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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 3:47pm On May 05
davidnazee:


Are u saying Ogisos are not real but fairytales?

Don't mind that guy.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by gregyboy(m): 4:23pm On May 05
davidnazee:


Are u saying Ogisos are not real but fairytales?


Ogiso are fairy-tales benin mentioned ogiso to the europeans as early as 1600, you can find that in my numerous thread


The binis quote

Ogiso ruled during the time of no sun or mion

This is to tell you ogiso were ancient myth believe by benins to explain heavenly or spiritual phenomena and to give the oba a divine phenomenon


Without further discussion visit my profile i talked on it extensively


Ogiso were fairtales


Ogiso means sky kings-royals, what do you espect

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by gregyboy(m): 4:35pm On May 05
Fezz:


If you can't make reasonable points without dropping unnecessary childish abuses then I'm sorry, you can't hear from me again. I don't have time to waste. I don't know you and you don't know who I'm. No wonder they say Nairaland is no longer home to intellectuals but a den for unstable minds. If you like respond to this post or not, but you will never get a reply from me again. It's a total waste of time. Cheers!

Note: Every tribe has a creation story which is usually a myth. You can't compare that to Oduduwa folklore that was meant to have taken place just few centuries ago


Sorry if i was too vile you started it bro you did the insult first


With no further discussion and conviction drop your pride and ego and visit all my threads including the moniker *Edeyoung*
Profile and go search for the truth behind the Oduduwa myth...


Samuk would help you

I once argued for this very myth i disproved today, from 2016 to 2019 when i enterd nairaland

If you're edo then you deserve to know the truth.....
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 5:41pm On May 05
TAO11:


Lol. Yorubas didn’t give Benin kings any appellation. The Yoruba appellation of the Benin kings were collected by Europeans writing from Benin.


Few questions for you.

1. Which Europeans writing from Benin, collected the Yoruba appellation of the Benin kings, was it the pre-1808 (1440 - 1897) Europeans writings or the post-1897 European (British) writing?

2. Can you cite us the earliest date in Yoruba history that Oduduwa was referred to as an actual human being other than a myth, if you can show us a date earlier than 1800, I will go on self imposed exile from nairaland for 6 months

3. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited the hinterland of Yoruba and they met the Alaafin as the leader of the Yoruba people, can you show us any date earlier than 1826 when the Ooni was referred to as the leader of the Yoruba people.

4. If you can't show us any date earlier than 1826, when was the first time the Ooni assumed the leadership position of all Yoruba, was this based on history or politics.

The point of my questions is to show that Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts is not ealier than 1800s. Yoruba have been making up lies as history since the late 1800s which is completely different from what early Europeans who visited Yoruba land witnessed.

To the dumb**s Julius, how can Benin whose eyewitness historical accounts is more than 400 years older than Yoruba be a subgroup of Yoruba.

Only eyewitness historical accounts will be accepted, no insults as a way to avoid the questions.

Cheers.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by TAO11(f): 6:34pm On May 05
samuk:
Few questions for you.
1. Which Europeans writing from Benin, collected the Yoruba appellation of the Benin kings, was it the pre-1808 (1440 - 1897) Europeans writings or the post-1897 European (British) writing?
The pre-1907 EUrOpEaNs, dullard. cheesy

What is it about the pre-1897 EUrOpEaNs by the way?

Did they display a better attitude to your people?? cheesy

What exactly is it about them?? Talk to me. cheesy

2. Can you cite us the earliest date in Yoruba history that Oduduwa was referred to as an actual human being other than a myth, if you can show us a date earlier than 1800, I will go on self imposed exile from nairaland for 6 months
Can you cite us the earliest date in Benin history that Ewuare-1 (and many others) was referred to as an actual human being other than a myth?

If you can show us a date earlier than 1900, I will go on a self-imposed exile from Nairaland for 2-straight years. cheesy

PS: Your case is more ridiculous than you are making it seem. And this is because your history went on to claim that the Europeans met with Ewuare-1 (and others). Yet there is not one writing to show for his existence, despite the Europeans being lovers of writing.

Also, notice the relatively greater generosity of my requests to you.

3. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited the hinterland of Yoruba and they met the Alaafin as the leader of the Yoruba people, can you show us any date earlier than 1826 when the Ooni was referred to as the leader of the Yoruba people.
(1) The EUrOpEaNs visited Yorubalands in the late 1400s before any EUrOpEaN would ever visit Benin.

