particle". The Higgs boson is unique in that physicist believe it to be responsible for giving other particles their mass. This is one of the last missing piece of the theoritical understanding we have of particle physics.
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Science will never be able to explain everything. Never!! Like what the Universe is constantly expanding into, if it does, its just speculations. Why? because the secret things belong to God. If scientist want to be sincere with you, they'll tell you that there are times they simple research and get lost because there are just somethings that are difficult to understand or explain.
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I believe in eternity. I believe that Jesus is coming back again. I urge us all to give Jesus a chance to shape us. We dont need all of the knowledge science presents to us because sometimes it can be destructive.
May God help us all.

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Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:04pm On Apr 08
Good question! smiley

You don't evaluate smartness by fields!
A tailor will outSMART you in clothing and fitness
A shoemaker will outSMART you in leaderworks
A policeman will outSMART you in investigation
A lawyer will outSMART you in constitution
Just to mention few.
But in all these fields only a true believer will tell them the danger in which they are despite being professionals in their own fields just as i can TEACH you how unsafe you are in the midst of fellow atheist you call colleagues in whose eyes you're just a black monkey that can be used anytime for some experiments! smiley


FatherOfJesus:

Whats your point?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 1:20pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
Good question! smiley

You don't evaluate smartness by fields!
A tailor will outSMART you in clothing and fitness
A shoemaker will outSMART you in leaderworks
A policeman will outSMART you in investigation
A lawyer will outSMART you in constitution
Just to mention few.
But in all these fields only a true believer will tell them the danger in which they are despite being professionals in their own fields just as i can TEACH you how unsafe you are in the midst of fellow atheist you call colleagues in whose eyes you're just a black monkey that can be used anytime for some experiments! smiley


But who’s arguing this with you? Me?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 1:26pm On Apr 08
MozB:
Ok it's high time i left the thread. It is becoming toxic. But i'd like to let everyone reading know that Op maybe right about the fact that Atheist are smarter or have higher IQ than believers (i really dont want to argue on that because most of my christian brothers have choosen to be delibertaely foolish by refusing to understand somehtings). But another thing i want to let him know that it is a choice we've made. To follow Jesus is a choice. You can say we are following blindly, i will accept it, depending on the pespective you look at it. Not to boast, but i am widely read, i have sound mind and i have not lost my ability to be rational because i am a christian and i dont just digest eveything i find in bible. I am deliberate in sudying God's word to the level of understanding He gives me, and leave the rest, because the secret things belong to God
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One thing most christians and atheist dont understand is that science is very spiritual. The human mind is what distigushes it from other animals and makes it unique. Science will never be able to explain the mechanics of the mind because it is highly spiritual. It goes beyond how we relate it to the human brain. I will stop there
.
I believe without a doubt that there was a "Big bang" because in the beginning God said "let there be light" and there was light. Probably never heard of Higgs boson. Finding evidence for the Higgs boson in 2012 is the ATLAS experiment's highest achievement to date. Sometimes it is referred to as the "God particle". The Higgs boson is unique in that phsyist believe it to be responsible for giving other particles their mass. This is one of the last missing piece of the theoritical understanding we have of particle physics.
.
Science will never be able to explain everything. Never!! Like what the Universe is constantly expanding into, if it does, its just speculations. Why? because the secret things belong to God. If scientist want to be sincere with you, they'll tell you that there are times they simple research and get lost because there are just somethings that are difficult to understand or explain.
.
I believe in eternity. I believe that Jesus is coming back again. I urge us all to give Jesus a chance to shape us. We dont need all of the knowledge science presents to us because sometimes it can be destructive, if you ask me.
May God help us all.
If you apply logic and reasoning to the Bible, you will disbelieve it from Genesis until revelation .

That’s why logic is forbidden in religious practice, it opens up loopholes, it’s better you believe by faith (ofcourse which creates rooms for infinite uncertainties).

Science is not anti religious, anything that employs sound logic and reason to explain the existence of everything will always hurt religion, whether or not it’s scientific.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by budaatum: 1:35pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
Good question! smiley

You don't evaluate smartness by fields!
A tailor will outSMART you in clothing and fitness
A shoemaker will outSMART you in leaderworks
A policeman will outSMART you in investigation
A lawyer will outSMART you in constitution
Just to mention few.
But in all these fields only a true believer will tell them the danger in which they are despite being professionals in their own fields just as i can TEACH you how unsafe you are in the midst of fellow atheist you call colleagues in whose eyes you're just a black monkey that can be used anytime for some experiments! smiley

Oh please! By your own logic, the only thing a true believer can possibly outsmart one in is truly believing, which is not exactly the most desirable ability since it tends to result in trembling!

Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:45pm On Apr 08
You can only outSMART people of other fields in your own profession but absolute SMARTNESS as in unbeatable intelligence belongs only to true believers! smiley


FatherOfJesus:

But who’s arguing this with you? Me?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:47pm On Apr 08
You are not a believer! smiley

budaatum:

Oh please! By your own logic, the only thing a true believer can possibly outsmart one in is truly believing, which is not exactly the most desirable ability.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 1:47pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
You can only outSMART people of other fields in your own profession but absolute SMARTNESS as in unbeatable intelligence belongs only to true believers! smiley


Who is arguing this with you?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:57pm On Apr 08
So if you're not arguing this fact i guess the answer to you question:

Question~ Are atheists smarter than believers?

Answer~NO!

Thank you! smiley

FatherOfJesus:

Who is arguing this with you?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by budaatum: 2:00pm On Apr 08
FatherOfJesus:
If you apply logic and reasoning to the Bible, you will disbelieve it from Genesis until revelation .

Which, by its design (the contradictions, the apparent illogicalities and things that contradict what you see with your two eyes) is the intention of the Bible. To be disbelieved so that your eyes will open.

Oh, but its at this point that some will post the numerous believe verses at me without realising that Jesus was continuously attacked for disbelieving. I mean, if he had believed the entity who ministered to him on the mountain he'd either have bashed his own head on rocks or been an ordinary carpenter saving wood at best.

"Unless one becomes as a child", he said, which is to abandon all one's preconceived opinions and beliefs - a thing his antagonists found impossible to do - "you will not understand the things of the Kingdom of God that is within you" for which you must ask and knock and seek with all your heart and soul and mind and being, but which both the theist and atheist believers would hardly ever do because they believe they have already found.

Damn, do I love Paul's added conundrum.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


Talk about circle squaring, lol! As difficult (though not impossible, note) as threading camels through needle eyes. Perhaps Christ meant, start growing all over again once you've accepted the Understanding of the Word, which is what Christ is, into you.

Pity we get to go looking all over the place for it however, except within our own Holy Spirit infused selves.

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Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by budaatum: 2:02pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
You are not a believer! smiley

May the Lord God Almighty forbid buda bad things in Jesus' Most Mighty Name Amen.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:04pm On Apr 08
It still doesn't make you one of the true believers! smiley

budaatum:

May the Lord God Almighty forbid buda bad things in Jesus' Most Mighty Name Amen.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 2:07pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
So if you're not arguing this fact i guess the answer to you question:

Question~ Are atheists smarter than believers?

Answer~NO!

Thank you! smiley

Studies shows that atheists do better than theists in IQ tests suggesting that atheist could be smarter.

How does this correlate with all the stuffs you have been posting?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by budaatum: 2:37pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
It still doesn't make you one of the true believers! smiley


Max, you are not blind!

If buda ever becomes a believer of any sort, I will personally take that buda to the bottom of the river and bash buda's head in with a rock. Then I will cut buda into tiny little bits and scatter buda's dead body in the hottest parts of hell! And then I will find the ashes of the dead little bits of burnt in hell buda and scatter them in hell too.

The Almighty Lord God will never make buda a believer in anything. For God requires that buda asks and knocks and seeks with all the heart and soul and mind and strenght and ability and capability and being that the Lord God has bestowed on buda so that buda may understand.

You see, God does not require that buda be a sheep, for it is written, "to those whom much is given is much expected", and buda has been given so much that buda must "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth, and be blessed".
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:41pm On Apr 08
Who and who are those that carried out such research? cheesy
I can tell you so many ways where atheists will enter traps in the hands of his desperate neighbour whereas a true believer will find his way out safely. Do you think life is all about what you carry out in those useless laboratories?

First of all those terms atheists and theists are not acceptable to a true believer those belongs only to your faculty.
Secondly when you talk about believers you err a lot because the word BELEIVE connotes TRUST which means you are supposed to be called a believer as well because you TRUST in the theory of evolution due to some worthless experiments you carry out in your laboratories. The magician TRUST in spirits due to the magical acts he carry out with the help of those spirits.
But when we are talking about true believers, these are people connected to the wisest personality of all times. You may be advanced in your own field than they're but don't think you are wiser than them because they know so many things that you do not know.
All your smartness ends in your laboratories but a true believer will TEACH you how to cohabit peacefully with people you must live with in your neighbourhood outside your worthless laboratories! smiley

FatherOfJesus:

Studies shows that atheists do better than theists in IQ tests suggesting that atheist could be smarter.
How does this correlate with all the stuffs you have been posting?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:43pm On Apr 08
So if you're not a believer then you can't possibly know the dept of the Wisdom given to believers, therefore when a believer is talking about smartness you listen and learn! smiley

budaatum:


Max, you are not blind!

If buda ever becomes a believer of any sort, I will personally take that buda to the bottom of the river and bash buda's head in with a rock. Then I will cut buda into tiny little bits and scatter buda's dead body in the hottest parts of hell! And then I will find the ashes of the dead little bits of burnt in hell buda and scatter them in hell too.

The Almighty Lord God will never make buda a believer in anything. For God requires that buda asks and knocks and seeks with all the heart and soul and mind and strenght and ability and capability and being that the Lord God has bestowed on buda so that buda may understand.

