Benwems:

I really don’t know if they use the term house officer but she’s doing her intern or whatever they call there and she’s not been paid.

If you do no know then keep quiet

There is nothing like House officer there.
If she is not being paid find out the SPECIFIC circumstances e.g. is she a SUPERNUMERARY?
That is not the case for interns generally. They ARE PAID and paid VERY WELL


just Google

Average medical intern salary USA

omonnakoda:

If you do no know then keep quiet

There is nothing like House officer there.
If she is not being paid find out the SPECIFIC circumstances e.g. is she a SUPERNUMERARY?
That is not the case for interns generally. They ARE PAID and paid VERY WELL


just Google

Average medical intern salary USA

Go and attend to patients and been sad. Most Nigerian doctors only study medicine as an escape route from poverty or from pressure from their parents. That’s the reason you people hate working. If you want to compare yourself with doctors abroad then go abroad and study medicine if you can. Of course I will find out.

This present administration is a cancer that never should have happened to any nation.

An illiterate at the helm of affairs is a potential danger or time bomb to any nation.


Seems Naja is doomed and there is no redemption in sight

Benwems:

You are the person misinforming people And you the person talking trash. Registrars on night shift are not meant to go to bed. No talking trash. It is because an average Nigerian is gullible that is the reason you doctors and people Brian wash them. Your talking of registrars becoming consultants, they learn from their consultants, as questions, read their books, consultants explain to them the diagnosis and prognosis with time the gather sufficient experience with the number of cases they have seen. Write required exams and if they pass become consultants. I will not argue with you. My father is a medical doctor from Germany. He’s a consultant and a professor. I’m not talking out of ignorance. I have also been to India and seen how their health system is run. Lying that resident doctors are the driving force of the health world wide is a big lie. People go to specialist for consultation not registrars. What happens is that there is usually 1-2 registrars with the consultant Learning from the specialist. It’s only in Nigeria , people consultant registrars because the consultants have refused to come to work. In the consulting room, it’s usually you and the specialist. You can even politely tell the consultant that you want some privacy that you want the registrar to leaving and the registrar will leave. I have done the twice. No big deal. It’s in the theatre that they are most needed to gain one on one experience and knowledge. Stop the lies and propaganda.

Healthcare has beyond all these thinking u expressing...

In advanced countries, nursing practioners see patients and run their clinic independently. Specialist nurses do routine surgical procedures like endoscopy. First contact physiotherapist now handle most non surgical orthopaedic cases.
Gone are days of consultants or even doctors doing everything. Healthcare is now multidisciplinary oriented.

Registrar doctors practically run the hospital. A medical registrar holds the night bleep in hospitals. He's the doctor running the show at night- emergencies, cardiac arrest, acute cases...name it. U have to be good and know your stuff to carry that bleep. Ive met a lot of nigerian medical registrars here in uk. So I dont know where u get that info that nigerian doctors in uk are not good.

Besides, GP is a specialty on its own, and probably the most lucrative. U can easily pull over 150 thousands pounds in a yr if u hardworking. Its also the only specialty in uk where u can have your own practice. Maybe thats why nigerian doctors are rushing into the specialty.

Your narrative is not only spurious but reeks of jealousy. I really don't understand what u have against doctors, but its unnecessary.
In the 21st century, there are other professions more rewarding than doctors. Why not discover yours, rather wasting futile effort trying to bring down another noble profession.

The real shit has happened

Benwems:

Go and attend to patients and been sad. Most Nigerian doctors only study medicine as an escape route from poverty or from pressure from their parents. That’s the reason you people hate working. If you want to compare yourself with doctors abroad then go abroad and study medicine if you can. Of course I will find out.

How is your bitterness relevant here?
Only you your whole family is WHO.

Your father is professor you sister is intern your grandfather is brainsurgeon. Did they become doctors to escape poverty?

You sound really embittered

Avoid bitterleaf soup

dokgen:


The people wey don too chop, wey you dey hate are the ones supporting the fragile health of your country from breaking down in shambles. If you think say e easy, run am go do medicine.



The quality of healthcare will decline steadily, because, nobody will do slave work for free, and the basic job of taking history and bedside assessment will suffer. Laboratory result collection and specimens submission too will suffer massively. Do you know the huge role NYSC doctors, cover, when you discourage them, with no salary, who will fill that vaccuum?