(2) At least two EUrOpEaN maps of the West African region from the 1500s describe most of the western portion of today’s Nigeria-region and beyond by the phrase the “Ooni’s Kingdom” (translated).

(3) Eyewitness accounts of Oyo’s imperial domination of the present-day Togo, Ghana and then Dahomey region was published in the 1700s (Archibald Dalzel) and in the 1600s (Willem Bosman).

Despite these, inferiority complex has NO place with us to have given rise to the idea that we are great because EUrOpEaNs noticed us.

I pray that someday you may escape this hard/strong grip of inferiority complex. Amen! cheesy

4. If you can't show us any date earlier than 1826, when was the first time the Ooni assumed the leadership position of all Yoruba.
Debunked!

The point of my questions is to show that Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts is not ealier than 1800s.
Debunked! See above

To the dumb ass Juliusmalema, how can Benin whose eyewitness historical accounts is more than 400 years older than Yoruba be a subgroup of Yoruba.
What!? shocked What kind of reasoning is this? Did Ewuare-2 replace you people’s brains with puff-puff.

EUrOpEaNs visited & documented about Yorubaland before Benin anyways. And how does that relate in anyway to the idea of subgroup blah-blah?

A huge damage has been done to the brain of the ordinary people of Benin.

Urgent Government intervention is needed now than ever.

Only eyewitness historical accounts will be accepted, no insults as a way to avoid the questions.

Cheers.
And WHO made eYeWiTnesS hIsTorIcAl accounts the sole evidence of history? cheesy

Anyways, you fail again as always despite your inane request for eYeWiTnEsS .

Why do you always loose? You always lose because you’re on the side of falsehood.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by TAO11(f): 6:37pm On May 05
davidnazee:
Your argumentative disorder has no cure lol. I told u before you will continue to argue Edo history for a long time..
No it’s like this:-

I will continue to expose your history of falsehood to the world (just as I exposed it to the Igbos).

And I will continue to enjoy doing so for a long time because it is my pass time. I love ❤️ it.

I love ❤️ it when liars are disgraced. Muuuah kiss
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by davidnazee: 7:11pm On May 05
gregyboy:



Ogisi are fairy-tales benin mentioned ogiso to the europeans as early as 1600, you can find that in my numerous thread


They binis quote

Ogiso ruled during the time of no sun or mion

This is to tell you ogiso were ancient myth believe by benins to explain heavenly or spiritual phenomena and to give the oba a divinc phenomenon


Without further discussion visit my profile i talked on it extensively


Ogiso were fairtales


Ogiso means sky kings-royals, what do you espect

So if Eweka was the first Oba, what was the previous rulers called?
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by gregyboy(m): 7:52pm On May 05
davidnazee:


So if Eweka was the first Oba, what was the previous rulers called?

The was never the first ruler title, it has always been oba


The ogiso the benins mentioned to europeans in the 1600Ad were one of their mythical faiy tale stories


The benin tradition doesnt even belive in heaven they believed in the world that existed here on earth, they believed the oba who is a supereme God throne was on earth

They didnt believe in heaven which could have been result of contact with europeans over time for them to be having that thought

I believed with the europeans interaction over time during the ancient period made them to start associating A God to the heavens

Which birthed ogiso narrative

You need to understand the benin traditional belive system to get my point here

The ethnographer who took the history of ogiso narrative by benins could have even influenced the benin people on assumptions of a sky king...like Jesus


Without any further bothering


Just know there was never ogisos who really ruled bini, it is a bini myth you need to read bini ancient text writing by europeans to know this

The bini people started by migrating to their present location and they once lived in fragmented clan and each clan rose to be stronger with leaders protecting their clans, but they were so much dissatisfaction coming from the rulers the various benin clan, and man called eweka rose up from a particular clan and fought wars with the other clans defeated their leaders and formed an autonomous kingdom, after a while some clans wanted to succeed and they were attacked and defeated and there was a need to form a central government were the oba was supreme


Now oba eweka from my research would be the founder of benin kingdom and was the first oba

Ogiso were mythical talks because the benin religion does not believe in heaven they beleive on life at earth that is on land and and sea after death, the European contact was likely what made them consider life on air


Have you seen this bronze casting


The bronze shows my illustrations

The oba holdimg a leopard signifying is contol over the fofest (land) and the oba holding a fish signifying sea

There was nothing show an heavenly beign dominated the oba in heavens


If you really need a discussion buzz me up

Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by gregyboy(m): 7:57pm On May 05
samuk:


Few questions for you.