You see, God does not require that buda be a sheep, for it is written, "to those whom much is given is much expected", and buda has been given so much that buda must "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth, and be blessed".
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 2:47pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
Who and who are those that carried out such research? cheesy
I can tell you so many ways where atheists will enter traps in the hands of his desperate neighbour whereas a true believer will find his way out safely. Do you think life is all about what you carry out in those useless laboratories?

First of all those terms atheists and theists are not acceptable to a true believer those belongs only to your faculty.
Secondly when you talk about believers you err a lot because the word BELEIVE connotes TRUST which means you are supposed to be called a believer as well because you TRUST in the theory of evolution due to some worthless experiments you carry out in your laboratories. The magician TRUST in spirits due to the magical acts he carry out with the help of those spirits.
But when we are talking about true believers, these are people connected to the wisest personality of all times. You may be advanced in your own field than they're but don't think you are wiser than them because they know so many things that you do not know.
All your smartness ends in your laboratories but a true believer will TEACH you how to cohabit peacefully with people you must live with in your neighbourhood outside your worthless laboratories! smiley

How did you know atheists carried out all the studies?

The fact that it doesn’t favour your proposition doesn’t make it wrong. You have given credence to the study with the junk biology you spewed earlier on this thread.

They problem with theist is that, they cannot say they don’t know, they find a way to fill the gap with God hence never learn anything new.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by budaatum: 2:56pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
So if you're not a believer then you can't possibly know the dept of the Wisdom given to believers, therefore when a believer is talking about smartness you listen and learn! smiley
buda can't "possibly know the dept of the Wisdom given to believers" who lack understanding and merely believe? And buda should listen and learn from you instead of to the Holy Spirit that the Lord Jesus sent from God to buda?

Should buda bow down and worship you too, Max, I wonder?

MaxInDHouse, the Holy Spirit ministers to you in your own heart enough for you to know the depths of the Wisdom of Understanding given to buda so I need not bother arguing with what you clearly can perceive with your own two eyes even when you cover them and refuse to look.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:09pm On Apr 08
FatherOfJesus:

How did you know atheists carried out all the studies?
That's where you err my friend. You don't know true believers so you would count misinformed Churchgoers as believers simply because they claim they're. cheesy
I've proved to you that true believers have families everywhere we go as long as our members are there. Do you think misinformed Churchgoers can say the same thing? Well they can't because they're not true believers!

The fact that it doesn’t favour your proposition doesn’t make it wrong. You have given credence to the study with the junk biology you spewed earlier on this thread.
Here you're going back to your vomit, sebi you said it's not about fields so what makes you smarter? Biology shey? cheesy

They problem with theist is that, they cannot say they don’t know, they find a way to fill the gap with God hence never learn anything new.
I asked you a simple question, "can you perform some experiment to make a group of people from different races agree to surrender weapons and vow never to raise it again?" So if you can't then know that the one who created the heavens and the earth has given believers the power to eradicate Racism and Politics in our midst. That's what atheism can never achieve no matter how much time, energy and resources you devote to your experiments! wink
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:11pm On Apr 08
Please get going i don't have your time! smiley

budaatum:

buda can't "possibly know the dept of the Wisdom given to believers" who lack understanding and merely believe? And buda should listen and learn from you instead of to the Holy Spirit that the Lord Jesus sent from God to buda?

Should buda bow down and worship you too, Max, I wonder?

MaxInDHouse, the Holy Spirit ministers to you in your own heart enough for you to know the depths of the Wisdom of Understanding given to buda so I need not bother arguing with what you clearly can perceive with your own two eyes even when you cover them and refuse to look.
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by budaatum: 3:15pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:
Please get going i don't have your time! smiley

Now, where have I heard that before?

Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by FatherOfJesus: 3:45pm On Apr 08
MaxInDHouse:

That's where you err my friend. You don't know true believers so you would count misinformed Churchgoers as believers simply because they claim they're. cheesy
I've proved to you that true believers have families everywhere we go as long as our members are there. Do you think misinformed Churchgoers can say the same thing? Well they can't because they're not true believers!


Here you're going back to your vomit, sebi you said it's not about fields so what makes you smarter? Biology shey? cheesy


I asked you a simple question, "can you perform some experiment to make a group of people from different races agree to surrender weapons and vow never to raise it again?" So if you can't then know that the one who created the heavens and the earth has given believers the power to eradicate Racism and Politics in our midst. That's what atheism can never achieve no matter how much time, energy and resources you devote to your experiments! wink
Why should I perform such experiment?

How does that refute the study of atheists generally being smarter then theists?
Re: Are Atheists Smarter Than Believers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:07pm On Apr 08
FatherOfJesus:

Why should I perform such experiment?
Because you are on Nairaland religious section talking about smartness. What every right thinking person expect from religion is solution to social conflicts devastating the human society not some skills that's not compulsory.

How does that refute the study of atheists generally being smarter then theists believers?
Believers deal with people's mindset changing their thoughts from being hazardous to peace makers. While you can only think of a particular skill that's only useful when people get sick! smiley

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