NO worry, when you get diarrhea, and nurse tell you say make you extract your own blood yourself, na when you go understand as e dey go. You should weep for the nigerian populace. There will be massice depopulatio and brain drain. prett soon.

dey deceive yourself there, nurse and doctor plenty well wey dey find job.
no be only una go school

SIRTee15:


Healthcare has beyond all these thinking u expressing...

In advanced countries, nursing practioners see patients and run their clinic independently. Specialist nurses do routine surgical procedures like endoscopy. First contact physiotherapist now handle most non surgical orthopaedic cases.
Gone are days of consultants or even doctors doing everything. Healthcare is now multidisciplinary oriented.

Registrar doctors practically run the hospital. A medical registrar holds the night bleep in hospitals. He's the doctor running the show at night- emergencies, cardiac arrest, acute cases...name it. U have to be good and know your stuff to carry that bleep. Ive met a lot of nigerian medical registrars here in uk. So I dont know where u get that info that nigerian doctors in uk are not good.

Besides, GP is a specialty on its own, and probably the most lucrative. U can easily pull over 150 thousands pounds in a yr if u hardworking. Its also the only specialty in uk where u can have your own practice. Maybe thats why nigerian doctors are rushing into the specialty.

Your narrative is not only spurious but reeks of jealousy. I really don't understand what u have against doctors, but its unnecessary.
In the 21st century, there are other professions more rewarding than doctors. Why not discover yours, rather wasting futile effort trying to bring down another noble profession.

Well said
Though nothing stops qualified practitioers setting up shop in fertility treatment, cosmetic surgery, psychiatry,ophthalmogy,,radiology etc.,

SIRTee15:


Healthcare has beyond all these thinking u expressing...

In advanced countries, nursing practioners see patients and run their clinic independently. Specialist nurses do routine surgical procedures like endoscopy. First contact physiotherapist now handle most non surgical orthopaedic cases.
Gone are days of consultants or even doctors doing everything. Healthcare is now multidisciplinary oriented.

Registrar doctors practically run the hospital. A medical registrar holds the night bleep in hospitals. He's the doctor running the show at night- emergencies, cardiac arrest, acute cases...name it. U have to be good and know your stuff to carry that bleep. Ive met a lot of nigerian medical registrars here in uk. So I dont know where u get that info that nigerian doctors in uk are not good.

Besides, GP is a specialty on its own, and probably the most lucrative. U can easily pull over 150 thousands pounds in a yr if u hardworking. Its also the only specialty in uk where u can have your own practice. Maybe thats why nigerian doctors are rushing into the specialty.

Your narrative is not only spurious but reeks of jealousy. I really don't understand what u have against doctors, but its unnecessary.
In the 21st century, there are other professions more rewarding than doctors. Why not discover yours, rather wasting futile effort trying to bring down another noble profession.

Nursing practitioners are basically in the USA where they run their clinics and diagnose and treat. You seen to be the person jealous here because I clearly stated that Nigerian consultants in the UK studio to medicine (MBBS) in the UK. Find out and get your facts right. Nigerian doctors doing GP in UK are mostly the ones who get employed from Nigeria here through work agencies in the Uk. They are mostly or not always given GP and emergency and they sign contracts too. So get your facts right.

And Hell NO, I’m not jealous of anybody. My dad is a medical doctor and two of my sisters are doctors. One in Nigeria the other in USA. I’m an engineer and I’m in the UK. I love engineering and it was my dream to always be an engineer. I justly speak the truth and state obvious facts.

FunkyAlhaji2015:


Nigerian doctors will never tells Nigerians that in the U.S. that they speak so highly about doctors pay to enter housemanship.

They will also not tell us that Nigeria is one of the few countries that pays house officers.

A doctor on housemanship is at the hospital to learn, why will any sane country pay someone to learn his practice?

Nigerian doctor are so full of deceit

So US doesnt pay for internship??

omonnakoda:
How is your bitterness relevant here?
Only you your whole family is WHO.

Your father is professor you sister is intern your grandfather is brainsurgeon. Did they become doctors to escape poverty?

You sound really embittered

Avoid bitterleaf soup

Kindly respect yourself and guide your tongue. Don’t insult my family. You can stay your mind without been rude. I have heard many older medical doctors say the younger ones are going into medicine because of salary and it’s the obvious fact.