1. Which Europeans writing from Benin, collected the Yoruba appellation of the Benin kings, was it the pre-1808 (1440 - 1897) Europeans writings or the post-1897 European (British) writing?

2. Can you cite us the earliest date in Yoruba history that Oduduwa was referred to as an actual human being other than a myth, if you can show us a date earlier than 1800, I will go on self imposed exile from nairaland for 6 months

3. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited the hinterland of Yoruba and they met the Alaafin as the leader of the Yoruba people, can you show us any date earlier than 1826 when the Ooni was referred to as the leader of the Yoruba people.

4. If you can't show us any date earlier than 1826, when was the first time the Ooni assumed the leadership position of all Yoruba, was this based on history or politics.

The point of my questions is to show that Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts is not ealier than 1800s. Yoruba have been making up lies as history since the late 1800s which is completely different from what early Europeans who visited Yoruba land witnessed.

To the dumb**s Julius, how can Benin whose eyewitness historical accounts is more than 400 years older than Yoruba be a subgroup of Yoruba.

Only eyewitness historical accounts will be accepted, no insults as a way to avoid the questions.

Cheers.

The truth is ife wss not the origin of Oduduwas narrstivr, it was samuel who invented Oduduwa and not ife


Ife worshiped ifa in peace untill samuel johson formed it in his story book and was later accepted by awolowo and ooni after 1914
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 9:02pm On May 05
gregyboy:


The truth is ife wss not the origin of Oduduwas narrstivr, it was samuel who invented Oduduwa and not ife


Ife worshiped ifa in peace untill samuel johson formed it in his story book and was later accepted by awolowo and ooni after 1914

Any serious historian knows that Yoruba have been making up fairytales as history since Samuel Johnson.

I just gave TAO11 an opportunity to show us Yoruba history that wasn't made up stories since the 1800s, but as expected he/she failed woefully. Benin history have no place being discussed alongside Yoruba fairytales.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by TAO11(f): 9:26pm On May 05
samuk:
Any serious historian knows that Yoruba have been making up fairytales as history since Samuel Johnson.

I just gave TAO11 an opportunity to show us Yoruba history that wasn't made up stories since the 1800s, but as expected he/she failed woefully. Benin history have no place being discussed alongside Yoruba fairytales.
Samuk: Tao I challenge you to answer so&so, and as such teach me so&so.

Me: [Presents detailed schooling and devastating refutation of his illusions — free of charge grin]

Samuk: [With a heavy heart and bitterness]

Greg, let’s pretend she didn’t answer my questions.embarassed

Me: [ cheesy Laughing carelessly at Sam the laughingstock]

Scroll up a bit to see your life. grin

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 6:07am On May 06
TAO11:
Samuk: Tao I challenge you to answer so&so, and as such teach me so&so.

Me: [Presents detailed schooling and devastating refutation of his illusions — free of charge grin]

Samuk: [With a heavy heart and bitterness]

Greg, let’s pretend she didn’t answer my questions.embarassed

Me: [ cheesy Laughing carelessly at Sam the laughingstock]

Scroll up a bit to see your life. grin

I can satisfactorily say at this junction that the job to expose you as fraud is complete.

Benin eyewitness written historical accounts started in the 1400s, whilst the Alaafin of Oyo received his first European visitor in 1826. 1826 was the year the Europeans first step foot into the hinterland of Yoruba and started documenting your history after documenting Benin history for 400 years.

You should consider yourself privilege that any Benin person would even come down from their 400 years high horse to start having chat with you because there is nothing really to debate between Benin and Yoruba.

You have now been told by the Oba of Benin that your almighty mythical Oduduwa was a Benin prince. Let see how a baby will argue history with his/her 400 years old ancestor.

To some mischievous and gullible Igbo around here, be guided. There are numerous communities across Igbo land that traces their roots to Benin, hence the reason we don't get too hard on you guys.

Benin remains the ancestors of southern and part of middle belt Nigeria. Benin history was written since 1400, Yoruba earliest date was 1826.

Benin don't discuss made up fairytales that started in late 1800s but written history dating back to the 1400s.

End of discussion, you can now go and look for your historical mates to play with.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 6:30am On May 06
Fezz:


You are just blabbing without making any sense. You think writing long sermons will cover your emptiness. I asked a simple question and you are giving me long epistles. What is the name of the title given to Oduduwa during his reign?..

It is the yorubas that gave oba N'edo the appellations, stop lying.

Regarding the tribal mark, I have no clue what you are talking about. You are just trying to make a fuse out of nothing. Name the obas that have Yoruba tribal marks and let's see pics if possible, or did you see Yoruba tribal marks on Oba N'edo Ewuare ii face ?

I'm not here to argue. I just make my points and move on. I don't have time for unecessary jargons.

How can oba of Benin have Yoruba tribal marks when Benin is centuries older than any Yoruba kingdom. It should be the other way round. A son can only copy from his ancestors not an ancestor coming from the the grave to copy from his great grandson. Benin is too older than Yoruba to copy anything from them.

Benin empire controlled, ruled and influence most part of southern and middle belt Nigeria for over 500 years and 400 years of it was documented. It came to an end in 1897, baby kingdoms were born and created from it's ashes and remnants. These babies are now trying to turn history on it's head forgetting that Benin history was actually written and can't be changed. It's too late for any fabrications to be taken seriously by serious historians.

Yoruba is a corruption of Yarriba which the Hausas called the Oyo and some people of south western Nigeria in the 1800s. Yoruba like Igbo are relatively young names In the history of this place now called Nigeria.

Benin written history started in the 1400s while Yoruba eyewitness history started in 1826, a 400 years gab. What's there to debate with them in historical terms.

If the Oba of Benin says anything or hold any position, mythical or not, no any Yoruba Oba have the historical authority to contradict him, they all know it. On what historical leg are they going to stand on to challenge the Oba of Benin position.

There is nothing Benin copied from anyone else, it was others that copied from Benin over 500 years influence.

The Yoruba created and have been seriously working on their political history since late 1800s and the annexation of Benin history through Oduduwa is their target, there is nothing wrong if the Oba of Benin a way to beat them to their game. Gregyboy is a young man full of energy and as he grows older he will understand the politics of history and the history of politics and know how to situate and present them without causing offence.

As established as European history there are myths, mythical figures, political histories and actual eyewitness historical accounts, historians always find a way of putting things in their proper perspectives.

Halloween and father Christmas are some of the myths and fairytales of Europe that are still being celebrated across the world. If the Oba of Benin decided to celebrate Oduduwa who he believes was a Benin prince, there is nothing wrong with it.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 6:55am On May 06
samuk:


How can oba of Benin have Yoruba tribal marks when Benin is centuries older than any Yoruba kingdom. It should be the other way round. A son can only copy from his ancestors not an ancestor coming from the the grave to copy from his great grandson. Benin is too older than Yoruba to copy anything from them.

Benin empire controlled, ruled and influence most part of southern and middle belt Nigeria for over 500 years and 400 years of it was documented. It came to an end in 1897, baby kingdoms were born and created from it's ashes and remnants. These babies are now trying to turn history on it's head forgetting that Benin history was actually written and can't be changed. It's too late for any fabrications to be taken seriously by serious historians.

Yoruba is a corruption of Yarriba which the Hausas called the Oyo and some people of south western Nigeria in the 1800s. Yoruba like Igbo are relatively young names In the history of this place now called Nigeria.

Benin written history started in the 1400s while Yoruba eyewitness history started in 1826, a 400 years gab. What's there to debate with them in historical terms.

If the Oba of Benin says anything or hold any position, mythical or not, no any Yoruba Oba have the historical authority to contradict him, they all know it. On what historical leg are they going to stand on to challenge the Oba of Benin position.

There is nothing Benin copied from anyone else, it was others that copied from Benin over 500 years influence.

Hey Samuk, thanks for your contribution. You have said it all. I told them earlier that I don't argue unecessarily. I pass across my message and I move on. You are knowledgeable. Cheers Bro!

They should ask themselves why the terracotta heads or bronze heads of the oba doesn't show these yoruba tribal marks. It's all fallacy. Revisionist at work again. Lol
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 7:02am On May 06
samuk:


I can satisfactorily say at this junction that the job to expose you as fraud is complete.

Benin eyewitness written historical accounts started in the 1400s, whilst the Alaafin of Oyo received his first European visitor in 1826. 1826 was the year the Europeans first step foot into the hinterland of Yoruba and started documenting your history after documenting Benin history for 400 years.

You should consider yourself privilege that any Benin person would even come down from their 400 years high horse to start having chat with you because there is nothing really to debate between Benin and Yoruba.

You have now been told by the Oba of Benin that your almighty mythical Oduduwa was a Benin prince. Let see how a baby will argue history with his/her 400 years old ancestor.

To some mischievous and gullible Igbo around here, be guided. There are numerous communities across Igbo land that traces their roots to Benin, hence the reason we don't get too hard on you guys.