You’re the bitter person here because of background. I can’t be arguing with you.

Brain drain will increase more than ever before.no point staying for a year or 2 or for NYSC before leaving Nigeria

Boys will start preparing for plab and usmle earlier even it means washing dishes abroad.No point staying here and suffering in poverty.so parents will still be sending pocket money to house officer? Or the intern should be doing bussiness?

The cretins who made this policy forgot the colleagues of the young medics in internship who did 4 year courses would have gone far by the time they are doing internships.yet you deprive them of their basic survival allowance

waiting for 2023 before putting fire under these Hawks of leaders is just medicine after death.
each of Buhari appointee understand the policy of the boss and they are on competition of outdoing each other on this satanic agenda.
we need to get out of our comfort zones, forget our different sentiments and unite to take this country back.

it may be medical interns today, resident doctors should be at alert as much as anyother professional. they are COMING for you, yes you! unless you start speaking up now!!!!!!







I rise

BigIyanga:

So US doesnt pay for internship??

Interns are paid everywhere in the world.it is hard work.very intense stuff.Some people ditch medecine after the experience.

FunkyAlhaji2015:


Oga doctors on NYSC are not house officers. You google to understand housemanship is first.

Secondly Nigeria is one of few countries in the world that pays house officers. House officers are doctors in training, they do not perform any role in the hospital without supervision.

In the U.S. students pay to enter housemanship. If doctors are demanding we treat them like it is done in other climes then we must start from somewhere.

The problem here is comparing us 4th year medicine and Nigerias internship which is the 7th or 8th year of medicine.

The systems are different.Nigeria uses the UK system.in the us the clinicals for students corresponds to year 4-7 of medical school in Nigeria

omonnakoda:
You are going into a different subject and I need to understand you fully before I respond because I do not like to talk carelessly
Is your issue about the idea that other professionals e.g Pharmacists or nurses are paid less than resident doctors?

No. The issue is that there's a systemic imbalance in the system and it has not always been so. If a Resident doctor earns more than a full fledge Dentist or Pharmacist, that is just one of the symptoms, the real disease is that the system is unbalanced and doesn't attract talents from other healthcare fields.

When and where did the rain start beating us? Why is this problem so endemic in the healthcare sector only? You need to go down memory lane to understand but it appears you are not familiar with the background to the issue.
Currently, the public health care system is not attracting great talents again and the problem is because of these imbalance that started from the late Prof Olikoye Ransome-Kuti era as minister. I ran into several documents warning the IBB administration then not to transfer the administration of the public health care system to just one professional group but the counsel went unheeded. The system is actually killing itself and the solution is to go back to how it was before Prof Olikoye Ransome-Kuti changed things.Give the administration of public healthcare to a professional chartered group that every health care professional can sit for its exam and get licence to be a chartered healthcare management professional.

As we type here, there are more experienced medical doctors in political offices in and out of hospital than those in core medical duties inside the hospital because of the political offices they corner from ward to LGA to state and Federal Government level. In fact, I know one the FG sent overseas for a highly technical field in cancer and soon as he got back he is now a political office holder attending political meetings and treating files!
We don't have enough doctors yet they are all over the place in political appointment, so who is at the receiving end? The citizens and the country.

FunkyAlhaji2015:


Nigerian doctors will never tells Nigerians that in the U.S. that they speak so highly about doctors pay to enter housemanship.

They will also not tell us that Nigeria is one of the few countries that pays house officers.

A doctor on housemanship is at the hospital to learn, why will any sane country pay someone to learn his practice?

Nigerian doctor are so full of deceit

people like you are full of ignorance.

Grucho1:
seems money was well spent in brooding this ur envy and emptiness.....educated illiterates would be proud of u... continue the good work

This is a thread for professionals and stakeholders in Nigeria's healthcare sector. Use of uncouth words gives you away as lacking the professional temperament for civil and intellectual exchanges. I will just ignore your uncouth remark and move on sir.

Benwems:

You are talking rubbish. Who is a bloody intern? It’s like you think most people here are illiterates. An intern have no business where’s a minor or major surgery. He’s duty to go for messages, bring spirit, bring syringe. Your job is to stay at the bad and look. It’s the duty of the consultant and registrar to do surgery and give health care. An intern’s job is to observe and ask one or two brilliant questions. So an intern does not have significant use. It’s because consultants in Nigeria are paid for doing nothing. That’s why a bloody intern and junior registrar can open his mouth to talk bullshit. I traveled to Germany and saw their health care, it was the consultants taking the lead, registrars basically looks and ask questions (apprentice). But here in Nigeria, consultants are no where to be found, so registrars start playing god and a bloody student intern opens he’s mouth to talk trash because of the corrupt and rotten system in the Nigeria health care in which consultants are paid to seat at home. Rubbish.