Benin remains the ancestors of southern and part of middle belt Nigeria. Benin history was written since 1400, Yoruba earliest date was 1826.

Benin don't discuss made up fairytales that started in late 1800s but written history dating back to the 1400s.

End of discussion, you can now go and look for your historical mates to play with.

Nice write up Samuk. I hope gregboy is reading this post.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 7:05am On May 06
Fezz:


Hey Samuk, thanks for your contribution. You have said it all. I told them earlier that I don't argue unecessarily. I pass across my message and I move on. You are knowledgeable. Cheers Bro!

They should ask themselves why the terracotta heads or bronze heads of the oba doesn't show these yoruba tribal marks. It's all fallacy. Revisionist at work again. Lol

The Yoruba created and have been seriously working on their political history since late 1800s and the annexation of Benin history through Oduduwa is their target, there is nothing wrong if the Oba of Benin find a way to beat them to their game. Gregyboy is a young man full of energy and as he grows older he will understand the politics of history and the history of politics and know how to situate and present them without causing offence.

As established as European history there are myths, mythical figures, political histories and actual eyewitness historical accounts, historians always find a way of putting things in their proper perspectives.

Halloween and father Christmas are some of the myths and fairytales of Europe that are still being celebrated across the world. If the Oba of Benin decided to celebrate Oduduwa who he believes was a Benin prince, there is nothing wrong with it.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Jagunlabiodua: 7:13am On May 06
samuk:


The Yoruba created and have been seriously working on their political history since late 1800s and the annexation of Benin history through Oduduwa is their target, there is nothing wrong if the Oba of Benin find a way to beat them to their game. Gregyboy is a young man full of energy and as he grows older he will understand the politics of history and the history of politics and know how to situate and present them without causing offence.

As established as European history there are myths, mythical figures, political histories and actual eyewitness historical accounts, historians always find a way of putting things in their proper perspectives.

Halloween and father Christmas are some of the myths and fairytales of Europe that are still being celebrated across the world. If the Oba of Benin decided to celebrate Oduduwa who he believes was a Benin prince, there is nothing wrong with it.

Lol the Benin king story is the story of almost all king in the south, it’s a trick story to consolidate kingship. In Yorubaland more than 10 Obas have similar stories Like Benin, it doesn’t impress Yorubas they know it’s a lie, Fake story

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 7:23am On May 06
gregyboy:


The was never the first ruler title, it has always been oba


The ogiso the benins mentioned to europeans in the 1600Ad were one of their mythical faiy tale stories


The benin tradition doesnt even belive in heaven they believed in the world that existed here on earth, they believed the oba who is a supereme God throne was on earth

They didnt believe in heaven which could have been result of contact with europeans over time for them to be having that thought

I believed with the europeans interaction over time during the ancient period made them to start associating A God to the heavens

Which birthed ogiso narrative

You need to understand the benin traditional belive system to get my point here

The ethnographer who took the history of ogiso narrative by benins could have even influenced the benin people on assumptions of a sky king...like Jesus


Without any further bothering


Just know there was never ogisos who really ruled bini, it is a bini myth you need to read bini ancient text writing by europeans to know this

The bini people started by migrating to their present location and they once lived in fragmented clan and each clan rose to be stronger with leaders protecting their clans, but they were so much dissatisfaction coming from the rulers the various benin clan, and man called eweka rose up from a particular clan and fought wars with the other clans defeated their leaders and formed an autonomous kingdom, after a while some clans wanted to succeed and they were attacked and defeated and there was a need to form a central government were the oba was supreme


Now oba eweka from my research would be the founder of benin kingdom and was the first oba

Ogiso were mythical talks because the benin religion does not believe in heaven they beleive on life at earth that is on land and and sea after death, the European contact was likely what made them consider life on air


Have you seen this bronze casting


The bronze shows my illustrations

The oba holdimg a leopard signifying is contol over the fofest (land) and the oba holding a fish signifying sea

There was nothing show an heavenly beign dominated the oba in heavens


If you really need a discussion buzz me up

I know I said I won't reply you again, but here is a food for thought for you greg. The ogiamen family whom where the administrators of igodomigodo after the reign of the ogisos also claim till today that the ogisos existed. This is an ancient family that has been around even before oranmiyan came to igodomigodo, so who are you to say that the ogisos did not exist. Our four-fathers passed down oral history mentioning each name of the previous ogisos, My grand father told me about the ogisos and his own fathers passed on the history to him aso well. The ogisos are very real and they were not made up by the Europeans. Who do you think introduced the Adah and eben, do you think they just fell from the sky?. It was the second ogiso during the ogiso dynasty that evented them and his name is Ogiso Ere. His name is written in history as the inventor and no one can erase it. This is all I have to say to you. Cheers!
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 7:33am On May 06
TAO11:
The pre-1907 EUrOpEaNs, dullard. cheesy

What is it about the pre-1897 EUrOpEaNs by the way?

Did they display a better attitude to your people?? cheesy

What exactly is it about them?? Talk to me. cheesy

Can you cite us the earliest date in Benin history that Ewuare-1 (and many others) was referred to as an actual human being other than a myth?

If you can show us a date earlier than 1900, I will go on a self-imposed exile from Nairaland for 2-straight years. cheesy

PS: Your case is more ridiculous than you are making it seem. And this is because your history went on to claim that the Europeans met with Ewuare-1 (and others). Yet there is not one writing to show for his existence, despite the Europeans being lovers of writing.

Also, notice the relatively greater generosity of my requests to you.

(1) The EUrOpEaNs visited Yorubalands in the late 1400s before any EUrOpEaN would ever visit Benin.

(2) At least two EUrOpEaN maps of the West African region from the 1500s describe most of the western portion of today’s Nigeria-region and beyond by the phrase the “Ooni’s Kingdom” (translated).

(3) Eyewitness accounts of Oyo’s imperial domination of the present-day Togo, Ghana and then Dahomey region was published in the 1700s (Archibald Dalzel) and in the 1600s (Willem Bosman).

Despite these, inferiority complex has NO place with us to have given rise to the idea that we are great because EUrOpEaNs noticed us.

I pray that someday you may escape this hard/strong grip of inferiority complex. Amen! cheesy

Debunked!

Debunked! See above

What!? shocked What kind of reasoning is this? Did Ewuare-2 replace you people’s brains with puff-puff.

EUrOpEaNs visited & documented about Yorubaland before Benin anyways. And how does that relate in anyway to the idea of subgroup blah-blah?

A huge damage has been done to the brain of the ordinary people of Benin.

Urgent Government intervention is needed now than ever.

And WHO made eYeWiTnesS hIsTorIcAl accounts the sole evidence of history? cheesy

Anyways, you fail again as always despite your inane request for eYeWiTnEsS .

Why do you always loose? You always lose because you’re on the side of falsehood.

Let's see the proof of the earliest account of Europeans visiting your yoruba land in 1400's.. even though the word yoruba didn't exist back then.
Please don't post your fabricated maps as proof because your maps have been debunked in the past. We need well documented proof of past events written by Europeans about Your ancestors in 1400's and not fabricated maps.

You haven't still told me Oduduwas title when he was ruling ile-ife.

You haven't shown me any bronze head of any oba that shows him having a yoruba tribal mark.

I'm waiting. Cheers!
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 7:38am On May 06
samuk:


The Yoruba created and have been seriously working on their political history since late 1800s and the annexation of Benin history through Oduduwa is their target, there is nothing wrong if the Oba of Benin find a way to beat them to their game. Gregyboy is a young man full of energy and as he grows older he will understand the politics of history and the history of politics and know how to situate and present them without causing offence.

As established as European history there are myths, mythical figures, political histories and actual eyewitness historical accounts, historians always find a way of putting things in their proper perspectives.

Halloween and father Christmas are some of the myths and fairytales of Europe that are still being celebrated across the world. If the Oba of Benin decided to celebrate Oduduwa who he believes was a Benin prince, there is nothing wrong with it.

Samuk.. you and I reason alike. You just hit the nail on the head again. I agree with you completely. Please lecture him some more because he derails the thread most times with his assumptions. I have tried but I don't know if he ever listens. I know he's youngot and full of energy and I like that about him. kiss

I have seen Davidnazee try to correct him as well but he's not paying attention to details. Lol
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 7:58am On May 06
Fezz:


Samuk.. you and I reason alike. You just hit the nail on the head again. I agree with you completely. Please lecture him some more because he derails the thread most times with his assumptions. I have tried but I don't know if he ever listens. I know he's youngot and full of energy and I like that about him. kiss

I have seen Davidnazee try to correct him as well but he's not paying attention to details. Lol

Now that the Oba of Benin have told the world that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, you can see how uninterested and deflated TAO11 and her Yoruba people have become on the Oduduwa Benin connection. They are now even calling the story a lie. TAO11 know the Yoruba can't argue history or myths with the Benins, they just don't have the historical authority to do so.