You are misinformed sir. Intern doctors are paid both in the US and UK

Whichever way you look at this, it is sad. Especially for the interns that are used to the salary.

BTW: Google Average medical intern salary USA does not support your point, it undermined it.

$54,000.00 is a low pay for any worker in the US not to mention doctors. This is why there are campaigns to work them less, long hours and low pay.

But Nigerians immediately translate US salary to Nigeria. You cannot live a good life in US with 54,000.00.

Back to Nigeria. Obviously the returns on training doctors has diminished since most of them abscond. They prefer towns and cities like other professionals where they can make more money.

It is because of money that Nigerian doctors always compare themselves to US or U.K doctors, never to Scandinavian, Russian or Cuba doctors.

Nigeria had tried to solve some of the problems by training more Community Health Officers in the School of Health Technology because their training is locally specific and they cannot run overseas. But the opposition and discrimination against them is fierce.

Do you know students used to go on strike for quality of subsidized food until it was cancelled?

Our politicians outrageous salary, one of the highest in the world is the pacesetter everyone emulates to justify higher salaries.

omoadeleye:



So they won't practice medicine again because of stoppage of payment for interns and nysc doctors(trainee)?

ask me oooo

sunbreaker:
ask me oooo

well, if someone increased your suffering by 2 more years nkor?

Jackson105:



To hell with your advice and the failed country.

Any health workers that still decide to stay in this hell after all this treatment is a big fool and we have only himself to blame

Ipob we are not moved by your usual misyarnings.


Nigeria can never be a failed country we will get stronger

dokgen:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nimedhealth.com.ng/2021/04/23/breaking-fg-scraps-salary-for-medical-house-officers-and-other-health-interns/%3famp

Those who enjoyed the 'good Nigeria' are those damaging it. I pray only one prayer for Nigeria, "God Let all those who fight the betterment of Nigeria be displaced" Amen.

phineas:


The problem here is comparing us 4th year medicine and Nigerias internship which is the 7th or 8th year of medicine.

The systems are different.Nigeria uses the UK system.in the us the clinicals for students corresponds to year 4-7 of medical school in Nigeria

Housemanship is a mandatory understudying a intern undergoes to become a doctor. It is never obligatory to pay an intern, since it's a training program. Payment of an intern is a prerogative of the hiring hospital.

olatunji390:


U want to compare private hospital 50k to Government 200k +

E no Dey come again na

eby001:

Picture how private school are being run in this country, that is what you get in private hospital.

Ok

na we masses go suffer am las las

dokgen:
Bro bro bro, it was signed by a dentist that has deserted her medical life for politics. ALl senior doctors should strike based on this development

Are dentists not doctors again? You want to start this discrimination again.

Benwems:

Nursing practitioners are basically in the USA where they run their clinics and diagnose and treat. You seen to be the person jealous here because I clearly stated that Nigerian consultants in the UK studio to medicine (MBBS) in the UK. Find out and get your facts right. Nigerian doctors doing GP in UK are mostly the ones who get employed from Nigeria here through work agencies in the Uk. They are mostly or not always given GP and emergency and they sign contracts too. So get your facts right.

And Hell NO, I’m not jealous of anybody. My dad is a medical doctor and two of my sisters are doctors. One in Nigeria the other in USA. I’m an engineer and I’m in the UK. I love engineering and it was my dream to always be an engineer. I justly speak the truth and state obvious facts.

U know nothing about about the healthcare system other than what jealous folks like yourself tell u.
Nursing practitioners exist in uk and I've worked with them.
The largest percentage of black doctors in uk are foreign trained. Black British rarely get to study medicine when compared to Asians and whites...that's a topic for another day.
So u should be grateful nigerian trained doctors are helping to change the negative stereotypes of blacks in the global scene as regards professional career.

Coldie:

Ipob we are not moved by your usual misyarnings.


Nigeria can never be a failed country we will get stronger

Keep being deluded, na u sabi.