You can see how insulting TAO11 has become because the Oba of Benin have beaten them to their games. This is the point gregyboy should understand, the politics of history. Gregyboy still see history on a straight line, with time, he will develop a bird's eye view, 360 degrees and future views of history.

The Oba of Benin and his chiefs are smart people, Benin people are generally smart people otherwise they couldn't have controlled, ruled and influenced people with larger populations for over 500 years.

Whatever the the narrative on Oduduwa, Benin will always have the upper hand because Yoruba don't and cannot date it earlier than late 1800s, they will always rely on Benin historical dates on Oduduwa story.

If the Yoruba want to argue Oduduwa, historical or myths, they cannot do so earlier than late 1800s without referencing Benin. If they decide to argue against it and say the story is a fabrication, it will take nothing away from Benin already established history. Anyhow it is view, Benin will always be their elder, head or tail Benin wins any historical contest between Benin and Yoruba.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 8:53am On May 06
samuk:


Now that the Oba of Benin have told the world that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, you can see how uninterested and deflated TAO11 and her Yoruba people have become on the Oduduwa Benin connection. They are now even calling the story a lie. TAO11 know the Yoruba can't argue history or myths with the Benins, they just don't have the historical authority to do so.

You can see how insulting TAO11 has become because the Oba of Benin have beaten them to their games. This is the point gregyboy should understand, the politics of history. Gregyboy still see history on a straight line, with time, he will develop a bird's eye view, 360 degrees and future views of history.

The Oba of Benin and his chiefs are smart people, Benin people are generally smart people otherwise they couldn't have controlled, ruled and influenced people with larger populations for over 500 years.

Whatever the the narrative on Oduduwa, Benin will always have the upper hand because Yoruba don't and cannot date it earlier than late 1800s, they will always rely on Benin historical dates on Oduduwa story.

If the Yoruba want to argue Oduduwa, historical or myths, they cannot do so earlier than late 1800s without referencing Benin. If they decide to argue against it and say the story is a fabrication, it will take nothing away from Benin already established history. Anyhow it is view, Benin will always be their elder, head or tail Benin wins any historical contest between Benin and Yoruba.

"The politics of history".. I love this phrase because you just summed everything up in that phrase. The benins have won the politics of history all thanks to Omon' Oba N'Edo Ewuare (2) on his inauguration speech. The Benins won't value the details of that inauguration speech now until 100's of years from now before they see the relevance of that speech. He killed the game by making that bold speech right in front of the Ooni.

I also noticed that Tao has been quite aggressive and unnecessarily abusive in recent times. Your guess is as good as mine as to why she has resulted to such tactics kiss.. she/he is now feeling the pressure of defeat kiss kiss
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 9:14am On May 06
Jagunlabiodua:


Lol the Benin king story is the story of almost all king in the south, it’s a trick story to consolidate kingship. In Yorubaland more than 10 Obas have similar stories Like Benin, it doesn’t impress Yorubas they know it’s a lie, Fake story

What king stories in the south are you referring to. Can you be a bit more specific. I'm sure the stories you are referring to are all connected to Benin Kingdom because we are your elders. Go straight to the point and be more explicit so we understand exactly what you are on about. Cheers!
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 9:49am On May 06
davidnazee:


Your argumentative disorder has no cure lol. I told u before you will continue to argue Edo history for a long time..

Benin history have a way of getting into some people's head and becomes a lifelong obsession, poor TAO11, she has bought a market for life. She is going to be arguing Benin history with no end, constantly looking for where Benin is mentioned, to jump in, it doesn't matter if it concerns her or not.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 10:30am On May 06
IDENNAA:
Whenever I see Yoruba and Bini arguing I amazes me because the two are from the same pack it just happens that Edo broke off and formed a different identity, shikena. The Bini are probably a splinter group who moved East and formed a new identity with aboriginals. This is common sense but I guess common sense can be rare sometimes. Africans are so uncivilized including my own Igbo people.

We fight over senseless things like who invented the Oba title.


It's people like you that gives Igbo bad name, you are the reason people regards Igbo people as people without history hence are unable to understand and comprehend historical narratives.

History is not guess work of maybe Benin was a splitter group from Yoruba as your wishful thinking led you. If you have been paying attention and comprehend the various historical debates here on nairaland, you would have realised that there was no one tribe called Yoruba in Nigeria until recently. What we now have as Yoruba is amalgamation of various former independent warring states into one entity with the Yoruba identity.

When the Europeans visited the Nigeria space in the 1400s, they met on ground various independent groups such as the Benin, Itsekiri, lucumi and later the Egbas and Ijebus amongst others. The more powerful independent state like Benin dominated and ruled over their neighbours.

There were no such tribe called Yoruba that Benin seperated from. The Yoruba of today is recent creation and not all are still comfortable with such identify, you would have heard the Ijebus tracing their roots to Sudan. The Ijebus like the Igbos that sees themselves as Biafra will not waste any time of going their separate ways if the opportunity is given to dismantle this British force marriage called Nigeria.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by fregeneh(m): 10:43am On May 06
temitope27:
so I you know his real name(izoduwa) y not call lyk that and calling him oduduwa

Benin history revisionist are fraudsters. from ekelederan to izoduwa to imadoduwa..etc etc but from all this fraudulent names they can't name their newly inferiority induce invented festival after any of those previous fraudulent names but after Yoruba precious oduduwa,the Benin's are just convetously after the personality of great oduduwa of Yoruba's noting more noting less.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by fregeneh(m): 10:53am On May 06
samuk:


Benin history have a way of getting into some people's head and becomes a lifelong obsession, poor TAO11, she has bought a market for life. She is going to be arguing Benin history with no end, constantly looking for where Benin is mentioned, to jump in, it doesn't matter if it concerns her or not.

That's because tao11 enjoy boosting you cookup lies as past time

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by Fezz: 12:55pm On May 06
fregeneh:


Benin history revisionist are fraudsters. from ekelederan to izoduwa to imadoduwa..etc etc but from all this fraudulent names they can't name their newly inferiority induce invented festival after any of those previous fraudulent names but after Yoruba precious oduduwa,the Benin's are just convetously after the personality of great oduduwa of Yoruba's noting more noting less.

Stop deceiving yourself. What does Oduduwa mean in yoruba? It has no meaning whatsoever unless your fabricators starts adding prefix and suffix to the name before it begins to make any sense in Yoruba language. On the other hand, Oduduwa is a typical Benin name. Izoduwa decided to settle with the name 'Oduduwa" because even though his name was corrupted to Oduduwa, the name still made perfect sense to him because he knew the meaning in Benin dialect. That is why he kept "Oduduwa" as his title name.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by samuk: 1:19pm On May 06
fregeneh:


Benin history revisionist are fraudsters. from ekelederan to izoduwa to imadoduwa..etc etc but from all this fraudulent names they can't name their newly inferiority induce invented festival after any of those previous fraudulent names but after Yoruba precious oduduwa,the Benin's are just convetously after the personality of great oduduwa of Yoruba's noting more noting less.

If you are claiming Oduduwa as great Yoruba personality, could you please tell us what time in history he existed, TAO11 and other Yorubas have been unable to answer this simple question, maybe you can. Mind you your eyewitness written history only began in 1826.

You sound pained that the Oba of Benin is celebrating Oduduwa who he believes was a Benin prince. You all are going to learn new things.
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by fregeneh(m): 1:28pm On May 06
samuk:


If you are claiming Oduduwa as great Yoruba personality, could you please tell us what time in history he existed, TAO11 and other Yorubas have been unable to answer this simple question, maybe you can. Mind you your eyewitness written history only began in 1826.

You sound pained that the Oba of Benin is celebrating Oduduwa who he believes was a Benin prince. You all are going to learn new things.

Maybe you should tell me what time your fabricated ekaladiran existed
Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by temitope27(m): 2:41pm On May 06
fregeneh:


Benin history revisionist are fraudsters. from ekelederan to izoduwa to imadoduwa..etc etc but from all this fraudulent names they can't name their newly inferiority induce invented festival after any of those previous fraudulent names but after Yoruba precious oduduwa,the Benin's are just convetously after the personality of great oduduwa of Yoruba's noting more noting less.
3 gbosa for you, I think you are right, won ko fe gba fun oga won ni, but I won't them to remember that a river that forget it's source will surely dry

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Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by davidnazee: 3:51pm On May 06
samuk:


If the Oba of Benin says anything or hold any position, mythical or not, no any Yoruba Oba have the historical authority to contradict him, they all know it. On what historical leg are they going to stand on to challenge the Oba of Benin position.


This is actually very true..
There was a time the Alaffin was asked about a statement the Oba of Benin said regarding Oduduwa being an Edo prince. The Alaffin's response was, if the Oba of Benin says so then the Oba of Benin is right.

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